MFC vs. CB

[Catscratch_and_Moose]

hi All, I have noticed that here in the forum the popularity is pretty much divided between MFC and CB models
and less on the other platforms.

I myself have only experienced CB and never tried MFC before, so I come out with a question as I am sure many of you models know, as many of you were on both at some point in your cam life.

can some one list the fundamental differences between the two platforms (CB vs. MFC) ??
less on the Tech differences but more on the concept, business model, type of crowd, etc...
the question is mainly from a Model/performer prospective rather than a viewer / consumer prospective.

a very good fundamental difference example: I was told by some model that used to be in MFC in the past, that the spirit of MFC in general is based more on Private and group shows income, while CB is more on public shows...

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[AudriTwo]

Neither for me. I don't like token sites, and prefer private based/per minute. I didn't find MFC to be private centered since I couldn't get one for the life of me going, imo. That could of changed in 5 years however.

 

[SpookybunzSM]

MFC is also public shows, I think you may be getting MFC and Streamate mixed up, because Streamate is only private and group show based.

That being said, I think the main differences between the two are;
CB is for everyone (couples, male solo, female solo, groups, trans), so I think it kind of changes the dynamic of traffic a little bit.
It seems like CB is a little more sex focused, where MFC is very much about the connection between models and members.

Tech wise, MFC seems to be really upping their game. CB seems to be lagging behind in that department.
Especially with MFC share coming in and having a lot of cool features.
CB's bot and app system seems to need a lot of work.

Either way I'm not a big fan of either of the sites, if I had to choose, I would say MFC because of how much work they've been putting into upgrading their features.
I think I'm getting too old for the token rat race dynamic, though.

 

[AmberCutie]

I was told by some model that used to be in MFC in the past, that the spirit of MFC in general is based more on Private and group shows income, while CB is more on public shows...

MFC is also public shows, I think you may be getting MFC and Streamate mixed up, because Streamate is only private and group show based.

Yeah that^^. MFC seems more focused on friendly social public shows, CB seems more focused on sexy hardcore public shows. Sorta like Spooky mentions here:

It seems like CB is a little more sex focused, where MFC is very much about the connection between models and members.

The fact that MFC has their own content host site (Share) and are only using in-house bots (Charlesbot and now MFCAlerts were bought/hired by MFC so they're fully integrated) instead of having user-made bots is a big thing to me. Also, MFC may have an outdated look (people say it looks like it's from the early 90s, those pesky palm trees lol) but they do not have scummy looking ads all over the place. I really hate that about CB, as well as their banhappy ways. The freedom we have on MFC is probably the biggest difference and perk.

 

[Catscratch_and_Moose]

the greatest input so far by your reply from my prospective is the fact that MFC is more socialized oriented then focusing on body exposure, etc..
which I feel I relate more to.
I am very social person and i get bored really quickly if there is no dynamics in my room, what i mean by it, I really need people to communicate
have fun , make funny jokes come up with all kinds of funny and Stupid remarks & ideas, etc. and much more.
on CB I feel i have many "boring" days which puts me off caming altogether many times...
i wonder if things would be different in MFC in general...

 

[JustOmi]

In my experience, Chaturbate is overtly sexual. Probably sounds weird considering we’re talking about cam sites but I like the community feel of MFC. On CB I’m kind of just treated like a sex doll. Open my legs, why aren’t I naked. And maybe it’s cause I haven’t streamed there long enough to get a room and following going but I don’t care for the feel much at all.

Also, MFCShare is the probably the best site feature I’ve run into hands down. Being able to host my videos, items, photosets, and cam all in the same place seamlessly is super dope.

 

[dark_mermaid]

Chaturbate, since I "only" cam live and have no pictures or videos or any other content to sell. I cannot compete against these "offline" tokens in camscore. Also love the apps and bots of cb, especially all hidden cam apps.

 

[PeachyNeko]

Im very torn between the two now! Before I dappled in chaturbate and was on MFC more. I was intimidated by the more sexual nature of CB and felt like i needed to cater to that.

A couple weeks ago though I had two crappy weeks on MFC that bummed me out (especially being new, i was scared for my camscore) so I went back to CB for a while. This past week and a half has been way better than most of my time on MFC! Especially surprising considering its holiday season.

I decided to just keep doing my usual tease model thang, and doing much better than I expected. My follower count and viewer counts are going up each day now.

I think maybe the fact that I'm both in a popular catagory (bigtits) and maybe also not doing the same thing as many of the girls on there has helped?

Im gunna keep going with CB for now to see if this awesomeness continues into the new year for me.

I also really like being able to customize my room with the bots, I've made it fit my aesthetic nicely and Ive been playing the slot game as well which people like!

 

[Catscratch_and_Moose]

Chaturbate, since I "only" cam live and have no pictures or videos or any other content to sell. I cannot compete against these "offline" tokens in camscore. Also love the apps and bots of cb, especially all hidden cam apps.

leaving a side all those offline Videos, Pictures and so..
Can't you Cam live on MFC with the same success rate as in CB?

 

[dark_mermaid]

leaving a side all those offline Videos, Pictures and so..
Can't you Cam live on MFC with the same success rate as in CB?

I'm in no way representative lol but no, i coud not. Basically I offered the same things on both sites and on mfc i couldn't really generate tips with it. The whole feeling was different on mfc, basically there was an almost empty room (meaning the number of users was much, much smaller) on mfc, no public chat (everyone pmed me and users do not have to be in your room to do that). MFC seemed to me as VERY much 1:1 attention for users, whereas on cb my room was a "crowd", in good days even a gang (users knew each other, chatted with each other).
But again, I'm absolutely not representative at all.

 

[AmberCutie]

Chaturbate, since I "only" cam live and have no pictures or videos or any other content to sell. I cannot compete against these "offline" tokens in camscore. Also love the apps and bots of cb, especially all hidden cam apps.

leaving a side all those offline Videos, Pictures and so..
Can't you Cam live on MFC with the same success rate as in CB?

I do think it's harder for models to cam on MFC if they don't offer content for sale. It's true and I can see why she feels she can't compete on MFC. The way camscore/default placement and rank work make it much harder if not impossible without content sales.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Room counts in general are MUCH MUCH lower on MFC than on Chaturbate, however from my understanding, earnings per model are much higher on MFC.

I started on MFC before chaturbate even existed and I’ve stuck with it as my only cam site. I have a group there and it’s my home. I honestly don’t think MFC looks all that outdated, I think it looks simple and easy to understand for all generations of cam viewers, without distracting gross ads of weird animated monster porn flailing at you. Sleek flashy sites are great but there is something to be said for the success of a simple layout.
I think it’s easy navigation, newspaper like layout and lack of distracting ads probably leads to the higher earnings.

 

[PeachyNeko]

I'm in no way representative lol but no, i coud not. Basically I offered the same things on both sites and on mfc i couldn't really generate tips with it. The whole feeling was different on mfc, basically there was an almost empty room (meaning the number of users was much, much smaller) on mfc, no public chat (everyone pmed me and users do not have to be in your room to do that). MFC seemed to me as VERY much 1:1 attention for users, whereas on cb my room was a "crowd", in good days even a gang (users knew each other, chatted with each other).
But again, I'm absolutely not representative at all.

I heartily agree with this!! Thank you for putting it into words for me.

I LOVE the chatting and interaction of camming, and I find I get a better experience of that on Chaturbate. People also enjoy my vibe and personality, which obviously is easier for me to show if I'm talking more. It's easier to have people to talk to when there's 300+ people in your room compared to 30.

 

[AmberCutie]

I honestly don’t think MFC looks all that outdated, I think it looks simple and easy to understand for all generations of cam viewers, without distracting gross ads of weird animated monster porn flailing at you. Sleek flashy sites are great but there is something to be said for the success of a simple layout.

I actually really agree with you. So many people say it's outdated looking, but I kinda wonder why. I am guessing they've become accustomed to the newer flashy sites.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

the greatest input so far by your reply from my prospective is the fact that MFC is more socialized oriented then focusing on body exposure, etc..
which I feel I relate more to.
I am very social person and i get bored really quickly if there is no dynamics in my room, what i mean by it, I really need people to communicate
have fun , make funny jokes come up with all kinds of funny and Stupid remarks & ideas, etc. and much more.
on CB I feel i have many "boring" days which puts me off caming altogether many times...
i wonder if things would be different in MFC in general...

In this regard, there are some very explicit shows on MFC as well. But, for the vast majority, it is a socialization site more than sexualization such as it is with CB.

Give MFC a try, and see how you do with it. But, like CB, it may take a bit to get some traffic. Especially with there being so many models now. I know I've heard many models complaining about how the number of models have skyrocketed recently. I do see their point, and I agree in some ways. Just like everything, there has to be new to replace the old that leaves (same with us members). But, I think far too many people think it's easy money to just sit there and be given tips with little or no interaction.

 

[dark_mermaid]

What does "socialize" even mean? I've only been on mfc for three months. Is socializing=getting close to a model? I had the feeling mfc users generally wanted to be much "closer" to me than my cb users (asked for my snap, insta, kik, whatsapp, only used pm or mail, "almost" dating me) whereas on cb there was a harder barrier between me and my users, which is more what i like. And if may say, it was completely sexualized too but a lot more 1:1 as opposed to...say...a ticket show for my twenty regular users at cb, which is a "gang" feeling.

Edit: I just looked at the mfc rooms with most users. While there is some tipping, there is still barely any public chat (and almost never from the tippers). How does that even work? I'm really interested. It's a black box and a mistery for me.

 

[Mila_]

Chaturbate:
Pros: so much traffic, cool members with reasonable expectations, people tip for interactive experience in room be it goals or tip activated toys and no “extras” as in content, off site contact or care packages are required. Most models are super chill and friendly. Best affiliate program out there hands down.
Cons: support is pretty bad, rules are inconsistently applied and lately there is just too many server and connectivity problems.

MFC:
Pros: more “classy” females only site, more competitive atmosphere forces you to be creative, site support actually seems to like their models.
Cons: low room count, low interaction, most tipping is done by 1 or 2 deep pocket members which makes you rely too much on them and forces you to cater to their whims. Crazy expectation on the part of the members of what tokens buy. Most will expect a live show plus content plus forever gratitude plus offsite contact. Next level clinginess on many members. Camscore system is bad for mental health and easily cheated. “Star system” feel to the performers from Miss MFC creates toxic environment and drama. Admins are more concerned with going to AVN type conventions than keeping their site functional and up to industry standards in terms of new technologies. Affiliate program done through CrakRevenue will shave you clean.

I prefer CB.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

What does "socialize" even mean? I've only been on mfc for three months. Is socializing=getting close to a model? I had the feeling mfc users generally wanted to be much "closer" to me than my cb users (asked for my snap, insta, kik, whatsapp, only used pm or mail, "almost" dating me) whereas on cb there was a harder barrier between me and my users, which is more what i like. And if may say, it was completely sexualized too but a lot more 1:1 as opposed to...say...a ticket show for my twenty regular users at cb, which is a "gang" feeling.

Edit: I just looked at the mfc rooms with most users. While there is some tipping, there is still barely any public chat (and almost never from the tippers). How does that even work? I'm really interested. It's a black box and a mistery for me.

Socializing, in regards to general chat about different things. Not all rooms are that way, and I think it really depends on the time of day and demographics. But, in the rooms I'm commonly in (US/CAN based models), there's a lot of talk in the room between members and model. Tips generally happen. Most are either public, or ninja (most times what I do).

 

[dark_mermaid]

Talk in public chat at mfc or by other means? And by chat about different things I somehow have the feeling this is pm, right?

 

[Catscratch_and_Moose]

wow Milla_, it seems you did your research really deep dive...
very helpful information, thanks!!!

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Talk in public chat at mfc or by other means? And by chat about different things I somehow have the feeling this is pm, right?

It varies, as I know some models (and members) prefer via PM. But, again, the rooms I generally am in are active within the MFC chat room. Yes, there's some PM's going on behind the scene. But, for myself, I try to keep those very limited as I'm sure she's getting hammered with many PM's from others. As to chat/communication elsewhere, sure there's some models I chat with via app. But, again, I keep that limited as I don't want to bother her.

Regarding the "different things" it could be various topics in the room. Model's events, some current topics (usually non-political), movies, etc., a lot of joking where models and members will poke fun at one another. I've been in @AmberCutie 's room a few times, and her room is pretty busy with chat as well if you'd like to see. Mostly for these active rooms, it's regulars who have gotten to know one another, so there's a history to have discussions about. but, they are also generally welcoming to new people so long as they aren't dipshits. Those usually get run off pretty quickly.


But, that being said, if you look at EE models rooms to NA models rooms, the EE models are more quiet and generally don't talk as much. Of course, there's exceptions. But, I think that might be the culture differences also. EE models are more strict/stern and tend to sit still, doing more of a sex show than interact in conversation. NA and more WE models are more sociable. At least that is the impression I have from 3 years on MFC, and checking out different rooms. It might be cultural, perhaps because of language barrier or studios. Again, there are exceptions to everything.

 

[AmberCutie]

Socializing, in regards to general chat about different things. Not all rooms are that way, and I think it really depends on the time of day and demographics. But, in the rooms I'm commonly in (US/CAN based models), there's a lot of talk in the room between members and model. Tips generally happen. Most are either public, or ninja (most times what I do).

Talk in public chat at mfc or by other means? And by chat about different things I somehow have the feeling this is pm, right?

Regarding the "different things" it could be various topics in the room. Model's events, some current topics (usually non-political), movies, etc., a lot of joking where models and members will poke fun at one another. I've been in @AmberCutie 's room a few times, and her room is pretty busy with chat as well if you'd like to see. Mostly for these active rooms, it's regulars who have gotten to know one another, so there's a history to have discussions about. but, they are also generally welcoming to new people so long as they aren't dipshits. Those usually get run off pretty quickly.

Example of the first 10 minutes or so in my public chat on Monday night to give you an idea how laid back and chatty we are. The discussions were what we did that day, what is on my food plate that was showing. Also note a handful of different tippers in that time frame chipping in to my overall goal for the night, not for any action/item in particular:

08:32:07 PM Topic: Date night Amber! Click the link in chat/on whiteboard to pitch into the goal... want to have a cum show after dinner! **smooches** to all my dates tonight!
08:32:19 PM AmberCutie: Tonight's goal - click the link to pitch in! - https://share.myfreecams.com/g/5a875h8z
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08:33:54 PM TyrionTheTall: Good evening beautiful.
08:34:07 PM CharlesBot: Follow @AmberLynneGirl on Twitter to keep up with Amber's schedule and daily life! https://twitter.com/AmberLynneGirl
08:34:46 PM King_Cali has tipped AmberCutie 60 tokens for Date Night!.
08:34:55 PM Yeehaw579: Howdy Amber. You look amazing!
08:35:02 PM Yeehaw579: Hey everyone
08:35:03 PM ACs_Larry:

08:35:18 PM colwebs has tipped AmberCutie 50 tokens.
08:35:19 PM bud9752:

Yeehaw
08:35:22 PM King_Cali:

yeehaw
08:35:35 PM Yeehaw579 has tipped AmberCutie 100 tokens for Date Night!.
08:35:37 PM CharlesBot: Join the 12 days of AmberLandMas club! Raffle winner pulled at the end - https://share.myfreecams.com/m/ppv6h0qf

08:36:08 PM colwebs: have you got a favourite on your plate ? looks very good...
08:36:34 PM colwebs: I love crab in every way ...
08:36:56 PM ZenHedonist: Yeehaw

08:37:03 PM TyrionTheTall has tipped AmberCutie 60 tokens for My First Panty Stuff Cum.
08:37:07 PM CharlesBot: Instant access to watch (works on mobile!) OR download Amber's Videos here! -- > http://mfc.me/ambercutie
08:37:29 PM TyrionTheTall has tipped AmberCutie 200 tokens for Date Night!.
08:37:31 PM ZenHedonist: raised hell on Twitter?
08:37:40 PM ACs_Larry: Sorry I have been out of touch but Date Night Link?
08:37:40 PM ACs_Johnny: The usual. Work, the some shopping after work
08:37:45 PM colwebs: been to a Christmas market with some ex work colleagues ...
08:37:46 PM Duo__: I ain't do shit
08:38:03 PM Duo__: I don't count work
08:38:04 PM bud9752:

Duoshii
08:38:08 PM ACs_Johnny: Duoshi
08:38:10 PM AmberCutie: Tonight's goal - click the link to pitch in! - https://share.myfreecams.com/g/5a875h8z
08:38:11 PM ZenHedonist: Had a beer
08:38:11 PM Duo__: Hey All
08:38:17 PM ZenHedonist: Duo

08:38:20 PM Yeehaw579: Duo
08:38:29 PM ACs_Johnny: Zen didnt just have a beer, he had a pint.
08:38:29 PM Duo__ has tipped AmberCutie 5 tokens.
08:38:37 PM CharlesBot: Check out this graphic for info on the Gingerbread dudes and Snowflakes danglers!

08:38:51 PM ZenHedonist: Pint and a half!
08:38:53 PM TyrionTheTall: Xmas shopping & gym tomorrow
08:39:05 PM Yeehaw579: Worked. Broke my big toe.

Admins are more concerned with going to AVN type conventions than keeping their site functional and up to industry standards in terms of new technologies.

That's a low blow. Having spoken with multiple admins over the years to help test stuff, it always pains me to see such brash statements made about what people think their intentions are. Keep in mind it's easier to build with new technologies from the ground up, but having to keep platforms running that were coded ages ago and still update them with newer stuff is a different story.

And I know many disagree that it's enough, but clearly MFC's main form of advertising is via all the live shows and whatnot. Their name is now synonymous with all of the major industry shows and awards since they're always the biggest sponsors.

 

[MFCuser]

Example of the first 10 minutes or so in my public chat on Monday night to give you an idea how laid back and chatty we are. The discussions were what we did that day, what is on my food plate that was showing. Also note a handful of different tippers in that time frame chipping in to my overall goal for the night, not for any action/item in particular:

08:32:07 PM Topic: Date night Amber! Click the link in chat/on whiteboard to pitch into the goal... want to have a cum show after dinner! **smooches** to all my dates tonight!
08:32:19 PM AmberCutie: Tonight's goal - click the link to pitch in! - https://share.myfreecams.com/g/5a875h8z
08:32:37 PM CharlesBot: Get 60 days of Amber's Snapchat, be part of the club! - https://share.myfreecams.com/m/9uvbqko8 - you can have recurring subscription too!
08:33:54 PM TyrionTheTall: Good evening beautiful.
08:34:07 PM CharlesBot: Follow @AmberLynneGirl on Twitter to keep up with Amber's schedule and daily life! https://twitter.com/AmberLynneGirl
08:34:46 PM King_Cali has tipped AmberCutie 60 tokens for Date Night!.
08:34:55 PM Yeehaw579: Howdy Amber. You look amazing!
08:35:02 PM Yeehaw579: Hey everyone
08:35:03 PM ACs_Larry:

08:35:18 PM colwebs has tipped AmberCutie 50 tokens.
08:35:19 PM bud9752:

Yeehaw
08:35:22 PM King_Cali:

yeehaw
08:35:35 PM Yeehaw579 has tipped AmberCutie 100 tokens for Date Night!.
08:35:37 PM CharlesBot: Join the 12 days of AmberLandMas club! Raffle winner pulled at the end - https://share.myfreecams.com/m/ppv6h0qf

08:36:08 PM colwebs: have you got a favourite on your plate ? looks very good...
08:36:34 PM colwebs: I love crab in every way ...
08:36:56 PM ZenHedonist: Yeehaw

08:37:03 PM TyrionTheTall has tipped AmberCutie 60 tokens for My First Panty Stuff Cum.
08:37:07 PM CharlesBot: Instant access to watch (works on mobile!) OR download Amber's Videos here! -- > http://mfc.me/ambercutie
08:37:29 PM TyrionTheTall has tipped AmberCutie 200 tokens for Date Night!.
08:37:31 PM ZenHedonist: raised hell on Twitter?
08:37:40 PM ACs_Larry: Sorry I have been out of touch but Date Night Link?
08:37:40 PM ACs_Johnny: The usual. Work, the some shopping after work
08:37:45 PM colwebs: been to a Christmas market with some ex work colleagues ...
08:37:46 PM Duo__: I ain't do shit
08:38:03 PM Duo__: I don't count work
08:38:04 PM bud9752:

Duoshii
08:38:08 PM ACs_Johnny: Duoshi
08:38:10 PM AmberCutie: Tonight's goal - click the link to pitch in! - https://share.myfreecams.com/g/5a875h8z
08:38:11 PM ZenHedonist: Had a beer
08:38:11 PM Duo__: Hey All
08:38:17 PM ZenHedonist: Duo

08:38:20 PM Yeehaw579: Duo
08:38:29 PM ACs_Johnny: Zen didnt just have a beer, he had a pint.
08:38:29 PM Duo__ has tipped AmberCutie 5 tokens.
08:38:37 PM CharlesBot: Check out this graphic for info on the Gingerbread dudes and Snowflakes danglers!

08:38:51 PM ZenHedonist: Pint and a half!
08:38:53 PM TyrionTheTall: Xmas shopping & gym tomorrow
08:39:05 PM Yeehaw579: Worked. Broke my big toe.




That's a low blow. Having spoken with multiple admins over the years to help test stuff, it always pains me to see such brash statements made about what people think their intentions are. Keep in mind it's easier to build with new technologies from the ground up, but having to keep platforms running that were coded ages ago and still update them with newer stuff is a different story.

And I know many disagree that it's enough, but clearly MFC's main form of advertising is via all the live shows and whatnot. Their name is now synonymous with all of the major industry shows and awards since they're always the biggest sponsors.

This is a great example of a good MFC room. I almost think of it as a neighborhood bar. I come in expecting some good conversation and a fun place to hang out, the sexy stuff is almost like a side dish. On CB the sexy stuff is more of the main dish. Its good if that is what I am looking for, but MFC is better for me most days.

 

[Mila_]

That's a low blow. Having spoken with multiple admins over the years to help test stuff, it always pains me to see such brash statements made about what people think their intentions are. Keep in mind it's easier to build with new technologies from the ground up, but having to keep platforms running that were coded ages ago and still update them with newer stuff is a different story.

And I know many disagree that it's enough, but clearly MFC's main form of advertising is via all the live shows and whatnot. Their name is now synonymous with all of the major industry shows and awards since they're always the biggest sponsors.

I know you are emotionally invested on MFC and you are a loyal person which is a quality I love in you, but I didn’t mean anything as a blow, low or otherwise. My experience in this industry is camsites don’t care about me personally and so I have a detached and objective perspective. A model asked for comparisons and I am in a special position to talk about this because I worked 3 years in each site succeeding in both. Not everyone has to agree with my opinion either.

Personally, when every camsite in the industry is streaming in HD and your site is behind with tiny 640px streams like MFC did for almost 2 years then... yeah.. I think it was time for an update... and with the kind of revenue a site like MFC has it is very difficult to defend that the problem is the platform. They had and still have the means to redo their site if they wanted, but they don’t, they still try to apply a bandaid here and an ice pack there. I am waiting for them to implement OBS, which at this point is an industry standard but time goes by and it’s still in the works.. I’ve been streaming in OBS for over a year now on CB. Meanwhile they are burning capital renting a Vegas hotel wing to host models for AVN and striking deals with Suicide Girls for burlesque tours. It’s mind blowing

 

[AmberCutie]

They had and still have the means to redo their site if they wanted, but they don’t

I agree I don't think they want to completely redo the entire site. Their business sense likely tells them that the people that have been using the site so long have trouble with huge change. Hell, they couldn't even remove the star ratings from profiles with out models AND members throwing a conniption fit. Even a site as small as ACF loses members when big changes happen. When we moved to the new forum software a ton of people disappeared. When I reorganized the model only section, a ton of models took off. Imagine that on the scale of a giant site like MFC, and a platform that people depend on to make their paychecks.

What I was trying to say is that they're trying to keep the fundamentals of their site in tact and running smoothly all the while still trying to tweak things enough, albeit more slowly than most of us would like, to catch up to current HD and non-flash technologies. I know this first-handedly after having spoken with them so much about these tweaks and being a guinea pig for them when they throw them in the water to see if they'll float, lol. I think the issue they may be running into right now is doing too many things at once, instead of focusing as much effort on one upgrade at a time. If I had it my way, the HD/non-flash video would be priority, but I think they keep listening to model feedback and trying to appease us with new features like the club video ability and share features that started popping up.

but I didn’t mean anything as a blow, low or otherwise.

It really only caught me off guard because you state it as fact, when it's just an assumption of what their intentions are, and was stated in a pretty scolding way. I know how you are though, and didn't even mean it like that, I just wanted to put it out there that it isn't necessarily the case for anyone reading your words and taking them as gospel.

 

[dark_mermaid]

If anyone asked me, what's the thing for success on cb, i'd say be an entertainer for a big crowd all at once in a chat room that can be huge at times if all goes well.
On MFC...I don't know...closely connect to (aka socialize with) users and hope there's a whale? There is just so much happening NOT in public chat (tips, messages etc.) on mfc, that it's still a black box for me and i'm still monitoring mfc, because it kinda bugs me really, that I do not understand it.

 

[Mila_]

I agree I don't think they want to completely redo the entire site. Their business sense likely tells them that the people that have been using the site so long have trouble with huge change. Hell, they couldn't even remove the star ratings from profiles with out models AND members throwing a conniption fit. Even a site as small as ACF loses members when big changes happen. When we moved to the new forum software a ton of people disappeared. When I reorganized the model only section, a ton of models took off. Imagine that on the scale of a giant site like MFC, and a platform that people depend on to make their paychecks.

What I was trying to say is that they're trying to keep the fundamentals of their site in tact and running smoothly all the while still trying to tweak things enough, albeit more slowly than most of us would like, to catch up to current HD and non-flash technologies. I know this first-handedly after having spoken with them so much about these tweaks and being a guinea pig for them when they throw them in the water to see if they'll float, lol. I think the issue they may be running into right now is doing too many things at once, instead of focusing as much effort on one upgrade at a time. If I had it my way, the HD/non-flash video would be priority, but I think they keep listening to model feedback and trying to appease us with new features like the club video ability and share features that started popping up.


It really only caught me off guard because you state it as fact, when it's just an assumption of what their intentions are, and was stated in a pretty scolding way. I know how you are though, and didn't even mean it like that, I just wanted to put it out there that it isn't necessarily the case for anyone reading your words and taking them as gospel.

I didn’t mean they should redo the entire site, just that they have the means to even go that far if they wanted, and reworking the site to include HD cams and others features doesn’t necessarily mean changing what the member sees on his end in terms of design, they can change the guts of the site without changing the external appearance too much. And that’s what all the other sites do. Chaturbate is an old site at this point too, it was already up and running with a bunch of traffic when I first started camming in early 2013, so they also have had to change their platform to adjust and they are doing it all the time, they update and upgrade their system all the time. Meanwhile while I was an MFC model and please correct me if I a wrong but they didn’t roll out a single new feature that I can think of in all of 2014/2015.. you have to admit there was some negligence on their part. They are trying to catch up now but it seems to me to be too little to late.. but they have been working hard at conventions all this time. I wish it was only my perception and not something many models feel about MFC

 

[AmberCutie]

Meanwhile while I was an MFC model and please correct me if I a wrong but they didn’t roll out a single new feature that I can think of in all of 2014/2015.. you have to admit there was some negligence on their part. They are trying to catch up now but it seems to me to be too little to late..

While I don't necessarily think it's too little too late, I do agree there should have been more of a jump start to get stuff shifted to HD/nonflash especially. I know some things were in the works then but obviously it's more of a rush to get it handled now that Flash is on its way out the door.

but they have been working hard at conventions all this time. I wish it was only my perception and not something many models feel about MFC

And as far as the convention stuff, keep in mind the person or people in charge of marketing aren't necessarily the programmers making the site changes. But yeah I know a lot of models think their time would be better spent with online advertising. I'm somewhere in the middle on that discussion.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

I agree I don't think they want to completely redo the entire site. Their business sense likely tells them that the people that have been using the site so long have trouble with huge change. Hell, they couldn't even remove the star ratings from profiles with out models AND members throwing a conniption fit. Even a site as small as ACF loses members when big changes happen. When we moved to the new forum software a ton of people disappeared. When I reorganized the model only section, a ton of models took off. Imagine that on the scale of a giant site like MFC, and a platform that people depend on to make their paychecks.

What I was trying to say is that they're trying to keep the fundamentals of their site in tact and running smoothly all the while still trying to tweak things enough, albeit more slowly than most of us would like, to catch up to current HD and non-flash technologies. I know this first-handedly after having spoken with them so much about these tweaks and being a guinea pig for them when they throw them in the water to see if they'll float, lol. I think the issue they may be running into right now is doing too many things at once, instead of focusing as much effort on one upgrade at a time. If I had it my way, the HD/non-flash video would be priority, but I think they keep listening to model feedback and trying to appease us with new features like the club video ability and share features that started popping up.

Yep, people are afraid of change. Look at MFC when they attempted the live thumbnails a few motnhs back. Yep, it killed the performance, etc. But, I heard more negative than good about how people didn't like it. Cool in concept. But, MFC's green and static thumbnails are kind of their trademark now.

MFC is no different than other companies when it comes to their IT. They are negligent in some areas, no doubt. In particular security, and other things of which I still have major issues with. But, I can tell you of some horror stories that'll make MFC look like saints in the IT realm. I'm not talking small sites either. I'm talking about companies that do tens of billions, if not trillions, of dollars of transactions a night such as insurance and financial institutions, Medical manufacturers, transportation companies, insurance, online vendors, retail giants, etc. Look at the security breaches for companies such as Target, Home Depot, Equifax, and many others. Most of that is because the companies can't move fast enough to address vulnerability findings. Whether it be due to not enough staff, moving at the speed of a tugboat, funding, technology, or whatever.

Can't speak to MFC personally. But, I think it's a little like you mentioned, Amber. They're improving the site, working on a few different things at a time. Coding to eliminate flash is no easy aspect. Especially when there's multiple operating systems, browsers, and portable devices out there. Add in that most people are really shitty about keeping their computers and devices up to date. I can only imagine the level of work that's going into it to improving the video and streaming side of things.

Add to it that they're attempting to appease their models as well. Site enhancements, creature comforts, etc. to make a model's life a little easier. MFCShare came about as a way to bring lost revenue back to MFC, so that it's now more of a "one stop shop" for models so they don't have to host videos on MV, CFS, or other places. More importantly, those models aren't having to manage passwords, etc for access to videos hosted on mediafire, dropbox, or wherever they house them so as to prevent passwords from being shared.

Like most companies, I'm sure there's many teams working on more than a few projects which are all interrelated one way or another. Many of which I'm sure are slow to to develop due to things such as change management (I'd hope they use it), changes in browser technology such as SHA-1 vulnerability being removed, etc. I believe they started CamYou not only to address many issues such as non-nude, camscore, etc. But, it's also their testbed due to low volume of users and least amount of impact while being validated in a smaller "live production" environment before being applied to MFC as a whole.

 

[ViviDoll]

I work on chaturbate for loooong time. I like that I can set up my chat for tippers only, otherwise my nerves would be shattered to a point that I would not do camming. I tried MFC and I noticed there are less trolls than on chaturbate. I think more rich men on MFC, but to be on the top is VERY HARD AND PART OF LUCK. Chaturbate works differently, and once you realize what is selling you can make good there. But if you can gain popularity on MFC I would say it's a better site because their top top models make more than top models on cb. I think on chaturbate maximum daily 20-30 girls earn up to 10-20.000 tokens or even more, the rest are not making that much. While if you calculate top 100 on MFC earns more thant that.