The Public Cam Guy Thread (Male model stuff!)

[AmberCutie]

Amber may I gain access to the model section please?

No.

 

[Lizzy_Beth]

Cool... or just....... and this is why the industry as a whole will die very soon. Watch and see, watch and see

“My free videos have actually increased my sales.”
“That’s why this industry is dying. Clearly no one would buy it if it’s free!”
You’re not very smart, are you?

 

[Lizzy_Beth]

No.

Did he even try to get verified?

 

[KerriBoy]

No.

I was worth a shot.

 

[KerriBoy]

“My free videos have actually increased my sales.”
“That’s why this industry is dying. Clearly no one would buy it if it’s free!”
You’re not very smart, are you?

How does giving away all your videos for free equal more sales? Enlighten me please.

 

[KerriBoy]

I should have stayed in cam retirement. But I pulled a sCam Girl fake retirment plan and came back..... No wonder the OP has vanished.

 

[Lizzy_Beth]

How does giving away all your videos for free equal more sales? Enlighten me please.

There’s this magical little thing called *advertising*.
Also:

I get paid for those vids, I also sell vids and shows, and since adding free videos to pornhub my video sales have substantially increased

He literally told you his sales increased. Sure, antidotal evidence isn’t the most reliable, but it’s obviously worked for him. So asking that same person “why would anyone need to pay for it now?” is incredibly stupid.

 

[Lizzy_Beth]

I should have stayed in cam retirement. But I pulled a sCam Girl fake retirment plan and came back..... No wonder the OP has vanished.

Where have you even cammed, dude? You mention it, but you don’t seem to have any idea what you’re talking about.

 

[KerriBoy]

Where have you even cammed, dude? You mention it, but you don’t seem to have any idea what you’re talking about.

I'm finished arguing, and this isn't even a thread for girl models, it's the male model thread. And now the topic for this thread is ruined once again. By people that just like to argue.

If you give a vid away for free, how do you collect money on that vid? You gave it away for free? Now that person is going to probably post it on some other site. And so on and so on.

Not sure why you are attacking me and calling me names. Did I call you any names or wronged you in anyway?

 

[KerriBoy]

Where have you even cammed, dude? You mention it, but you don’t seem to have any idea what you’re talking about.

Why so you can come in my cam room and troll me?

 

[Lizzy_Beth]

I'm finished arguing, and this isn't even a thread for girl models, it's the male model thread. And now the topic for this thread is ruined once again. By people that just like to argue.

If you give a vid away for free, how do you collect money on that vid? You gave it away for free? Now that person is going to probably post it on some other site. And so on and so on.

Not sure why you are attacking me and calling me names. Did I call you any names or wronged you in anyway?

1. No ones arguing with you. If anything were confused what your deal is. And please, be done. That’d be great.
2. You’re working under the assumption that the videos posted for free are the same ones that are for sale. That is a stupid assumption.
3. I never attacked you. You’re confusing sarcasm for malice. Did you want me to hold your hand and sing you a lullaby? You’re a grown up, act like it.

 

[KerriBoy]

1. No ones arguing with you. If anything were confused what your deal is. And please, be done. That’d be great.
2. You’re working under the assumption that the videos posted for free are the same ones that are for sale. That is a stupid assumption.
3. I never attacked you. You’re confusing sarcasm for malice. Did you want me to hold your hand and sing you a lullaby? You’re a grown up, act like it.

-Please go re-read all the posts that you have written, replying to mine. And tell me how they sound. Read them aloud.

-I know you would not make money off the free ones, and have certain ones for sale also. I'm not that dumb. And I am definitly not stupid. See how you attacked?

-Now this goes back to the new thread I started today. Doesn't sound like sarcasm to me. Read it a loud but in a real angry tone and tell me what you think.

-I don't want to grow up. I'm a ToysRus kid.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

If you give a vid away for free, how do you collect money on that vid? You gave it away for free?

It's a simple concept really. Free videos bring in a wider audience, who can be converted to paying customers. Some people will watch the free videos and decide they want to pay for the non-free ones because they liked the content and want more. It's the same reason people give out samples, or that pilot episodes for TV shows are often uploaded online for free

 

[Lizzy_Beth]

-Please go re-read all the posts that you have written, replying to mine. And tell me how they sound. Read them aloud.

-I know you would not make money off the free ones, and have certain ones for sale also. I'm not that dumb. And I am definitly not stupid. See how you attacked?

-Now this goes back to the new thread I started today. Doesn't sound like sarcasm to me. Read it a loud but in a real angry tone and tell me what you think.

-I don't want to grow up. I'm a ToysRus kid.

You literally admitted you read my posts in an angry tone; that’s your fault. I’m not attacking you, you’re victimizing yourself. Hence why everyone thinks you’re a troll.

if you know theres a difference between the free ones and the ones for sale then why did you say:

How does giving away all your videos for free equal more sales? Enlighten me please.

Why ask questions (in a very rude way, mind you) you already know the answer to, if not to troll?

 

[KerriBoy]

It's a simple concept really. Free videos bring in a wider audience, who can be converted to paying customers. Some people will watch the free videos and decide they want to pay for the non-free ones because they liked the content and want more. It's the same reason people give out samples, or that pilot episodes for TV shows are often uploaded online for free

I understand what you are saying. This industry has been through such a roller coaster shit show. Since the days of grainy pics ot the HD cams of today. I'm just trying to say giving stuff away for free anything. Even promo stuff is hurting the industry. It happens in Hollywood a lot. Look at how many companies have gone under; Then bought up by another. Cause they liked giving stuff away, Yes sales might spike at first. But,

Just saying in the long run it's bad strategy. Just my two sense. I'm only human. We all make mistakes.

What happens to a balloon that gets blown up too much?

 

[Nigerian Prince]

I understand what you are saying. This industry has been through such a roller coaster shit show. Since the days of grainy pics ot the HD cams of today. I'm just trying to say giving stuff away for free anything. Even promo stuff is hurting the industry. It's Hollywood a lot. Look at how many companies have gone under; Then bought up by another.

Just saying in the long run it's bad strategy. Just my two sense. I'm only human. We all make mistakes.

What happens to a balloon that gets blown up too much?

And why do you believe it's hurting the industry?

 

[KerriBoy]

You literally admitted you read my posts in an angry tone; that’s your fault. I’m not attacking you, you’re victimizing yourself. Hence why everyone thinks you’re a troll.

if you know theres a difference between the free ones and the ones for sale then why did you say:

Why ask questions (in a very rude way, mind you) you already know the answer to, if not to troll?

Where does it say I read it in an angry tone? I told you to read it in an angry tone

 

[KerriBoy]

And why do you believe it's hurting the industry?

LIke anything, it becomes to saturated, too much out there. And once there is too much. It dies.

 

[KerriBoy]

I've seen it happen, and then cam models just vanish. without a trace, and No one knows why.....

 

[MarieElise]

I've seen it happen, and then cam models just vanish. without a trace, and No one knows why.....

Well I learned today, that it's because they moved into a tunnel LMAO. Ok I'm out too, but this has been quite entertaining.

 

[KerriBoy]

Back on topic though.... the industry as a whole has seen a huge decline in paying members. Believe it or not.

 

[KerriBoy]

To reiterate some important points in response to the on-topic question of "male sites and what works and what does not", @KerriBoy

There is no one specific magic key to being a successful model. Thus, why there is no How-To Guide - there is no universal guide of "10 Steps to Guaranteed Success as a Cam Model" and if you ever come across anything that even hints at that, I would guarantee it's a scam or just bullshit. That's why I really enjoy the Forum here: we try to address specific issues catered to specific individuals based on their specific difficulties, models from all different sites giving diverse feedback.

As every performer is a unique individual with unique traits and talents, every model has different strengths and weaknesses, personal limits, etc. Different sites accommodate different camming styles, what works for some may not work for others. This is why I encourage models to not limit themselves to the trends they see around them, rather to create the best environment and service possible for one's business-model and customer base. For some, an interactive chatroom and public group atmosphere is integral in building a community - many sites do not offer this in the same degree as others. Some find business-models that cater to Private shows or smaller-scale Group Shows work better for them - there are sites that are designed around that. There are some models that rely almost entirely on content distribution and only use camming and social media as a way to network and expand client base - there are sites for that as well. It's all about what works for you as a model and finding the right site(s) to optimize your business.

OP had the best post on this thread by far. But times are different now too. People are complaining about traffic. And sites not doing their jobs. Maybe the customer base is finally drying up?

 

[AmberCutie]

Back on topic though.... the industry as a whole has seen a huge decline in paying members. Believe it or not.

More and more dudes bored at home, wanking their dicks for free on sites in the guise of being "male cam models".

Sorry the male market is getting worse, though it's never been up to par with the female market.

Dudes will do it for attention.

A few chicks will do it for attention, but majority want (and can get) compensation for it because dudes are much more thirsty for watching girls do it than girls are for watching dudes do it.

Maybe the customer base is finally drying up?

It's growing, just in a different way it used to. If I recall you started doing cam stuff before it was even popular, so you have a different view of how it could be. Camming stuff is getting more and more popular in a mainstream way. So the supply and demand is different.

 

[MarieElise]

Every year since I have started camming, people say that it's going down the tubes as an industry. Yet, every year I make more than I did the year before. I think it must be an anxious/ catastrophic mindset or something. Although I will acknowledge that I know nothing about the male cam world. I have only ever talked to one male cam model, in my life, in any kind of reasonable depth. And from what I have learned from him, being a male cam model sounds like its a completely different (and foreign to me) kettle of fish.

I do kinda wish more male models would share, and chat, because I would like to learn more about the male cam world, from various perspectives. Plus I think you guys would all benefit from each other's support. But that's me saying that from a female's perspective. ETA; And God forbid I tell any man what to do lol.

So anyways, technically, just saying, a model could stream from a tunnel. If they stayed near the entrance, and used the hours when the sun would be shining in.
This whole tunnel thing, has really grabbed my attention.
It's bringing Nietzsche to mind.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

And from what I have learned from him, being a male cam model sounds like its a completely different (and foreign to me) kettle of fish.

It definitely seems foreign to me, things make less sense the more and more I think about it

 

[Primaltime]

There's only a couple of us active on here, but I'd be more than happy to answer anything that has piqued your curiosity. As for Nietzche, don't you threaten me with a good time <.<

 

[Primaltime]

I can tell you one thing: If you are on the male cam side and you are solo, you are ALWAYS going to take a back seat to duo/group male shows. I can compete reasonably well, but I generally try and position myself to avoid the times that are most saturated by multi-male streams. Viewers keep multiple windows open. They click back to the solo guys for variety, but their tips generally go to the groups. This is almost certainly the case for female streamers too, but we are working with an audience pool that is a tiny fraction of that, so the effect is more noticeable.

 

[MarieElise]

Oh Holy fucking shit God damn! Um, I'm derailed.

I now have to leave this thread, or I'm gonna end up in the confessional again.
My abilities to think clear and communicate in any kind of sensible, intellectual fashion, just went TF out the window. God damnit, just when I thought I was getting somewhere.

2 of you..are talking to me... 2 hot male models... about men. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm in over my head. I can't handle this. Fuses blown.

 

[AmberCutie]

I can tell you one thing: If you are on the male cam side and you are solo, you are ALWAYS going to take a back seat to duo/group male shows. I can compete reasonably well, but I generally try and position myself to avoid the times that are most saturated by multi-male streams. Viewers keep multiple windows open. They click back to the solo guys for variety, but their tips generally go to the groups. This is almost certainly the case for female streamers too, but we are working with an audience pool that is a tiny fraction of that, so the effect is more noticeable.

And I do have to say, based on your image in your avatar, you probably have a better physique the 99% of the male “models” that post here on the forum asking about traffic. See you probably have a better time than most of them. Thanks for chiming in.

(I say models in quotes because let’s face it, majority of dudes who come on here saying that their male models are just hobby wiener wankers trying to pretend that they’re actually professional models in the Cam world.)

 

[Nigerian Prince]

I can tell you one thing: If you are on the male cam side and you are solo, you are ALWAYS going to take a back seat to duo/group male shows. I can compete reasonably well, but I generally try and position myself to avoid the times that are most saturated by multi-male streams. Viewers keep multiple windows open. They click back to the solo guys for variety, but their tips generally go to the groups. This is almost certainly the case for female streamers too, but we are working with an audience pool that is a tiny fraction of that, so the effect is more noticeable.

Man, the amount of times someone has told me this week that they couldnt hear me because they had other windows open....