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GiaMisaki said:
agreed! it doesnt bother me at all that the video isnt all perfect.. pfft that has to do with upload speed also.. so blaming it all on a website is bs anyway
XxXIndiXxX said:
No, Im not kidding. You need to bear in mind that the quality of the video does not lie soley with the website. The model's camera and lighting will play a part, as will their upload speed, the viewer's download speed and their own system. Can I also remind you that the site is new, that upgrades and improvements are being worked on, video quality will be something the admin will be aware of.
Keltik said:
Once the site gets the cam quality up it will certainly be more enjoyable. I peeked in on a beautiful girl who had the highest res available enabled and what looked to be a clear cam otherwise, but SV pixelates it pretty badly at this point in time. I'm fully aware that the site is new and improvements will come, but it's silly to try to brush it off like the vid quality is good. It's not.
Keltik said:
Video quality is probably the only thing really holding SV back from its full potential. It's just too pixelated right now. Once they get that improved, then look out.
I find that when a girl switches to high res, theres very little or no pixelating. But as alot of people have said, it will be an improvement that comes in time.
I see no problem with the picture quality at the moment, it's a new site after all. I am going to go there and use it so that my favorite models got more of my money and not admin, simple as that. I don't plan to leave MFC either as some of my favored models are in studios so can't get on there so I will have to split my dollars between them. I can't see me ever leaving MFC however I will support anything that supports what I like most, naked women.
Let me back up my point about image quality. This morning, I found a model who was camming on both MFC and Skinvideo at the same time. Now, because I am not sure if models can be appearing on more than one site with SV and it is not a model who is signed up to the forums, I am not posting the screen cap I took here, but instead I'll just share this link- http://imgur.com/uDug1.
Despite all the things we say about MFC and it deserving 99% of it, the video quality is clearly better and the video window is larger too. The more important thing is the quality, though. If you make the window bigger with that quality, it just makes the pixelation and blurring more obvious.
Yes, it is a new site, I know that. But as Amber said, the quality just isn't good right now.
Despite all the things we say about MFC and it deserving 99% of it, the video quality is clearly better and the video window is larger too. The more important thing is the quality, though. If you make the window bigger with that quality, it just makes the pixelation and blurring more obvious.
Yes, it is a new site, I know that. But as Amber said, the quality just isn't good right now.
Keltik said:
I'm not a dumb ass, of course it depends on the models cam/lighting/upload speed. And Mikey beat me here with his earlier post but I've also been watching girls who are on both sites and the difference in quality makes it obvious that it's the sites problem.
And yes I'm aware that the site is new and they will be working on it, I just thought it was quite funny that you said the models decide the quality of the video we show.
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I think he probably just meant that you can choose high, low, medium, medium-low and low resolution (I think those are the options). But yeah, obviously the site does limit the quality of our video. I'm sure they will upgrade it in the future 
And if they don't, well c'est la vie! In the mean time, I'm just gonna keep giving it a try. I've been doing pretty well there and it is super exciting to me that my man can come on cam... Even something as simple as him walking into the room isn't a big deal.
And if they don't, well c'est la vie! In the mean time, I'm just gonna keep giving it a try. I've been doing pretty well there and it is super exciting to me that my man can come on cam... Even something as simple as him walking into the room isn't a big deal.
Haha. Well, there'll be as many beggars as any cam site once it grows. It mainly depends on what type of culture models/members turn it into, but those change rapidly online.
Bocefish said:Good luck with your continued success in that realm, you're gonna need it.
I don't understand the point of being negative and rude. After almost 5 years of camming it's nice to be in an environment of being able to sign on and just have fun. Is it going to last? Probably not as the site grows, but for the time being why not just be happy for the girls who are having a good time and not having to deal with 3895430 douche bags every time they sign on?
Wishing you luck is rude and negative? You yourself just admitted it will not last, but whatever. Sheesh! Apparently, my sense of humor eluded you.
GiaMisaki said:Bocefish said:Good luck with your continued success in that realm, you're gonna need it.
I don't understand the point of being negative and rude. After almost 5 years of camming it's nice to be in an environment of being able to sign on and just have fun. Is it going to last? Probably not as the site grows, but for the time being why not just be happy for the girls who are having a good time and not having to deal with 3895430 douche bags every time they sign on?
I think it's just because there are many who are still loyal to MFC and think going over to SV is a waste. I disagree with that viewpoint to some extent, but I think that as SV grows and improvements are made; there will be benefits to being on both sites.
As I say that, MFC crashes again.
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Bocefish said:
I think what she meant was adding "you're gonna need it" is what made you sound rude & your well wishing insincere.
Yup, that.Frankie said:
On the other hand, I do feel like lots of girls are teetering more on the side of being overly-super-enthusiastic about SV and it's leading them to be a tad more defensive of their comments and posts about how great the site is when someone attacks them.
In light of all the issues on MFC I don't blame girls for getting excited for a new site. It's awesome to have new options. I get blinded by excitement over all sorts of things in life, so I can relate.
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Agreed with Amber, the SkinVideo thing is getting a bit polarized. I think the notion of a new developing baby-site is really neat, I admire the girls who are pursuing it thoughtfully, and I believe that if they live up to the business plan and improve cam quality and sort some other details out I think I think they could have great potential! That said, MFC crashes and normal mfc-grumbling concerns aside I'm not looking to leave MFC, in fact I wish I could spend more time on MFC - but there's the rub.
For me, I think SkinVideo would be a good place to do "Pure Fun" shows. Don't get me wrong I'm having wicked fun when I'm on MCF but because of the camscore element I really feel like I need to work to maintain a certain tkns/hr ratio to maintain my homepage page placement and that implied urgency-to-maintain doesn't lend itself well to super relaxed FUN shows, like cooking and house cleaning and bumming around the garden and just being CHILL.
There are times of the day when I don't necessarily have the house to myself so I can't do hardcore screaming sex shows, but I could be sexy making a casserole or fiddling around the garden or having a beer on the back deck! I would LOVE the company, and having a beer on the back deck with 400 of your sexiest friends is just fun-times, but I can't legitimately expect people to tip me for watering my hydrangeas and drinking corona (and due to the elevation of my yard in comparison to my neighbors, and the fact that they're geriatric and would likey suffer a cardiac event at the site of a nude girl talking to a computer - group and private is really out of the question lol).
SkinVideo could be a place for me to do lazy-ass lemon shows
Lol now that I've said that out loud I'm sure if I ever go to apply Kathleen with deny me because she heard through the rumor mill that my ultimate plan for AmyLemon on SkinVideo was to sit around in my back yard and drink beer.
For me, I think SkinVideo would be a good place to do "Pure Fun" shows. Don't get me wrong I'm having wicked fun when I'm on MCF but because of the camscore element I really feel like I need to work to maintain a certain tkns/hr ratio to maintain my homepage page placement and that implied urgency-to-maintain doesn't lend itself well to super relaxed FUN shows, like cooking and house cleaning and bumming around the garden and just being CHILL.
There are times of the day when I don't necessarily have the house to myself so I can't do hardcore screaming sex shows, but I could be sexy making a casserole or fiddling around the garden or having a beer on the back deck! I would LOVE the company, and having a beer on the back deck with 400 of your sexiest friends is just fun-times, but I can't legitimately expect people to tip me for watering my hydrangeas and drinking corona (and due to the elevation of my yard in comparison to my neighbors, and the fact that they're geriatric and would likey suffer a cardiac event at the site of a nude girl talking to a computer - group and private is really out of the question lol).
SkinVideo could be a place for me to do lazy-ass lemon shows
Lol now that I've said that out loud I'm sure if I ever go to apply Kathleen with deny me because she heard through the rumor mill that my ultimate plan for AmyLemon on SkinVideo was to sit around in my back yard and drink beer.
I would love think that there is a cam site where models receive a high payout and could earn a good living doing the shows they choose for an appreciative and respectful bunch of pervs. I'm not sure that this site is your dream come true, though. Skinvideo looks like it has some people running things who have who have good intentions, but also limited experience and funds, and who are hoping to get traffic from their parent site and referrals from the models they are able to recruit.
As someone who has some experience with porn sites that added cam shows, with one possible exception, I have yet to see them become terribly successful or profitable in their own right. They have always been the step-child as far as the site operators go, regardless of the enthusiasm of the folks they contract with to run the cam section. That one exception was at the category-leading softcore site, which has since discontinued their home-grown cam site and later contracted with the Streamate folks to run a mini-clone of Streamate with their brand which appears to be tanking.
Skinvideo is a $15 a month porn site that emphasizes quantity over quality. The kind of pervs who will frequent those sites generally sign up for a month, or less, hoover up all they want, and then cancel. Skinvideo updates a lot, but that mostly means that your average porndog will return once every year or two to get the updates. These are not normally guys who are interested in a personal relationship with their wanking material.
TL;DR: I don't think Skinvideo is ideally situated to deliver the type of traffic that makes for a successful cam site.
As someone who has some experience with porn sites that added cam shows, with one possible exception, I have yet to see them become terribly successful or profitable in their own right. They have always been the step-child as far as the site operators go, regardless of the enthusiasm of the folks they contract with to run the cam section. That one exception was at the category-leading softcore site, which has since discontinued their home-grown cam site and later contracted with the Streamate folks to run a mini-clone of Streamate with their brand which appears to be tanking.
Skinvideo is a $15 a month porn site that emphasizes quantity over quality. The kind of pervs who will frequent those sites generally sign up for a month, or less, hoover up all they want, and then cancel. Skinvideo updates a lot, but that mostly means that your average porndog will return once every year or two to get the updates. These are not normally guys who are interested in a personal relationship with their wanking material.
TL;DR: I don't think Skinvideo is ideally situated to deliver the type of traffic that makes for a successful cam site.
I've been checking out skinvideo on and off for the past week or ten days and, aside from the lack of models online - which is a drawback but obviously easily solved - I'm not a fan of the layout, stream quality, lack of volume control or cam resizing.
Again, all of these problems have straightforward solutions, and I'm completely in favour of greater compensation for models (if it was up to me models would get 100%), but I don't think it's likely that the site can keep you guys on an 80% rate AND implement new infrastructure, increased bandwidth for better cam feeds (and continue doing so as popularity grows).
While I'm not suggesting MFC isn't raking in money hand-over-fist from you girls (no pun intended), and aside from the fact that the site is currently down (lol), the ability to provide relatively stable, HD quality (depending on model hardware) live streaming, cam to cam, pms, and all the other features, reliably to literally tens of thousands of people at any given time requires a huge investment.
I've seen upwards of 7000 people in a single room before, I dont know how one could count all the current viewers on an mfc session, but at peak time I'm estimating 40, 50 thousand?
What I'm saying is, if Skinvideo were to implement all the little changes to their cam interface that everyone wants, it would STILL require a massive ongoing investment in infrastructure and bandwidth that would cause them to make a loss for a considerable time before they even manage to break even.
I can't see them doing that and maintaining 80% to models, I think it's unrealistic unfortunately.
Again, all of these problems have straightforward solutions, and I'm completely in favour of greater compensation for models (if it was up to me models would get 100%), but I don't think it's likely that the site can keep you guys on an 80% rate AND implement new infrastructure, increased bandwidth for better cam feeds (and continue doing so as popularity grows).
While I'm not suggesting MFC isn't raking in money hand-over-fist from you girls (no pun intended), and aside from the fact that the site is currently down (lol), the ability to provide relatively stable, HD quality (depending on model hardware) live streaming, cam to cam, pms, and all the other features, reliably to literally tens of thousands of people at any given time requires a huge investment.
I've seen upwards of 7000 people in a single room before, I dont know how one could count all the current viewers on an mfc session, but at peak time I'm estimating 40, 50 thousand?
What I'm saying is, if Skinvideo were to implement all the little changes to their cam interface that everyone wants, it would STILL require a massive ongoing investment in infrastructure and bandwidth that would cause them to make a loss for a considerable time before they even manage to break even.
I can't see them doing that and maintaining 80% to models, I think it's unrealistic unfortunately.
I hate to say that I agree with that statement. But if they do, then that's excellent for the models! However, I think there are lots of models who wouldn't care if all those upgrades were implemented, and would settle for a less than dazzling site if it means an easy going cam environment and highest % payout.Jupiter551 said:
Yeah, I am one of those people thats gets distracted by bells and whistles... ooooh shiny. The lack luster UI, Lower video quality, and inability to resize video mean this will not become a home for me. Jupiter nailed what I have been thinking. To attract a guy like me, they need to make major investments and I am not sure that they can afford to do that at the current level of payout. Also, keeping a site stable with 5-15 models on at a time is much easier than the massive load MFC has. That being said, if MFC doesn't get issues ironed out their wallets will be hurt by this and other sites.
SkinVideo is not a bad site. All I am saying is, it's not a site that entices me. I wish luck to all you ladies who choose to forge new ground and those that choose to ride the crash machine that currently is MFC.
SkinVideo is not a bad site. All I am saying is, it's not a site that entices me. I wish luck to all you ladies who choose to forge new ground and those that choose to ride the crash machine that currently is MFC.
AmberCutie said:
Seconded. There has to be a fine balance between a fair payout for the models and the site admins making enough to maintain and upgrade the site. SV might need to pull back a bit on their payouts in order to do the necessary upgrades. But compared to MFC's payout percentages, they can do a little bit of that and still be above what MFC pays.
AmberCutie said:
Oh I totally agree that the high payout % will attract models, regardless in some cases of the features and quality of the stream, but the bigger question is whether it will attract consumers. Sure, if one of my absolute favourite models that I talk to virtually on a daily basis moved there, exclusively, I'd sign up and go see her.
Could a top model with an established fanbase move to this site and be a success? I'd venture to say yes. Could she attract new customers at the same rate as on MFC? No. The much-maligned concept behind mfc is that the more people who come, the more will pay, and it works. You get career freeloaders sure - but it's a numbers game, and MFC brings flocks of potential customers for you to entice to spend money on you.
If I didnt have any favourites there, or was just starting to enjoy watching cams, I'd need to end up there by accident and ignorance because virtually any other website is a better experience for the customer.
For the site to be successful it has to be a balance between pleasing the model and pleasing (and attracting) consumers.
About skinvideo possibly needing to reduce the high payout, adultwork.com pay 70% and they've always done that... well they have in the 5+ years I've been on there. And that sites quite big now I think, maybe not as many models online as MFC, but there's loads of movies and pictures and stuff there too, so it must cost quite a lot to run?
Adultwork's site hurts my eyes and my brain. I think it's hard to compare them to MFC since (from what I gather) it's more of an "everything" site than a cam site. Seems they have a lot of services that would be less expensive to maintain, thus creating a higher profit margin. MFC pays up to 70% too, don't forget that.AngelicTease said:
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