Teagan_Chase said:Heres the thing. There are several threads ripping apart several other cam sites TOS out there. Most are in the models only area, but i assure u they are there. We know what were signing, and have to sign, and what cam sites do with our broadcasts. All to well we know it. The thing is you came here claiming to be different. Not the standard. In order not to be the standard you have to break away from that standard that every one else uses and actually be different. MFC, Stream, etc may all have similar if not exact TOS but they arent fledgling companies asking girls to take a chance on them, advertise for them, and believe what someone in a forum says rather than what contract they have to sign. YOU ARE. So before you come back with some new retort all butt hurt that what youre saying is not what were expected to sign maybe you should think about that fact. Maybe you should realize you have some great ideas for a new site, put a lot of time and effort and money in im sure, and maybe if you did some major things differently that other sites dont do, you could compete with them someday. Instead youre telling us basically every site is the same so just shut up and sign on the dotted line. Nope. Sorry. Cause at least the companies us models work for advertise for us, theyre established, we know were gonna get paid. The members get numerous other benefits to boot. You offer none of that to either side.
You promised an improvement... Youre not. You may not intend to do all these things in the TOS but to bad. Were not signing and agreeing on intent here. If u decide to have a change of heart one day you can. You can record everything, sell anything, do whatever you want and you wouldnt even have to notify the members or models of a TOS update cause we already signed it all away.
Now i appreciate you coming here and making it look like we have any say in what you do with your site, but thats obviously a facade. The only things you have offered to change are spelling errors and some wording in your TOS. None of our suggestions have been implemented, taken into account, or taken seriously. I swear if someone actually came along and did what we suggested itd be the best site ever, but no. Youre just one of the many who comes in all shiny and new when really its just foil over a bag of poop.
Im going to leave with this statement of yours..
If its your site then its up to u if it happens or not. Youre the one recording the shows or not. You dont put something in your terms of service just cause it can happen but you dont intend it to. That makes no sense.Can we omit it? Yes. Should we? No, because as with most Terms and Conditions, they are in place not BECAUSE they DO happen, but because in this industry that can happen.
I think we have taken many of your opinions and ideas for our site. We are talking Terms and Conditions now, which is different than the options and functions that we are offering. So to be fair, what are fair terms and conditions that protect you as a user, you as a model, or you as an owner? Put yourself in all shoes and lets open it up to what it should be. You are 100% right, this is my site and I can make them whatever I want them to be, just so long as I have the required statements and information for merchant services and laws, which is another point to take into consideration in all TOS and why they are all the same (Not copy and past @watchdog, but thanks for your input). Merchants, VISA, MasterCard, and certain laws require certain statements.
But aside from those, I am very interested in what would make this a different Terms and Conditions and I am more than happy to open it for constructive suggestions. Just please keep in mind that we have to protect all levels of intelligence, and all levels of users, owners, affiliates, or investors. We don't want to reinvent the wheel here (which is why all TOS look the same @watchdog), but it is collaboration and user/model involvement that make us different, so please have at it. I think it's a great idea.
Here is my first change...I will remove the statement about recording and archives not being available. Since we do not offer it, we don't need to explain why it isn't available. So what are some other ideas?