Pornhub and Pirated Content

[AudriTwo]

@CatSmith If you believe people are being trafficked and being forced to cam, gather enough evidence and report it.

Home Page - Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3)

www.ic3.gov

 

[Notjustmetoo]

Aside from the fact that i very much applaud actions being taken in terms of the illegal stuff that has been going around on PH (and its network), this isnt very much promising for cammodels per se or at least peoole that arent already settled with high figures (room count, score,..)

People keep forgetting the marketeers that give traffic to sites like CB as one of them. If people think the majority are just nerds posting stolen content then oh boy!

If this trend keeps trickling down to all porn sites in general then rev share programs will change completely and and roomtraffic so many people seem to have issue with complaining will get worse

PH act of mass deleting is out of proportion and looks like an act of fear and hoping to turn things around again with payment processors (and maybe charges). This will have effect for people in need of traffic.

Dont get me wrong, action and changes were needed. Severe Illegal stuff had to go.

SMMarketeer point of view
**Note: i skimmed through most of the replies

 

[JustMilfnAround]

@CatSmith If you believe people are being trafficked and being forced to cam, gather enough evidence and report it.

Home Page - Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3)

www.ic3.gov

I did. I reported it to the site for a week, over and over. They did nothing. I reported it to a few agencies as well. I'm guessing they just got a slap on the wrist because all of the sudden a few of the younger looking rooms were cleaned up of toys, and the girls had fake tattoos put on them and were dressed up to make them look older. Still the same girls broadcasting though. They also changed the wording their pre-broadcast splash page to specify "age of jurisdiction" instead of the "must be 18 years of age".

Age of majority by country - Wiki Page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

 

[AmberCutie]

I did. I reported it to the site for a week, over and over. They did nothing. I reported it to a few agencies as well. I'm guessing they just got a slap on the wrist because all of the sudden a few of the younger looking rooms were cleaned up of toys, and the girls had fake tattoos put on them and were dressed up to make them look older. Still the same girls broadcasting though. They also changed the wording their pre-broadcast splash page to specify "age of jurisdiction" instead of the "must be 18 years of age".

Age of majority by country - Wiki Page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

They still say 18 is the minimum, though.

"you must be at least 18 years old or the age of majority in your jurisdiction, whichever is older (the "Age of Majority")."

 

[SaffronBurke]

The amount of bitching from members about their playlists/etc being gone is just beyond comprehension. The entitlement is real.

"OMG my free porn is gone!"

I'm sorry but... boo fucking hoo. Go pay for some.

I saw a Twitter thread of people complaining that "blue ticks aren't REAL amateur content" and that they think if someone is verified at all they're "fake" and "playing it up" as if the unverified amateurs weren't also playing it up when filming. All but explicitly admitting that it has to be stolen for them to get off on it.

 

[AmberCutie]

I saw a Twitter thread of people complaining that "blue ticks aren't REAL amateur content" and that they think if someone is verified at all they're "fake" and "playing it up" as if the unverified amateurs weren't also playing it up when filming. All but explicitly admitting that it has to be stolen for them to get off on it.

It has to be stolen, or if posted by the actual creator, needs to be "not for the money".

Because it feels better to jack off to porn that was made or posted for porn's sake, not for income.

 

[KayleeGraves]

I think that other social media sites have really skewed the idea of what it means to be "verified" on a site. Especially with tiktok creators, users expect them to have a certain level of clout before the app will consider them for verification, but that's not at all what it means to be verified on PH.
I was pleasantly surprised at how easy the PH model verification process was. Honestly, I've seen subreddits that have more requirements for posting amateur content.

 

[punker barbie]

Chaturbate has always had a zero-tolerance policy for any underage use of the Chaturbate platform. Chaturbate has never been one for making public announcements regarding how stringent our age verification requirements are; however, with recent events surrounding PornHub, we wanted to address our age verification protocols.

Chaturbate not only requires all independent broadcasters to be age verified but also requires that users of the Chaturbate platform never engage in underage role play. In fact, we are proud of the fact that we are often criticized on public forums for our strict policy of terminating people from the CB platform for simply looking underage (despite having provided age verification).

Chaturbate enthusiastically (and overtly) cooperates with law enforcement whenever there is any alleged or suspected underage activity. When appropriate, Chaturbate also reports matters of concern to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Although no one can receive tokens on Chaturbate without first providing current government-issued photo age verification, we previously allowed individuals who appeared to be at least 24 years of age to broadcast as “Exhibitionists.” “Exhibitionists” did not have to submit age verification; however, were subject to review by hundreds of compliance review persons around the world (who work on a 24 hour/7 days per week basis) as well as by the incredible Chaturbate community, which has always been very proactive in reporting any suspected underage violations.

Unrelated to the PornHub events, over two months ago we took the step to restrict new “Exhibitionist” accounts from broadcasting without first providing age verification after receiving complaints online. Our intent was to allow long-time exhibitionists, who had been repeatedly vetted not only by our worldwide team of reviewers but also by the CB community, to continue to broadcast. However, we have determined, at the request of several Chaturbate broadcasters, to require age verification for all “Exhibitionists.” Although we are making these changes at their request, it is important to understand that this verification change is not due to any underage person streaming on the Chaturbate platform (as we have numerous safeguards and policies in place). Rather, this change is being made out of respect for the concerns expressed by Chaturbate broadcasters. We owe it to all members of the Chaturbate community to listen to everyone's concerns and continuously create a platform where they feel safe, accepted, and heard.

 

[RoeTheHoe]

Chaturbate has always had a zero-tolerance policy for any underage use of the Chaturbate platform. Chaturbate has never been one for making public announcements regarding how stringent our age verification requirements are; however, with recent events surrounding PornHub, we wanted to address our age verification protocols.

Chaturbate not only requires all independent broadcasters to be age verified but also requires that users of the Chaturbate platform never engage in underage role play. In fact, we are proud of the fact that we are often criticized on public forums for our strict policy of terminating people from the CB platform for simply looking underage (despite having provided age verification).

Chaturbate enthusiastically (and overtly) cooperates with law enforcement whenever there is any alleged or suspected underage activity. When appropriate, Chaturbate also reports matters of concern to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Although no one can receive tokens on Chaturbate without first providing current government-issued photo age verification, we previously allowed individuals who appeared to be at least 24 years of age to broadcast as “Exhibitionists.” “Exhibitionists” did not have to submit age verification; however, were subject to review by hundreds of compliance review persons around the world (who work on a 24 hour/7 days per week basis) as well as by the incredible Chaturbate community, which has always been very proactive in reporting any suspected underage violations.

Unrelated to the PornHub events, over two months ago we took the step to restrict new “Exhibitionist” accounts from broadcasting without first providing age verification after receiving complaints online. Our intent was to allow long-time exhibitionists, who had been repeatedly vetted not only by our worldwide team of reviewers but also by the CB community, to continue to broadcast. However, we have determined, at the request of several Chaturbate broadcasters, to require age verification for all “Exhibitionists.” Although we are making these changes at their request, it is important to understand that this verification change is not due to any underage person streaming on the Chaturbate platform (as we have numerous safeguards and policies in place). Rather, this change is being made out of respect for the concerns expressed by Chaturbate broadcasters. We owe it to all members of the Chaturbate community to listen to everyone's concerns and continuously create a platform where they feel safe, accepted, and heard.

Punker Barbie, we know each other in real life from years of conventions. I was a boy then and am now transitioning. Don't want to put my boy name on here. But Mohawk Steve.. BP4L Juicy, Aric, Baddog, Jenny Darling, Dirty D, Maja MikMunki, should all be names you know well. I was building up followers being unverified as my ID expired and I couldn't verify. I understand if it is impossible, but it will be mid Jan or Feb till I can resolve this issue as I'm waiting on a passport renewal, and didn't have a state ID. I have copies of my Passport ID but it expired 2017. I like.. really could use some help on this one if possible. Naked Dodge ball. Phx Forums, etc. I think you'll remember me. But it's been years. If not I'll do my best to try to get my state ID, but it's an uphill battle with the hoops I have to jump through. I got all dressed to go on tonight, and was used to the community and all my followers as an outlet. On hormones right now, and this is like REALLY messing me up tonight. I'm certainly well over 24. We attended shows together from 2006 to 2009 or so. I was just going to wait, but not being able to be on at all is killing me right now. Around 1565 followers on there after only camming for 2 or 3 weeks. I really could use the income as I'm trying to move to get away from family that doesn't know so I can be me. I could message you on GFY if that helps as well (if pms on there still exist, haven't looked for awhile). Still mostly a secret and not out yet to everyone. Kind of desperate, I hate to even ask, and if not possible, I understand. And I'll just try to hustle to get the state ID. I did like 7 hour days for a solid 18 out of 19 days on there for free just to get myself into the habit of it, and now I feel like I lost a leg or something not being able to go on. Thanks for the consideration. Roe Dawn Oneal.

 

[whyiscbfullofscammers]

Punker i'm calling out your nonsense, all those claims about underaged checking etc mean nothing. When you still have issues with certain video loops that have had dozens of accounts. I just took a screencap, theres 2 circled that have been banned under multiple names for playing out the same loops

Again i bring up the point HOW is this happening when supposedly the i.d is banned, and any new account needs a photo i.d submitted next too the models face.

 

[SMuser69]

Punker i'm calling out your nonsense, all those claims about underaged checking etc mean nothing. When you still have issues with certain video loops that have had dozens of accounts. I just took a screencap, theres 2 circled that have been banned under multiple names for playing out the same loops

Again i bring up the point HOW is this happening when supposedly the i.d is banned, and any new account needs a photo i.d submitted next too the models face.

Are you saying these people are underage? Do you mean they are using pre-recorded video? How do you know the model's ID was banned? How do you know they aren't just jumping between studios?

I could see the argument that if the models know what exact picture the support will require everytime it can be exploited.

 

[whyiscbfullofscammers]

Are you saying these people are underage? Do you mean they are using pre-recorded video? How do you know the model's ID was banned? How do you know they aren't just jumping between studios?

I could see the argument that if the models know what exact picture the support will require everytime it can be exploited.

Not that they are underaged, the fact they continue to make fresh new account having been banned multiple times look at it like this , You submit a photo i.d held next to your face when you make an account as the approval process. If you have been banned for running a video loop then your account and i.d should be perm banned. These loop account are always reappearing. So thinking logically the i.D is not being banned properly, or they are submitting someone elses i.d to get verified again. They then run the account several days with the person appearing on cam not verified (as its still the same recordings) however if they wanted they could just as easily swap the recording for an underaged non approved model....

The flaw would appear to be CB not actively checking on newly broadcasting model accounts. matching the ids submitted

Perhaps something for the "worldwide team of reviewers" to look for

 

[JennaSmiles]

I just heard about that and was worried it affected cam models that verified their accounts?
Think it’s a good thing but don’t want models who use site to get left out.

I think it will be good for cam models. It will help prevent our content from being uploaded without us giving permission or being paid for it. And it will also help prevent child porn and sex trafficking porn.

 

[JennaSmiles]

Hey everyone, so if you haven't heard visa and mastercard are no longer supporting any of mindgeeks companies. I feel absolutely terrified that I am going to loose my job and that they are going to start going after smaller sites. What should we do.. what can we do?

I don't believe this is a bad thing for any of us. Quite the opposite. The reason they are not supporting Pornhub anymore is because they were shown proof that Pornhub was hosting child porn. It's also very good that Pornhub is now requiring all content to be verified, so it will help prevent cam girls' content from being uploaded without our permission.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

I think one great benefit to this purge is that the videos from verified models are getting more views than before. I've never made anything significant from PH, but suddenly getting 3-5x more daily views per video will be useful as I want to potentially convert those subs to OF.

 

[Deleted member 57619]

That is correct. https://www.pornhub.com/blog/11422
View attachment 86457

Wow, that's quite a big change! Sounds like a big win for the workers in the adult industry though.

Two thoughts:
- I know PH exposes .ts files instead of .mp4, which prevents people circumnavigating the download button with other means (i.e. extension). I am relatively certain there are still ways out there to download vids, but it's good that this makes it at least harder.

- I question how much this will ultimately stop the piracy in the grand scheme. I think it's not very controversial to say that cam-rip sites are plentiful on the internet. If someone was using PH as their main place for searching cam-rips, would removing the vids really change peoples' behaviors, or would they just search our other spots to rip? Google hasn't exactly done a great job at hiding said illegal sites from their front pages.

 

[Lelo1]

I would assume such a requirement would probable apply to cam sites as well.
And the cost of running such a service would be passed onto cam models and the consumers.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if sites choose to error on the side of caution. As in if they can't disprove a claim, they would take action. As in remove the video or model. At least until they could prove otherwise.

It would be interesting to see if software can even do what they're asking. I mean it's very easy to alter a file to change it's hash, or alter the audio / video itself.

 

[KingMarti]

Aside from the fact that i very much applaud actions being taken in terms of the illegal stuff that has been going around on PH (and its network), this isnt very much promising for cammodels per se or at least peoole that arent already settled with high figures (room count, score,..)

People keep forgetting the marketeers that give traffic to sites like CB as one of them. If people think the majority are just nerds posting stolen content then oh boy!

If this trend keeps trickling down to all porn sites in general then rev share programs will change completely and and roomtraffic so many people seem to have issue with complaining will get worse

PH act of mass deleting is out of proportion and looks like an act of fear and hoping to turn things around again with payment processors (and maybe charges). This will have effect for people in need of traffic.

Dont get me wrong, action and changes were needed. Severe Illegal stuff had to go.

SMMarketeer point of view
**Note: i skimmed through most of the replies

affiliates should not be using stolen content to generate traffic in the first place. This is specifically stated in the tos of most adult affiliate programs.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

I would assume such a requirement would probable apply to cam sites as well.
And the cost of running such a service would be passed onto cam models and the consumers.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if sites choose to error on the side of caution. As in if they can't disprove a claim, they would take action. As in remove the video or model. At least until they could prove otherwise.

It would be interesting to see if software can even do what they're asking. I mean it's very easy to alter a file to change it's hash, or alter the audio / video itself.

I don't think this will affect most decent camsites all that much since they have a lot of these implemented already and some of these could easily be done as well. The downloads thing would definitely be a problem for clipsites though.

 

[AmberCutie]

Reuters Report: Visa Resumes Card Use for 'Professional Content' MindGeek Sites

According to a Reuters report, Visa announced today that it “has allowed usage of its cards on MindGeek’s platforms that host professionally generated content,” although it continues the suspension of card use on the company’s tube site Pornhub “until pending investigations are complete.”

www.xbiz.com

Update: maybe it's a sign of them allowing PH again at some point. *shrug*

 

[Marceline]

I would assume such a requirement would probable apply to cam sites as well.
And the cost of running such a service would be passed onto cam models and the consumers.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if sites choose to error on the side of caution. As in if they can't disprove a claim, they would take action. As in remove the video or model. At least until they could prove otherwise.

It would be interesting to see if software can even do what they're asking. I mean it's very easy to alter a file to change it's hash, or alter the audio / video itself.

That bill looks fucking horrible, not just for sex workers but also for non-sex workers.

For online sex workers, this could greatly impact our ability to make money. It would require higher costs for the site to have a 24 hour hotline. If any trolls wanted to mass flag content it seems like the site would possibly have to remove said content, whether it was a false flag or not. If people are unable to download and only stream content, they're not going to want to pay as much for it. I'm not even sure how sites like C4S would deal with this, since I don't believe there's even an option to stream clips on their site. Social media sites, such as Twitter and Reddit, would more than likely just ban all adult content, making it much harder for sex workers to advertise themselves. Not to mention, it would be pretty much impossible to block a video that has already been uploaded, because like you said, it's very easy to alter a video just enough to get it through again.

For regular vanilla folk, having a database that says you do not consent to anyone posting pornographic material of you online? Why would that even be necessary if anyone posting adult content had to not only verify their identity but also upload a signed consent form? Why would anyone want their personal info put into a database like this?

Just seems like more fucking government overreach and censorship under the guise of helping out victims. Same bullshit as with FOSTA and SESTA. Same bullshit as this current outrage over Section 230.

Anyway, I doubt something like this would pass. I think there's enough old pervs in Congress whose porn viewing habits would be directly affected by this and perhaps some others who hopefully have enough respect for their constituents to not allow this flagrant attack on their internet privacy to pass. Just like with that crazy bill that was introduced in California to make cam girls have to get permits (and pay fees and be submitted to random "inspection checks" of their houses in what was my opinion a direct attack on the fourth amendment), I think this is just more self righteous posturing that the politicians involved believe will make them look good.

 

[eden]

I came across some twitter thread that made the whole proposal seem catastrophic...


I don't know what to make of it, all I know is: they will never kill the porn industry. To misquote Jurassic Park, "Porn... finds a way."

 

[Lelo1]

APAG Holds Meeting to Discuss Possible Impact of SISEA Bill

all performers appearing in the content to submit a consented list of acts depicted in the material.

While they may be able to have these consent lists in writing, it may be harder to prove consent. Or some providers may not have the technology, and as such prefer video. For live models, are you going to have to fill out consent pre show? Can you update mid show?

This may translate into at the start of every show, video, extra, needing to verbal submit in voice and on camera a consent list. In a case of service providers, if they need to retain these videos for ever, that's a cost they will have to transfer on to the customers.

It's also not clear if some one would need to verify the consent. As in review each video, to figure out who did what, and verify that it matches with the consent list. Which is a cost.

Also how will this apply to people who own porn?
IE: dude bought a vidoe, and it's now in their drop box.
I think the short answer is dropbox purges everything they find, so they don't have to deal with it.
So this might be a chilling effect on people's porn collections.

past content, so platform owners would still need to supply the information consent list.

Service providers may just opt to purge, and require you to re-submit content.

I do wonder if content providers are going to risk taking old content. I mean the person at the start of the video, doing the consent list, may not look like the same person in the video.

Similarly, how would this work for diseased content creators?
They may have passed on their royalties to family.

Also how does this apply to vintage porn?

users cannot upload adult material unless they are of the "age of consent" in the state in which the user resides.

Some people have raised concern that this might open the door for content that historically banned.

provide your ID if you are to upload content

While models are usually required to verify their identity, this opens the door for greater tracking. And it may apply to other content creators. Such as artists.

Also how would this work with say individuals in their private life? For instance sexsting, video conferencing, remote toys, extra?

prevent downloading porn

Not sure if this is even technically possible. Like if some one downloads it, or records their screen, extra. How does that effect the provider?

Also raises the question on sexing and porn collections.
Services com and go, and their basically saying you can't own porn. Or possibly even photos of your self.

 

[Notjustmetoo]

affiliates should not be using stolen content to generate traffic in the first place. This is specifically stated in the tos of most adult affiliate programs.

Most affiliate stuff that actually is worth doing isnt even TOS approved and affiliate programs generally dont even give a damn shit as long as it converts (yes some are more strict than others). Same like PH didnt give a shit till shit hit the fan.

I do agree on the fact that use of stolen content isnt very nice. I'm most def sure it will boost views on verified profiles now however traffic will be hurt noticably.

 

[sikayoujo]

Did you have a model account there?

I do not.

 

[sikayoujo]

It does when the roleplaying / fetish feeding is directly and BLATANTLY "underage" play. And yes, they are supposed to be verified but I've seen girls on there who are obviously no older than 14/15 years old being dressed up like little kids with toys and kid stuff all over the room. The room is FILLED with pedophiles (reading the chat is disturbing) and they continue to allow it with the excuse being "age of majority in their jurisdiction". Thing is, it is being broadcast in the USA, CB is based in the USA and the girls are not legal for USA standards.

Their verification process is laughable as well, I'm in my 40's and they declined my ID saying I wasn't of age. I had to email them directly and make them look at my ID again. CB bans models that ARE of age for "looking too young". But they will allow all of these underage models from out of the country..... SMFH

It's not just a "vibe" it's blatant. A few of them it is OBVIOUS they are being trafficked (Columbia) yet the site continues to allow it because they are the "age of majority in their jurisdiction". I'm guaranteeing their ID's are fake because developmentally these girls are NOT 18. Columbia's age of majority is 18.

I guarantee from your response you haven't seen any of these rooms. There are quite a few of them.

Ok, but, they're consenting adult. I'm not going to shit on consenting adults for doing what consenting adults do.

As there's not question of mature REGARDLESS of what the person is doing, they're not actually hurting a child, so no skin off my nose. It doesn't matter if I don't like it.

 

[Lelo1]

Most affiliate stuff that actually is worth doing isnt even TOS approved and affiliate programs generally dont even give a damn shit as long as it converts

I really don't think the companies are colluding with pirates.

It's like you hire a promoter, who lets advertisers bill for referrals. Thousands of companies are sticking your advertisement all over town. On the radio, benches, billboards, phone books, stickers, boxes, sign twirlers, extra.

You really don't know how they're promoting. You ask them to do it in a legal and fair manor. But unless you find out about something illegal, you really don't know. If you find out some is , you kick them to the curb. But if they're cleaver, they'll come back with a straw man as a front.

Now you could try asking them how where & how, but nothing stops them from also having another angle on the side.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

use of stolen content isnt very nice

I mean, it's also illegal. So there's that.

 

[AmberCutie]

I do not.

Got ya. Yep that’s why you don’t have a lot of freedom to make changes to your page.

 

[Notjustmetoo]

I mean, it's also illegal. So there's that.

That's what i meant but then again it's part of the game.
You can make your own content less useful to stealers in some ways but that's a personal thing