Open Letter to all of the MFC Viewers

[Fay_Galore]

Moreover, the way MFC is designed doesn't help, the supply is extremely high, and each model doesn't offer a significant added value to push people to tip: the model doesn't do what you want, no problem the freeloader just have to click next. They don't care how much effort you've put in this, you're just another random woman nude on the Internet. The people who care are already tipping.

Yup, I think this is hitting the nail on the head. People who genuinely value a models shows and effort already tip or are easily persuaded into a premium status. You probably won't even reach the others with a statement like this.

 

[UncleRukus]

I wonder how much this would be eased if there was no camscore.

With no camscore what would differentiate one model from other? The Romanian models with the 100s of fake guest would be listed first.

 

[Poker_Babe]

You have to be willing to look at yourself. It's something you didn't acknowledge in your original blog or any of the replies. Plenty of camgirls have chimed in and said there is blame to go to the person in the mirror.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Moreover, the way MFC is designed doesn't help, the supply is extremely high, and each model doesn't offer a significant added value to push people to tip: the model doesn't do what you want, no problem the freeloader just have to click next. They don't care how much effort you've put in this, you're just another random woman nude on the Internet. The people who care are already tipping.

Yup, I think this is hitting the nail on the head. People who genuinely value a models shows and effort already tip or are easily persuaded into a premium status. You probably won't even reach the others with a statement like this.

Yes.
The people who care are the people who tip. Want more tippers or talkers... make them care.

I can only speak for about the last 4 years, but this is not an epedemic and is far from anything new. The waves of silence, the hundreds of people who aren't talking or refuse to even answer and let you know if your cam is working to the point that you assume it's not and refresh only to find out that it was fine the whole time! :lol:
This has been the norm for a very very long time. The only things that I have noticed change on MFC is MORE girls are making MORE MONEY and the diversity for the type of entertainment being provided is very wide.

This is just how MFC is and as far as I've seen, always has been. It is the most profitable and funnest atmosphere camsite out there IMO but it is not right for everyone and some people just aren't cut out for it or for the industry in general. If every single camgirl who ever tried camming succeeded there would be like 10,000 models online all the time. People HAVE to fail! Not everyone can be a top model and not everyone can even be a semi-successful camgirl. It's an industry like any other and not everyone will make it, or hell, not everyone will do well forever.

I do not like this letter because I think it's poison. The kind of poison that will rally a girl to not look at herself and change and instead encourages the "I'm not the only one, it's not just me. HOLD FAST!" mentality that will, IMO be her inevitable demise. I would rather see girls change and succeed with smiles than bitch there ways out the door. I think that is the main reason I am not fond of this open letter or how much it blew up... I think it's an unhealthy perspective that will damage the industry I love.
While I can understand and relate to the sentiments behind it and agree those things are frustrating, I do not think this is the answer. But that's just like, my opinion man.

 

[RebeccaT]

I wonder how much this would be eased if there was no camscore.

With no camscore what would differentiate one model from other? The Romanian models with the 100s of fake guest would be listed first.

What would differentiate us? Well, we are all different!

 

[GweenBlack]

Just my thoughts about camscore:

I hate that thing, i deeply hate that, BUT as much as i hate it, i love it when it goes up.

You know, i chose camming at MFC, nobody forced me into that website, lets face it, there are tons of camsites out there, you are free to choose (if not, than you should contact authorities, you may be a victim of forced work).

If someone don't care about camscore, they can set their homepage for viewers and not for CS, that being said, camscore is a thermometer about how you are going at the hours online amounts. If its going up, you are doing a good work there, keep it up! If its going down, take some hours to re-watch your shows (recording mine online time has been helping me a lot) and take notes about your behavior online.

I won't lie, february i raged hard online to my regulars. Looks like I blamed them but i was getting online with a bored face too. My fault or theirs? I don't like watching models bored, so why would they like just because its me. No! I have to put more efforts on that.

Nothing is more entertaining than seeing a model you like smiling hugely at the camera :twocents-02cents:

 

[curvyredhead]

I wonder how much this would be eased if there was no camscore.

With no camscore what would differentiate one model from other? The Romanian models with the 100s of fake guest would be listed first.

-_-

 

[Gen]

I get SUPER frustrated with my camscore sometimes, and a lot of times I think "but if I sit here more than five minutes, my camscore will go down!". Mine isn't super high so I feel like I have to nurture it and baby it all the time, which sucks.

But with that said - I'm not really sure what would be a more fair way to do it? I like on Streamate that it's partially based on your stream quality, but I fucking HATE the encoder and think it gives more problems than it solves. Viewers is fine in theory but like someone said, a million bots or whatever and it would be really skewed. Also some of the advice given for being successful on Chaturbate (where rank is based on viewers) is to log on naked -- something not all models are comfortable with or into doing.

As harsh as it is, I think the camscore system is mostly fair and does keep models from just sitting there all day doing nothing. I see a lot of complaints about it but hardly anyone puts forth a solution and I don't think I've seen one that seems better.

I do wish MFC would make it clearer to new girls, though. There's no point in having a fuckton of girls sign up just so they can get confused and sink to the bottom of the page.

 

[BBellvue]

Having read through this topic I have a question (for the models)...

Why do you give a shit about the freeloaders (or non-talkers) in the first place?

Having ran a successful business for 15 years and sold it 5 years ago based on software I wrote I never once cared about the people who pirated my software (which amounted to 42% of the installs at one time). The whole *they may be potential paying customers* is a crock of shit, I paid attention to the customers that bought the software and treated them well. In return they gave me more business though word of mouth and glowing reviews of the software. In the end that is all I cared about. Sure I could have made more money by thwarting the piracy but it would have taken away from the people who really mattered the paying customers.

There will always be people who want something for nothing from you it's best to ignore them, no use festering hatred for people who are never going to tip you.

:twocents-02cents:

The bolded part is SO very important. In any given business, your best customers are repeat customers. You want your business to come from repeat customers...they have come in because they like you, stayed because they like you, and recommended you because they like you. Word of mouth is important in any business. When you treat your customers well, they keep coming back. Throwing a free thing once in awhile at someone who has spent money on you is infinitely more profitable than trying to get the attention of people who never planned on paying for your services in the first place. I know when I get an appreciation reward from a business I am much more likely to go back and spend even more money.

While obviously the original post was not meant to talk about models, I don't think you can talk about members without talking about the models. There are ups and downs in any business and the best businesses can adapt. When it comes down to it, we as models are therapists, customer service reps, advertising agents, marketing reps, pr reps, photographers, videographers...etc etc etc. The problem isn't models complaining about their jobs and being unhappy that things aren't going the way they expected, the problem is that in any given market, you don't get to complain about your jobs to the customers. One or two close customers, sure, you might share once in awhile something that annoys you about someone else.

I've logged off many a night thinking I have done something wrong because people simply will not talk to me. And sometimes, I haven't done anything wrong--it just isn't my night, people who come through are looking for something different. But even in my beginning stages of camming now, I see a huge change of income between when I am REALLY giving it my all and when I am there because I feel I have to be. Many nights I log off knowing that I could have made more money if I had been more invested in it, been in a better mood, what have you. Even if I don't figure it out that night...I will realize it by morning.

The last thing I will say is that there are certain things we just can't fight: MFC glitching out every other night, promoting us as FREE sex, the sheer amount of girls on the site...but really, as an entertainer, you can't focus on what others are doing. It's been said over and over that the men who tip us are tipping US, otherwise they could just get free porn. So when we talk about how many free shows there are on the site, I really don't think it matters. Some people will only ever come to MFC for free porn, and the only thing we can do about that if we dislike it is go to a site with less of the free aspect. None of us who are interactive, social, putting on shows and working our butts off are going to gain the attention and cash of someone wanting a free show. We all know freeloaders really, really suck but...it's just the nature of the beast on MFC.

I am getting really good at enjoying the sound of my own voice
Edit: Also, finally writing this whole thing out has inspired me to get online tonight even though I am in pain and thought I should take a night of...technically I took last night off, so....I know I was just looking for an excuse.

 

[RebeccaT]

The whole *they may be potential paying customers* is a crock of shit, I paid attention to the customers that bought the software and treated them well.:

I assume you have no interaction with your customers before they make a purchase...do they buy online?

MFC viewers do not pay before entering a room. They take a look, if they like what they see and how they are treated they tip.
Video sales are a whole different thing...they only have to click "buy"

 

[SweetDee]

Sort of adding my own sentiment into the pot here...

I think one of the most annoying things is that I feel I'll get called "entitled" if I was to complain about lack of tips in between "shows". We constantly hear members (all sorts of members, from freeloaders to actual tipping members) calling a model entitled, or a greedy token whore who expects to get money just for sitting there. Now, I get that there ARE models who really DO JUST SIT THERE and do nothing. And by nothing I mean sit there and stare at their screen and blink.

But a girl like me, or **Sophia Locke, SweetDee, JoleneBrody, GinnyPotter, Brina_, GoddessZoey, MoniLove**... we have a very chatty personality and will "sit there" and chat about all sorts of things for some periods of time. There is teasing and nudity involved in the chatting a good portion of the time as well.

I believe that this is STILL a form of entertainment. We may not be shoving dildos in ourselves at the moment, or busting a major sweat dancing to an awesome song (we can be caught doing these things, too! But I digress...) but we are providing you with entertainment. If you're sitting there, choosing to listen to our conversation instead of going to another room or another site or even something away from your computer, then we are holding your attention.

I think that's worth something.

So it drives me nuts when there aren't necessarily any countdowns or action-packed shows going on and no tips are coming in. Because at that moment I'd bet that at least 50% of the people watching are entertained, but don't feel the need to share a few tokens because there's no action. And that's quite shitty. And that's one of the things that gets me down sometimes.






**(just tossing examples of girls whom I have seen on cam and believe they have a social cam style)

First of all, can I just say that to be listed among such an illustrious group of models, all of whom I really admire, and to be included in that list by THE AmberCutie... it got me blushin' hard. So there's that.

I definitely agree with Amber's post. These are the reasons why it meant so much to me a few nights ago when I got a tip from a member who had never been in my room before and the note said, "for the interesting and charming conversation." Or when someone asks me the name of a song I'm playing in my room and after I tell them, they send 10 tokens with a note that says "thank you!" It means a lot to be appreciated for those things. Being tipped for those reasons makes me feel like members recognize that it's part of my job. That being a camgirl can be about more than good looks and sex appeal.

I think the most frustrating sentiment on MFC is something I've heard all too often: "I don't tip toward your countdowns because I'm really not here to see you naked, Dee. I come for the conversation and atmosphere." The conversation and atmosphere are part of my job. I put time and effort into them. I really appreciate when people appreciate that. If you aren't interested in seeing me naked but still enjoy the conversation and atmosphere, you can throw a few tokens my way after the countdown is finished, just to say thanks for making your evening more pleasant. It's super fucking cool when people do. The warm-fuzzies last for days.

All that being said, the one thing I kept thinking when reading Ashleigh's post is how grateful I am to have a group of regulars who will engage in these conversations with me. It's much harder to be a "social camgirl" when nobody will socialize with you. There are days when I sign on hoping to create this engaging, entertaining environment and it's practically impossible because I am met with silence. Those days are very frustrating and I'm grateful that they're not the norm for me. If they were, I would have a lot of re-evaluating to do, but ultimately I would take it upon myself to come up with new and different ways to be engaging, ways to encourage conversation to cultivate the social atmosphere that I value so much in my room. And I would hope like hell that I'd be successful in doing so, because I'm not ready to leave the cam life behind me...

 

[Jupiter551]

The only line that kinda got me was the line that said "surrounded by miserable women. And thats what your wives are for, no?"

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Fay_Galore]

I wonder how much this would be eased if there was no camscore.

With no camscore what would differentiate one model from other? The Romanian models with the 100s of fake guest would be listed first.

I would be very happy if MFC would be a bit like tasekid.com, or spotify or any other sort of taste-related website. 'do you like this model? try x, y and z' I know this feature is there, but it would be awesome if it would be a bit more exposed and expanded. If you're into the goth niche, it would be cool if there was like a 'goth' tab for instance. same for particular shows. this could work really well if members could 'vote' or 'endorse' categories models are in too (because I think model would list ALL the niches if they got a change to do it themselves)

There is a lot good and a lot wrong with the camscore system IMO, same with popular rooms. (also I think camscore, popular rooms and miss MFC basically comes down to the same concept)

this would not only be nice for members to easily find models they might like, but also for the models to limit the browsers and be found by genuine interested members easily.

but this is totally off topic.

 

[Jupiter551]

There is a lot good and a lot wrong with the camscore system IMO, same with popular rooms. (also I think camscore, popular rooms and miss MFC basically comes down to the same concept)

I've always thought 'popular rooms' is basically how to most easily locate a free show, and I've always thought that might negatively impact on average earnings because part of the process of attracting viewers is hijacked - the 'foreplay', or teasing, or countdown or however you want to look at it.

 

[eclipse76]

I wonder how much this would be eased if there was no camscore.

With no camscore what would differentiate one model from other? The Romanian models with the 100s of fake guest would be listed first.

What would differentiate us? Well, we are all different!

I think what he meant was "how would the models be listed if no camscore".
So probably by number of persons in the room, like CT, which would probably favor models with nude shows going on.
Although members can already list the models however they want.

I've always thought the camscore was a model thingie, like the miss MFC, a way to bring competition between models. Personally I don't care about it, I just use it to stop scrolling on the homepage, "okay i'm at 700, I won't bother to scroll further down". Otherwise between a model at 1200 or 10000, I don't really care much, if you're at least there, you're probably not a vegetable on cam.

sorry for the bad english, i'm tipsy

 

[CallMeWilliam]

The whole *they may be potential paying customers* is a crock of shit, I paid attention to the customers that bought the software and treated them well.:

I assume you have no interaction with your customers before they make a purchase...do they buy online?

MFC viewers do not pay before entering a room. They take a look, if they like what they see and how they are treated they tip.
Video sales are a whole different thing...they only have to click "buy"

Actually I had a lot of interaction with potential customers as almost all of them would email (or call) with questions about the software with regards to updates/support and general features. Most of the time I would give them a *trial* version that they could try out for before making the purchase. I was very hands on with my customers with a 4 hour window of contact after they contacted me with issues/problems/support questions. They could buy online but had to contact me first before buying it.

 

[UncleThursday]

I really don't understand the point of watching cams if you don't want to interact at all. Sometimes when I'm perving, I feel a bit more shy/quiet, but I don't hang out in dead rooms just adding to the list of silent premiums. I dunno, it sucks when you get all excited to go on cam and people are obviously interested enough to stay but not enough to interact. I liked the rockstar reference.

On the bolded part, I can answer for a reason of my own. Sometimes, I'm doing something else, but just want some movement on the screen and background noise. Most often writing something. I don't maximize my word processing program, so I can open the lounge in a popup and keep it just off to the side. That way there's something moving on my screen instead of just my cursor and the words being made on the screen. Often I'll just pop open a cam in the lounge of a model I perv but never really interact with and just leave it off to the side. Even right now, as I write this, I have two cams open, one I do interact with, the other not really. I'm not even paying attention to them, for the most part, unless the one I do interact with says something to me (though she knows I like blue... so she is kind of putting on sexy blue things to try and keep my attention more )

But, even I've had issues with silent people when I am streaming on Twitch. Granted, my room isn't massively popular, but if I get to 20 people and no one is talking, it feels a bit odd. Then I go silent, which in turn means people become less interested in watching. Not that I'm a big talker when I play to begin with, but if there's more people interacting, then I'm more willing to talk.

Then again, even when I am online, I sometimes do things to entertain the models I know. I just got an awesomely nerdtacular hoodie and had about 8 models I know laughing at it since I got it yesterday. One even showed my cam to her room, she was laughing so hard. Even when I'm low on tokens, or out, I can do something, at times, to keep them entertained. Other times I'm just my normal boring self.

 

[GoddessAiren]

I'm not going to lie, I really hate the whole thing. I get the sentiment and frustration behind it. We've all logged out frustrated, worried about bills, concerned that maybe the viability of the job is shifting etc. But, if you're going to call yourself a performer, when you're on the outside of the curtain, keep your game face on. No one is forced to take a commission job. Commission jobs aren't for the faint of heart. It's stressful. The audience isn't supposed to know that. I think it also validates that girls who whine on a daily basis via the Twitter. I'll take a handful of quiet freeloaders over a consistently whining model any day.

Yes. Freeloaders should probably stop freeloading. They know that. Everybody knows that. But, any model who lets them get to her badly enough to become unlikeable should probably just try selling vacuums or something. And, if a vacuum salesman taped this note to my door, I'd laugh my face clean off. EVERYONE'S mental health at the end of the day is their own responsibility.

Also, Bono we ain't. Some of us might look better naked than Bono. A few of us might even do more charity work than Bono, but if Bono climbed up on stage and pointed out that his audience wasn't stroking his ego hard enough, I hope someone would throw something heavy at him.

I went on a thanking spree but just had to quote this post in particular for extra thanks and seconding.

I've spent a lot of time evaluating myself, my style, my room... logging off angry and feeling like it's everyone's fault but my own... logging off sad and thinking I'm just not good enough... Saying things out of frustration that I later regret immensely... blah blah blah blah at that stuff that every single one of us, and anyone in just about any job goes through.
The one thing I have found over the last several years that has kind of settled in to this current really
enjoyable cam thing I have going on, is that it is me 90% of the time that is the creator of my bad nights.
Now we all have that 10% when it just doesn't matter what you are doing, it's just an off night. Meh, it happens... but I'm now more than ever a firm believer than if bad nights outweigh the good it's probably you and you may need to seriously evaluate your show/attitude from a critical standpoint. It took a lot of self evaluation to get to this point but I can confidently say now that if I have a bad night it's because I was off my groove and need to think about how I could have done better.

As some have already pointed out, MFC has grown and changed SO much in just the last three years. Not only is the number of girls online overall much higher but the type of entertainment offered is as well. What used to be a crazy wild show everyone talked about is now the norm. The bars have been raised so to speak and if we can't roll with the punches and grow with the beast, it will eat us... or stare at us blankly until we go mad. :lol:

I'm blabbing a lot but this is so relevant to the things I've been pondering so heavily lately so I can't help but yammer about what has brought me so much peace and happiness lately, and that's just holding myself accountable and not spoiling my own party with my grumpy grumbles int he end has made me a much happier camgirl.

This. All of this.

I have seen girls rise from a 500 camscore to top 20 within a year. I have seen top girls struggle after a year as their loyal customers dwindle away. Just recently, a girl I use to visit and tip on a regular basis had a blowout on Twitter where she exclaimed "MFC ISN'T THE SAME ANYMORE!!!!!!!"

I wanted to reply and say "You're right. Adapt. Evolve or die."

You HAVE to look at yourself first. You have to. The most offensive part of your post is when you say "You guys have to do better."
No. YOU have to do better. Because for ME to do better as a customer, means I'm gonna go find better entertainment. A girl that IS doing better.
You ARE the boring wife in this situation.

While some of the above statements are kind of harsh, I have to agree. Camming is a sales job and it's up to each sales person to convince the consumer that they want to buy what they are selling, that it's better than what the other sales people are selling and that they NEED it in their life. Everyone is going to have slow days (or even weeks) especially in a commission based job, but when I see girls on Twitter or whatever constantly complaining about not getting tips or how members need to "step it up" it's really unprofessional and quite frankly comes off as entitled and desperate.

I'm not trying to single out anyone in particular and I'm sorry if this came off as bitchy, but that's just my :twocents-02cents:

 

[TheCultOfLeo]

I'm not going to bash you...this isn't necessarily backlash either, it isn't even all directed at you (So when I say YOU, know that I may not be talking about you specifically), but it needs to be said. I agree with some of your points: Tip if you're enjoying, talk and interact, show appreciation, etc. These are basic principles that I can't argue against.

However, the problem is this...your experience on cam, your pay check and your enjoyment of your job DOES NOT fall on our shoulders at all...and not in the way you probably think I mean.

In your post you give the example of a rock star amped and ready to preform only to be dazed and unmotivated by a lack luster crowd. The problem here is...if it were Bono...he would still bust his ass to give an amazing performance. There are TONS of musicians who despite their audience not being excited, still give it their all…you win them over, you keep trying - that's how you make it to the top. Those artists know...what most cam models seem not to know. IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR SPOT, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOUR ALL - SOMEONE ELSE DOES.

One of the greatest pieces of advice I ever received in my adult life, was that it's not about how good you are its about how long you can be good. How consistent can you be? Rarely is it the person with the most talent or that "deserved" it the most that gets the reward. Its the person that works hardest and the longest. You're not in a good mood? You're uninspired? You don't feel sexy? Well OK...this new model "CutiePieBBGurl420" does...and her prices are cheaper too. Go to a "new" cute model's room...it's packed with so many members talking and tipping you'd think she was in the top 20. So no we won't "find [ourselves] surrounded by miserable women"...because we get new ones quite frequently.

I know anything dealing with a woman's body, her emotions, her sexual security, her confidence are all areas that need to be treaded lightly on and respected. Unfortunately, this is a business and your job is selling your body, your personality and your sexiness. It's sad to say, but as a cam model...you don't really have a lot of time to sit around pouting and being depressed...and that goes double for models that aren't exactly spring chickens anymore or who have been around for a while and are maybe getting a little stale. There are TONS of new models flooding MFC and other camsites every day, outpacing the rate at which members sign up for premium accounts, and it shows no signs of slowing down. There's more quality options now, you've got more competition. I remember when there would only be maybe 5-10 girls I found that were English speaking and attractive to me online at one time 3 years ago…now as I write this, I've got 74 on my friend's list...online...NOW! …but they're all doing the same thing and I can barely tell them apart. I rarely ever spend more than 5 minutes in a room these days. I pop from room to room not because I've got my dick out waiting for a free show but because I can't figure out why I should give model A my money instead of model B...or C...or D...all the way down to model ZZ.

Understand this. You've got tits, they've got tits. You've got an ass, they've got an ass. You've got a vagina...you get the point. You're all selling the same product...in a different color, with a different feature here or there. "This one comes with anal.","This one has blonde hair". Everyone has a "club", everyone has videos, everyone has a white board...so on and so forth. So really when you use the rockstar metaphor you have to imagine it more like this. "There's an abundance of rockstars in the world...and they all play the same 2-3 songs...over and over and over and over..." …as a fan how enthused are you to pay to go see a concert now?

Now I know there's something to be said about creative cam models who are constantly coming up with something new...only to have it stolen by some other cam model and then mass produced and devalued. To that all I can say is...it sucks. I know. Unfortunately, there's no patents on ways to plow your vagina...but such is life. Even Apple for all their patents still gets tons of other companies who will copy what they do. Their commercials, their style, their look. They have to keep innovating to stay ahead. That's why Blackberry is in the state that it is in today. They refused to continue to innovate, they thought they were so popular and had such a lock on the market and their pride was their downfall. However, while some girls are getting fucked over for skypes or gifts...you girls collectively are doing what most members can never do to you...FUCK YOURSELF...by stealing from each other and whitewashing each other instead of innovating.

There's also quite a few of you that are dehumanizing yourselves...and not in the "I pee for tokens bb" kind of way...and this doesn't apply to everyone but... "____ for tits, ____for ass. Let's get this cumshow going! Thank you hun." If I never knew what a cam model was...and I closed my eyes and just listened to some audio of one, I'd think they were some kind of coin operated robot sex doll. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't charge for things or fulfill requests without tips. I'm saying that for many of you that's all you are, that's all you do. "I'm not like that, I'm special, I'm unique, I'm a princess, I should be adored…like come on guys get with the program…don't you see how awesome I am? I should be doing better. I deserve to be #____" …that may very well be true…but you look…talk…act and do the exact same stuff as the 10 other girls next to you on my friend's list.

For all the "this site is about interaction" you girls have really boiled most of that away. It's so boring now. In the past 3 years I've been a member I've watched the personal experience die away almost completely on the site. Scroll though most model's profiles and you find more NOs, DONTs and DO FOR MEs than anything else. Those sections are a glaring example of how some models really don't get it. Anyone that's going to be an asshole to you...is going to be an asshole. They're not going to read your profile and decide not to be an asshole. Oh you don't like saying you don't do anal over and over? That's why you have it? Tough shit...there's people out there that don't like saying "would you like fries with that" or "would you like to sign up for our store credit card?". It really should be about WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU? HERE'S WHAT I LIKE TO DO. I'M OPEN TO THIS. But instead it's my topic, my vids, my bills, my rent, my rules, my club, my this, my that. You would think we're here to serve you!

"…the numbers don’t lie - there are easily 10x the viewers as there are models" It's probably closer to 80 or 100x, i'm sure there's some average room number statistic somewhere that would give us a more accurate ratio…but that's not the point. What's the ratio though of lazy cam models to members? Unoriginal model's to members? Undesirable model's to members? Let's be honest, not every girl on the site is a 10, hell not even a 6. "Well I don't mean ALL models…I only mean the models that do this, this and this." I hope that's not what you're thinking…because that's a slippery slope. One where you we can start to say "Maybe only girls that look like this, weigh this much, with tits this big, that do these types of shows…deserve to have their topics finished" …and maybe you don't fall into that range. Thankfully for you and other models, guys like a variety of girls all shapes and sizes…even still we're starting to see more and more models in of our favorite varieties and fetishes join the site.

What you also fail to understand is...guests make up a big part of this "10x" and don't WANT to tip. Wether they're cheap and logged on to an adult site called MyFreeCams expecting...i don't know a free cam show or they're premiums in disguise…they're not giving up the tokens. Basics, especially ones who have had their account for some time, WILL NEVER TIP. They're committed to the leech lifestyle...so committed they made an account when they didn't need to. BTW if you have a problem with guests/basics expecting a free show, you should have a look at the viral marketing site that MFC puts out...that basically says..."never pay for porn again, enjoy free shows" . You go on to say "…if even HALF of MFC viewers...contributed to the website just once a week, we’d all be hitting our goals" ...not likely. What you would probably see is a greater disparity between top and bottom models. You're more likely to see the rich get richer so to speak. Just like if everybody could buy any new car they wanted and they decided to buy a new one…you'd see a shit ton of Lamborghinis running up and down the streets and not so many KIAs.

Also understand YOU ARE ALL NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE YOUR GOALS. You can kill that Utopian dream. That's the nature of business and competition. There is a finite amount of member's disposable income that runs through MFC. Deal with it, you're not going to increase the amount of money we decide to allocate to you or the amount of people who decide to contribute simply by asking for it. A lot of you are shooting yourselves in the foot, borrowing from tomorrow. You burn your members out on an end of the month pay goal rally, then when the clock strikes 12AM PST…you ask them to help you make Top 100. Then next month is your birthday. Your cammiversary. Your moving fund.

Think about the amount of money that flows through mfc like a pie. It's your job every pay period to get as much of the pie as you can and that comes from being innovative, consistent, dedicated, sexy, genuine, entertaining, etc. With more and more models joining and less leaving, your slice is going to get smaller and smaller unless YOU do something. Wake up! You geniuses are bringing your friends on and telling them all how much money you make...yeah you maybe helped out a friend, yeah it'll be fun to cam with her...but you created direct competition for yourself. You girls have bought into some sisterhood and all for one attitude, but as more girls continue to come in, what you really need to be doing is dividing an conquering…because it's only going to keep getting harder…giggity. You need to fortify your position and expand market share.

Obviously shows still continue to happen, new models continue to move up into the 5000+ range...HELLOOOOO MFC isn't in trouble. They're not going bankrupt. They're still making their money…more money in fact…so tokens are still being spent. It's not that people have stopped tipping, they've stopped tipping YOU. What reason do they have to tip YOU and not someone else? To spend their time talking to YOU and not someone else. I'd wager that while you may think they're sitting there silently fapping to you and ignoring you...they're actually in another model's room...talking and possibly tipping. At least that's the mentality you should have, "Hey don't look at her guys, look over here!!!"

I spend most of my time in 1 regular's room that I tip regularly…without even a second thought…whom I adore still after 3 years…and continue to look forward to seeing her every day. I'm not the biggest tipper, but I'm not the lowest...I'm one of I'd say 25 regulars who for the most part all contribute to some degree. When our favorite model was in need, she didn't have to ask us to help her - we collectively got together and took care of it for her and surprised her. I honestly feel like regulars are the backbone of camming for middle-camscore models. What makes a regular a tipping regular and not just a talking regular? ...I don't know, but even just talkative "non-requesting" regulars are good because they add to the room environment and make it seem like fun place to be. Which I think to some degree we agree on, people need to talk and interact. However, I do notice an overwhelming trend of models trading in regulars for top tippers & club members. But I should also note that if most of your top tippers are regulars...maybe that should tell you something.

I know it sucks sometimes...welcome to the real world. Tons of people hate their job, hate the people they work for or with, hate their customers and have a hard time at work. You can either be the guy flipping burgers for the rest of your life complaining about how the job sucks until they replace you with some new kid or you can be the person that takes that crappy job swallows it, does your best and goes from burgers to manager to district manager to franchise owner to franchise founder. When I go to Wendy's to get a burger or go get my hair cut...they're not complaining to me about how they don't make enough, how they can't pay their rent or how I need to help make them be the #1 barber in the city. That is some BULLSHIT that you'll only see on camming sites. Oh you want to be Top 20? Contribute to your "promotion" in the camming world? In your career? ...how about you help me get a promotion at my fucking job and SUCK…MY…BOSS'…DICK?! Maybe then I can afford to just tip bomb away all your countdowns. Go on…do it…I'll wait…I didn't think so. That sound's real stupid right? You can't say "tokens for requests, don't ask if you're not tipping" one minute and then the next "help me meet my rent goal guys, my moving fund, furnish my cam room, I'm sick make me feel better with tips".

What you may be experiencing with guys talking less is more likely the result of, guys who are talkative and tipping, being in other more fun, fresher/newer or more original rooms. As for the ones that are in your room not saying anything...I think it's safe to say some of them are probably in 74 other rooms. Members don't need to step it up one bit. We could, we probably should…but its the cam models that NEED to step it up. The burden is on you to step it up as a cam model, because if you don't...this may be harsh but…you'll be replaced...and you're probably in the process of that happening already and you're too blind or proud to see it. Just like any business it's your job to sell me on why I need your product...why I should spend my money on you. It's your job to be original, innovative, reliable, high quality and competitively priced. I'm sorry you're not entitled to nice members, to regular tips, big tips, gifts, talkative members...you're not. You've got to work for what you want. If you get little perks along the way, gifts, big tips…out of the kindness of someone's heart…cherish them…but don't treat it as the norm. Our bosses aren't paying our rent when we can't, buying us gifts and paying us when we're not doing our job. We're probably doing more for you…than we do our own friends and family. So work hard for what you want, don't count on gifts and kindness. This is your JOB.

I honestly think models collectively need to stop being so generic and unpersonal. You're making yourselves so interchangeable and replaceable. You all have played right into MFC's best interest. There was a time when they might have been concerned about loosing a bigger name…but not anymore…because you're all the same now…and there's so many of you willing to take that person's place. They watch you fight over an arbitrary ranking to increase your productivity and their profit. Which is good business. Them displaying the top 21-100 was genius. You all fell for it. You all started selling video packs, you all started having clubs, you did double raffles, you all started to assimilate yourselves. Was it really so bad being #473 when you were having fun and still paying your bills with no worries? Was it worth it? You changed the landscape of MFC, not us.

Your repeat unoriginal uninspired unenthused cookie-cutter "my way or the highway" cumshows and topics are boiling MFC down to watching porn with your requests for tips playing the role of the annoying pop ups & ads. Some of you even after finishing your topics for shows still request for more tokens, sometimes threatening to stop the show if you don't get more. For this very reason I won't contribute to quite a few girl's countdowns or stay in their room no matter how hot, cute or fun I think they are. Imagine buying a TV, paying in full…taking it home and every 2 minutes it pauses your favorite TV show to ask you for money or it's going to shut off. I watch this happen over and over. You're spitting right in the face of the few people who were nice enough to contribute. "Sorry guys I don't think I'm going to stay on much longer". We all understand camscore and what not but with the looming threat of a canceled show hanging our heads we're reluctant to tip.

Sometimes, we look at you, the room activity and go…"there's no way this count is getting done, i'm not wasting my money" It's not that we don't have the money...it's that we don't want to pay for what you're selling...and not in the "i'm not paying some whore" kind of way...but in the way that people pirate blockbuster movies, or stream shows online, or pirate software, etc. Which I think is another variable to your woes. You work on the internet. The place where people steal, pirate and look for shit for free. Look at the increase in recorded shows on forums in the past year.

It's not that we don't want to talk to you...its that you have nothing to talk about other than yourself, your bills, your wants, your needs...or you're just boring on cam…or you're waiting on us to initiate things. Like the saying goes, a closed mouth doesn't get fed. You expect us to entertain you, for us to have something that interests you…and it should be the other way around. We're not a community of philanthropists looking for girls that we can help and make happy. We're not here to cater to you, but we do enjoy spoiling the girls that make an impression on us. I'm sorry if this doesn't sit well with you. I'm sorry if this comes off assholey. I'm sorry if this makes you sad, mad or cry. This is the career/job YOU chose if it makes you so unhappy, consider doing something else...and if you say to yourself "I don't want to, I like camming - it's good money and it's fun" ...then STFU, put a smile on your face, focus on the positive, keep working hard and realize how fortunate you are.

It takes a lot of work, it takes tough skin…raffles/vids/etc there's a lot to do...but it isn't a hard or difficult job. HOW DARE YOU CHASTISE SOMEONE THAT BREAKS THEIR BACK FOR THEIR MONEY, THAT WORKS A SHITTY JOB, THAT WORKS 50+ HOURS A WEEK, THAT HAS TO PUT UP WITH AN ASSHOLE OF A BOSS, THAT GETS UP AT THE CRACK OF DAWN TO PUT FOOD ON THEIR TABLE AND CLOTHES ON THEIR FAMILIES BACKS because YOU think you deserve more of their hard earned money!!! That's despicable. You're not a factory worker. You're not a garbage man. You don't flip burgers. You're not a physicist. You're not an engineer - You're your own boss. You control your hours. Slack off when you want to. Vacation when you want to. Sell what you want. Some of you work 2 hour days, 3-4 times a week. Appreciate what you have.

In closing I'll say this. If you're not making your bills/rent, you may need to consider a different job, a part time job, re-evaluate your finances and your lifestyle. If you're doing okay and all this complaining is out of greed and some arbitrary need to have a higher ranking? Be happy…stop demanding more and more draining your members - stretching them thin and alienating them, instead give more and more and more shall be given unto you. (lol…that sounds like something from the Bible) Be thankful that you have a relatively easy job, that the way you get your money is easier and more fun than most people out there in the world struggling and busting their asses. I personally may not make the kind of money I want…yet…but I'm so glad that I get to go do a job I actually enjoy - that I would be doing for free any way but it just so happens people want to pay me money to do it. I remember the days of sweeping the halls, folding clothes and answering phone calls…so no matter where I'm at right now…I appreciate it and how far I've come…and how far I can go still. I DONT EXPECT ANYONE TO HELP ME GO ANY FURTHER IN LIFE & MY CAREER OTHER THAN ME. If you don't like that, GO WORK A JOB WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN PLEASURE YOURSELF FOR MONEY AND SEE HOW MUCH YOU COMPLAIN THEN. …But in all seriousness. Chill on the complaining, begging, and bashing of us...don't take it personal and don't take what you have for granted. It's a job…a great job, work hard-er.

To cam models that don't fit anything I just said or are more/less a victim of their peer's greed coming to bite the cam girl community as a whole in the ass…to you I say I'm truly sorry. I really truly hope you hang in there. If you love it, you enjoy it, you appreciate it…keep doing it. There's a lot of really wonderful girls floating around the 1500-2500 range…and maybe the site flushes itself of the ungrateful, greedy and lazy models, hopefully your time will come and you seize the opportunity but don't abuse it…and know that it won't last forever.

To my fellow members: don't give in to begging, don't give into sob stories and don't reinforce backwards and ugly behavior. But DO support models that are sweet, sexy, smart or whatever makes you fancy them. If you like them…talk to them…engage them. If you enjoy them tip them. It doesn't have to be much - and never be lead to feel like you should do more than what you can comfortably do. The power that you have to change things on MFC, to get rid of the bitchy, entitled, arrogant and lame models is greater than you know…and that's the power of the almighty dollar.

- From an Active 2x Platinum Member
@TheCultOfLeo - http://twitter.com/thecultofleo

 

[RebeccaT]

The whole *they may be potential paying customers* is a crock of shit, I paid attention to the customers that bought the software and treated them well.

Actually I had a lot of interaction with potential customers as almost all of them would email (or call) with questions about the software with regards to updates/support and general features.

So you do pay attention to potential customers

But I digress. There are many sides to this. We all run our rooms in different ways, have different expectations of MFC and a different views on the open letter. I have found this thread to be one of the most interesting on this forum.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

I won't quote all of that and take up the page, but my first post here was about a man on tumblr who was calling us entitled and lazy.
So its meant to be read as a response to that, because I dont think anyone who works as hard as many of us do should be called either of those things.

If you want my ideas on the actual letter, its my second post.
Please don't take my words out of context to seemingly mean "give me all your money because I do stuff". I'm not spoiled.
We talk about how hard camming is because people don't KNOW how hard camming is. It's taboo and not generally understood at this time. Most people only know "she touches herself".
:handgestures-salute: :thumbleft:


And second, if you've never built a large twitter following, my point was that its difficult and takes a lot of advertising work to make people want to see you every single day.

 

[GingerAnn]

Here is what I think.

I think it is my job to be entertaining, and that if the client/customer/member is not BUYING today then .. in any other industry its not the customer you blame. Its the seller.
In our case, its not just ourselves that are the sellers, its also MFC.. we are using their platform and in some cases, when its not up to par.. we suffer.

You blame customers for basic respectful things: you walk into a store, you dont get to throw stuff all over the isles. You go to a concert you dont get to heckle the performer. etc.

However you don't blame them for not being moved to part with their cash if your pitch isn't good enough.

BUT - if you are sitting in a room for a while, and are NOT moved to contribute in some way - financially or by talking - then you are NOT being respectful if you stay.. (this is not aimed at a regular tipper but soemone who has come across a new model and has no intention of tipping or talking ever because she is 'not entertaining' enough for whatever reason).
I would NEVER walk up to a busker, in the street - listen to the entire performance for more than a few minutes then walk away.. without throwing them a few nickels. If they're NOT good enough for me to do this, then i would not stay to listen. Same goes in chat rooms.. its NOT respectful to stay for hours and ignore a girl. It's JUST NOT. Talking, chatting etc - that is work and we do deserve to get paid for our time. If our brand of social camming is not something you enjoy, dont waste our time... it IS disrespectful.

I did *empathaize* with the frustration that ash is expressing in this post. Sometimes you want to shake your room and just fucking kick them over and over. But my bad days are - as jolene said, usually mostly a creation of my own lack of being on my A game in some way or other. Sometimes they're just off, but even then.. I'm not really going to blame them for being unmoved to part with cash. Its just what was going on that day.

I also understand that it can be incredibly hard when what you're selling is, yourself. its personal. Even when you try to be objective its PERSONAL.

What i wish is.. that we could all just treat each other like human beings with respect.

That models wouldn't treat members like ATM's (not saying ash does..)

That members would remember that even though they are waiting to be entertained, and might not be the way they'd like or whatever, that the person sitting in front of them IS a person.. and deserves to be treated as such.

And that we ALL practice expressing respect and gratitude for each other.. and i think this is a human responsiblity, and the reason MFC can turn into such a shit show sometimes is when these two things aren't being done - either by members OR models..

So maybe we should *all* step up our game in those regards.

Speaking of respect, some of the hateful responses you got to this ash, were ridiculous. I'm really sorry they were so disrespectful.

But some of the things you said "boring wife" comment were really uncalled for too. You replied in one post earlier how you could see how that could be offensive, but its not just about seeing it..its about saying 'i wish i hadn't said that' when you say something that's uncalled for. I didn't see you doing that.. so yeah, i really feel like if you're going to ask for respect, we have to demonstrate it...

That said, i mean I'm not perfect.. so its not like i can really sit here and pick you apart over this.

I agree with this so much and I actually teared up reading it. Thank you, Lolli.
Just being decent humans towards each other, in any scenario, job, or walk of life, will make the experience better for everyone involved.

I am glad for the angry twitter guy and glad for this thread because I honestly retweeted this way too swiftly yesterday. I agree with a lot of what the original post says and had this moment of "oh my god, inorite?! RETWEET" without giving it proper thought or consideration. And now, I gotta agreed with JJ that this kind of attitude is poison. I'm guilty of it myself and I am going to change that pronto.

I do still think there are times that the silence is not 100% our own faults. I have nights where I feel amazing, look amazing, and am chatty and fun and have a big room count, and it still flops. I don't think every time a night sucks, or even anytime you have a streak of bad nights, means you need to improve yourself. MFC is fucking random sometimes, and it can take a lot to accept that and keep trying when shit sucks.

 

[UncleThursday]

Today's guests, basics, lurking premiums are all tomorrow's tippers.

Not always true. In fact, I'd say it's a minority that will be the 'next tipper.' There are people who have been guests or basics for years, and have 0 desire to ever be anything beyond that. There are people we call $20 basics, they spent the $20, once, to just not be muted in chat automatically, and have no intention of ever spending another penny on the site; they get access to the lounge, that's all they need to find free shows. Ever look at the most popular room part of the site? The regular lounge is almost always top 5, as an example.

Even for those of us with over 30k+ reward points, you can't assume we'll be the next tippers. A lot of us look at our reward points and think to ourselves, Jesus, I could have bought a car. Or man, how much other stuff I could have if I hadn't spent this much on the site. We know some members who have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on a single model over the years (one guy claimed to have spent over $20k on one model, alone), and we begin to think to ourselves we can't let ourselves fall into that trap. That's a ton of money to spend on one girl even over the course of a few years.

Many of us 'bigger spenders' have cut back our general MFC spending. We don't look for new girls very often, and if we add any to our lists, it's normally to watch from a lounge. When we do buy tokens, it's generally for a favorite and generally when we know we want a private/video sale/etc. with said favorite, not just for general tipping. If we do spread tokens around, don't expect much more than 10 tokens from us at a time, unless you have a video sale going on that interests us or some other such. Many of us have plenty of archives from past privates we can always go back to if we feel the urge but don't want to spend or can't spend any money at the time.

So, don't expect lurking guests, basics or premiums to be a tipper in the future. It's a lot rarer than you might think.

 

[Shaun__]

tl:dr

I tried to read it, but the dense wall of text defeated me.

 

[Sevrin]

Today's guests, basics, lurking premiums are all tomorrow's tippers.

Not always true. In fact, I'd say it's a minority that will be the 'next tipper.'

I think what Rebecca meant was "potential tipper". Everyone knows that that most people don't tip. Whatever. The important thing is, that someone is going to be the next tipper.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

tl:dr

I tried to read it, but the dense wall of text defeated me.

Aren't you relieved he didn't use the other 38,369 characters he could have? :lol:

 

[UncleThursday]

tl:dr

I tried to read it, but the dense wall of text defeated me.

Cohesive and understandable paragraphs and sentences do not a wall of text make. Not a short read, but one that wasn't hard to read, either.

It's a shame that so many on the web love to use the TL;DR thing in response to anything that might take more than 5 seconds to read. You can even see it in short, 3 small paragraph posts in plenty of forums. It's the equivalent of throwing your hand up in front of someone's face as soon as they open their mouths and saying 'talk to the hand!' just because it might take some sort of minimal effort to actually grasp what they're saying.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Today's guests, basics, lurking premiums are all tomorrow's tippers.

Not always true. In fact, I'd say it's a minority that will be the 'next tipper.' There are people who have been guests or basics for years, and have 0 desire to ever be anything beyond that. There are people we call $20 basics, they spent the $20, once, to just not be muted in chat automatically, and have no intention of ever spending another penny on the site; they get access to the lounge, that's all they need to find free shows. Ever look at the most popular room part of the site? The regular lounge is almost always top 5, as an example.

So, don't expect lurking guests, basics or premiums to be a tipper in the future. It's a lot rarer than you might think.

+1

The chronic freeloaders I call them. PlayboyMegan and other models play a ban the basic game, , I always tip to ban oldest basic and tell Megan how long the guy has been a basic. She gives a funny speech pointing out how lame they are for freeload for so long. I pretty much can always find someone who has been around 5 or 6 years. Which when you think about is longer than virtually all of the models in the "How long you've been camming thread". I suspect many of them will still be basic after 1/2 models in the thread have quit camming.

But who can blame them, since MFC hasn't enforced the no masturbation/toys in public rule for years why pay now when you can see everything you want in public. Lots of models allow basics to chats, so what can't they do basics do beside PM and MFC mail? BFD I honestly have no idea how many $20 premium there are but I bet it ain't a small number and as long as they hide their tokens and reward points plenty of models will interact with them politely, in hope of being tipped.

 

[TheCultOfLeo]

tl:dr

I tried to read it, but the dense wall of text defeated me.

Aren't you relieved he didn't use the other 38,369 characters he could have? :lol:

It's not a short read, it's not a short post. It's an indepth analysis of some of the issues plaguing the adult web cam experience, from a member's point of view. Read one paragraph read two...hell skip through and pick one or two at random to read. I feel as though each is a self contained thought and analysis. It might make you want to read more.

...If it's a technical issue. You can read it all here: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s0rnva

 

[Shaun__]

It's not a short read, it's not a short post. It's an indepth analysis of some of the issues plaguing the adult web cam experience, from a member's point of view. Read one paragraph read two...hell skip through and pick one or two at random to read. I feel as though each is a self contained thought and analysis. It might make you want to read more.

...If it's a technical issue. You can read it all here: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s0rnva

I was lying, I had actually read it. I just found it arrogant, egotistical, and the typical mansplanation I see all the time. I was just poking fun at the length for an excuse to post a cute gif.