No need, state attorney had that in the bag. Fact his father is a retired judge is, of course, entirely coincidental :whistle:Harvrath said:
All anyone is asking for is a thorough investigation, which appears to finally be underway.
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All anyone is asking for is a thorough investigation, which appears to finally be underway.
Nordling
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Agree, if you receive a mortal wound in a vital organ that is not vital for immediate use, you could continue to fight or whatever. But where was Trayvon struck exactly? If he was struck in the heart, there is no way he would have gotten up and wandered around as you suggest. Also, to compare a 17-year old high school student with no record of violence and basically someone who appeared to have a good future with some insane gangster is silly.
For that matter, Baby Face Nelson himself, do we have a technical rundown of where all those torso shots hit? Any heart shots? I bet not. Also, that was a gun battle with some distance between the gun slingers. Do we know the angle that each projectile entered his torso? Too many variables we don't have immediate answers to.
Now Trayvon, if he were indeed on TOP of the shooter, we're talking about basically point blank range, and if the bullet entered his heart, he'd pretty much be out of commission instantly.
At any rate, all these scenarios are just that--they bear little connection to the unknown reality that we can only hope will be eventually revealed. But if I were a gambler, I'd bet on murder by a piece of human waste who was really nothing more than a bully. If I HAD to guess, I'd guess Zimmerman was in a rage...because he had to run to catch up to the innocent kid delivering Skittles and if the kid told him to fuck off, he may simply have gone into a rage and pulled out his piece...and bang! ...after forcing the kid to first beg and cry for help. Perfect victim for a bully.
For that matter, Baby Face Nelson himself, do we have a technical rundown of where all those torso shots hit? Any heart shots? I bet not. Also, that was a gun battle with some distance between the gun slingers. Do we know the angle that each projectile entered his torso? Too many variables we don't have immediate answers to.
Now Trayvon, if he were indeed on TOP of the shooter, we're talking about basically point blank range, and if the bullet entered his heart, he'd pretty much be out of commission instantly.
At any rate, all these scenarios are just that--they bear little connection to the unknown reality that we can only hope will be eventually revealed. But if I were a gambler, I'd bet on murder by a piece of human waste who was really nothing more than a bully. If I HAD to guess, I'd guess Zimmerman was in a rage...because he had to run to catch up to the innocent kid delivering Skittles and if the kid told him to fuck off, he may simply have gone into a rage and pulled out his piece...and bang! ...after forcing the kid to first beg and cry for help. Perfect victim for a bully.
LadyLuna said:
The bounty on Zimmerman is basically a solicitation for kidnapping because there is no warrant or indictment for him. The NBP placed the $10K reward saying "an eye for eye" interpret that however you want.
If you remove the eyewitness accounts, then it's purely going by the word of Zimmerman saying it was self-defense.
All the speculation and opinions in the world doesn't change the fact he's claiming self-defense.
It's the burden of all the investigators and special prosecutors involved to prove otherwise, beyond a reasonable doubt, period. That's the law.
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Not sure what you're trying to say. It's not uncommon for people who commit crimes to claim innocence; in fact I'd guess that represents the most common plea. Certainly it's up to a court to determine guilt or innocence, but here we have a guy who WAS arrested (note the handcuffs) but at the behest of someone "higher up" the arrest was reversed. This does not sound like standard procedure. This is why suspicions are very common in this case. The story is that the State's attorney drove 50 miles in the middle of the night to ensure that the killer was "uncharged" and released. Is this normal? Does this happen often? Does this happen at all?
Not sure what I'm saying? I don't see what's unclear about:
Yes, there's been allegations of a cover-up, a hate crime... but that still does not change the facts of the case. Everybody wants justice and there are several agencies trying to make sure that happens. The legal system may not be perfect, but it's the best we have.
Yes, there's been allegations of a cover-up, a hate crime... but that still does not change the facts of the case. Everybody wants justice and there are several agencies trying to make sure that happens. The legal system may not be perfect, but it's the best we have.
Nordling
V.I.P. AmberLander
Nordling said:
I was addressing LadyLuna's post. You seemed unclear on what I was saying, so I tried to explain it further. Going by the facts of the case and proving beyond a reasonable doubt is how the law works, not by speculation, allegations, opinions, how many rallies held or stores looted. If there is evidence Zimmerman broke the law, the ongoing investigation will find it and he will be charged.
Nordling
V.I.P. AmberLander
First, I'm sure LadyLuna knows full well the basics on how the law works. But the fact that he's claiming to be innocent via "self defense" adds up to nothing--no substance. Why repeat the obvious? Yes, we all HOPE the system gets to the real facts and justice is done.Bocefish said:
Why, though, do you think that the system is magic and WILL get to the truth? Certainly we hope this happens but there are an incredible number of cases where the system fails. Cases in point: people who have spent years and years in prison and have finally been exonerated via DNA evidence. This is justice? This tells us the system is imperfect (I'm not claiming it can be made perfect) and needs continued improvement. The one reason that this case may end up in truth is exactly what you SEEM to be complaining about--that the public--Us--are speculating, discussing and complaining. Were this not to have happened, nearly a MONTH after the killer was released, then the chance for justice would have failed.
Sure, it'd be better if there was a perfect system that always did the right thing and never needed prompting from an angry Public, but that just isn't so.
And yes, I'll concede that the Public often gets it wrong too. Maybe we can call this check and balance.
But no part of our society, be it government, the police, the courts, or even the Public should ever be relied on 100% to expect that the Right Thing be done.
Jupiter551 said:
Sure, lets go with the theory that a retired Magistrate Judge in Virginia whom the State Attorney in Florida doesn't know was somehow able to get his son off the hook despite all this supposed mountainous heaps of evidence convicting his son of manslaughter or a racially motivated murder. And the State Attorney decided to do Robert Zimmerman Sr's bidding because fuck it, its funny as hell, instead of pursuing a sure-thing high-profile case that could make him nationally famous and advance his career.
Nordling said:
Yeah, that's another one of those dumb, antiquated laws that should be stricken from the books.
Nordling
V.I.P. AmberLander
But you answered it in two ways...two ways that conflict. First you say, "it may not be perfect," which we agree on, and which is ample reason for the Public to stick our noses in this. Second you seem to have said that you think "the system will get to the bottom of this" (not a direct quote). So, you didn't answer. How do you believe that the imperfect system will come up with the correct answers? Or am I totally misunderstanding and in some weird trick of miscommunications, we actually agree and both acknowledge that this case may very well end up in INJUSTICE?Bocefish said:
Nordling
V.I.P. AmberLander
Where did I say that? No need to create strawmen here. I'm all in favor of him pleading any way he desires. But with that in mind, I'm also saying that a plea, in and of itself is NOT evidence. It's simply how the court will proceed. If he'd admitted guilt, this whole thing would be simple. But what I AM asking for, is that he be arrested, and let the trial begin. THEN we have a chance at finding the truth.Bocefish said:
Nordling said:
What I said was "If there is evidence Zimmerman broke the law, the ongoing investigation will find it and he will be charged." I felt confident saying that because everything possible is being done in the investigation. Short of having it recorded on camera, I don't know what else can be done to find the truth.
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OMG! That almost settled it! But I'm not satisfied with mere blowing up of artifacts, refocusing, blurring and refocusing. lol I want TRUE enhancement and I've discovered it's all an ad!
Harvrath said:Shaun__ said:Harvrath said:
That mugshot looking photo is a mugshot I think.
Which is from 7 years ago. The media used the mugshot photo because they already consider him guilty.
He is guilty of shooting someone. He is also guilty of incredibly poor judgment, by stalking a young teen who according to Zimmerman's defenders put a big hurt on him while drinking ice tea and eating skittles. His defenders keep post pictures of his head as well like it proves something, besides the fact they are judging Trayvon guilty of something with NO evidence of wrong doing. If Zimmerman did attack him then under Florida law he was allowed to defend himself without fleeing, but the pro-zimmers never want to acknowledge that there is no evidence Trayvon is at fault in this, unless you count the words of the gunman's friends and associates.
Nordling
V.I.P. AmberLander
And could we quit posting that picture of "someone" giving the finger to the camera? The source of that photo is NOT Trayvon's family; it comes from a self-described "hacker" with the handle "Klanklananon." Are you sure you want to use this as your source of information?
As far as Zimmerman's mug shot, we don't know the motives of the media for using it...maybe because it was the only file photo they had at the time? At any rate, the nice new "church" picture of him is now available, so we can quit whining about the stupid mug shot.
As far as Zimmerman's mug shot, we don't know the motives of the media for using it...maybe because it was the only file photo they had at the time? At any rate, the nice new "church" picture of him is now available, so we can quit whining about the stupid mug shot.
Ya, I dunno who the first one giving the finger is. This one is far more accurate and recent.
This image is the photograph the late Trayvon Martin used to represent his Twitter identity in late 2011, under the screen name "T33ZY_TAUGHT_M3." Although the Twitter account was deleted, The Daily Caller retrieved it from the social analytics website PeopleBrowsr. The upper-arm tattoo in the image matches one in a close-up photograph on Martin's MySpace page. (Image: Twitter)
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/secon ... z1qvkhCzTl
This image is the photograph the late Trayvon Martin used to represent his Twitter identity in late 2011, under the screen name "T33ZY_TAUGHT_M3." Although the Twitter account was deleted, The Daily Caller retrieved it from the social analytics website PeopleBrowsr. The upper-arm tattoo in the image matches one in a close-up photograph on Martin's MySpace page. (Image: Twitter)
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/secon ... z1qvkhCzTl
Update #2, Thursday, 5:25 p.m. EDT: The Daily Caller has received a tip that the image above, showing Martin with his middle finger extended, also exists in a different form without the hand in the foreground. It’s likely that the two images were successive photos shot from the same camera at roughly the same time. It’s also remotely possible, but less likely, that Martin himself added the hand before posting the image to his Twitter account in 2011. In any event, the version of the image with the hand is the one that Martin used when his Twitter handle was “T33ZY_TAUGHT_M3.” That image, with the hand, was archived in 2011 both by Twitter and by PeopleBrowsr, the social analytics website whose database was the source for the material described in this article.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/secon ... z1qvqc6Rwx
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/secon ... z1qvqc6Rwx
Nordling
V.I.P. AmberLander
And other than the word of the Daily Caller and Klanklananon, what evidence is there that T33ZY_TAUGHT_M3 was EVER Trayvon Martin's Facebook account? I don't trust either source.
But what if it IS him? And if it is, why are we posting it? Disrespect for the dead just for fun? News Alert! 16-17 year old kids OFTEN flip the bird to impress each other.
And tattoos? What's the issue? Do more than half the cam models on MFC deserve being shot to death?
I just don't get why Zimmerman is becoming so precious? The FACT is, he murdered a 17-year old kid. If he'd taken the advice of the police dispatcher, this whole thing would not have happened.
But what if it IS him? And if it is, why are we posting it? Disrespect for the dead just for fun? News Alert! 16-17 year old kids OFTEN flip the bird to impress each other.
And tattoos? What's the issue? Do more than half the cam models on MFC deserve being shot to death?
I just don't get why Zimmerman is becoming so precious? The FACT is, he murdered a 17-year old kid. If he'd taken the advice of the police dispatcher, this whole thing would not have happened.
I suspect the media used the mugshot of Zimmerman because:
a) drama sells papers and that picture is going to cause more drama
b) they can
c) it shows he has a history of violence
a) drama sells papers and that picture is going to cause more drama
b) they can
c) it shows he has a history of violence
Bocefish said:
I read that, but nowhere in the blurb do they explain how the lighting changed. It is almost as if someone took a hand shooting the bird from one picture and placed it on another. But that would be impossible. Also why do you care if he did shoot the bird at a camera? One of my favorite pictures is a model doing the same thing.
Yeah he's a 17 year old trying to look cool, it's one of those things 17 year olds do.Shaun__ said:
Maybe the Sentinal modified the image to remove the finger so it could be posted in the newspaper, I dunno. The fact is, that's the one he used on his Twitter account. I posted it to correct the error from whoever it was in the underwear flipping people off. It's human nature to try and find out what we don't know in cases like this, at least it is for me. I suspected right from the beginning there had to be something to give the LEOs pause than what the media was saying at the time. I've also said numerous times it was a terrible, totally unnecessary tragedy and commended Trayvon's parents for being so rational amidst all this chaos. I also posted the one with Trayvon showing his gold teeth because it raises questions how an unemployed teenager can afford tattoos and several gold capped teeth. The media only shows, and still does, his 12 year old pic the vast majority of the time, which is quite different from the 6'3" man he grew into. No disrespect is meant, I just want the truth and justice like everyone else. I'm just not falling for the totally one sided media BS.
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