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I might get a ton of pushback on this, but here goes.

Earlier today I was scrolling through Reddit. A post from a subreddit I'm not subscribed to came onto my feed and I happened to look at it. The majority of the posts were deleted, citing a rule that NSFW accounts/creators were not allowed to post or interact whatsoever in that subreddit. I went look at the subreddit's rules, and this rule is to avoid having people post just as a way to advertise their Onlyfans account.

This isn't something uncommon. Many subreddits, even ones that allow NSFW content, don't allow any accounts that have their OF account linked in some way, even through third party sites like linktree, to post on their subreddit.

It's obvious why. Before these rules were implemented, there would be creators who spam subreddits with posts unrelated to the subreddit in a way to advertise themselves.

However, seeing it again this morning got me thinking about a post I made here a few years back, about whether normalizing pornography is a good or bad thing. Here's the link to that post:


I think enough time has passed since that post, and not just that post but the pandemic and rise of Onlyfans to mainstream popularity, to make some objective conclusions as to whether or not the gains outweigh the costs.

Before I get into it, I will say that I do not have an Onlyfans account. I did, at one point, but I quickly realized that I do not like working on subscription sites and prefer posting only on clip sites. With that being said, my opinion may skew a bit from others in the industry who do actively post on OF and have it as their primary income.

Anyway, I truly believe that the mainstream success of Onlyfans has been a detriment to the adult industry as a whole.

The porn industry is under attack like never before.

Sure, the adult industry has been under attack before Onlyfans. The majority of society, even some of those who actively consume pornographic content, have never looked favorably upon the industry and those who work in it. Companies could legally fire current or previous adult workers, citing morality issues. Adult workers faced having their bank accounts shut down or their funds frozen, for simply creating porn online. Social media sites could shadowban adult workers. Payment apps could shut down and withhold your funds if you were an adult worker, even if you never used their sites for your adult work business.

And then there was FOSTA/SESTA. The government's way to further restrict the industry, while citing that the law was to "stop sex trafficking". Something that, after almost six years of having been implemented, this law catastrophically failed to do.

These problems predicated the pandemic and Onlyfans. However, not only have they persisted, but new issues have cropped up in the last few years.

Demands for porn bans are not new. Since online porn came into existence I am sure there has been people who have wanted it banned. It is also not new for conservative politicians to make promises of banning pornography, or even try to pass legislation doing so. But, I think it would be naive to say that these people have not only grown louder, but have even grown in number, as of the last couple years.

And it has become more than simple cries for a porn ban by a handful of constituents or empty promises made by politicians. Multiple states have now implemented laws where users must submit their legal ids as proof of age before being allowed to access porn sites.

But, Marci, surely this isn't a bad thing? It keeps minors from accessing adult content and it can easily be bypassed with a VPN.

If it were to remain at that, then yes, overall I don't think it's the worst thing ever. But, do you think those who passed those laws will want it to end there? Extremist laws are not going to be implemented all at once. If a total porn ban were to be instated with no build up, there would certainly be a large pushback. People like their porn, even if they don't like those who create it. So, the logical way to successfully ban porn, or make it to where it is incredibly hard to access, would be to do it in phases. Thus, the current laws we are seeing.

There is even now, what can only be called, a manifesto, Project 2025. An outline of what some conservatives would like to see happen if a Republican were to win this upcoming U.S. Presidential Election. Part of it outlines how pornography should not only be federally banned, but it should become a crime to even produce it. While surely that seems impossible to actually implement, after all, how do we unanimously decide on what is porn and what isn't, it is still worrying that a lot of people do agree with this sentiment.

Now, a lot of that is speculation and perhaps conspiracy theories. But, it isn't speculation that public opinion towards online porn has grown a lot more extreme and biased in recent years, and that it is more of a political hot topic than it used to be.

And why is that? I am of the opinion it is because of the mainstream popularity of OnlyFans. Because now, the adult industry is now more upfront and center than it has been in the past, when people would usually have to seek out porn sites to see it, rather than have it pop up when you're not even looking for it.

Before OnlyFans, the only widely known, or popular in the mainstream, porn site was PornHub. Certainly PornHub did it's fair share to hurt the industry, but that's a topic for another post. However, with PornHub, you didn't have the influx of people joining the industry to create content for PornHub like we've seen with OnlyFans. Simply because, the money making aspect, or the prospect of it, wasn't there.

When the pandemic hit and most of the world was in lockdown, people were losing their jobs, losing their incomes. There was a huge surge of people joining the adult industry, since a lot of people did not have many other options to make a sustainable income. That's when OnlyFans began it's upward climb to mainstream popularity.

With popular actresses and singers and celebrities joining OnlyFans, the site become a household name unlike any site before it. The prospect of making thousands of dollars overnight was a very alluring prospect for many people who would have otherwise never thought about entering the adult industry.

Fast forward to today. OnlyFans is still as popular than ever with millions of people having created profiles in an attempt to get rich quick. A lot of these people, inexperienced with the industry, advertise their accounts anywhere they believe they can get a subscriber. It's now not uncommon to be browsing a random social media site and see someone posting a suggestive photo with a link to their OnlyFans account. When adult content was something you used to have to purposefully seek out, it is now much more in the face of the public, especially those who may not even be looking for it.

It is my opinion, and perhaps one that won't be shared, that this exact phenomenon has altered the vast public's opinion more negatively towards the adult industry as a whole.

Adult work tourists, people who dabble in posting content but never take it very seriously like those who have made legitimate careers out of being in the industry, do much more harm to the industry than help it. If it wasn't for OnlyFans, I do believe we'd see a lot less sex work tourists.

A sad part about that is, you now have many young people waiting on the day they are old enough to enter the industry, with stars in their eyes and the thought of money on their mind. So, not only are we seeing an influx of people entering the industry, but much younger people as well. Something that has obviously caught the attention of the masses, furthering this notion that the industry is predatory and all around bad, which enhances their negative opinions of the industry.

Anyway, I'm sure there's more to be said, but this has become quite long. I'd like to know what others think.
 
Personally I see more good then harm in onlyfans.
Look the adult industry is called explotation for a reason.
Most actresses who enter porn do not have a long shelf life, once they've appeared on a couple of films/clips, reached the limit of what they're willing to do, they've usually find the work dries up. And by that point, if they've appeared on one of the most popular sites then it's guaranteed they've had footage of them having sex watched by millions of people for free on multiple porn tubes. I don't know how much they make but I bet when u divide it by number of people watching for free that they're making less then a cent per viewer. And ofc pornhub, xvideos, Hamsterx and maybe others r in the top 100 most popular world websites, if they make the front page then it's a given someone they know will find out about it.

With onlyfans and others like it there's a chance that a porn star who wants to still make money in online adult still has a chance to do so after they stopped getting hired.
It means if a woman wants to make money in porn then they can do it there without getting screwed out of money by agency or being treated roughly pressured into more extreme stuff. Yes I'm aware many girl's of r set up by porn agency's but not all. And I bet even if they make little money they're still making more per viewer then they would with the porn sites.
It also means that webcam girls can make bit extra income and I don't think it's taken any income away from their broadcasts.

What I do agree on is that (like with all kinds of showbiz) they see and hear of people making shitloads on onlyfans and assume its easy money, not realising that the mass majority of people with onlyfans/fansly/whatever do not earn enough to just make a living off it and by that point there's a chance pics of her r being sent elsewhere online.
I mean only 1 webcam lady I follow has made enough off her account to focus on that instead of webcamming.
But again we could have the exact same argument about webcaming too (there's a reason why most broadcasters r south american and Eastern europe)

With the UK I don't fear extreme censorship which is funny to think what it was like during the 80s and 90s with regular movies let alone porn. The left and right people have drifted away from each other but not as much as they have in america nor do we have (if u please pardon the term) anything like the bible belt.

While it does feel like ww3 going to happen and/or civil war in america more then any point in my 42 years (but im doubt either will happen) , I don't think pornography will have much cause in making people decide where they stand.
 
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Personally I see more good then harm in onlyfans.
Look the adult industry is called explotation for a reason.
Most actresses who enter porn do not have a long shelf life, once they've appeared on a couple of films/clips, reached the limit of what they're willing to do, they've usually find the work dries up. And by that point, if they've appeared on one of the most popular sites then it's guaranteed they've had footage of them having sex watched by millions of people for free on multiple porn tubes. I don't know how much they make but I bet when u divide it by number of people watching for free that they're making less then a cent per viewer. And ofc pornhub, xvideos, Hamsterx and maybe others r in the top 100 most popular world websites, if they make the front page then it's a given someone they know will find out about it.

With onlyfans and others like it there's a chance that a porn star who wants to still make money in online adult still has a chance to do so after they stopped getting hired.
It means if a woman wants to make money in porn then they can do it there without getting screwed out of money by agency or being treated roughly pressured into more extreme stuff. Yes I'm aware many girl's of r set up by porn agency's but not all. And I bet even if they make little money they're still making more per viewer then they would with the porn sites.
It also means that webcam girls can make bit extra income and I don't think it's taken any income away from their broadcasts.

What I do agree on is that (like with all kinds of showbiz) they see and hear of people making shitloads on onlyfans and assume its easy money, not realising that the mass majority of people with onlyfans/fansly/whatever do not earn enough to just make a living off it and by that point there's a chance pics of her r being sent elsewhere online.
I mean only 1 webcam lady I follow has made enough off her account to focus on that instead of webcamming.
But again we could have the exact same argument about webcaming too (there's a reason why most broadcasters r south american and Eastern europe)

With the UK I don't fear extreme censorship which is funny to think what it was like during the 80s and 90s with regular movies let alone porn. The left and right people have drifted away from each other but not as much as they have in america nor do we have (if u please pardon the term) anything like the bible belt.

While it does feel like ww3 going to happen and/or civil war in america more then any point in my 42 years (but im doubt either will happen) , I don't think pornography will have much cause in making people decide where they stand.

I never argued that OnlyFans wasn't good for the individual. I know a lot of people within the industry have capitalized off of it's success, creating their own success on the site and having it become their primary source of income or having it vastly supplement their already existing income from other adult sites. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But, what's good for the individual isn't necessarily good for the industry as a whole.

I'm personally all for creators being independent and people producing porn independently and outside of studios. I also don't think that there's an issue with subscription sites when it comes to the industry.

It's OnlyFans' popularity in the mainstream and the vast majority of the public's opinions, and subsequent actions, based off that popularity that is the problem and a detriment to the adult industry. Even OnlyFans itself isn't necessarily the problem, although I do believe they've done some not so great stuff over the years, like threaten to remove all adult content then backtracking which I truly believe at this point was a huge, and successful, publicity stunt. It's the phenomenon that has surrounded it.

It's great that people are making money off of it right now. I'm all about other adult workers getting their bag. However, the political and societal backlash against the adult industry because of the site's mainstream popularity, and the actions of the sex work tourists who have jumped on the Onlyfans bandwagon, has the potential to very negatively affect the lives and income of those in the adult/porn industry who have made this their career and have spent many years predating this phenomenon building that career.
 
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The only problem I have with OnlyFans is the ceo uses the profits to fund AIPAC lobby and Israel's genocide of Palestine
 
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He owns both sites.
I have heard this. I am guessing others are aware as well. I just choose not to spend any of my time on either site. I do not think OnlyFans will be the end of the adult entertainment world. Free porn online would have already finished it off it this were so. As long as people are spending money the "industry" will survive, although it might change, and some will need to adapt to the changes to survive.
 
I have heard this. I am guessing others are aware as well. I just choose not to spend any of my time on either site. I do not think OnlyFans will be the end of the adult entertainment world. Free porn online would have already finished it off it this were so. As long as people are spending money the "industry" will survive, although it might change, and some will need to adapt to the changes to survive.
Agreed. I am a willing participant in the game on OF and CB, I've had to change and keep my head on a swivel throughout the years.

Honestly, I think what's actually killing the industry is FOSTA/SESTA. There are so many things one can't do any more that were really easy money but are permanently bannable offenses now because "pearl clutching legislation" has been established. As a creator/broadcaster I should not have to worry about creating content as long as the act itself is legal to do in my own bedroom.

I'm sure it's not helping that there are OF creators in jail for violent, brutal murders and former Disney stars turning to the platform for autonomy over their bodies because they didn't have any for so long while working with Disney. Fingers can be pointed in a lot of directions but I don't think any one thing is solely responsible for how the industry is going or where it is headed.
 
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The only problem I have with OnlyFans is the ceo uses the profits to fund AIPAC lobby and Israel's genocide of Palestine
The only article perpetuating that claim (that's being spread around like a plague) has no proof and a denial straight from him. None of us know if it's actually a thing.
 
Agreed. I am a willing participant in the game on OF and CB, I've had to change and keep my head on a swivel throughout the years.

Honestly, I think what's actually killing the industry is FOSTA/SESTA. There are so many things one can't do any more that were really easy money but are permanently bannable offenses now because "pearl clutching legislation" has been established. As a creator/broadcaster I should not have to worry about creating content as long as the act itself is legal to do in my own bedroom.

I'm sure it's not helping that there are OF creators in jail for violent, brutal murders and former Disney stars turning to the platform for autonomy over their bodies because they didn't have any for so long while working with Disney. Fingers can be pointed in a lot of directions but I don't think any one thing is solely responsible for how the industry is going or where it is headed.
I agree FOSTA and SESTA created a problem but the credit card companies also have been manipulating sites as well. I can understand people wanting to protect children but as usual it is people not accepting the responsibility of being parents and "blaming" others for their lack of responsibility. I have 3 sons and I made sure to set limits on time they were allowed online and had every parental control used I could to keep them "isolated" while online. None got cell phones until they were 13 years old and even then I would go thru their phones anytime I wanted because I was the only one that knew that passwords for their phones. If they locked the phone they had to bring it to me to open it for them again.

I think some of the sites have gone "above and beyond" what is necessary in ban-able offenses because they are trying to get ahead of the calls for tighter restrictions.

Instead of going after traffickers around the world and in the US they chose to target "sex work" in general because that is one of the ways the christian right in this country(what I call the American Taliban) was placated by the government. I am guessing it has had little to no effect on human/sex trafficking in the US and around the world.

There are bad actors in any "industry" so a few shouldn't be able to ruin it for the majority. Even the government has it's share of them and nothing seems to slow them down as newer and bigger scandals and crimes are brought to light every year.
 
The only article perpetuating that claim (that's being spread around like a plague) has no proof and a denial straight from him. None of us know if it's actually a thing.
They have receipts. They have the copy of the wire transfer of funds
 
They have receipts. They have the copy of the wire transfer of funds
Have they posted them? I must have missed that part.
 
Have they posted them? I must have missed that part.
"The owner of Only Fans allegedly donated $11 million to AIPAC (pro-Israel lobby). He denied donating. When confronted with internal documents showing the wire transfer he stopped responding"
 
"The owner of Only Fans allegedly donated $11 million to AIPAC (pro-Israel lobby). He denied donating. When confronted with internal documents showing the wire transfer he stopped responding"
Sounds legit.
 
He was listed as "anonymous" but his wife's name appeared next to his ... maybe his wife has a side dude?? lol
Could be that there is more than one person out there with the same name.
 
"The owner of Only Fans allegedly donated $11 million to AIPAC (pro-Israel lobby). He denied donating. When confronted with internal documents showing the wire transfer he stopped responding"
Hobby Lobby donates/lobbies for Christian Conservatives and anti-women policies. Chick-fil-a donates to homosexual reform camps. Jimmy John's profits go to exotic animal hunting excursions for its former owner. Every purchase from Amazon supports a man who doesn't believe in wealth division. Wendy's was the first company to promote a free item if you left your house to get their food during lockdowns with Covid.

Israel was blindsided and attacked by a known enemy who resides in Palestine. Are people just supposed to sit back and let that happen?
 
Hobby Lobby donates/lobbies for Christian Conservatives and anti-women policies. Chick-fil-a donates to homosexual reform camps. Jimmy John's profits go to exotic animal hunting excursions for its former owner. Every purchase from Amazon supports a man who doesn't believe in wealth division. Wendy's was the first company to promote a free item if you left your house to get their food during lockdowns with Covid.

Israel was blindsided and attacked by a known enemy who resides in Palestine. Are people just supposed to sit back and let that happen?
Most people do not know how involved in lobbying most major companies are.

I look at the Israel Palestine situation as not beginning on Oct. 7. The whole 75 year occupation needs to be considered when talking about this. I do not agree to violence of any kind as a solution to any issue.
I became more aware of this situation when the American Rachel Corrie was crushed by a bulldozer in Gaza a few years back and have read and listened to the Zionists, The Jewish people(not Israeli) and the Palestinians. I think the Jewish people after WWII were thrown into this situation under false pretenses by the British and US in 1948. It began as an illegal occupation and a colonial settler project and has now evolved to the point of genocide, both sides fearing the other wants complete extermination of the other and Israel(pushed by right wing extremists) having been backed and armed by the US and UK are now in the process of attempting to complete that.

Both sides have been given ample reasons to hate the other and has been compounded by propaganda and I do not know how or if there is any way of derailing that hate felt by both sides in this. I do feel that extermination of either side is definitely not the answer.
 
Most people do not know how involved in lobbying most major companies are.

I look at the Israel Palestine situation as not beginning on Oct. 7. The whole 75 year occupation needs to be considered when talking about this. I do not agree to violence of any kind as a solution to any issue.
I became more aware of this situation when the American Rachel Corrie was crushed by a bulldozer in Gaza a few years back and have read and listened to the Zionists, The Jewish people(not Israeli) and the Palestinians. I think the Jewish people after WWII were thrown into this situation under false pretenses by the British and US in 1948. It began as an illegal occupation and a colonial settler project and has now evolved to the point of genocide, both sides fearing the other wants complete extermination of the other and Israel(pushed by right wing extremists) having been backed and armed by the US and UK are now in the process of attempting to complete that.

Both sides have been given ample reasons to hate the other and has been compounded by propaganda and I do not know how or if there is any way of derailing that hate felt by both sides in this. I do feel that extermination of either side is definitely not the answer.
People have been persecuting Jews since the dawn of the definition of a Jew. I don't condone it, I don't think the US should be involved in any other country's dispute. That said, there are people a lot smarter than you and I who are involved in this and I come from a military family and know current military who are active duty and it's not anywhere near what the US media is selling.
 
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the credit card companies also have been manipulating sites as well.

Pornhub and their malpractices played a huge part in this. Pornhub blatantly ignored, and even facilitated, rape porn, revenge porn and CP, and allowed predators to monetize their crimes.

It wasn't until an explosive piece in the NYT was published exposing all this that PornHub was like... "Hmmm, maybe we should do something about that". And even then, I don't think they would have actually implemented any change on their site if it wasn't for the payment processors essentially saying, fuck you, since they didn't want to be seen as culpable in that situation. And since then, we've seen these super strict restrictions put in place by the payment processors. I've personally had to alter certain content of mine that I had been doing for years because of these restrictions, even though I'm a consenting adult making niche porn from the comfort of my own home and not harming anyone in the process. It's super frustrating.

I can understand people wanting to protect children but as usual it is people not accepting the responsibility of being parents and "blaming" others for their lack of responsibility.

THIS. Another thing that is super frustrating is when people use the "BUT THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!" argument when it comes to banning or restricting porn. It's an easy excuse to use, because if you argue against it you're seen as a monster. But really, I think the real reason why people feel so strongly about banning porn is because of their own personal discomfort, insecurities, or religious/moral hang ups around sex. If it was really about protecting children, they would be implementing other laws that would make this world a safer place, working on bettering public education systems, etc and leave something like internet usage and monitoring that to the parents, instead of restricting something that really only affects consenting adults.

Instead of going after traffickers around the world and in the US they chose to target "sex work" in general because that is one of the ways the christian right in this country(what I call the American Taliban) was placated by the government. I am guessing it has had little to no effect on human/sex trafficking in the US and around the world.

FOSTA/SESTA's intended effect was to "stop sex trafficking". It passed the House and Senate with bipartisan approval. Six years later and literally everyone can agree it was a monumental failure on that front. It did not stop, or even really slow down, trafficking. It did not lead to more arrests. It did not help trafficking victims.

Anti-sex trafficking legislation is more about increasing surveillance, restricting legal activities that they don't want to outright ban and hurting sex workers than it is about actually stopping trafficking and helping real victims. I know I probably sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist whenever I talk about this, but I don't think it's a coincidence how soon after FOSTA/SESTA became law, there was an outcry to repeal section 230 by the same "muh first amendment, fr3EdOm oF spEecH!!!" supposed proponents. Like I said in my OP, extremist laws aren't going to be implemented all at once. It's done in stages. Who better to test out a law restricting speech on the internet than a group of marginalized people who the vast majority of society doesn't care about?
 
I've personally had to alter certain content of mine that I had been doing for years because of these restrictions, even though I'm a consenting adult making niche porn from the comfort of my own home and not harming anyone in the process. It's super frustrating.
I am guessing it is not that fact you do not harm anyone while making your content, they will then cry about minors being able to possibly view the content. It's a double edged sword for them to wield.


Anti-sex trafficking legislation is more about increasing surveillance, restricting legal activities that they don't want to outright ban and hurting sex workers than it is about actually stopping trafficking and helping real victims. I know I probably sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist whenever I talk about this, but I don't think it's a coincidence how soon after FOSTA/SESTA became law, there was an outcry to repeal section 230 by the same "muh first amendment, fr3EdOm oF spEecH!!!" supposed proponents. Like I said in my OP, extremist laws aren't going to be implemented all at once. It's done in stages. Who better to test out a law restricting speech on the internet than a group of marginalized people who the vast majority of society doesn't care about?
Being a fan of Frank Zappa and having heard him warn in the 80's of the Christofacist right becoming "America" and paying attention thru the years, it seems we are about to feel the boot on our faces very soon.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command

Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ”

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.”
― George Orwell,
 
Republicans are anti-sex positivity to the hilt. Because they need it to be super nasty and repent to their Sky Fairy every Sunday and then go treat their fellow man like absolute garbage because it only matters if you're in utero, everything else is your responsibility. It's kind of a stunning logic considering every single fucking one of them was born into money and don't know what it feels like to not be white, over 18 and unregistered to vote.

HOWEVER

They all want to be a fucking dictator not realizing that sitting at the top of the pile causes people to want to kill you thusly. This is America. VOTE. Blue all the way down. I'm not usually that person but I feel like this is more important than ever. Yeah yeah generations before said the same...but Rome fell in just as many years...
 
Republicans are anti-sex positivity to the hilt. Because they need it to be super nasty and repent to their Sky Fairy every Sunday and then go treat their fellow man like absolute garbage because it only matters if you're in utero, everything else is your responsibility. It's kind of a stunning logic considering every single fucking one of them was born into money and don't know what it feels like to not be white, over 18 and unregistered to vote.

HOWEVER

They all want to be a fucking dictator not realizing that sitting at the top of the pile causes people to want to kill you thusly. This is America. VOTE. Blue all the way down. I'm not usually that person but I feel like this is more important than ever. Yeah yeah generations before said the same...but Rome fell in just as many years...
They do not repent on Sunday, they are given absolution. What you did is done now and you are no longer responsible because the priest or preacher says so. The people that control things are the elite and wealthy. There are plenty of poor white people that are Republicans as well simply because they are church goers.

The last president that actually gave a fuck they shot. Ever since then military industrial complex has run the show no matter who sits on the throne so to speak.

Red or Blue is doesn't matter to me and you. They use this bullshit appearance of a choice to keep us divided so they can continue with "the plan" year in and year out. The appearance we have a choice. When the reality is it is a choice between 2 evils and of little to no benefit to the over all population or to the will of the majority of people on any given issue that arises.
 
They do not repent on Sunday, they are given absolution. What you did is done now and you are no longer responsible because the priest or preacher says so. The people that control things are the elite and wealthy. There are plenty of poor white people that are Republicans as well simply because they are church goers.

The last president that actually gave a fuck they shot. Ever since then military industrial complex has run the show no matter who sits on the throne so to speak.

Red or Blue is doesn't matter to me and you. They use this bullshit appearance of a choice to keep us divided so they can continue with "the plan" year in and year out. The appearance we have a choice. When the reality is it is a choice between 2 evils and of little to no benefit to the over all population or to the will of the majority of people on any given issue that arises.
I may be so bold to tell you that you are fucking nut case and part of the problem.
 
I really wish this hadn’t veered into an Israel / Palestine issue..

I personally have huge feelings about that, and I suspect that the donation is legit… but there has been no evidence publically shared. So that’s my speculation nothing more. but I think the discussion about normalizing porn and the impact of OF is bigger than just that issue, and I dunno. Two different topics IMO.

I have thoughts on the original post I’m going to share when I have time!
 
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