SkinVideo - A new and AMAZING Cam Site

[AngelicTease]

I don't think I was meant to compare them to MFC haha, I was just trying to say they've managed to keep a high payout and haven't changed it, even when the site has grown.
Sorry my post was so confusing, I'm sleepy!
And sorry as well if it sounded like I was trying to advertise them, I wasn't, I was just trying to say they pay a high cut and it's a biggish site.

I thought MFC just paid 50%, how do you get 70%?

 

[Mikeythegeek]

Read this- http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Payment ... percentage

They estimate that MFC payout is 61.4%.

 

[AngelicTease]

That page always confuses me, but then all numbers do. I thought if the percentage was higher, models would get more than 0.50 per token, but that page doesn't say that, which is what confuses me, which is why I thought they were lying and it's still 50% haha.
They being MFC, not anyone else.

 

[XxXIndiXxX]

That page always confuses me, but then all numbers do. I thought if the percentage was higher, models would get more than 0.50 per token, but that page doesn't say that, which is what confuses me, which is why I thought they were lying and it's still 50% haha.
They being MFC, not anyone else.

Nope we always get 0.05 a token, the percentage we get is higher when someone has bought a larger token package, because they spent less to get them. Hope that makes sense! It's 3 am, my brain isn't functioning enough to come up with a better explanation :lol:

 

[AngelicTease]

I still don't understand it, but don't think I ever will, stuff about numbers seems to just fly over my head! Thankies for trying to explain it anyway though, I really appreciate it.

 

[Jupiter551]

For a member, you get a discount on tokens when you buy in bulk - 200 tokens is 10c a token, 1000 tokens is about 8c a token, etc.

So if you're getting 5c per token, and the customer bought them for 8, you're getting more than 50%. Doesn't seem like it tho does it

Still, overall, it's better for MFC and the models for members to be buying tokens in bulk.

 

[AmberCutie]

They estimate that MFC payout is 61.4%.

As an average, yeah. Directly up to around 63%, indirectly it's higher. Since other camsites sometimes put in additional fees, I count this as part of the consideration:

MyFreeCams.com pays all transaction costs, accepts credit cards, debit cards, checks, wire transfers, telephone payments, and many other forms of payments from everywhere around the world. If these costs are included in the calculation, the percentage paid to models climbs to about 75%.

For instance, cams.com takes out CC fees, etc, and THEN gives models the 30-45% after that. Any way you chalk it up, we make better payout at MFC than pretty much any other site, except SV now.

I still don't understand it, but don't think I ever will, stuff about numbers seems to just fly over my head! Thankies for trying to explain it anyway though, I really appreciate it.

Hah all you've gotta remember is that we always make 5 cents per token. It really just depends on how much the member paid for the tokens that decides how much MFC KEEPS. Maybe saying it that way will help spark the light bulb.

 

[NaomiRose]

Lots of good discussion going on here guys!

I have to agree, that I am worried if SV does all the upgrades it SHOULD, that they may have to reduce our payout. However, from conversing with Kathleen, it is very clear to me that she wants to give us the highest amount she possibly can... So hopefully it won't be reduced by much. Either way, I highly doubt the payout would ever be reduced to less than what MFC pays out, and as far as I'm concerned, I would prefer a camsite that paid out the same percentage as MFC, perhaps even a bit lower, if it had all the same qualities (which SV doesn't yet) and makes it obvious they actually care about their models and members. MFC really doesn't do this. They say it, but I don't think any of us feel it. MFC is a home to all of us because of EACH OTHER! And because they really do have awesome software and features and bells and whistles. They also obviously have a high amount of models for the customers to choose from... And lots of customers for us models. But if these crashes keep happening all the time, I think we can all agree it's not really worth it anyways.

As of right now, I am not cutting down on my MFC hours at all, I'm just picking up some extra ones on SV. And I've really enjoyed my experience there so far. It would take a lot of upgrading for me to fully leave MFC. I really don't want SV to get as big as MFC (god I hope it doesn't)... But I would like them to do a lot of the upgrades we've all been discussing and definitely bring in some more traffic (which doing those upgrades probably would). I also want to point out that even in the few short weeks we've all been discussing SV, the traffic has gone up a lot and the amount of models online have gone up. We truly do hold a lot of power here... And I urge you all to continue checking it out. You don't need to leave MFC, but why not keep checking out a site that you pay virtually the same amount for tokens (I realize they don't have as great bigger packages) but your model gets more? Let's give them a chance to prove themselves before we start making statements like, "I'd never leave MFC." Plus, you don't have to leave MFC in order to support SV!

So, I think a lot of you may have realized this... But I just did last night, so I'm gonna spell it out here, in case anyone was like me and thought we (models) only got around a 20-30% pay increase by going to SV from MFC. See, I was looking at MFC as a payout of about 50-60% and SV as a payout of about 80%. In my eyes, I thought, "Sweet! I'm getting a 20-30% pay increase!" It's actually higher!! It's a 60% pay increase!!!

On MFC, we are paid $0.05 per token.
On SV, we are paid $0.08 per token.
That's an increase of $0.03 per token.
$0.03 is 60% of $0.05.

For example, on MFC, if I am tipped 20 tokens, I get $1. On SV, if I am tipped 20 tokens, I get $1.60.

A 60% pay increase is a lot ladies and gentleman! And this woman has shown she cares. I'm not saying we should all leave MFC for this site, but I'm saying I certainly believe we should keep supporting this site! If it proves not to be worthy (as in, they don't do the upgrades we all want to see)... Then fine, I think we could give up on it. (Although, personally I think I would continue to cam on there as it is, just for fun... Because I do still make decent coin and have a great time. But I wouldn't leave MFC for it.) Let's all just try and stay positive and ride this out? There's no harm in doing so.

 

[Jebbaz]

I emailed her 2 days ago, and yesterday what I emailed about was fixed.

Fuck, Yeah!

 

[Leigh]

I've been emailing all week and havent heard a thing back. I hope it doesnt become like MFC a case of some people hear back and some people dont.

 

[Bocefish]

Read this- http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Payment ... percentage

The following bold and underlined made me laugh from that link:

In addition, members receive many free tokens as part of the Bring-a-Friend program and in the course of our normal customer service.

Anybody here ever receive free tokens in the course of MFC's normal customer service? :lol:

 

[Jupiter551]

Anybody here ever receive free tokens in the course of MFC's normal customer service? :lol:

MFC has customer service? Since when :roll:

Anyway I know I read somewhere that they said they specifically DON'T ever give out free tokens (they mean aside from BAF I assume) because it would devalue the tokens and cause models to get paid less per token, or somesuch.

The only way we could be certain whether or not MFC was being fair in what models get paid, is if we saw how much profit they make after paying all admin costs, overheads, bandwidth, wages, etc...and that we will never find out.

The other extreme is I have a friend of a friend (Monica Foster) who was in the adult industry for a while, and decided to go completely independent - and supplements it with work on a couple cam sites.
She has a website, runs cam shows from it on demand, a free show weekly, sells her videos, pictures etc etc. But obviously, she gets 100% of the proceeds after paying for her site upkeep and whatever time it takes her to keep it updated and so-forth. Her xxx website is http://www.monicaf.com and her blog is http://www.monicaf.com/.

I think it's interesting because you can see she's branching out into lots of different areas, about to start an adult film review site, written an ebook about the pitfalls and things to be aware of getting into porn, interesting blog and I think just a very intelligent, enterprising woman.

 

[Sevrin]

Read this- http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Payment ... percentage

The following bold and underlined made me laugh from that link:

In addition, members receive many free tokens as part of the Bring-a-Friend program and in the course of our normal customer service.

Anybody here ever receive free tokens in the course of MFC's normal customer service? :lol:

Yes. Twice.

 

[Bocefish]

Read this- http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Payment ... percentage

The following bold and underlined made me laugh from that link:

In addition, members receive many free tokens as part of the Bring-a-Friend program and in the course of our normal customer service.

Anybody here ever receive free tokens in the course of MFC's normal customer service? :lol:

Yes. Twice.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Sevrin]

Well, once was an 80-something token refund for a group show that kept on ticking after I closed the window, and the other was 200 tokens for a little write-up on a porn review site. I let them know as a courtesy, and Katie tossed me some tokens.

 

[Jupiter551]

Well neither of those instances were 'free' tokens in the 'course of normal customer service'.

The first instance was a refund for a service you already paid for but didn't recieve, in the course of normal customer service.

The second was an off-the-books referral incentive, and had nothing to do with customer service at all.

 

[Bocefish]

Yeppers, I tend to agree with Jupiter. Neither of those were free tokens. The first was compensation for their screw-up and the second was basically payment for your advertising, similar to BAF.

 

[Bocefish]

I tried to put together a guide for SkinVideo to help out new models & members. Ta da!

Another suggestion would be to let members know via little icon or something if the model is in group or private. It gets old quick clicking on a model only to see she's in a group or private.

Any progress info about the upgrades?

 

[Sevrin]

I tried to put together a guide for SkinVideo to help out new models & members. Ta da!

Another suggestion would be to let members know via little icon or something if the model is in group or private. It gets old quick clicking on a model only to see she's in a group or private.

Any progress info about the upgrades?

They fixed the problem of having a non-secure token-selling page by removing the link to that page.

 

[Leigh]

My emails finally got answered so im happy

I do wish the site had an 'away' page for models tho, or maybe they do and im not finding it lol

 

[LadyLuna]

I would appreciate it if somewhere there was a running log of "I emailed them about ___ on ___, and it was responded to on ___ and fixed on ____"

That would really help with seeing just how serious they are about upgrades and such.

Also, if we had a timeline of when they hope to have the ones that will take longer, such as better cam quality, it would be good.


off-topic
As to the question that I have seen about MFC so often (namely, how much revenue do they earn, and what are the current costs of the site), there is a way to get an answer, but I doubt any of us are willing to do that: hire a private investigator *shudders and feels slightly slimey for even suggesting it*. Have him research how much they make, and what the site costs to run. Then factor out the fact that admin needs a paycheck, and give them a reasonable one (something higher than minimum wage, but less than the average CEO would be reasonable). What is left, is how much they could be using to upgrade the site.
/off-topic

I really am interested in SkinVideo. I'm looking into apartments right now, trying to find one. Waiting to hear back from my best bet- if I do, then I might be willing to try it out. Otherwise, I'll stick with streamate and mfc.

 

[wasteofoxygen]

I still dont understand why they are setting the chat client to 400x299, watching the 320x240 cam feed stretched all over the place is no fun.
From a technically point of view, this site has alot work to do, it's exploitable beyond believe with no clear and secure concept and I dont understand why you girls are hatin on MFC.
First of all this is your job and all jobs suck in one way or another, ohh the servers crash? That's too bad, but this is what happening when working within networks and HEAVY load. Keep in mind that MFC supplies the best quality of your feed ( I admit, the bitrate is a little too high) and offers the userbase because 80% of 0 is still 0, many a mickle makes a muckle.
I think its cool that people are listening to you but seriously they NEED you right now, there is no other way but kiss your ass.
MFC do invest money in new servers, they added around 15 servers last december FYI and they have good coders, their chatsoftware is a great approach. The problem is some girls still have to share video server and if some of the top notch girls get onto the same server on busy days -> byebye. I don't think that will change at skinvideo once the shitstorm arrives.
Sorry for being all MFC pro, I'm not a faboi... actually I don't give a shit but I just dont understand whats so "AMAZING" about skinvideo, other than they make you feel like a human being but that wont pay your bills.

tl;dr dunno about skinvideo but I wish you girls the best of luck, just dont ragequit on mfc so your return will be easier

 

[AedanRayne]

I'm going to ignore the bickering in the recent posts and just say the following...

I tried out SkinVideo tonight for the first time and had the time of my life! What does SV have that other camsites don't? The ability to play with my boyfriend in PUBLIC chat. Nothing beats playing with my pussy in public, and turning around to find him with a hard cock ready for my throat. For this, I will agree that SV is AMAZING! I'm hooked.

 

[thruther]

Is erotic asphyxia is allowed, by hands, fingers, cock, film or ligature?

 

[Cassidy Nicole]

i have not cammed on skinvideo yet, i like the ability of blocking states, once they can do that, ill give it a go haha.

anyways here are my two cents, i do believe there is a cam site out there for everyone. some girls may love MFC, the ability to be super interactive, not have to take privates, shows, not have men on cam, the super large number of members, whatever. Some girls are very successful on the site and really like it and the 50% pay out still isnt chump change. Some girls may love Streamate even though you only get 35% because of the constant privates and shows one after another, and it may make up the difference for the lower pay out. Same as SV, some girls make like how it is a relatively smaller site, can have men on cam, like the higher payout even though you may make less money since there isnt as many people there.

same with members, i believe there is a cam site for everyone, there is not one fits all. certain sites may have certain features that others have, i know a lot of the guys who may really like the SV payout because some "feel bad that MFC takes 50%". like on this forum, there are people who dont like the small amount of models and the video quality. i hope that it will get better because if it does, i think SV could be great. only time will tell on that though

 

[NaomiRose]

i have not cammed on skinvideo yet, i like the ability of blocking states, once they can do that, ill give it a go haha.

anyways here are my two cents, i do believe there is a cam site out there for everyone. some girls may love MFC, the ability to be super interactive, not have to take privates, shows, not have men on cam, the super large number of members, whatever. Some girls are very successful on the site and really like it and the 50% pay out still isnt chump change. Some girls may love Streamate even though you only get 35% because of the constant privates and shows one after another, and it may make up the difference for the lower pay out. Same as SV, some girls make like how it is a relatively smaller site, can have men on cam, like the higher payout even though you may make less money since there isnt as many people there.

same with members, i believe there is a cam site for everyone, there is not one fits all. certain sites may have certain features that others have, i know a lot of the guys who may really like the SV payout because some "feel bad that MFC takes 50%". like on this forum, there are people who dont like the small amount of models and the video quality. i hope that it will get better because if it does, i think SV could be great. only time will tell on that though

I think this is one of the smartest and most insightful things that has been said about this whole business! Well put, Cassidy.

 

[Cassidy Nicole]

i have not cammed on skinvideo yet, i like the ability of blocking states, once they can do that, ill give it a go haha.

anyways here are my two cents, i do believe there is a cam site out there for everyone. some girls may love MFC, the ability to be super interactive, not have to take privates, shows, not have men on cam, the super large number of members, whatever. Some girls are very successful on the site and really like it and the 50% pay out still isnt chump change. Some girls may love Streamate even though you only get 35% because of the constant privates and shows one after another, and it may make up the difference for the lower pay out. Same as SV, some girls make like how it is a relatively smaller site, can have men on cam, like the higher payout even though you may make less money since there isnt as many people there.

same with members, i believe there is a cam site for everyone, there is not one fits all. certain sites may have certain features that others have, i know a lot of the guys who may really like the SV payout because some "feel bad that MFC takes 50%". like on this forum, there are people who dont like the small amount of models and the video quality. i hope that it will get better because if it does, i think SV could be great. only time will tell on that though

I think this is one of the smartest and most insightful things that has been said about this whole business! Well put, Cassidy.

thank you! it is just like everything in life, nothing is one size fits all!

 

[GreatDane]

i have not cammed on skinvideo yet, i like the ability of blocking states, once they can do that, ill give it a go haha.

anyways here are my two cents, i do believe there is a cam site out there for everyone. some girls may love MFC, the ability to be super interactive, not have to take privates, shows, not have men on cam, the super large number of members, whatever. Some girls are very successful on the site and really like it and the 50% pay out still isnt chump change. Some girls may love Streamate even though you only get 35% because of the constant privates and shows one after another, and it may make up the difference for the lower pay out. Same as SV, some girls make like how it is a relatively smaller site, can have men on cam, like the higher payout even though you may make less money since there isnt as many people there.

same with members, i believe there is a cam site for everyone, there is not one fits all. certain sites may have certain features that others have, i know a lot of the guys who may really like the SV payout because some "feel bad that MFC takes 50%". like on this forum, there are people who dont like the small amount of models and the video quality. i hope that it will get better because if it does, i think SV could be great. only time will tell on that though

I think this is one of the smartest and most insightful things that has been said about this whole business! Well put, Cassidy.

thank you! it is just like everything in life, nothing is one size fits all!

I can vouch for that.... but back on topic, SV has it's good points but I can't watch it there from my daily location, slow internet and such doesn't allow me to without the video feed stopping dead every 3 seconds so it can cache up. mfc I haven't had too much of a problem with it. and yes I know that it is still in it's infancy stage so give it some time and it should be up where it belongs.

And yes I think the lack of models on at certain times is one of the drawbacks to it also but then again, as soon as it is up to speed, there should be more than enough models on at all times of the day. There is no way that it will become as big as mfc overnight, but it will get the attention that it deserves.

 

[AmberCutie]

Screw all that noise, I just deleted all the random bickering crap from the last day and a half. I'm no longer going to jump in and try to diplomatically justify people's words to keep the peace here. Say something stupid and I'll just delete it and all the posts that quote it. I'm only goddamned human and can't keep the sanity here as well as within myself.

Now let's get back on topic, use tact in your wording, and not attack anyone directly. Got it?

 

[LaLaLand_xD]

Screw all that noise, I just deleted all the random bickering crap from the last day and a half. I'm no longer going to jump in and try to diplomatically justify people's words to keep the peace here. Say something stupid and I'll just delete it and all the posts that quote it. I'm only goddamned human and can't keep the sanity here as well as within myself.

Now let's get back on topic, use tact in your wording, and not attack anyone directly. Got it?

Oh Captain, my Captain!

I agree. I have yet to cam on SV but I agree it does look promising. Iknow a lot of people have concerns that the 80% will go down and it may..but doesn't the site offer more than just cams so there is profit else where on the site as well. I am not sure how well they did with prior content but it might be a factor?