Public Opinion of Cam Girls

[mynameisbob84]

So, I was watching Celebrity Big Brother (the UK version) - don't judge me - and one of the housemates just revealed that she did/does "interact with men and women online in exchange for money and gifts" - which I'm taking to mean she is/was a cam girl. The other housemates are now talking about her like she's guilty of hiding turds in everyone's shoes.

The whole thing struck me as odd for two reasons:

1. I never thought of the "public" (in this case represented by the other housemates) as having an opinion on cam girls to begin with - I never realised camming was big enough for there to even be a public opinion, ya know?

and

2. That the housemates reacted so badly to her "revelation". The Situation (I can't believed I'm typing a sentence in which I'm referring to a real life person as "The Situation") seems legitimately upset by it all for some reason.

Have you bbs (and members) noticed a consensus when it comes to public opinion on camming - good or bad? There seems to be this weird stigma attached to it that I can only attribute to ignorance.

 

[Jupiter551]

I think it's easy for us, as people who spend time conversing with camgirls as real human beings, to forget that much of society doesn't actually see them as such...

All adult work suffers from this kind of prejudice, and perhaps even more unfortunate sometimes are even prejudiced to each other (I find it sad when a camgirl speaks about escorts as if they're somehow morally bankrupt).

 

[bob]

i don't know about consensus bob....but my son (33) sees it as porn (and so it's "bad")...but he also thinks its stupid because he can watch the tubes for free (yeah....he has a real clear take on the world :lol, while my daughter (20) is cool with the whole idea of it (and even a little intriqued)....their world views and resulting personalities are very different, and so their views on it are understandable to me

but that's the limit of my personal experience vis a vis the topic in real

in camland....i was drawn like a moth to the lights of eastern european women, and the vast majority of models i actually know and talk to about stuff that isn't a body part are from that part of the world.....my friend's list is small, tho, so this is by no means a consensus either.....but to a person, i've been told that their families would be horrified to know the real nature of that generic "call center" ( :-D ) that most of them work in each day :whistle:

one of them recently settled into a live-in situation with her bf tho, and she felt so good about this guy that she levelled with him early on their relationship.....he had some questions and had some issues, but was generally accepting of it as a short term solution to her economic independence.....she even works from their home now....

i could write buckets about how camland integrates itself into the lives of my friend's list....but it would probably only be interesting to me

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Say in Big Brother they are in competition with each other, it is in their interests to take anything someone says that might not be accepted by the public and turn it into something horrible they can bitch about and make the other person look bad.

I had a flatmate a while back, she knew what I did when she moved in and was perfectly ok with it, but when she turned out to be a nutter and started trashing my flat with her friends I kicked her out. Since then her and her very mature friends have hurled abuse at me in the street, accusing me of being a slag etc, made prank calls pretending to be police saying I'm a prostitute etc even though actually the whole bunch of them sleep around massively and I don't.

If people want to hate then they will say very nasty stuff about people for any reason, could be because people who are different to them, or maybe they see camgirls as a threat. I'm very open about my job, although I'm not going to go telling my grandparents (who would be shocked because of their age). Most people I know either don't care what I do, maybe find it funny, are intrigued, congratulate me for having the courage to actually do it, say they wish they could do it etc. The only negatives are from people who don't like me for some reason already, or sometimes I get guys who think because I do it for work I'm going to give them free shows, but those kind of guys will try even if they don't know I do it for work. Um yeah, maybe if I'm actually fucking you or you pay me!

Some women are extremely against porn of any kind, and some guys hate the idea that other men pay for porn (pretty much angry basic mindset). One guy (who's a total douche) went on at me about how sad the guys must be and how he'd never have to pay for that stuff, well yeah, he's very good looking and his family owns the whole town I live in, there's a stick so far up his arse he'd never be able to sit at a computer watching girls camming even if he wanted to!

 

[DivSavel]

Absolutely there is a stigma surrounding it. I've found that many people think of us as prostitutes. Others think of us as pornstars which is closer to the truth but still doesn't really describe it accurately. I had a friend who was so worried for me and talked about me "getting out of it soon" as if it was a huge miserable thing I had to deal with. She probably thought of the pornstars who get their videos titled "Dirty cumslut takes it in all holes" or the girls who get said holes spit on. Which, btw, huge fucking turn off when I'm watching porn. :?

I explained to her that no, it isn't anything like she thinks it is. I encouraged her to come in my room and hang out with me. She found out pretty quickly that my room is actually filled with respectful members. A lot of what I do is talking about games, politics, life in general, stopping here and there to dance or play the ocarina while earning up for a show. She was pretty surprised. I play with myself in private, sure, but really what girl doesn't play with herself now and again? I just do it more often (which has been the case long before camming) than many girls.

A lot of people assume being a camgirl means you have no self respect, too. "OH, men see you naked so you must think you're only worth x tokens that's so sad!" Erm, no. When all is said and done, I choose when I want to be naked and no one is permitted to demand ANYTHING from me. I don't care how much money you've got, I'm not pretending I'm 12, I'm not pretending I'm your daughter and I'm REALLY not going to fuck a dog or a random dude. I'm comfortable with my nudity and sexuality, that doesn't mean I don't respect these features of me. It just means I'm not as embarrassed or afraid of such things as many women are. I respect myself and my significant other, who completely and totally supports me in all that I do.

When you get down to it it's good old-fashioned slut shaming. That old saying that a man can fuck anyone he wants and be called a pimp or a stud is still true today. Many people(particularly guys) would think that means something positive, not negative, about him as a person. Heaven forbid a woman fucks HERSELF repeatedly, that means she's a sinful harlot doomed to a life of being ridiculed. I don't see the logic behind it, but then again a lot of common perceptions have no logical backing to them.

 

[Poker_Babe]

I think it's easy for us, as people who spend time conversing with camgirls as real human beings, to forget that much of society doesn't actually see them as such...

All adult work suffers from this kind of prejudice, and perhaps even more unfortunate sometimes are even prejudiced to each other (I find it sad when a camgirl speaks about escorts as if they're somehow morally bankrupt).

Uhh actually I've always noticed it as being the other way around. I usually hear cam girls talk about escorts like they have a much harder job and deserve the money they make. But I've seen many post from escorts talking down about cam girls. That's just what I've noticed anyways.

 

[AmazingAshlee]

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[SoTxBob]

:-D

 

[Evvie]

I think it's easy for us, as people who spend time conversing with camgirls as real human beings, to forget that much of society doesn't actually see them as such...

All adult work suffers from this kind of prejudice, and perhaps even more unfortunate sometimes are even prejudiced to each other (I find it sad when a camgirl speaks about escorts as if they're somehow morally bankrupt).

Uhh actually I've always noticed it as being the other way around. I usually hear cam girls talk about escorts like they have a much harder job and deserve the money they make. But I've seen many post from escorts talking down about cam girls. That's just what I've noticed anyways.

There isn't really a sex worker sisterhood out there, at least as far as I've seen. Sure, we're like a big sorority here but that's because we all hang out together. The "model screencaps" or "man on cam" thread could be seen as anger or harassment towards other models who don't do things how we want them to do. When I see models doing some things on cam (like the boy-toy coke orgy going on a few days ago), I got irritable and called the model out, and was glad when she was banned. That's a pretty damn bitchy thing to do when I should be supportive of all cam models, especially because it's not my place to judge. But I did it anyway.

People find a group that protects and supports them, and all others need to be taken down. It's really cool when some people have a really healthy zen "we should all accept each other" mindset, but most people do not, and if they do it's more likely to be selective than not.

Imo, it's pretty difficult to be universally accepting of everyone.

In the sex worker industry, it may be something more devious (she really doesn't feel that good about her job, but at least she's not a degraded escort/stripper/camgirl), simply protective (Why is that asshole talking shit about my girlfriends, at least we're not escorts/strippers/camgirls), or maybe just truly ignorant or bitchy. Unified dislike of an opposing group brings people together.

People are just people. I think universal acceptance is a good thing, but I don't think it will happen.

 

[LadyLuna]

When you get down to it it's good old-fashioned slut shaming. That old saying that a man can fuck anyone he wants and be called a pimp or a stud is still true today. Many people(particularly guys) would think that means something positive, not negative, about him as a person. Heaven forbid a woman fucks HERSELF repeatedly, that means she's a sinful harlot doomed to a life of being ridiculed. I don't see the logic behind it, but then again a lot of common perceptions have no logical backing to them.

I think I just figured this one out.

"HOW DARE SHE FUCK HERSELF INSTEAD OF ME!"

 

[Rose]

Down here it's not accepted among strangers but supported among friends. A few semesters back, a lady that I sat next to in class but didn't socialize with found out that I did "fetish modelling" and flipped out on me on evening after class ended. I hadn't really had any prior interaction with this woman aside from asking if she had finished the homework or passing her a worksheet. She said she would "pray for my soul that I stuck with school so I could escape from the sex industry".

Due to the nature of this career choice, it's to be expected that some people will react that way. It just comes with the territory. It's just easier to only tell people you've established a relationship with than to go around spouting it to strangers and be met with backlash and judgement.

 

[Diana Blake]

I'm fairly honest about what I do, I don't hide it from many because for the most part I don't see the point. The people that are going to hate me for it and judge me for it aren't the people whose opinion I care about. I do a job that simultaneously makes me feel sexy, gives me freedom, is hella fun and makes me happy...if people judge me for it then it's obvious they either aren't informed or don't want to be. They want to feel like they're better than me and if that means ignoring information about me and my job that would be freely given that's their choice.

It's a surprisingly human concept. It's just like Heaven and Hell. Humanity has an instinctual need to categorize who is better than the next, which specimen is superior. Some theorize that the reason for almost all social and societal forces like religion, tradition, political choices and social structure stems from the human need to feel dominant. We created concepts like Heaven and Hell to tell us where everyone matched up. If you're a sinner, I'm better than you. If I'm pious and good and listen to whatever the scripture I align with tells me than I'm better than anyone that doesn't.

Once upon a time when we were still using spears to catch our dinner we used this form of judgement more primitively; who was stronger, who was faster, who brought back the most food... As we evolved the simpler concepts melted away and things like who argues best, who makes the most money, who sleeps with the most women, who has the most moral superiority became suddenly more important. Religion used to be a "good" way to judge who was superior. When people became more accepting of religion things like sexual orientation, color, social cliques became the way to judge everyone around you. People that feel they've evolved beyond judging people on these factors still have the inborn need to judge, it's an instinct we may never manage to evolve out of. So, things like your job and your sexual freedom become something to judge.

Over time those who flaunted moral superiority made sure that more and more things were considered obscene so that they could abstain from them and appear better by comparison. Sex workers used to be considered a valuable and important group. It seems stupid in its simplicity and common sense but people used to understand that sex feels good and is therefore good for you. As early as the Victorian Era being a male bisexual was considered to be more manly. These days female bisexuals are accepted but males are held in contempt. Being a sex worker is pretty much the same. You have feminists and GLBT groups speaking out for sexual freedom for everyone, bemoaning things like the stigma placed on women that choose to sleep with whatever partners they wish or same-sex marriages but at the same time they scream at people like us. Condemn us as those that would degrade women, objectify ourselves for money. While they scream for sexual freedom they denounce ours because it makes them feel like they're winning.

We're not objectifying ourselves, we're not debasing ourselves or sending a message about women, we're simply doing something that makes us happy with the added side effect of paying our bills. Unfortunately our society still holds on to so much sexual taboo that it will probably be generations if not more before sex workers are considered a valuable part of society as they were in many cultures in our far-flung past. Sorry, I have a habit of rambling a bit on this particular subject.

I do tend to get a little wordy at times...sorry.

 

[UncleThursday]

Nerdgasm, you'll also find many feminazis will almost spit upon any girl working in any sort of sex-business way. They feel that it's degrading to women and that the women who do it feel no self respect for themselves or the feminine gender.

Even when it comes out that women in the porn industry make more than men, especially popular porn actresses; camgirls have nigh on complete control over what goes on in their respective rooms; escorts have all the control in their line of work, etc., they feel that these women are degrading themselves.

I recall some interview a while back where some porn star was asked why she got into porn, and if it was because she was abused as a child, had no father figure, etc. Her response was basically... I like sex, and this job lets me do something I like and get paid for it. Hell, it might have even been on Oprah or something, lord knows she always tries to seem all holier than thou.

So, why do cam models cam? There's obviously the potential income. But, some may like feeling in control over the men who pay for their cam services. Some may just be really horny girls who figure, fuck it, if I'm going to masturbate, I might as well get paid for it. Some may be exhibitionists who just enjoy showing themselves off on cam for others. There's a multitude of reasons, I'm sure.

Hell, if I had a daughter looking for extra income, I'd rather she be a cam girl than a stripper. Not that I dislike strippers or anything, but being a cam girl can be a lot safer than being a stripper. There's no guys in your face trying to grope you, or worse. A much lower chance of someone following you home after work and doing things to you. Etc.

Some girls I know think it's odd I talk to cam girls. But, I just have to tell them... Cam girls are people, too.

 

[lexmark402003]

Well, at least the Republicans (Christian extremists) and Democrats (feminists) haven't tried to ban web cams yet.

Though I'm sure they'll get around to it sooner or later.

I'm a Libertarian, I've never understood why some free adult citizens get upset and feel the need to force their version of "morality" on other free adult citizens.

If you like porn/camming/prostitution/whatever, go for it.

If you don't, then don't purchase the product.

What is so damned hard about that?

 

[AllisonWilder]

If you like porn/camming/prostitution/whatever, go for it.

If you don't, then don't purchase the product.

What is so damned hard about that?

Because unfortunately opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

 

[LadyLuna]

If you like porn/camming/prostitution/whatever, go for it.

If you don't, then don't purchase the product.

What is so damned hard about that?

"But... but... she's corrupting my CHILDREN!" :roll:

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I have a hypocritical view of the stigma related to sex work. I started off stripping in a very conservative area, and because of that there was 1; not very many clubs, and 2; not very many girls willing to "whore themselves out for money" (yeahhh bible belt!). It was beautiful. Not a lot of competition, tons and tons of customers curious about this "seedy underbelly of society", or just a guy who wants to talk to a girl about his <insert incredibly tame fetish here>. The money was really, quite nice.

Then, I moved to a very liberal city, where sex work isn't considered much different than bartending or whatever, nobody cares, and there's more strip clubs, more girls, more competition, less customers spread thin over many clubs, less customers because it's so open you don't have to go to a stripclub to talk about sex with a girl, etc. NO MONEY. Even though I loved where I was living, trying to make it in this new environment and being unable to get night shifts at any of the clubs because there were too many girls and making 25 dollars a day was really shitty.

Part of why sex work is high paying is because it's taboo. Back home, I could judge someone's openmindedness by their opinion of pornography and the adult industry (most of the time, y'know). That doesn't work here. It's not that people are more openminded, really; it's just more socially accepted. I kind of miss the days when I knew most girls whose opinions I didn't care about anyway thought that I was a whore, and because of that my income was higher. It made me really laugh that little did these girls that hated me know they were actually helping me.

That's the thing I like about the internet, is that people are from all over. Then again, most people on the internet are immersed in internet culture, which is in itself a completely different thing. It comes with it's own set of pre-conceived notions (that pornography should be free, etc). On the internet sex is everywhere, which in itself is a difficult thing to compete with. Showing your boobs is simply not enough in this environment. I love it because it forces me to be creative and set myself apart from others, but at the same time I kind of miss the simplicity of "hey here's my tits, these are super valuable because I'm a whore for showing them to you."

 

[sahi]

So, I was watching Celebrity Big Brother (the UK version) - don't judge me - and one of the housemates just revealed that she did/does "interact with men and women online in exchange for money and gifts" - which I'm taking to mean she is/was a cam girl. The other housemates are now talking about her like she's guilty of hiding turds in everyone's shoes.

I know who you mean. Her name is Danica. Don't think she's ever been a camgirl, well she was/is in a way. Not on a adult site, but maybe talking to guys in a non-nude/non-sexual way on cam, 1 to 1. She was on a show over here in the UK a few months back called 'Sex, Lies and Rinsing Guys'. It was a really interesting programme.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-05- ... -channel-4
I found a download link on one of these torrent sites if anyone wants to see it, very insightful programme.
http://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=sex+lies+and+rinsing

 

[loveyougipsy]

I don't know about the US but in Europe I think you'll find opinions differ widely between countries and social groups in the countries. The view of the masses vs the views of individuals usually varies widely.

I know what my parents and some of my friends would think, but i also know what other friends would think.

I'm currently working in a country where prostitution and drugs are legal. Even when I was young 3 things it was known for was being the hardcore porn capital of europe, legal prostitution and legal drugs. Everything else about the country was irrelevant if you asked anyone, especially in the UK.

Now many, many years later when I tell people which country i'm in, the first responses are always about drugs and red light districts. So much for progress.

I think the sad truth is so many TV programs and news articles are made to prove the premise of exploitation or trafficing the voices of reason and the realities of life are unheard by the masses. It doesn't matter if someone Cams because they enjoy it and want to earn a little while having fun, or if it's their main source of income because it has the potential to pay better than any other job in the country they live. The TV program/magazine article/radio show was funded to prove a specific point.

As for big brother? I agree with Isabella, it's a game that is won by getting the public to like you. Unfortunately I don't agree with the public's idea of what makes a good house mate. As a social experiment and showing a desire to win I never watched it since Nasty Nick lost. For me he played the game perfectly.

Unfortunately for Cam Girls, Porn Stars and any other Adult worker in the UK, your average Sun reader while drooling over a topless girl on page 3 will be outraged about Cam Girls because the Sun tells them to be, while voting for whoever it says they should on Big Brother, until Cam Girl ads start appearing in the back of the paper and the paper says they're cool.
The Daily Mail mob will be burning their Readers Digests in protest that such things happen, while exploding about the latest EU rule/immigrant workforce/blah blah. *this is my own prejudiced opinion of Sun and Daily Mail readers

This is a round about way of saying that unfortunately for all the progress we've made there still seem to be a limited number of things that form public opinion, with media and religion (depending on country) being the primary means, and the masses are too willing to follow.

 

[AedanRayne]

Well, at least the Republicans (Christian extremists) and Democrats (feminists) haven't tried to ban web cams yet.

Though I'm sure they'll get around to it sooner or later.

If they ban it in the US... I'm moving to Germany, man. :lol:

 

[LilyMarie]

Well, at least the Republicans (Christian extremists) and Democrats (feminists) haven't tried to ban web cams yet.

Though I'm sure they'll get around to it sooner or later.

If they ban it in the US... I'm moving to Germany, man. :lol:

:drool: :dance: :mrgreen: ray: :thumbleft: :hello2: :angel8:



It's not like you won't be frowned upon here, though...
I know Europe tends to be a little more tolerant than the US in certain aspects of life, but going around and telling people you've just met that you're a camgirl is way out of the question... :| There's a reason I've only told me 2 very best friends; one of them is the most tolerant person I'll ever know, and the other one's my FWB who is SUPER open when it comes to all things sexuality.
I can't put my job on my fb profile. I can't tell fellow students what I do when they ask me (I tell them I'm self-employed and their face goes :shock: ). I can't tell my mom I still do this.

You just don't put your naked body on display for all the world to see, it's not acceptable. The prevailing public opinion on camgirls is a negative one, period.

I think here, when you tell people my age you're a cam model, they'll most likely act like it's alright with them and like they're oh so tolerant and open-minded, but really they're not. They haven't come that far yet, and of course it's only partly their own fault, and partly their parents' and society's. And then there's the fact that jealousy plays a big role in the back of their head, but they'll never admit it or even find out about it own their own.
From a young age, you learn that your private parts are to be put away and hidden, and there's a reason it took me some time to get fully naked on cam at first - it went against what I've learned from my mother and my upbringing and basically everything they tell you as a child/teen/young adult. It took some strength from my own mind to be able to tell myself that it's actually alright to make people happy/horny with my nakedness, and that this is not taking anything away from me or making me a worse person. Can't say I haven't struggled with it in the beginning.

I wonder how these views will change in the following decades, and if they'll change at all. Maybe in 5 years it'll already be much easier to be a camgirl and let people know about it, who knows. The world is developing so fast, but when it comes to the acceptance of nudity in front of strangers, I honestly feel like we haven't come very far since the 80s.

 

[sexyvee_x]

I think the U.K is really backward when it comes to the adult industry all my friends know I cam and they had never heard of it until I told them. I love camming as it gives me freedom to pursue other things instead of working crazy shifts for a 1/3 of the pay. Youth unemployment is at an all time high all my friends are either doing "retail apprenticeships" that pay £2.50 an hour or at university doing micky mouse degrees with £9,000 a year fees so they basically leave uni with a small mortgage of debt at 21. I'm fortunate to be doing a state funded degree (Nursing) and can cam on the side my friends have asked me do I feel bad about showing my body off to men. My answer is no I can do camming, study and live in my own apartment in a nice area so all in all I think I made an excellent choice. The U.K slutshame page 3 girls (Topless models) let alone camgirls

 

[Jessi]

I haven't met anyone who has tried to hate on me yet, but pretty much every guy Iv'e told (other than boyfriends) has turned into a mega creep and assumed it means I just have sex with ugly people for free (aka them).

 

[SoTxBob]

Very well put Lily.... I think that your pretty spot on for the US as well. Its just that here we are so full of 'in your face attitude' and political correctness, that so much is bannered for the world to see with the thinking that will advance the cause, without much backstory or education of whatever...

 

[LilyMarie]

(..) or at university doing micky mouse degrees with £9,000 a year fees so they basically leave uni with a small mortgage of debt at 21.

I think it's really sad that in some countries you have to pay so much to go to college/uni and that students are getting into debt left right and center...
Right now I'm paying a semester fee of 234 €. Of that, 173 € go towards my public transport ticket, and I believe I still get an alright education at university.

Ohh, and we have page 3 girls, too! Only in our best-selling tabloid, they're on page 2
I don't even want to imagine how many middle-aged men stare at those girls' boobs every morning on the subway, getting all kinds of dirty thoughts and whatnot, but would throw their daughter out of the house if she became a camgirl. Oh hypocrisy. -_-

 

[AllisonWilder]

Other than my best friend being pretty weird about camming when I told her about it (she's over it now), I've only had one person act like it was a negative thing. An ex-stripper slut-shamed me to my face (and still does behind my back). Oh the hypocrisy.

I'm sort of glad that cam girls haven't been completely accepted though. I mean, it would be nice to not hide it from people, but in general, if it was so accepted there would be so many more girls doing it and thousands more crappy cam sites sprouting up regularly.

(..) or at university doing micky mouse degrees with £9,000 a year fees so they basically leave uni with a small mortgage of debt at 21.

I think it's really sad that in some countries you have to pay so much to go to college/uni and that students are getting into debt left right and center...
Right now I'm paying a semester fee of 234 €. Of that, 173 € go towards my public transport ticket, and I believe I still get an alright education at university.

234 € is less than $300 USD? That's what you pay for an entire semester? My ex just shelled out $3,000 for his Fall semester. What a difference.

 

[UncleThursday]

I haven't met anyone who has tried to hate on me yet, but pretty much every guy Iv'e told (other than boyfriends) has turned into a mega creep and assumed it means I just have sex with ugly people for free (aka them).

How did you know I'm ugly? You spying on me sleeping? :lol:

 

[Kradek]

234 € is less than $300 USD? That's what you pay for an entire semester? My ex just shelled out $3,000 for his Fall semester. What a difference.

Heh. My alma mater this year is $22,400. Per semester. Just for tuition. Most private universities in the USA long ago passed the point where attending unassisted was simply not feasible for the average citizen. You can understand why some folks like Peter Thiel are coming out and saying it isn't worth it.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I think it's really sad that in some countries you have to pay so much to go to college/uni and that students are getting into debt left right and center...
Right now I'm paying a semester fee of 234 €. Of that, 173 € go towards my public transport ticket, and I believe I still get an alright education at university.

That is a good deal. That said, student finance in the UK is pretty good (IMO). My degree costs around £3,000 a year (it's a three year course) and I receive around £2,000 every four months for maintenance, but I only have to pay half of that back. On top of that, we get a further £1,500 a year for FREE (thank you, UK tax payers, thank you very much :-D).
So all in all, I get a £9,000 degree paid for and £22,500 towards living costs over a three year period and in total pay back £18,000. Which sounds like a lot but I only start paying it back once I'm earning over £16,000 a year, and even then, it's only ever gonna be around £50 a month. And if I never get a job that pays over £16,000 a year; I never have to pay my student loan back.

 

[LadyLuna]

I only start paying it back once I'm earning over £16,000 a year, and even then, it's only ever gonna be around £50 a month. And if I never get a job that pays over £16,000 a year; I never have to pay my student loan back.

NO FAIR!