San Francisco Wants To Criminalize Infant Circumcision

[Bocefish]

Circumcision is really the only medical thing that Men get the short end on. Our patriarchal society irks me to no end. I'm against so much government, but I definitely think doctors should have the right to choose not to perform inane surgery. That would really have more impact anyway. If a medical professional says "No. I'm opposed to that because it is brutal and unnecessary. Put your wallet away." It's going to sink in a lot more than The Man saying "That's Illegal".

If the US Government is too big to give us universal healthcare, it should stay out of our Dr/patient stuff entirely including birth control, abortion and circumcision. Veering slightly off topic, but has anyone read about the proposed bill in Kansas that would allow Drs to withhold information about a pregnancy up to and including risk to the mother's life if they fear she may abort a fetus? It also absolves them of any malpractice suits if the mother is harmed or dies. How grotesque is that? :shock:

Those are some interesting topics, but please start a new thread or try to stick to the one here.

 

[Rose]

From a "parental" standpoint, when I was a full time nanny for several infant boys, I cleaned their circumcision areas with every single diaper change and in between if they had been wearing that diaper for awhile. If you are aware what proper hygeine is and actually listen to how the doctor instructs you on how to clean it, it's really no big deal. I was 15 at the time when I was live in nanny and had to watch the first little boy who had gotten snipped. I stayed home with him, alone all day, and was able to care for him to the point that he healed with no scaring in a timely manner. Who'd guess that a 15 year old girl would be able to properly care for a circumcised infant?! If you're going to be a dumbass and not clean the diaper area properly then of course there will be an infection. Heck, you'll probably give the poor thing diaper rash while you're at it! You're supposed to clean everything thoroughly with diaper changing anyways so your arguments for why it's going to get infected with proper care seem completely silly to me. Any decent parent will know how to properly care for the incision areas and won't let their child "stew" to cause an infection.

 

[Mirra]

First I will say I am cut and glad it was done. I'm extra glad it was done when it is the lowest risk to my health and before any memories develop (my earliest memories are sporadic and start at 3). It is the decision I would have made for myself so I lucked out. Some guys may feel the opposite of me and that's fine. My personal experience is mine.

Part of being a parent is making decisions for your kid. In regards to all of that, the only debate is where you draw the line on what decisions they should or should not be allowed to make. I personally feel furious that some politicians feel we shouldn't tell corporations what they can and cannot do while at the same time feel they should be allowed to dictate what a family can and cannot do. It's absolute bullshit. Making it flat out illegal should not happen.

As for the benefits of one or the other, I'll probably research more about that when I find myself married with a boy on the way. Right now it's not important to me.

 

[JickyJuly]

Circumcision is really the only medical thing that Men get the short end on. Our patriarchal society irks me to no end. I'm against so much government, but I definitely think doctors should have the right to choose not to perform inane surgery. That would really have more impact anyway. If a medical professional says "No. I'm opposed to that because it is brutal and unnecessary. Put your wallet away." It's going to sink in a lot more than The Man saying "That's Illegal".

If the US Government is too big to give us universal healthcare, it should stay out of our Dr/patient stuff entirely including birth control, abortion and circumcision. Veering slightly off topic, but has anyone read about the proposed bill in Kansas that would allow Drs to withhold information about a pregnancy up to and including risk to the mother's life if they fear she may abort a fetus? It also absolves them of any malpractice suits if the mother is harmed or dies. How grotesque is that? :shock:

Those are some interesting topics, but please start a new thread or try to stick to the one here.

It's page 5. How much longer can y'all talk about baby peen? Just keeping things peppy. Hehehe.

 

[Bocefish]

It's page 5. How much longer can y'all talk about baby peen? Just keeping things peppy. Hehehe.

Nobody is making you read it.

 

[JickyJuly]

It's page 5. How much longer can y'all talk about baby peen? Just keeping things peppy. Hehehe.

Nobody is making you read it.

The only off topic thing I said had a disclaimer before it that made it clear enough for you to skip without a snippy point out that I went off topic. BUT, hey, I don't have a phallus. So, I guess I'll just back out of the wiener war you all have going over here. Swashbuckle away men.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Haven't read through the whole thread, but I'll add my :twocents-02cents: from what I did see. I don't like the penis bashing. There are pro's and con's to both. Just like when guys bash girls about something they can't help (natural boob size for example), I don't think people should be bashing guys who are cut or uncut. Reading things like, "Ewww uncut penors are SO gross!" can be pretty hurtful to someone who is uncut.

 

[Shaun__]

If the US Government is too big to give us universal healthcare, it should stay out of our Dr/patient stuff entirely including birth control, abortion and circumcision. Veering slightly off topic, but has anyone read about the proposed bill in Kansas that would allow Drs to withhold information about a pregnancy up to and including risk to the mother's life if they fear she may abort a fetus? It also absolves them of any malpractice suits if the mother is harmed or dies. How grotesque is that? :shock:

I heard about that, and I have to ask why any woman would vote to put people like that in office. They clearly think that their beliefs are more important than a persons life. The people who are trying to get that passed should never be allowed to have sex again, just in case they get someone pregnant and she decides to abort. After all preventing that is their goal so they should be happy.

 

[Jupiter551]

Brilliant comparison about baby breast augmentation. :roll: I guess you failed to comprehend the word WOMAN in my sentence.

So now it's the post circumcision care that is the real danger? Where is your evidence of that?

This thread is about children, and I have no problem with you getting circumcised then using weights to stretch you skin out over time then doing it again if you want. People do use weights to restore the appearance of an uncircumcised penis, in case anyone did not know this was possible. The woman who gets breast augmentation is an adult and made the choice to take the risks on. The pictures I posted are from an infection acquired post circumcision, and they look a lot like evidence to me.

I guess you missed the relevant part of the quote Boce posted from an American urologist (not to imply that a urologist is any more qualified on this subject than you Shaun_)

A circumcision in childhood is a rapid outpatient procedure; a circumcision after adulthood can be traumatic, painful, and substantially more expensive. A procedure costing $250 in the newborn period would cost $5000 in adulthood due to the need for anesthesia and perioperative care. Any type of blanket ban on a circumcision until the age of consent so ignores the real medical necessities of circumcision in some cases, that the concept is beyond contemplation; it is medically irresponsible and dangerous.

 

[Jaydenrainey]

Circumcision is really the only medical thing that Men get the short end on. Our patriarchal society irks me to no end. I'm against so much government, but I definitely think doctors should have the right to choose not to perform inane surgery. That would really have more impact anyway. If a medical professional says "No. I'm opposed to that because it is brutal and unnecessary. Put your wallet away." It's going to sink in a lot more than The Man saying "That's Illegal".

If the US Government is too big to give us universal healthcare, it should stay out of our Dr/patient stuff entirely including birth control, abortion and circumcision. Veering slightly off topic, but has anyone read about the proposed bill in Kansas that would allow Drs to withhold information about a pregnancy up to and including risk to the mother's life if they fear she may abort a fetus? It also absolves them of any malpractice suits if the mother is harmed or dies. How grotesque is that? :shock:

their is fuckery like this going on which ive never heard of but ive heard of the circumcision ban.
patriarchal indeed.
the thing ive really learned from this thread is that men really really love their penises. like more than i love my vagina(and i think my vagina is pretty neat)and more than i think i could ever love my lovers penis.

 

[Shaun__]

I guess you missed the relevant part of the quote Boce posted from an American urologist (not to imply that a urologist is any more qualified on this subject than you Shaun_)

A circumcision in childhood is a rapid outpatient procedure; a circumcision after adulthood can be traumatic, painful, and substantially more expensive. A procedure costing $250 in the newborn period would cost $5000 in adulthood due to the need for anesthesia and perioperative care. Any type of blanket ban on a circumcision until the age of consent so ignores the real medical necessities of circumcision in some cases, that the concept is beyond contemplation; it is medically irresponsible and dangerous.

Looks like he is saying their are times it is a medically required procedure. Sometimes babies are born without anuses, but doctors only preform corrective surgery on those babies. They do not give everyone born a new butthole.

 

[Shaun__]

Found some medical type stuff for you.

How will you know if circumcision is right for your son?

Circumcision is not usually medically needed. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) does not recommend circumcision as a routine procedure for newborn males. When making this policy, the AAP looked at the possible benefits, risks, and costs of the procedure.1 Other major medical organizations, including the American Medical Association and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, agree with the AAP policy.

When you make this decision, it may help you to think about your personal and cultural preferences. For example, you may want to consider your religious and family traditions while you weigh the pros and cons of the surgery. It is your decision whether to keep your son's penis natural or have your son circumcised.
What problems can occur if your son is circumcised?

Problems from circumcision are not common. If they occur, they are usually minor. The most common circumcision problems are:

Bleeding.
Blockage of the opening of the urethra (meatal stenosis).
Infection of the circumcision site.
Irritation of the exposed tip of the penis.

More serious problems are rare. They include damage to the opening of the urethra, heavy bleeding that requires stitches, severe infection, and scarring.

 

[AshaSnow]

Honestly every story I've read about adult males who have had to get circumcised has just seemed awful. It's usually because their foreskin is too tight and pulls when erect. It can be extremely painful, and the surgery moreso. None of the guys whose stories I've read have seemed to have any issues with being less sensitive after their circumcision. I'd rather just get it done on my future son(s) when they are babies rather than risk the chance that they develop issues. Maybe one day our problems will all be solved when genetic testing can determine if a child is likely to develop issues of a tight foreskin or whatnot and then you can decide based on evidence rather than guessing and hoping you're right.

 

[SoTxBob]

Really? 5 pages of this about circumcision.... you can bitch at each other till the cows come home and none of you will have accomplished convincing other that you're 'more right' than the anyone else .... :lol: :lol: :lol:
:violence-stickwhack: :violence-swords:



:romance-grouphug:

 

[Rose]

Really? 5 pages of this about circumcision.... you can bitch at each other till the cows come home and none of you will have accomplished convincing other that you're 'more right' than the anyone else .... :lol: :lol: :lol:
:violence-stickwhack: :violence-swords:



:romance-grouphug:

I shall challenge you to a duel! :violence-fencing: Pull out yer sword me harty! (I hope you don't mind if mine is glass) :violence-swords:

 

[Shaun__]

Really? 5 pages of this about circumcision.... you can bitch at each other till the cows come home and none of you will have accomplished convincing other that you're 'more right' than the anyone else .... :lol: :lol: :lol:
:violence-stickwhack: :violence-swords:



:romance-grouphug:

Sometimes hearing these kind of things makes people at least consider their actions. Even if I changed no ones mind or opinions at least I made the attempt. The only failure would have been if I had never tried at all.

 

[Jupiter551]

Really? 5 pages of this about circumcision.... you can bitch at each other till the cows come home and none of you will have accomplished convincing other that you're 'more right' than the anyone else .... :lol: :lol: :lol:
:violence-stickwhack: :violence-swords:



:romance-grouphug:

Sometimes hearing these kind of things makes people at least consider their actions. Even if I changed no ones mind or opinions at least I made the attempt. The only failure would have been if I had never tried at all.

Yeah but you're kinda treating it as if it's a pressing human rights issue up there with sex-slave trafficking.

 

[JickyJuly]

Some of you are fighting about the wrong thing. The point (hehe, punny) isn't whether you like or dislike circumcision, whether your future child will experience the surgery, how you feel about turtlenecked peens or even your emotions regarding your own experience with circumcision. The issue is whether the US Government should (or can) tell parents what to do in place of a medical professional.

America uses legislation in place of Education far to often, and that is dangerous. :snooty:

 

[Shaun__]

Yeah but you're kinda treating it as if it's a pressing human rights issue up there with sex-slave trafficking.

I have hardly put any effort at all in this. The biggest time sink in this thread has been my slow typing. Circumcision of both types is so unpopular that finding information on it is ridiculously easy.

I would hate to see what this forum would say if the members ever saw me work hard.

Some of you are fighting about the wrong thing. The point (hehe, punny) isn't whether you like or dislike circumcision, whether your future child will experience the surgery, how you feel about turtlenecked peens or even your emotions regarding your own experience with circumcision. The issue is whether the US Government should (or can) tell parents what to do in place of a medical professional. America uses legislation in place of Education far to often, and that is dangerous. :snooty:

I think everybody already said they opposed legislation, so there is no one to argue with over it.

 

[sorrowfool]

America uses legislation in place of Education far to often, and that is dangerous. :snooty:

People don't seem to listen to logic and reason most of the time. You can stress the importance of this or that and people are just going to ignore facts and evidence if it goes against their already established beliefs or is too inconvenient.

However, I feel this is a family issue, and not something the government should have any say in.

 

[LadyLuna]

Never had a woman turn down free dick.

I call bullshit! Unless your dick is made of gold, tastes like chocolate, and cums fudge.

mmm fudge...

 

[SoTxBob]

LmAo.. perfect ! :laughing-rolling:

 

[Nordling]

Never had a woman turn down free dick.

I call bullshit! Unless your dick is made of gold, tastes like chocolate, and cums fudge.

mmm fudge...

:lol: Yeah, in the context of the thread his comment makes little sense, unless he meant "free of foreskin." lol

 

[Jupiter551]

Never had a woman turn down free dick.

I call bullshit! Unless your dick is made of gold, tastes like chocolate, and cums fudge.

mmm fudge...

:lol: Yeah, in the context of the thread his comment makes little sense, unless he meant "free of foreskin." lol

or as the brits would say "never had a woman turn down free willy"

 

[Nordling]

<grits teeth> No! I will not make an orca joke.

 

[LadyLuna]

Never had a woman turn down free dick.

I call bullshit! Unless your dick is made of gold, tastes like chocolate, and cums fudge.

mmm fudge...

:lol: Yeah, in the context of the thread his comment makes little sense, unless he meant "free of foreskin." lol

or as the brits would say "never had a woman turn down free willy"

<grits teeth> No! I will not make an orca joke.

You didn't need to make the joke Nordling, your post still made me laugh!

 

[Jupiter551]

:lol: Yeah, in the context of the thread his comment makes little sense, unless he meant "free of foreskin." lol

or as the brits would say "never had a woman turn down free willy"

<grits teeth> No! I will not make an orca joke.

You didn't need to make the joke Nordling, your post still made me laugh!

Wtf lol he didn't make the joke, *I* made the joke he just commented on it! :violence-smack: