Someone wants to be my sugar daddy?

[BobbyB]

OK I've had a couple of these and I'm always skeptical but I'm pretty new so wanted to hear other girls thoughts as I imagine a lot of us have had it.

The most recent one a guy wants to me my 'sugar daddy' and give me £500 a week. Amazing if it were genuine but as they say if it sounds too good to be true it usually is. He refuses to pay by tokens as doesn't want to give mfc £250 a week. He tells me he can get the ball rolling straight away if I give him my sort code and account number. I would also have to give him my real name I guess.

I mean say it is a scam what can this guy do with these details, I mean what is the motive here??

Xx

With bank account and sort code the guy can figure out your bank and possibly the branch, if you give him also your name he will have a good idea where you live and with spending some time on Google he will likely find out a lot about you.
Worst case you have a stalker outside your door......

Tell the guy trust needs to be established and he has to make the first 4 payments via the camsite you work on in tokens, if that goes well you can progress, if he has any issues with this he has likely not a pot to piss in.....

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

2. It's been said that every girl wants a sugar daddy until daddy wants some of that sugar...or maybe that's just my experience.

well, sure. 'cause then it's not a sugar daddy, it's just a john, and she's not a sugar baby she's just a prostitute.

have you known many cammers to be interested in prostitution?

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

With bank account and sort code the guy can figure out your bank and possibly the branch,

that's true.
if I give you mine, you'll find a bank branch about 4 hours south of me
with that in mind, and an accountant having told me it's good to have accounts with as many banks as possible for future business dealings, I'd now considering opening a no-fees account any time I find myself on the other side of the country

Tell the guy trust needs to be established and he has to make the first 4 payments via the camsite you work on in tokens, if that goes well you can progress, if he has any issues with this he has likely not a pot to piss in.....

yeh. I like the idea of 'tip first to prove you're not just wasting my time', but I still don't know the nicest way to say it.

 

[Phoenix4987]

well, sure. 'cause then it's not a sugar daddy, it's just a john, and she's not a sugar baby she's just a prostitute.

have you known many cammers to be interested in prostitution?

Depends on the terms and conditions of the relationship. Some sugar daddies aren't interested in sugar, but I would think most are. So this is something that gets sorted out. It's different than being an escort who openly offers services in exchange. If a sugar baby isn't really feeling that the daddy has enough game (or $) then she won't give up the sugar. It's not much different than actual dating, but more cut to the chase. Whereas, when I think of escorts, who advertise a service and get paid for that service specifically.

Prostitution is more of a term, in my mind anyway, when I think of street walkers. How many cammers have date raffles or behind the scene agreements where extra stuff happens? That part is left in secrecy and you will never know

 

[Phoenix4987]

And since someone else opened up pandora's box on sugaring. What's a respectful way for this kind of thing to happen? A guy shows up, rents a limo, dressed like a gentleman, takes you out to a nice restaurant. Is a nice piece of jewelry like a gift preferred to make his intentions known? Does he leave a $1k bill in a card and give it to you, not the entire allowance he came with but enough to get the ball rolling? Is a few days vacation as good as a tip? Babies hate being treated like escorts so this is sort of a line I'm trying to tip toe around.

 

[BobbyB]

Depends on the terms and conditions of the relationship. Some sugar daddies aren't interested in sugar, but I would think most are. So this is something that gets sorted out. It's different than being an escort who openly offers services in exchange. If a sugar baby isn't really feeling that the daddy has enough game (or $) then she won't give up the sugar. It's not much different than actual dating, but more cut to the chase. Whereas, when I think of escorts, who advertise a service and get paid for that service specifically.

Prostitution is more of a term, in my mind anyway, when I think of street walkers. How many cammers have date raffles or behind the scene agreements where extra stuff happens? That part is left in secrecy and you will never know

In my view an escort you pay by the hour or for a certain job, as a sugar daddy you pay the girl a monthly flatrate for whatever floats your boat...

 

[SaffronBurke]

And since someone else opened up pandora's box on sugaring. What's a respectful way for this kind of thing to happen? A guy shows up, rents a limo, dressed like a gentleman, takes you out to a nice restaurant. Is a nice piece of jewelry like a gift preferred to make his intentions known? Does he leave a $1k bill in a card and give it to you, not the entire allowance he came with but enough to get the ball rolling? Is a few days vacation as good as a tip? Babies hate being treated like escorts so this is sort of a line I'm trying to tip toe around.

It varies from arrangement to arrangement, but what I've gathered is that it's best for both parties to be frank about what they're wanting to get out of it - how many overnight visits per month, how much $, etc. Many babies I follow on tumblr prefer a balance of cash, gifts, and trips. While nice jewelry and exotic vacations are nice (and appreciated), you can't pay rent or buy food with them. Some sugar babies also like to have daddies they can learn from - guys with financial know-how who can teach them how to invest properly or work the stock market, so that they can make their money work for them.

 

[Phoenix4987]

Thanks for that Ms. Saffron From what I understand a typical allowance is between 1,000 - 3,000 a month as well? In my specific case, both parties aren't really at that stage yet to begin the talks of any arrangements and I don't think things will ever be said black and white. Which is further compounded by the international-ness of it all, along with me going to school, so my availability is a bit limited. The $ isn't the issue, but rather the current state of a relationship, it's in a bit of a rebuilding phase. Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread and make it all about me. I'll make my own thread sometime when things get to that point. Thanks again.

 

[mynameisbob84]

hello
I pay cash - which services do u deliver

For $200 a minute I'll tickle your balls and blow in your ear .

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

Prostitution is more of a term, in my mind anyway, when I think of street walkers. How many cammers have date raffles or behind the scene agreements where extra stuff happens? That part is left in secrecy and you will never know

well, in my mind the term doesn't mean that, but maybe we have a different vocabulary since it's legal in my country and therefore not all prostitutes are street walkers. Though I'm sure even where you live they still advertise in the newspaper instead of just working on the streets.

I don't know how many cammers do that, I would guess that 100% of the prostitutes who also cam do it though

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

yeh. I like the idea of 'tip first to prove you're not just wasting my time', but I still don't know the nicest way to say it.

did it that way today and it still worked out ok he tipped, then claimed he was willing to pay $3000 to spend the week with me ... and said 'your loss' when I gave a soft no/not-immediate-yes. my loss? even if it looks like it's made of silver, I'm happy to dodge a bullet, thanks.

 

[Dan Epstein]

OK I've had a couple of these and I'm always skeptical but I'm pretty new so wanted to hear other girls thoughts as I imagine a lot of us have had it.

The most recent one a guy wants to me my 'sugar daddy' and give me £500 a week. Amazing if it were genuine but as they say if it sounds too good to be true it usually is. He refuses to pay by tokens as doesn't want to give mfc £250 a week. He tells me he can get the ball rolling straight away if I give him my sort code and account number. I would also have to give him my real name I guess.

I mean say it is a scam what can this guy do with these details, I mean what is the motive here??

Xx

Please confirm that you are not being offered to sign up with a website called adoptabrat. They use the sugar daddy lingo, and they were recently shredded by models on other forums, for being amateurs. Thanks!

 

[yummybrownfox]

this is a good argument against giving your live savings account to strangers. I'd recommend not even having that account connected to a payment card of any kind.
doesn't, however, appear to be an argument against giving out a bank account at all (e.g., creating an account solely for the purposes of receiving and rerouting income). so, based on this, your earlier statement was a hasty generalization. perhaps a panicked exaggeration. maybe you should post when you're in a calmer mood instead? (see how pointless these little snipes are? I'm happy to play your drama game though as long as we both enjoy it)

Audri took time to explain on here why using PayPal is a bad idea, even though you probably should've done your own research on that topic, and you're on here giving her attitude?

No good deed goes unpunished, huh? Smh.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

you're on here giving her attitude?

'forgiving tit for tat'.--she'd already given me plenty of attitude in the past, and I'm quite happy to mirror what people give to me. I'm happy to pretend it never happened and start afresh (the 'forgiving' variation), it looks like she's happy to chill, too. you're the only one dragging us back to this tangent. you could've done it in PM if you weren't just grandstanding.

it's interesting you quote my post that concerns her conjecture about bank accounts which has nothing intrinsically to do with paypal. (another member, however, has subsequently offered good insight on why bank accounts could be an issue if used wrecklessly, it doesn't support her generalization, but it's at least potentially helpful information for newbies, not obscurantist fearmongering).

 

[yummybrownfox]

'forgiving tit for tat'.--she'd already given me plenty of attitude in the past, and I'm quite happy to mirror what people give to me. I'm happy to pretend it never happened (the 'forgiving' variation), it looks like she's happy to chill, too. you're the only one dragging us back to this tangent. you could've done it in PM if you weren't just grandstanding.

it's interesting you quote my post that concerns her conjecture about bank accounts which has nothing intrinsically to do with paypal. (another member, however, has subsequently offered good insight on why bank accounts could be an issue if used wrecklessly).

Bank accounts...PayPal...(Western Union, etc.)...they're all unsafe payment methods as far as members sending you funds that way directly. For someone who uses a lot of big words in their posts, I'd think you'd get it. But do what you'd like. Just don't come back here crying the blues when you get screwed over, and wondering how GagOnMyCock69 managed to track you down and comment on personal family photos on FB.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

Bank accounts...PayPal...(Western Union, etc.)...they're all unsafe payment methods as far as members sending you funds that way directly. For someone who uses a lot of big words in their posts, I'd think you'd get it.

perhaps you just know too much and fill in the blanks unconsciously, and have trouble putting yourself in the shoes of the audience...

the mere declaration 'this is unsafe' offers nothing for the reader to 'get'. I can either assume you're an authority on net security and take it on faith (but I have no basis to assume you're an authority on such things), or I can not take it on faith because for all I know you're just someone who was in my shoes and who has taken someone else's hearsay on faith yourself (which would explain an unwillingness to be helpful by explaining what the issue with it is, given a general impression of wanting to be a helpful person). I prefer to understand things, and I'm as skeptical of paranoid people as I am of creeps and conmen. If a post actually teaches me something, instead of merely proclaiming thou shalt fear!, I readily click 'helpful' in gratitude. (Hell, I even find your earlier post helpful because it reminds me of the vast range of personalities that can be attracted to this line of work)

 

[DonaDiabla]

Erinbanks86,
From a sugar baby viewpoint, this is a cruel scam to get your banking information. Allow for me to explain the sugar baby/sugar daddy arrangement. Most real sugar daddies would not be trolling cam sites looking for sugar babies. Now, there are guys who enjoy the sugar daddy fetish and pays their favorites. However, these guys are just sugar daddy fetishists more akin to findom subs and rinsing guys. Usually, they pay via the cam, phone, and other sites. Sometimes, you will find these guys in virtual worlds such as Second Life and Red light district. Now, some real sugar daddies can be found online but they are rare. Most sugar daddies are found offline via freestyling and sites such as Millionaire Match. In addition, real sugar daddies will not asked for banking information to give you the money. You get your allowance after a couple of meetings and then you have the allowance talk. In addition, you must verify all potential sugar daddies before meeting them. By the way, 1500 to 3000 per month is the standard for non-nude sugar arrangements and 3500 and up for sexual arrangements. However, it depends on what you need. I often stick the non-nude arrangements but I make them fun. Good Luck

OK I've had a couple of these and I'm always skeptical but I'm pretty new so wanted to hear other girls thoughts as I imagine a lot of us have had it.

The most recent one a guy wants to me my 'sugar daddy' and give me £500 a week. Amazing if it were genuine but as they say if it sounds too good to be true it usually is. He refuses to pay by tokens as doesn't want to give mfc £250 a week. He tells me he can get the ball rolling straight away if I give him my sort code and account number. I would also have to give him my real name I guess.

I mean say it is a scam what can this guy do with these details, I mean what is the motive here??

Xx

 

[DonaDiabla]

Actually,this is a common myth about sugaring. Many sugar babies offer pay per play options as part of the arrangement. Some offer a flat rate such as myself while many offer more pay per meeting type of deal. It varies from sugar to sugar and arrangement to arrangement.

In my view an escort you pay by the hour or for a certain job, as a sugar daddy you pay the girl a monthly flatrate for whatever floats your boat...

 

[DonaDiabla]

Actually, uncoverdmanhole, sugaring varies from country to country. In North America, (America and Canada) sugar daddies nor sugar babies do not have to be interested in each other as part of the arrangement. Most are but there are some circles where sugar daddies are looking for a cheaper option compare to a mistress but more intimate than a escort. So, sugar babies fit that bill perfectly if they are married or do not have time to relationship part. However, I found that men outside of North America value more of the whole arrangement overall. So, sugaring is more a sister to escorting in North America but more like being a courtesan in other places

well, sure. 'cause then it's not a sugar daddy, it's just a john, and she's not a sugar baby she's just a prostitute.

have you known many cammers to be interested in prostitution?

 

[AudriTwo]

'forgiving tit for tat'.--she'd already given me plenty of attitude in the past, and I'm quite happy to mirror what people give to me

no i haven't. i'm a sarcastic joking person. just because you took offense to my comments, doesn't mean i was giving attitude to you. i'm sorry if you took it that way. text comes off literal. you took offense to me calling you naive and as a insult. I was saying you are being a bit naive. wasn't calling you one. you instead got your feelings hurt. so you had to insult me. i wasn't. i just thought "wow you are a fucking cunt." and laughed.

please point out exactly when i was. please. cause i think this is the second time i've engaged with you on this forum.

 

[yummybrownfox]

perhaps you just know too much and fill in the blanks unconsciously, and have trouble putting yourself in the shoes of the audience...

the mere declaration 'this is unsafe' offers nothing for the reader to 'get'. I can either assume you're an authority on net security and take it on faith (but I have no basis to assume you're an authority on such things), or I can not take it on faith because for all I know you're just someone who was in my shoes and who has taken someone else's hearsay on faith yourself (which would explain an unwillingness to be helpful by explaining what the issue with it is, given a general impression of wanting to be a helpful person). I prefer to understand things, and I'm as skeptical of paranoid people as I am of creeps and conmen. If a post actually teaches me something, instead of merely proclaiming thou shalt fear!, I readily click 'helpful' in gratitude. (Hell, I even find your earlier post helpful because it reminds me of the vast range of personalities that can be attracted to this line of work)

No, actually, I don't take "someone else's hearsay." I do my own research, I try to use common sense and not be as naive as I was at age 19/20, I thank the forum posters (ya know...people who've been in the industry for some time and pay their bills with this) who took time to give me free advice instead of respond with long-winded, condescending posts, and sometimes I might even get a lil' personal and throw in a personal experience or two that I may wish to share. But yeah, go ahead and tell experienced women on this forum that they are "paranoid." Sometimes it's best to just let people experience thangs for themselves for them to realize "Well, I'll never do that shit again!"

 

[BobbyB]

Actually,this is a common myth about sugaring. Many sugar babies offer pay per play options as part of the arrangement. Some offer a flat rate such as myself while many offer more pay per meeting type of deal. It varies from sugar to sugar and arrangement to arrangement.

Seems I learned a new word " sugaring"....life is never boring always something new to learn....

 

[Phoenix4987]

did it that way today and it still worked out ok he tipped, then claimed he was willing to pay $3000 to spend the week with me ... and said 'your loss' when I gave a soft no/not-immediate-yes. my loss? even if it looks like it's made of silver, I'm happy to dodge a bullet, thanks.

3000 a week. Hmm. Was thinking of a similar arrangement. Basically it would sort of be like a vacation for me and would probably pay-as-i-go, like some each day type thing. But sort of throwing around numbers in my head trying to find one that's appropriate and respectable.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

3000 a week. Hmm. Was thinking of a similar arrangement. Basically it would sort of be like a vacation for me and would probably pay-as-i-go, like some each day type thing. But sort of throwing around numbers in my head trying to find one that's appropriate and respectable.

well, I told him I'd need $200 just to get a passport. and he knows flights would be $300 minimum, not sure about accommodation. and it would be $500 lost income at the minimum wage rate for taking a week off work (so the profit for whoring would be around $2000 for me -- a model who's worth $4-500 a day (people you see with 8-10,000tk totals for their day's camming), on the other hand, would pay such a high opportunity cost that they'd lose money on the arrangement...$3500 sugar would only just allow her/him to break even with the normal comfortable life at home not sleeping with a stranger, it wouldn't be enough sugar to justify prostitution I would think.
as a lump sum it probably sounds like a lot to the person offering, but once you spell out the costs involved, it's very little pay for doing a good deal more.

would probably pay-as-i-go, like some each day type thing.

no way in hell I'd accept a bluff like that.

 

[Phoenix4987]

I see where you're coming from. This is why it varies and each situation is different. Your daily / weekly earnings are quite different than say some others. So to earn in a few days what would normally take weeks, (perhaps longer), might be more alluring to someone who isn't banking an average of $500 every log in. Perhaps could have negotiated, in your circumstance, for more $ or less time. But none of it can happen without trust. Seems like your POT was trying to play hard ball when it wasn't the best hand to play.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

Perhaps could have negotiated, in your circumstance, for more $ or less time. But none of it can happen without trust. Seems like your POT was trying to play hard ball when it wasn't the best hand to play.

yeh. I've got a very YOLO friend who said 'just make it a weekend'. not 'omg scary don't do it', just 'a week is really long'.

but yeh, he wasn't someone I'd take seriously. ...popped in, saw me doing nothing special for all of 9 seconds and tried to bait me and then mindgame me. NOPE. sorry homeboy, you think you're fuckin' with some freshman but you've got no idea.

 

[Phoenix4987]

Hahaha. Tell 'em. Yeah a week seems kind of long. Almost unbearable. What if there's no chemistry? What if they're a complete douche? That's why it's almost better if they come to you instead. You've got homefield advantage and aren't stuck waiting around for your flight to get out. Go on 1 date, see what it is. Fuck on the 1st date if you want haha. But at least it's on your turf where you set all the rules and know all the back alleys and can call backup if you need to.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

That's why it's almost better if they come to you instead. You've got homefield advantage and aren't stuck waiting around for your flight to get out. Go on 1 date, see what it is. Fuck on the 1st date if you want haha. But at least it's on your turf where you set all the rules and know all the back alleys and can call backup if you need to.

yeh.
I had another guy float the idea of meeting in a tourist town in my country. definitely an easier option, though unless I brought a friend along for the trip I couldn't call the guns in if need be and would just have to gamble on court dramas by settling it wrecklessly.
still not sure how I'd proceed with a meeting. but that works in my favor -- anyone so dickish they want a yes within 2 sentences of meeting me should certainly go fuck himself or go harass street walkers where that's the expected turnaround.

 

[Shia]

I get sugar daddy/baby inquiries a lot. Honestly I just let them know "Sure I'd love that, however I only do online arrangements" that usually sends them running. I'm not comfortable meeting up with members in person unless it was at a convention or possibly a raffle where I can bring security along, if somebody wants to be my sugar daddy they have to be comfortable not getting any of my "sugar".

 

[Pure_emotion]

there is this site called seekingarrangement where there is a blog and a forum section and you can find out a lot of interesting stuff. and maybe see what other sugar babies did in similar situation.