SASHA GREY: I Will NOT Quit Reading to Schoolchildren

[AmberCutie]

Guess I'm gonna be the voice of the minority here, so here goes.
Children and pornography should N E V E R meet. Even if you never show the kinds one second of her work, and lie to them about who she is, it's inappropriate. I think this is a sick publicity grab by Sasha Grey, and as such, it is disgusting.

This may sound very simplistic, but I think if you can't tell the kiddo's what a person does for a living, they probably shouldn't be brought in & placed in front of them to be admired.

Porn does have a place in an adult life. It may, as they say, satisfy man's "lower" appetites, but they ARE Human appetites. They are part of us & to deny them is foolish.

PS...I didn't know who Sasha Grey was, so off to xhamster I went. Watch this and keep in mind this thread's question/topic.http://xhamster.com/movies/81450/sasha_grey_tight_teen_twat.html

She better never have kids, either. Don't want children admiring their mama for being a good role model since she took a few dicks up her ass on film a time or ten.


:roll:

 

[Oy vey]

You shouldn't watch camgirls if you don't think we're human. A lot of us are mothers, too, and they do just fine with their kids.

I will give 10,00 tokens to the first person to show me the phrase "cam models are not human" in my original post.

She better never have kids, either. Don't want children admiring their mama for being a good role model since she took a few dicks up her ass on film a time or ten.

Anal sex on video = good role model for children, did you really mean to imply that Amber :?

ap·pro·pri·ate   [adj. uh-proh-pree-it
suitable or fitting for a particular purpose, person, occasion, etc.

I posted the definition not to be a smart ass, but to help define the concept. Notice how it DOES NOT define appropriate with words such as bad, immoral, less than? These are all things that many posters have read into it.

I may drink a martini, it is not bad or evil, but it is not appropriate for kids.
You may look GREAT in a bikini, but it is not appropriate attire for a traditional funeral.
I may love to have a Lamborghini, but it is not appropriate as an only car for a family man with kids.

Also, having, loving and caring for YOUR OWN child is VERY different from the topic under discussion here. Isn't this thread discussing the appropriateness of placing a stranger, employed in what is absolutely an ADULTS ONLY endeavor, before a diverse group of young children, as a potential role model? What has that type of public spectacle got to do with the private events of a cam model & her family?

 

[Rose]

You shouldn't watch camgirls if you don't think we're human. A lot of us are mothers, too, and they do just fine with their kids.

I will give 10,00 tokens to the first person to show me the phrase "cam models are not human" in my original post.

She better never have kids, either. Don't want children admiring their mama for being a good role model since she took a few dicks up her ass on film a time or ten.

Anal sex on video = good role model for children, did you really mean to imply that Amber :?

ap·pro·pri·ate   [adj. uh-proh-pree-it
suitable or fitting for a particular purpose, person, occasion, etc.

I posted the definition not to be a smart ass, but to help define the concept. Notice how it DOES NOT define appropriate with words such as bad, immoral, less than? These are all things that many posters have read into it.

I may drink a martini, it is not bad or evil, but it is not appropriate for kids.
You may look GREAT in a bikini, but it is not appropriate attire for a traditional funeral.
I may love to have a Lamborghini, but it is not appropriate as an only car for a family man with kids.

Also, having, loving and caring for YOUR OWN child is VERY different from the topic under discussion here. Isn't this thread discussing the appropriateness of placing a stranger, employed in what is absolutely an ADULTS ONLY endeavor, before a diverse group of young children, as a potential role model? What has that type of public spectacle got to do with the private events of a cam model & her family?

Rotfl....Are you kidding me? :lol:

 

[Jupiter551]

She better never have kids, either. Don't want children admiring their mama for being a good role model since she took a few dicks up her ass on film a time or ten.

Anal sex on video = good role model for children, did you really mean to imply that Amber :?

I think her, and other people's point was that having had anal sex previously hardly discounts peoples potential to be role models in other ways - unless you're suggesting sex is SO evil that it overshadows any possible good you might do. Like volunteering to improve childrens literacy for example.

Isn't this thread discussing the appropriateness of placing a stranger, employed in what is absolutely an ADULTS ONLY endeavor, before a diverse group of young children, as a potential role model? What has that type of public spectacle got to do with the private events of a cam model & her family?

She is a FORMER pornographic actress - that's a big difference. Yes it would absolutely be inappropriate for a practicing porn actress to show up at a grade school for publicity. The important point here is you seem to be insisting that because she had sex on film previously, she should be disqualified from ever being or working around children - basically as if she was a sex offender on some public list.

What this has to do with cam models is that by most definitions every model on this site is in some way or another performing or producing or selling pornography (we might call masturbating online for strangers who pay you something else, but most people would say it's porn). So anything you say regarding what pornstars should/shouldn't do applies to cam models too.

For example, if Amber decided to get a diploma and teach kindergarten after she retires from camming, are you suggesting it's inappropriate?? If so I think that's really judgemental and weird.

 

[Shaun__]

For example, if Amber decided to get a diploma and teach kindergarten after she retires from camming, are you suggesting it's inappropriate?? If so I think that's really judgemental and weird.

Shawn Loftis and Tera Myers both say that is a bad thing for her to do. Adult work is still very discriminated against in many places. I bet the people who fired these teachers watch it though. As long as Sasha was not shooting a porn as she read to the children I have no problem with her reading to them. I wish more people would take an active interest in helping children learn.

 

[Professor Snuggles]

I've been lurking for a while now and decided to finally register after I saw Oy Vey standing alone against you guys. I gotta side with them.

The difference between Sasha and cam models is she did MAINSTREAM porn. She's done tons of pro photo shoots, videos, magazines, etc. Heck, she has her own wikipedia page. Mainstream porn have award ceremonies and conventions. Sasha is pretty well known to a lot of people. Compared to a mainstream pornstar such as her, cam models, well, they may as well be nameless ghosts no one is aware of. To top it off, Sasha is one of the more nastier pornstars out there. I don't mean the 'aw heck ya that's hot!" nasty either. I mean the "ew wtf?" nasty. Obviously everyone's tastes vary.

Lets keep in mind that this story is kind of buzzing at the moment. It's was on yahoo homepage for almost 2 days. Lets also take note that these are 1st and 3rd graders and that it's 2011. Kids are smarter than they get credit for. I know I and probably a few of you have nephews or little cousins in this age group that have their own computer or access to one. They probably know how to use them better than some of us, having grown up in a more computer driven era. So the odds of a computer literate curious youth typing in "Sasha Grey" in Google search is zero? The odds that after they find out that in fact it was a pornstar reading to their class and them telling their friends, their friends then telling their friends, and so on until the whole school knows is also zero?

Kids are not stupid. They'll see that the grown ups allowed a pornstar to read to them. So not only does that tell them it's okay to be a pornstar, it's also okay for this person to be a role model because the grown ups gave the green light by allowing them to read to kids. This could be part of the reason parents are not to cool with Sasha reading to their kids. It creates the possibility that their child will confront them about porn, sex, anal, super anal, and mega gang-bangery anal. Not the sort of chat parents seem to enjoy having with their kids.

By this point, I imagine a couple of you don't think that's a problem. Maybe you don't plan on having kids or perhaps your moral compass is borked. Maybe you're just very open minded like Sunny Lane's parents, which seems to work great for them. Personally, if I had a daughter, I'd want her to pursue something a bit more meaningful and I'd encourage such a path. I already know society shuns people in the adult industry and I'd want my child to be able to talk about their career without being shunned or being stoned. If you think the only thing you're kid will ever be good at is fuckin' ... you're failing parenting. That's the problem these parent's fussing about this story have with it. Having a pornstar read to impressionable young kids could very well have increased the chances of one of those kids growing up to do porn, and the majority of parents want something better for their children.

I'm going to start winding this down and say that I can't cover all my bases in one post without it getting pretty long winded, and I probably won't post again. However, this is something that could go on for a while. For instance, I sound very anti-porn but I'm not. I make it sound like everyone is anti-porn by they probably are not either. But, it sounds like we are. I don't hate people in the adult industry. I'm not against it. I realize the world is a shitty place and we have little control over where we end up. I also realize for some people, a career in the adult industry IS their dream job. I also realize a number of others things, so keep that in mind before you jump on me.

Lastly, some life paths shut down other paths. There are pros and cons. Gains and losses. Wasn't there a thread some where around here warning ladies about things they should be aware of should they decide to do cam modeling? Like the possibility of someone recognizing you in public, your family finding out, whatever you put on the net following you for life, things like that? Obviously, some people going into certain professions should have an idea of what to expect and not to expect. For example, a super hardcore ex-pornstar probably shouldn't expect parent's to accept her interacting with elementary school kids. Most adult industry workers GET that. Very few attempt to cross the bridge and even fewer make it to the other side. It kinda makes Sasha look naive or... dumb. Maybe both.

It's also a tad bit silly to compare sex offenders to pornstars. They're both damned in this situation but for very different reasons. From my own observation, adult actors are some of the nicest, kind people on the planet. Sex offenders are some of the more evil people on the planet. I personally wouldn't care so much if my kid's teacher was an ex-pornstar. I wouldn't want my child growing up to be a pornstar, but I would want them to grow up being a nice and kind person, and being around nice people would probably help with that. Even if I lost that gamble, hopefully my child would still be a good person. On the other end, with a sex offender, your child may not come home from school, be alive, or any number of horrible things in between. Big difference.

~Bye!

 

[Oy vey]

What this has to do with cam models is that by most definitions every model on this site is in some way or another performing or producing or selling pornography (we might call masturbating online for strangers who pay you something else, but most people would say it's porn). So anything you say regarding what pornstars should/shouldn't do applies to cam models too.

Please read only the words I've written. I think I've made it clear that in my opinion public & private activities/lives are NOT the same and shouldn't be treated the same. I NEVER said that cam models do pornography YOU just did. Leave me out of it.

She is a FORMER pornographic actress - that's a big difference. Yes it would absolutely be inappropriate for a practicing porn actress to show up at a grade school for publicity. The important point here is you seem to be insisting that because she had sex on film previously, she should be disqualified from ever being or working around children - basically as if she was a sex offender on some public list.

Isn't your concept of FORMER a bit naive? Doesn't FORMER simply mean that Sasha just isn't producing new stuff now? When she became a "FORMER" did the public image that SHE created & profited from suddenly disappear? (Has this image even faded?) Did her videos suddenly disappear from the market place? Rather, I think, her video sales are now enjoying a boost due to recent publicity? Doesn't seem like much of a FORMER to me.

 

[Jupiter551]

She's not naive or dumb, she wants to push boundaries and the fact is there's been under-the-table discrimination against former adult industry workers for a while now.

Paths shut down other paths? I'm not aware of any legislation that permits discrimination against applicants based on their previous jobs.

1st and 3rd grade kids...let's see, so that's what, aged 5-7 or something? If they can get on a computer at age 5-7 and google porn (I personally don't think most of them would know what porn is but maybe I'm wrong) then that's not Sasha's fault.

Let's get another thing clear - Sasha isn't household-name famous for doing porn. She's famous for quitting it to go mainstream. Since she stopped she's become famous, before that she was well-known only to guys who watch porn, and even then no more famous in that niche audience than dozens of other actresses.

She's not performing fellatio in front of the kids, she's reading them kids books. I seriously doubt she introduced herself as Sasha Grey either (her porn name), so if the kids do find out who it is it'll be from their own parents or the media. Even then, exactly what is it you're afraid they might find out? That porn exists? You think 5 year olds are even going to know what porn is? yeah right.

Please read only the words I've written. I think I've made it clear that in my opinion public & private activities/lives are NOT the same and shouldn't be treated the same. I NEVER said that cam models do pornography YOU just did. Leave me out of it.

What? Camgirls selling videos of themselves having sex on the internet is hardly "private", they're doing exactly the same thing Sasha did except they're (usually) independent rather than being paid a fee by a studio or publisher. Your assertion is like saying bands that put out their own records aren't bands because they're not with a mainstream record company.

 

[ViruSphere]

For example, if Amber decided to get a diploma and teach kindergarten after she retires from camming, are you suggesting it's inappropriate?? If so I think that's really judgemental and weird.

Shawn Loftis and Tera Myers both say that is a bad thing for her to do. Adult work is still very discriminated against in many places. I bet the people who fired these teachers watch it though. As long as Sasha was not shooting a porn as she read to the children I have no problem with her reading to them. I wish more people would take an active interest in helping children learn.

Both of those actors could've sued for wrongful termination and won. Pornography is not illegal and doesn't show up on a criminal record. As long as they weren't showing their movies or other adult material to their class, their past career should not be a reason why they can't get a job as a teacher.

Lets keep in mind that this story is kind of buzzing at the moment. It's was on yahoo homepage for almost 2 days. Lets also take note that these are 1st and 3rd graders and that it's 2011. Kids are smarter than they get credit for. I know I and probably a few of you have nephews or little cousins in this age group that have their own computer or access to one. They probably know how to use them better than some of us, having grown up in a more computer driven era. So the odds of a computer literate curious youth typing in "Sasha Grey" in Google search is zero? The odds that after they find out that in fact it was a pornstar reading to their class and them telling their friends, their friends then telling their friends, and so on until the whole school knows is also zero?

Young children in that age group should not be using the Internet unsupervised. If one of the children Sasha read to finds her pictures and movies on the Internet, it's the parents' fault for not enabling parental controls, not Sasha's.

Kids are not stupid. They'll see that the grown ups allowed a pornstar to read to them. So not only does that tell them it's okay to be a pornstar, it's also okay for this person to be a role model because the grown ups gave the green light by allowing them to read to kids. This could be part of the reason parents are not to cool with Sasha reading to their kids. It creates the possibility that their child will confront them about porn, sex, anal, super anal, and mega gang-bangery anal. Not the sort of chat parents seem to enjoy having with their kids.

This is EXACTLY why Sasha's doing this!

I saw an opportunity ...to encourage men and women to not be afraid of who they are sexually, especially women because we’re still a minority and we’re still sexually repressed. I’d like to think of myself as somebody who has a voice for liberating female sexuality.

http://www.askmen.com/celebs/interview_ ... rview.html

What's wrong with discussing openly about sexual behaviour? Why is one of the most unique acts of humanity - the ability for two people to join and become one entity by literally inserting a part of a man's body inside of a woman's - so wrong to talk about? Substance abuse like drugs, cigarettes and alcohol are all common adult behaviours that we talk to our kids about. Why is talking about sex different?

By this point, I imagine a couple of you don't think that's a problem. Maybe you don't plan on having kids or perhaps your moral compass is borked. Maybe you're just very open minded like Sunny Lane's parents, which seems to work great for them.

You crossed the line there. You made points and defended them, but saying someone's moral compass is "borked" because their opinion differs from yours? I completely disagree. In a debate you're supposed to debate the points, not the person. Don't insult people because they view life differently from yours.

Personally, if I had a daughter, I'd want her to pursue something a bit more meaningful and I'd encourage such a path. I already know society shuns people in the adult industry and I'd want my child to be able to talk about their career without being shunned or being stoned. If you think the only thing you're kid will ever be good at is fuckin' ... you're failing parenting. That's the problem these parent's fussing about this story have with it. Having a pornstar read to impressionable young kids could very well have increased the chances of one of those kids growing up to do porn, and the majority of parents want something better for their children.

See, that's the problem with society. Why do they shun people in the adult industry? Why should actors and actresses who consently choose to be in this industry be villified like they're criminals? Sasha Grey is a very intelligent human being who chose to be in the adult industry to change people's perceptions on sex. MFC model TaylorTebow proudly states on her profile: "Occupation/Major: real estate leasing- I have a BA and also MBA *& can prove it!!" Many other MFC models are currently in college/university studying for a career. If all they were good at is "fuckin'" they wouldn't have the grades or work ethic to be accepted into these schools. Just because a person is in the adult industry doesn't mean they're unintelligent or can't get a job working somewhere else.

I don't have any children of my own, but I do have two nieces that I'm close with. I won't encourage them to enter the adult industry, but since I love them unconditionally I won't discourage, shun them or love them any less if that's the path in life they choose to follow.

Obviously, some people going into certain professions should have an idea of what to expect and not to expect. For example, a super hardcore ex-pornstar probably shouldn't expect parent's to accept her interacting with elementary school kids. Most adult industry workers GET that.

Sasha doesn't care what other people think of her. She is who he is, she has very strong opinions on sex and she's not afraid to hide behind some curtain because she's afraid being judged. She's trying to use her status as a well-known, intelligent, former adult actress to promote discussion on this topic. While some people may condemn her for doing this, other people like myself admire her courage and desire to reshape social norms.

Very few attempt to cross the bridge and even fewer make it to the other side. It kinda makes Sasha look naive or... dumb. Maybe both.

So, trying to succeed at something where previous people have failed makes her naive or dumb? By that statement, should we continue to keep searching for a cure for cancer or AIDS because previous attempts have failed? The common household oil WD-40 stands for Water Displacement 40th Attempt, meaning they failed 39 times before finding a formula that worked. Had they used your logic, they would've given up after the first attempt and we would be without this product today.

I personally wouldn't care so much if my kid's teacher was an ex-pornstar.

You completely contradicted yourself with this statement! Your entire post was about how it's inappropriate for Sasha Grey to read to schoolchildren,

if I had a daughter, I'd want her to pursue something a bit more meaningful and I'd encourage such a path... Having a pornstar read to impressionable young kids could very well have increased the chances of one of those kids growing up to do porn, and the majority of parents want something better for their children.

and then you say you wouldn't care if your kid's teacher was an ex-pornstar? That one line destroys every other argument you made in your post.


Phew, lots of rebuttals there. I love a good intelligent debate. :mrgreen:

 

[AedanRayne]

Your post may not be well received within a forum of sex workers (maybe it will??) but it sounds like you're aware of that. I want you to know that I enjoyed your well thought out post thoroughly and am happy to get a view from "the other side". Thanks for taking the time to join and post!

Also, your name and avatar makes me squeeeee! :-D

I've been lurking for a while now and decided to finally register after I saw Oy Vey standing alone against you guys. I gotta side with them.

The difference between Sasha and cam models is she did MAINSTREAM porn. She's done tons of pro photo shoots, videos, magazines, etc. Heck, she has her own wikipedia page. Mainstream porn have award ceremonies and conventions. Sasha is pretty well known to a lot of people. Compared to a mainstream pornstar such as her, cam models, well, they may as well be nameless ghosts no one is aware of. To top it off, Sasha is one of the more nastier pornstars out there. I don't mean the 'aw heck ya that's hot!" nasty either. I mean the "ew wtf?" nasty. Obviously everyone's tastes vary.

Lets keep in mind that this story is kind of buzzing at the moment. It's was on yahoo homepage for almost 2 days. Lets also take note that these are 1st and 3rd graders and that it's 2011. Kids are smarter than they get credit for. I know I and probably a few of you have nephews or little cousins in this age group that have their own computer or access to one. They probably know how to use them better than some of us, having grown up in a more computer driven era. So the odds of a computer literate curious youth typing in "Sasha Grey" in Google search is zero? The odds that after they find out that in fact it was a pornstar reading to their class and them telling their friends, their friends then telling their friends, and so on until the whole school knows is also zero?

Kids are not stupid. They'll see that the grown ups allowed a pornstar to read to them. So not only does that tell them it's okay to be a pornstar, it's also okay for this person to be a role model because the grown ups gave the green light by allowing them to read to kids. This could be part of the reason parents are not to cool with Sasha reading to their kids. It creates the possibility that their child will confront them about porn, sex, anal, super anal, and mega gang-bangery anal. Not the sort of chat parents seem to enjoy having with their kids.

By this point, I imagine a couple of you don't think that's a problem. Maybe you don't plan on having kids or perhaps your moral compass is borked. Maybe you're just very open minded like Sunny Lane's parents, which seems to work great for them. Personally, if I had a daughter, I'd want her to pursue something a bit more meaningful and I'd encourage such a path. I already know society shuns people in the adult industry and I'd want my child to be able to talk about their career without being shunned or being stoned. If you think the only thing you're kid will ever be good at is fuckin' ... you're failing parenting. That's the problem these parent's fussing about this story have with it. Having a pornstar read to impressionable young kids could very well have increased the chances of one of those kids growing up to do porn, and the majority of parents want something better for their children.

I'm going to start winding this down and say that I can't cover all my bases in one post without it getting pretty long winded, and I probably won't post again. However, this is something that could go on for a while. For instance, I sound very anti-porn but I'm not. I make it sound like everyone is anti-porn by they probably are not either. But, it sounds like we are. I don't hate people in the adult industry. I'm not against it. I realize the world is a shitty place and we have little control over where we end up. I also realize for some people, a career in the adult industry IS their dream job. I also realize a number of others things, so keep that in mind before you jump on me.

Lastly, some life paths shut down other paths. There are pros and cons. Gains and losses. Wasn't there a thread some where around here warning ladies about things they should be aware of should they decide to do cam modeling? Like the possibility of someone recognizing you in public, your family finding out, whatever you put on the net following you for life, things like that? Obviously, some people going into certain professions should have an idea of what to expect and not to expect. For example, a super hardcore ex-pornstar probably shouldn't expect parent's to accept her interacting with elementary school kids. Most adult industry workers GET that. Very few attempt to cross the bridge and even fewer make it to the other side. It kinda makes Sasha look naive or... dumb. Maybe both.

It's also a tad bit silly to compare sex offenders to pornstars. They're both damned in this situation but for very different reasons. From my own observation, adult actors are some of the nicest, kind people on the planet. Sex offenders are some of the more evil people on the planet. I personally wouldn't care so much if my kid's teacher was an ex-pornstar. I wouldn't want my child growing up to be a pornstar, but I would want them to grow up being a nice and kind person, and being around nice people would probably help with that. Even if I lost that gamble, hopefully my child would still be a good person. On the other end, with a sex offender, your child may not come home from school, be alive, or any number of horrible things in between. Big difference.

~Bye!

 

[AedanRayne]

I'll throw this out there...

I get it. I understand that parents do not want to have these conversations with their children, especially at such a young age. I don't blame parents for getting nervous when they hear that an ex porn star is visiting their child's school because they have to face the possibility that "the talk" will have to happen sooner rather than later. Being a parent in the sex industry is a bit different because we're well prepared to have "the talk" with our kids and we expect to have this talk when they are quite young.

There's an added fear for parents here because the mainstream porn star will surely bring the attention of the media. These kids do not have to hop on the computer to find out about Sasha Grey's past. Simple channel surfing while Mom is cooking dinner might take them to the 5 o'clock news where they will see the "nice lady" who read to them. Suddenly this "nice lady" is being called new and unknowingly to the child derogatory names which the parent might have to explain. Most parents do not want to explain what a "gang bang" is to their kid and do you blame them? Hell, I wouldn't even know how to go about explaining that to my own child and I am within the adult industry.

If you live in the US, then you should be aware that we're living in a Christian dominated society. You should also know that adult workers are not going to be well received by the community. Do I like it? Not a bit! Do I want it to change? Of course I do! However, I do not feel that a porn star such as Sasha Grey is going to change the views of the masses by reading to children.

 

[camstory]

Just a thing or two. My rant is saved as draft, that I might final it after a bit of sleep.
The news I pay attention to tends to be strictly boring pbs world shit. So I had no prior knowledge of Sasha Grey's exit from the porn world or of this drama involving the cries of anguish from those protectors of our endangered young souls. I would not be surprised if the suicide rate among these keepers of that which is moral, is not very high. It is only an unavailability of gun or bullets that would keep me from checking myself out, if I work up in the middle of the night and realized that it was my own action that gave life and power to all that which was wicked, and hellish.

And not saying she did, but if Sasha has at any time suggested her concern is with the children, she needs to save that shit, because anyone concerned with the kids involved, would give up the fight, regardless of being right.

And I have to say the niche I had experience with would place Sasha Grey in the top ten name known porn stars. I'm pretty sure if I had been asked to name as many porn stars as i could 2, 3 years ago Sasha would have been # 2 right behind Bella, and right before Bree. Not how my faves list would go, just likely how they might have registered.

 

[AmberCutie]

Phew, lots of rebuttals there. I love a good intelligent debate. :mrgreen:

 

[AmberCutie]

She better never have kids, either. Don't want children admiring their mama for being a good role model since she took a few dicks up her ass on film a time or ten.

Anal sex on video = good role model for children, did you really mean to imply that Amber :?

Maybe it wasn't worded the best, but my point was how silly it is to say someone can't be a good role model simply because they've done porn. That in your line of thinking, doing porn discredits all other things and you're nothing but a porn star forever after. Not a good mom, not a charitable person reading to school children, not someone to be trusted around kids. It's quite ridiculous.

Young children in that age group should not be using the Internet unsupervised. If one of the children Sasha read to finds her pictures and movies on the Internet, it's the parents' fault for not enabling parental controls, not Sasha's.

I had to repeat this for how true it is.

 

[ViruSphere]

Thanks Amber. One of my nieces is almost 8 years old, extremely intelligent and learned how to use a computer at a very young age. However, when she's using the computer she's either sitting on an adult's lap (one of her parents, uncles, grandparents, etc) or there's an adult in the room keeping an eye on her. I imagine they have Google SafeSearch on just to be safe as well. This isn't sheltering or being overprotective, it's watching your kids to prevent them from getting into trouble.

The computer and Internet are tools for accessing information in the same realm as a library. While libraries don't have pornography (I don't think at least, haven't been in one in a while), they do have books and materials with adult themes that shouldn't be viewed by minors. A parent with even some degree of intelligence wouldn't let their child wander around a library unsupervised. The same practice should apply to children using the Internet as well.

 

[Oy vey]

I'm not aware of any legislation that permits discrimination against applicants based on their previous jobs.

Ever hear of "Moral turpitude"? It's a clause they put into employment contracts/agreements a lot and is a legal concept in the United States that refers to conduct that is considered contrary to community standards of justice, honesty or good morals.

Paths shut down other paths?...She's not performing fellatio in front of the kids, she's reading them kids books. I seriously doubt she introduced herself as Sasha Grey either (her porn name), so if the kids do find out who it is it'll be from their own parents or the media. Even then, exactly what is it you're afraid they might find out? That porn exists? You think 5 year olds are even going to know what porn is? yeah right.

OK, let me try again. Sometimes the absurd example makes the point.
Would it be acceptable for a FORMER Grand Wizzard of the KKK to read to children? After all we can't block their path now because of a path they took previously. As long as they don't wear a white sheet & burn a cross in front of the little kiddo's is all good, right? Five year olds are already aware of racism aren't they? I mean, after all...they nave access to the internet & Google.

Your assertion is like saying bands that put out their own records aren't bands because they're not with a mainstream record company.

NO, my assertion is like saying a bubble gum artist might be appropriate to read to kids and a Gangstah Rapper who writes lyrics promoting the abuse of women, drug use & dealing, murder, theft, and other misc anti social behaviors would NOT be appropriate.

 

[LadyLuna]

I will give 10,00 tokens to the first person to show me the phrase "cam models are not human" in my original post.

This may sound very simplistic, but I think if you can't tell the kiddo's what a person does for a living, they probably shouldn't be brought in & placed in front of them to be admired.

So, just because I work as a webcam model, the fact that at 13 I changed the laws on adoption in the US shouldn't be brought up to kids as something to be admired?

Your statement that anyone in the adult industry should never be brought up to kids to be admired implies that there is nothing anyone in the adult industry did to be admired that NO ONE ELSE ever did. Which means we must not be human.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Sex shouldn't be something to fear, yo. I get that some parents might want to wait as long as humanly possible before they finally gift their kid with the bounty of sexual knowledge and that anything that might come into their child's life and prompt questions about the birds and the bees is viewed as a threat to their "innocence" or whatever, but... come on, this chick sucked a few dicks on cam and so fucking what?
If people had elected to stay calm and not go about angrily kicking up shitburgers cos' some woman who made her living having sex might be let in the same room as some kids, those kids wouldn't have ever known what the fuss was about.
All this kind of overreaction achieves is teaching kids that sex, or whatever it is that kids think sex is (at that age, without being told, they probably think it's a boat), is bad and evil and scary (and I guess it can be :?). Maybe that's the message these parents WANT to impart on their kids, I dunno. It all just strikes me as odd. :twocents-02cents:

 

[Lydia_Deetz]

NO, my assertion is like saying a bubble gum artist might be appropriate to read to kids and a Gangstah Rapper who writes lyrics promoting the abuse of women, drug use & dealing, murder, theft, and other misc anti social behaviors would NOT be appropriate.

Your point is invalid.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

just a quick thank you for the INTELLIGENT replies to this thread! This is how debate is supposed to look. And it's so healthy!

I wonder if perhaps it is her fame that is the problem, and what she is famous for .. not so much that she did porn.

For instance, if one of us was to do what she did it wouldn't cause a media frenzy that the children risk being exposed to. No one would know our names or care.

After thinking about it that way I get why parents could be angry..

 

[Oy vey]

Sorry Lydia_Deetz, I guess you're right. Sometimes outwardly bad people can be kind to children.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/20/article-1244754-0392A69D0000044D-680_468x449.jpg

 

[Shaun__]

I just saw this on twitter when Kitty_Wilde retweeted it. This tweet fit the topic so well I decided to post it here as well.

 

[schlmoe]

I have two distinct points here ( and these are not facts, just my opinion):

1. Is it wrong for Sasha to be reading to 2nd graders? No. She's not a killer, etc. And there is no evidence AT ALL that she would harm anybody, especially children. Is it "appropriate" for her to do so? My opinion, kind of "meh". I could go either way. If I was a parent and saw how she presented herself, I'd probably be OK. But I'd have to prepare myself for "the conversation" with my kid, because it could come up quicker than I would like. It appears that most of the posters here are all for her. Fine. It's not surprising, because the fact that we are here on ACF, shows that we are (most of us) are more enlightened than the majority of society. And that's the main issue: societal norms.

Sasha reading to 2nd graders is not what is getting us riled up. It's societal norms, or the frustration that they are not changing quickly enough. All the posters may be correct, but in their mind, "they ARE correct". But all the posts are preaching to the choir, so to speak. It's not going to change anything, because almost everyone in this little community agrees or mostly agrees that the blowback on the Sasha incident is wrong.

The societal norms ARE changing, albiet slowly. I remember when I first heard "shit" and "dick" on free TV (NYPD Blue). The language and the semi-nudity was played up in the media for the titallating and shock value, not beacuse it was more acceptable. Same goes for Entertainment Tonite profiling the Playboy celeb pictorials. And also for Kim Kardashian shooting for Playboy to "rehabilitate" her image after the leaked sex-tape. But still, none of these would have happened if the "norms" haven't changed a little.

Then there were the politicos snared in the net. Spitzer and the call-girl saga, the FB congressman sending the bare-chested photos. Truth be told, they should have had the crap slapped out of them for their hypocracy. But they were slapped out of their posts because sex is "bad" (I'm being simplistic here).

More evidence on societal norms: the great majority of posters here have assumed names or online personnas (myself included). I'm OK with that, as I support the general "anonymity" of the internet, and I understand the personal security issues that could be a concern. But still, there are a great deal of forum members who prefer the anonymity for other reasons. There are many threads here where models have stated that there family/friends don't know, and I suspect that there are many members that don't go down to the water cooler to talk about that "awesome" marshmallow creme show they saw last night. Hypocritical? No, not really. More that everyone knows and understands the "stigma" placed on sex due to societal norms, especially here in the States. Before you guys who live in "more enlightened" countries start bashing the US, please remember that we are still a "young country". And some of this country's founders were the "Puritains". They weren't called by that name because they washed their hands a lot. Where nudity is more accepted on TV and elsewhere in other countries, it's not yet done in the States partly for that reason.

So while most of us here don't believe sex is "bad", or being a worker in this industry makes you a "bad person", I think we all realize the stigma still exists.

I don't have any answer to bring upon this change quicker. I'll say this, though: discussing it here may make you feel better, but it's not going to do anything to change things. Go ahead and cast your stones at my glass house, because I'm not doing anything to make the change happen either.


2. My second point is probably less important and more of a commentary: The more I think about this, the more I believe it was totally a marketing ploy and for her self aggrandizement. And good for her! Bad publicity is better than no publicity, and free publicity is the best of all. She has most of the country talking about her, what's wrong with that? Nothing is wrong with that, except she became bigger than the "cause", she became the cause. Now don't think I'm getting down on her, I feel this way when most celebs get "involved" with charities. They are just there for the "photo op". There was another situation awhile back where some NFL players "helped" out on a Habitat for Humanity event. As the organizers hoped, it brought a lot of public interest. Many more volunteers signed up, and there were high hopes. What really happened was the players rolled in in their limos with their agents and assorted hanger-oners. They pretty much stayed just for the "photo op", most left soon after (1 or 2 players stayed), and after they left, a lot of the volunteers left as well. Take from that what you will.

I truly believe that if Sasha was interested in "good works", she could have signed up for the reading more anonymously. She could have left her agent behind. TMZ wouldn't have been notified. As an alternative, she could have written a check. Or she could have written and starred in a PSA for this reading program. Again, not just her, but when any celeb becomes bigger than the cause, they are not helping.

Thanks to all the posters, it's been interesting!

 

[MadisonLeigh]

Sorry Lydia_Deetz, I guess you're right. Sometimes outwardly bad people can be kind to children.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/20/article-1244754-0392A69D0000044D-680_468x449.jpg

....Did you really just compare Hitler to Sasha Grey?!? That's completely ludicrous. How does doing porn make her a bad person? Things that put you in the category of "bad person" are things like theft, assault, rape, murder. Not having sex on film.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I saw this story on the news and I thought about it long and hard.
Pardon the pun.
:lol:

I've come to the conclusion that perhaps if I had at the moment very small children, who were at 5-7 yrs old little girls who of course as kids are now, more computer literate than we want to admit...... I'm not sure now in retrospect if I would be in favor of Sasha grey being a guest story reader to my kids class.

Little girls and boys are very impressionable. He past profession is relevant. If she was just a teacher or an assistant, working under a new name trying to branch off into a "normal" everyday profession I'd say ok... everyone deserves that.

This is however, different. Sasha was not just a run of the mill porn star. She was doing what I personally consider borderline OMGWTF self destructive gross hardcore shit.

I have no problem with her reading to kids. Ithink If I had a little tiny daughter I would have some reservations simply because, you can google her name and instantly be shat on with.... OMGWTF.

Kids that little are not watching “Entourage" on HBO which is all of her "mainstream" acting. Like it or not, she's never going to escape being the anal gang bang queen.

And as a father, if it was my 6 yr old little girl, I am not so sure I would want her looking up from the floor of the class at this glamorous guest reader, who is pretty and rich and self confident being places in a position as a sort of role model to her. For that matter, I wouldnt want my little boy put in that position either.

To much too young. Sasha chose a career, she has to live with the limitations it put on her. My little kid and her class is not the place I want for her to make her "I'm not ashamed of my past" media stand.

I have no problem with porn actors, their profession or the level of kink they produce on film. However they do have to accept the fact that they are connected to a name, and a body of work, forever in teh google machine.

You're the anal gang bang queen. You didnt do tame, R rated hollywood stuff. You made a short career and seem to be fairly proud of what is commonly accepted as "fairly extreme" porn.

Would I have a problem with my little kid googling the guest readers name and seeing..... a sex video? Probably not. Kids are going to trip over that shit, you cant stop it.
Would I have a problem with the google search barfing up pages and pages of links to video of a woman being gang fucked in the ass repeatedly?

I would, yes. It has nothing to do with grey or her past profession. It has all to do with the impressionability of my 6 yr old when paired with a google search. I as a parent have not sent her/him to school to be exposed to this section of ADULT life.

It's a very hard position to explain to anyone who has never had to protect a small child's mind. The internet does a fine job of murdering your childhood, I dont think the kindergarden class needs to add any factors that nudge it along any faster.

It's a choice you make the first time you agree to be gang fucked in the ass on video you intend to distribute. This choice is going to severely limit your life in some ways, someday.... like it or don't.

 

[Lydia_Deetz]

I have elementary aged kids, and they are closely monitored on the internet. It is that easy.

That being said, both of my kids have already had the sex talk so explaining porn even if extreme, will be much easier now when it comes up.

This really comes down to educating your kids and monitoring their internet usage.

 

[SoTxBob]

Interesting this has a life of its own.. supposedly it took place at Compton Elementary Nov 2.... Where TMZ took the pictures of her reading to the kids.

I think the funniest thing about this whole ordeal, is that before the parents made such a fuss about it, the kids would have probably just forget about her in a couple of days because they regularly have 'celebs' come in and read to the kids a few times a year. But now after all this, you bet those kids are going to google her name .....

I guess the next thing to watch out for would be the hedgehog Ron Jeremy donning a Santa suit and sitting little [and big] kids on his lap. Yes, theres laws against discrimination but I bet he still wouldn't get the job... :violin:

And an anecdotal tidbit..... A webmaster I know that oversees a pornstar vid site says the hits to her thread are up over 1500% since the shit hit the fan .... :lol: :lol:

 

[LadyLuna]

Would I have a problem with my little kid googling the guest readers name and seeing..... a sex video? Probably not. Kids are going to trip over that shit, you cant stop it.
Would I have a problem with the google search barfing up pages and pages of links to video of a woman being gang fucked in the ass repeatedly?

I would, yes. It has nothing to do with grey or her past profession. It has all to do with the impressionability of my 6 yr old when paired with a google search. I as a parent have not sent her/him to school to be exposed to this section of ADULT life.

It's a very hard position to explain to anyone who has never had to protect a small child's mind. The internet does a fine job of murdering your childhood, I dont think the kindergarden class needs to add any factors that nudge it along any faster.

As long as she isn't using her porn name in the classroom and it isn't easily found out from her real name, there is no issue with that.

 

[Oy vey]

...Did you really just compare Hitler to Sasha Grey?!? That's completely ludicrous. How does doing porn make her a bad person? Things that put you in the category of "bad person" are things like theft, assault, rape, murder. Not having sex on film.

No Miss Leigh I actually didn't. That post was a response to one by Lydia_Deetz that showed a photo of Chris Brown reading to some kids. She felt it was an valid response to my contention that a Gangstah Rapper who writes lyrics promoting the abuse of women, drug use & dealing, murder, theft, and other misc anti social behaviors would NOT be an appropriate person to read to small children either. HEY LOOK, those are most of the items that YOU say define a "bad person". Imagine that...

 

[AmberCutie]

...Did you really just compare Hitler to Sasha Grey?!? That's completely ludicrous. How does doing porn make her a bad person? Things that put you in the category of "bad person" are things like theft, assault, rape, murder. Not having sex on film.

No Miss Leigh I actually didn't. That post was a response to one by Lydia_Deetz that showed a photo of Chris Brown reading to some kids. She felt it was an valid response to my contention that a Gangstah Rapper who writes lyrics promoting the abuse of women, drug use & dealing, murder, theft, and other misc anti social behaviors would NOT be an appropriate person to read to small children either. HEY LOOK, those are most of the items that YOU say define a "bad person". Imagine that...

Sometimes rappers are very different than their stage persona, though. They put on an act to sell records and make money, then are a complete sweetheart and do-gooder when behind the scenes. Take Lil' Jon for example. Did you see him on the Celebrity Apprentice? Holy shit he shocked me with how smart and innovative and respectful he was after hearing him rap about "grab dis dick it's yours BITCH". :lol:

In a slight sense it's comparable. Both Lil' Jon and Sasha do things while they're on the clock that youngsters shouldn't be exposed to. Although I'd say, if I had to pick between the 2 to read to my child? Probably Sasha since she pulls off the innocent look much better in her off-time. Lil' Jon's grill and bling the sunglasses indoors thing might be a tad too distracting and cause too many questions. :-D