MFC Gripes

[trotskyleon]

:angry4:

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Private Messages (PM's)
Our website offers a private message system similar to AOL or Yahoo that all of our members and models use to chat instantly and privately.
You can see your list of online buddies (friends and models) and just click their name to send them a PM instantly.

So my main gripe is that nowhere does it mention that private messages is at the discretion of the model! It doesn't state this anywhere on the site. However it clearly says once you become premium you will have access to all the features! One of the main reasons i became a premium member was to be able to pm people (models in particular).

However a lot models are like "you need to be on my friends list to pm me and thats costs x tokens". I wasn't too happy about that! To me this is false advertising by mfc. Conveniently on their T&C they chucked in a non-liability clause for inaccesabilty of features. However pming is accessible just at the persons discretion.

MFC should state this on their site.

Another gripe, MFC have a whole list of rules which they dont follow! For e.g they dont allow any naked pics on profiles. I have seen many and in chat rooms the emotes are full of naked pics!

Public cum shows are not allowed, heck nudity (unless in a "tasteful manner") in public isn't allowed! But just about every top ( by camscore) model does it. Sexual relations with men- even off camera is not allowed - what the fuck does that mean?

In any case I am left wondering, why did I pay money to become a premium member? I have to pay more to pm (which may have been fine had I known before) and basics/guests get free shows in public chat?

Thinking of sending a mail to MFC to highlight the flase advertising. Thinking of also recouping my money spent on tokens particularly the initial fee to become premium member too.

Not happy at all!

 

[Airwolfe]

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

 

[MemberEd]

You can communicate a quick note to any model by using a tip note. Does not have to be a large tip. Or you can send a MFC mail if your not in a hurry.

edit Or what Airwolfe said :lol:

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Welcome back vlad.

 

[zylog19]

Some models get a lot of PMs, and answering them all can distract from the conversation in the main chat room. I can completely understand a model using some kind of filter (in this case the friend's list) to keep things more manageable.

 

[trotskyleon]

Some models get a lot of PMs, and answering them all can distract from the conversation in the main chat room. I can completely understand a model using some kind of filter (in this case the friend's list) to keep things more manageable.

thats all good

but MFC dont mention this anywhere! when you sign up to become premium.

 

[LilyEvans]

Actually, you DO get access to ALL features. You can send Private Messages, which is a feature. Nowhere does it say that PMing ALL models and members is the feature. You can PM anyone who allows PMs from you. If a model was able to turn off your ability to PM anyone-- THAT would be false advertising.

Your argument is stupid. It's like getting mad at your cell phone company because "YOUR COMMERCIAL SAID I COULD CALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY ANY TIME BUT MY MOM TURNED HER CELLPHONE OFF AND MY EX-GIRLFRIEND BLOCKED MY NUMBER AND I DON'T KNOW STEVEN'S NUMBER. YOU LIED TO ME BECAUSE I CANNOT CALL THEM!!!"

 

[morment]

Actually, you DO get access to ALL features. You can send Private Messages, which is a feature. Nowhere does it say that PMing ALL models and members is the feature. You can PM anyone who allows PMs from you. If a model was able to turn off your ability to PM anyone-- THAT would be false advertising.

Your argument is stupid. It's like getting mad at your cell phone company because "YOUR COMMERCIAL SAID I COULD CALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY ANY TIME BUT MY MOM TURNED HER CELLPHONE OFF AND MY EX-GIRLFRIEND BLOCKED MY NUMBER AND I DON'T KNOW STEVEN'S NUMBER. YOU LIED TO ME BECAUSE I CANNOT CALL THEM!!!"

I was trying to figure out a way to say this, but you managed it better than I would have.

 

[UncleThursday]

Even members can turn off PMs or set them to friends only, too, not just models. So it's not like a member is getting boned on the features he/she has access to .

Some models prefer to talk to members in PMs (I know one who almost never types in her room, just PM windows), most don't.

Deal with it, or move on.

Public cum shows are not allowed, heck nudity (unless in a "tasteful manner") in public isn't allowed! But just about every top ( by camscore) model does it. Sexual relations with men- even off camera is not allowed - what the fuck does that mean?

It means no men on models' cams, and no fucking/handjobs/blowjobs even if the dude is off cam and you can't see him fucking her or her giving a hand job/blow job. And there's been more than a few models who try to get away with having someone boning them while they're on cam but the dude can't be seen.

As to the no public shows no nudity rules, those haven't been enforced in forever. Not even sure why they're still listed, truthfully.

 

[trotskyleon]

Actually, you DO get access to ALL features. You can send Private Messages, which is a feature. Nowhere does it say that PMing ALL models and members is the feature. You can PM anyone who allows PMs from you. If a model was able to turn off your ability to PM anyone-- THAT would be false advertising.

Thats like advertising a mobile phone - with a camera but once you have bought it you only use it a certain number of times in a day! Unless its mentioned somewhere you can use your camera x times day.. its not hard to prove false advertising.

The way MFC portray is like this: Basics and guests cant pm ANYONE. They say if you want pm a model you need to become a premium member. Nowwhere is it MENTIONED that models can block your pms or that models can charge you for it etc. That is my gripe! So wouldn't a reasonable person assume you can pm anyone? In naked.com, they have the same feature. You can pm any model you like, if you buy into the feature.

Your argument is stupid. It's like getting mad at your cell phone company because "YOUR COMMERCIAL SAID I COULD CALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY ANY TIME BUT MY MOM TURNED HER CELLPHONE OFF AND MY EX-GIRLFRIEND BLOCKED MY NUMBER AND I DON'T KNOW STEVEN'S NUMBER. YOU LIED TO ME BECAUSE I CANNOT CALL THEM!!!"

? You can still call them if their phone is off. Anyway most cell phone companies are devious - and have all this covered in their fine print anyway. I guess you don't understand how things work :mrgreen:.

If someone sells you a cheeseburger with no cheese or if they are like you didnt ask for cheese - that is false advertising!

 

[AllisonWilder]

You can still PM a model if she has it set to friends only. Exactly the same as if you called someone that had their phone turned off. You won't get a response from either.

It's not false advertising.

 

[Nordling]

Vlad is getting way more attention than he deserves...which is zero.

Next, he'll log on and whine about his monitor screen being dirty and he can't see anything. lol

 

[IsabellaSnow]

There's a really easy answer to this. I have people who've tipped over a certain amount, bought my vids, taken me private on my friendslist, you know, because I want to speak to them.

I don't want to speak to someone who is freeloading on me, has no intention of tipping me ever. Why on earth would I want to speak to you? You do know that models on myfreecams are individual workers right? We're not getting paid by myfreecams, we get paid by members who tip us. If you've never tipped me and never are going to tip me then I don't want you near me. Just because you've given myfreecams money, or another model money doesn't mean you've given me money. You haven't.

If you want to pm a model then I very much hope you are planning on tipping her or taking her private. It is nasty and rude to go into a store and start harassing/taking up the time of the store owner who's trying to make sales with absolutely no intention of buying anything, just because you fancy a chat. It is the same with models. If a model does have her pm's open then I hope you'll buy tokens and tip her showing you're not just trying to take up her time (which will make her lose out on money).

Camming is a job. Spending time in pm becomes boring for the public room meaning you earn less. If you're spending a little bit of time sending messages to the people who are tipping then you're not losing money, because they are the people tipping you. Spending ages in pm with a freeloader would ruin your camscore, stop you earning, mean you're ignoring the people who are actually interested in spending on you and all sorts.

I don't know if you're aware of it, which you don't seem to be by your post, but the models behind the screen are actually human beings rather than robots/clever computer creations made by myfreecams for your enjoyment.

The relations with men thing - even off camera means that if you have your camera on you can't start fucking a man just off camera so they can't see you/him but can hear you. It doesn't mean we have all taken a vow of celibacy... fortunately

Seeing as you've bought 200 tokens, why don't you find a few models you really like, see how much it costs to be on their friends lists, check out their videos for sale, in my room it's 150 tokens to get onto my friendslist although if someone only tips that once and never tips again then I would remove them if they bombarded me with pm's. If someone bought a 200 token video then they would get onto my list and get a video. If you like them and enjoy their company, then maybe tip again.

By your attitude it sounds like you're never going to do this, but, it's worth a try.

 

[LilyEvans]

If someone sells you a cheeseburger with no cheese or if they are like you didnt ask for cheese - that is false advertising!

No, what you're saying is that you ordered a cheeseburger and got mad that they did not tell you that you could not choose literally any cheese you wanted on your burger.

 

[Anonymous]

You can communicate a quick note to any model by using a tip note. Does not have to be a large tip. Or you can send a MFC mail if your not in a hurry.

I think I'm gonna start turning off all PMs when I'm about to do my baby oil/butt clapping thing. At that specific moment, there is really no need for a person to be PMing me "You turn me on so much"...when he can just say that in public chat or via tip note.

 

[LilyMarie]

:lol:
Man, I'm really sorry you can't bother models with your dirty talk in PM even though you paid the whole whopping $20 to become a premium member.

I'm sure a model will temporarily put you on her PM list if you want to discuss a private with her, or if you have to tell her something actually important that can't wait (e.g. 'Hey, there's a piece of paper with your phone number lying right next to you on your desk and everyone can see what it says!'). Because those are pretty much the only two reasons a member has to PM a model while she's on cam.
Everything else can be said in public chat or in a tip note or an MFC mail.

Why don't you let us know why it's so important to you to be able to PM models, but you can't pay whatever it takes to get on her friendslist/PM-list? Whenever I have my PMs open for everyone, pretty much all I get from non-friends is dirty talk and skype requests from people who have no money. I don't need any of that. So my PMs are open for friends.

If you became a premium member only to be able to PM every model, with no intention of ever buying more tokens and spending them on those models, MFC is not for you.

 

[trotskyleon]

There's a really easy answer to this. I have people who've tipped over a certain amount, bought my vids, taken me private on my friendslist, you know, because I want to speak to them.

First, my issue isn't with who you want pm with or not. Its simply not knowing beforehand that models expect you to tip to pm then (whether they respond to your pm is irrelevent). But when I tried pming a model, it simply this model isnt accepting private messages. I asked the model what was going and she said she set pm to friend only..then she said it cost x tokens to be a friend. So I was like uhh, wtf why did I become a premium member for? When I am effectively being treated like a basic/guest. I was told I could pm...but i cant because you are not accepting it! Fair enough if you don't want to read it or respond it..but to not be able to at all?

I don't want to speak to someone who is freeloading on me, has no intention of tipping me ever. Why on earth would I want to speak to you? You do know that models on myfreecams are individual workers right? We're not getting paid by myfreecams, we get paid by members who tip us. If you've never tipped me and never are going to tip me then I don't want you near me. Just because you've given myfreecams money, or another model money doesn't mean you've given me money. You haven't.

Again read above.

If you want to pm a model then I very much hope you are planning on tipping her or taking her private. It is nasty and rude to go into a store and start harassing/taking up the time of the store owner who's trying to make sales with absolutely no intention of buying anything, just because you fancy a chat. It is the same with models. If a model does have her pm's open then I hope you'll buy tokens and tip her showing you're not just trying to take up her time (which will make her lose out on money).

Totally irrelevent to this discussion.

Camming is a job. Spending time in pm becomes boring for the public room meaning you earn less. If you're spending a little bit of time sending messages to the people who are tipping then you're not losing money, because they are the people tipping you. Spending ages in pm with a freeloader would ruin your camscore, stop you earning, mean you're ignoring the people who are actually interested in spending on you and all sorts.

Totally irrelevant. You think new members know all this stuff when they sign up. Do you think we get a little document outlining your problems? Whatever you say applies to everyone. Time is money. I don't have the time to wait around for a model to do public show or for her to go through public chat and chatting with other premiums, basics and guests. We all got stuff to do, and particularly for us because we are giving up our time and money too.

I don't know if you're aware of it, which you don't seem to be by your post, but the models behind the screen are actually human beings rather than robots/clever computer creations made by myfreecams for your enjoyment.

WOW, you are judgemental! SO what are we then cash cows? That have no lives, no feelings etc. That are big time losers that can't spend our money elsewhere? For fucks sake, where did I say a model was a robot? MY problem is with MFC and not models! What the fuck do you know about me anyway, to be so judgemental? What I dont have feelings? geez!

Seeing as you've bought 200 tokens, why don't you find a few models you really like, see how much it costs to be on their friends lists, check out their videos for sale, in my room it's 150 tokens to get onto my friendslist although if someone only tips that once and never tips again then I would remove them if they bombarded me with pm's. If someone bought a 200 token video then they would get onto my list and get a video. If you like them and enjoy their company, then maybe tip again.

By your attitude it sounds like you're never going to do this, but, it's worth a try.

Just wow! My topic/thread was about MFC and its rules. Nothing about models! I didnt say a thing about any model. I didnt say models shouldnt charge for pms or friend. I didnt say they charged too much. I simply stated that MFC should state that the pm functionality is dependent on models. The main reason is I use another live cam site, where if u become "premium" member you can pm models and in that site it is what it is. I am able to pm without having to tip more or on any other condition.

 

[trotskyleon]

:lol:
Man, I'm really sorry you can't bother models with your dirty talk in PM even though you paid the whole whopping $20 to become a premium member.

Wow..just wow. If $20 means nothing to you just wow!

Why don't you let us know why it's so important to you to be able to PM models, but you can't pay whatever it takes to get on her friendslist/PM-list? Whenever I have my PMs open for everyone, pretty much all I get from non-friends is dirty talk and skype requests from people who have no money. I don't need any of that. So my PMs are open for friends.

I brought this up because a model I was chatting to on MFC brought it up. She was saying that nearly everyone on MFC break the rules etc and its unfair because she does the right thing etc. I looked into it a bit more and realised that MFC advertising that premium members are able to do everything (pretty much).

Then I releasied that we cant pm some models..so I was ehh what?

If you became a premium member only to be able to PM every model, with no intention of ever buying more tokens and spending them on those models, MFC is not for you.

I became premium member because I want to enjoy ALL the features of MFC. I will spend tokens as I see fit thanks. Again you don't know about me. Lets not make this personal please.

 

[MrRodry]

WOW, you are judgemental! SO what are we then cash cows? That have no lives, no feelings etc. That are big time losers that can't spend our money elsewhere? For fucks sake, where did I say a model was a robot? MY problem is with MFC and not models! What the fuck do you know about me anyway, to be so judgemental? What I dont have feelings? geez!

Looks like you're going to MFC to find a girlfriend.

 

[trotskyleon]

WOW, you are judgemental! SO what are we then cash cows? That have no lives, no feelings etc. That are big time losers that can't spend our money elsewhere? For fucks sake, where did I say a model was a robot? MY problem is with MFC and not models! What the fuck do you know about me anyway, to be so judgemental? What I dont have feelings? geez!

Looks like you're going to MFC to find a girlfriend.

We can start another topic about why I signed up to MFC if u want...

 

[trotskyleon]

anyway..

I will be judgemental like the rest..

This forum is for models, sucking up to them and helping them to milk money from others.

I am in the wrong place :whistle: At least I get to know how some of you really are.

 

[RoseCavilla]

$20 is a lot, yes. But for a lifetime of privileges it's very little. Your saying that makes you sound like the forever-20-point-premium that every model usually hates having in her room.

This is our job. If you tip a girl all of those 200 tokens, that's five or six bucks in her pocket after taxes. The fact that you think that should force all models (even ones you never tip) to give you free attention is just baffling.

MFC has a guest/basic feature. Five minutes of browsing through models would have told you all you needed to know about the friendslist to pm thing. If $20 is so much money to you, you should have done more research on your investment.

 

[trotskyleon]

What you say might be true Rose..but that doesnt justify MFC misleading members does it?

Frankly it can be your job, hobby passion etc, that is totally irrelevent to me. Cause on that same page of advertistment they have one for models saying they can earn heaps and heaps of money. So naturally I am assuming you are paying plenty in taxes! :lol:

I will say this for the last time:

I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH MODELS CHARGING FOR PM ACCESS. BUT BLOODY HELL THIS SHOULD BE MADE CLEARER ON THE LIST OF FEATURES!

HOpefully I won't have to repeat myself. I dont like being misled. Simple as that. I am sure you dont either. Members will be a lot nice to you models by fixing up small things like this.

 

[Anonymous]

Its simply not knowing beforehand that models expect you to tip to pm then (whether they respond to your pm is irrelevent).

There are some MFC models who actually do leave their PMs only (bless their hearts) because they're trusting guys to not abuse the PM feature. Also, there are some models who don't charge a token amount for their friends list, and instead they will just add you to the list when they feel that it's been earned (like if you chat in her room, tip her often, and treat her with respect).

So I was like uhh, wtf why did I become a premium member for?

I would hope you became a premium because you realized that being able to talk in a room is pretty cool, and you realized that tipping the hardworking models you perv on is what you should do if you're able to.

When I am effectively being treated like a basic/guest.

You're not being treated like a guest/basic. Guests and basics can't talk. You're a premium, and one of the perks of being a premium is being able to chat in the model's room. But for some reason, you're not satisfied with that and insist on PMing her instead.

This part isn't directed at you, trot, but I will never understand why some guys go MIA from my room for months at a time, and then they return to my room (realizing they're off my friends list) all pissed off that they can't PM me. Why is it that when you see I'm online working, the first thing going through your mind is "Ooh, Fox is online! Let me PM her to ask her 'hey, how u been?'" Dude...you're in my chatroom. I seeeee youuuuu! Can't you say hi to me right there instead of PMing me to say it? This need for one-on-one attention that's not being paid for really amazes me. And I swear, it's always the guys who say "I've missed you, sexy" who don't tip...lol.

I was told I could pm...but i cant because you are not accepting it! Fair enough if you don't want to read it or respond it..but to not be able to at all?

It sounds like you're taking your anger out on the model when it's really MFC that you're angry with. If you think MFC is using "false advertisement," take it up with them. Don't flip out on the model. Her job is difficult enough as it is without being treated like she's a scammer.

You think new members know all this stuff when they sign up.

We're there to chat with you, share some smiles and laughs, and entertain/tease until you explode all over your computer screen. It is not our jobs to hold your hand and tell you how the site works. I find that I have to do that a lot on Streamate because does a shitty job of explaining how things work to members. They don't have a Wiki page like MFC does.

I don't have the time to wait around for a model to do public show or for her to go through public chat and chatting with other premiums, basics and guests.

Like someone else suggested, you could communicate with her via tip note if what you need to say is that urgent. I really wish people would use tip notes more often...especially if I'm in the middle of doing something sexy.

We all got stuff to do, and particularly for us because we are giving up our time and money too.

I know what you mean. We give up a lot of our time too (and sleep) when we're on cam longer than usual trying to make our goals, and even when we're off cam working on custom videos and photos.

 

[RoseCavilla]

Frankly you've been a little rude here. That's a really bad strategy if you're trying to get people to agree with you.

And ermehgod! They call it myFREEcams, but in some rooms I have to pay to be premium to talk! Or PM! Or do anything fun. That's false advertising and I'm going to write them an angry letter!

 

[LilyMarie]

Again, WHY do you think you have to be able to PM every model?
Dirty talk will be ignored by pretty much every model unless you tip her a bit along the way. Trust me on this. Even if models didn't have the option to only let friends PM them, annoying those girls wouldn't do you any good. It's useless.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

What you say might be true Rose..but that doesnt justify MFC misleading members does it?

Frankly it can be your job, hobby passion etc, that is totally irrelevent to me. Cause on that same page of advertistment they have one for models saying they can earn heaps and heaps of money. So naturally I am assuming you are paying plenty in taxes! :lol:

I will say this for the last time:

I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH MODELS CHARGING FOR PM ACCESS. BUT BLOODY HELL THIS SHOULD BE MADE CLEARER ON THE LIST OF FEATURES!

HOpefully I won't have to repeat myself. I dont like being misled. Simple as that. I am sure you dont either. Members will be a lot nice to you models by fixing up small things like this.

Oh for the love of Pete let's just settle this annoyance once and for all. You're wrong, completely. MFC explicitly stated they don't guarantee these features. You didn't read it is all. Since you want to be all official sounding on your high horse let's go with the official 'Terms and Conditions' YOU agreed to when you first created your account. Not your premium even, before that, when you first signed up and got your user name. The ones you clicked you have read and acknowledged. In that there's a paragraph:

Non-guarantee of features and benefits

MFC does not guarantee that you will be able to access or use any or all parts of this website, and you agree that MFC shall have no liability to you whatsoever for any such inaccessibility.
Specifically, the availability of recorded private shows and chat conversations ("Archives") are not guaranteed in any way. Archives, along with any other feature or benefit of this website, may become permanently inaccessible for any reason and you agree that MFC shall have no liability to you whatsoever for any such inaccessibility, and you may not seek a refund or any other transaction reversal due to such inaccessibility.

Rather clear in your official agreement with mfc they guaranteed you NOTHING. So just quit your whiny little bitching already would you? It gets fucking annoying. Every single comment on MFC pages that you are referring to is what is called 'puffery' and has no legally binding status whatsoever. Look it up.

Now would someone please program in a freaking 'Ignore Entire Thread' button for this site before I lose my sanity? :confused2:

Now, this is where you ignore everything and start complaining using the exact same angle you've already been proven wrong about or you start a whole new thread griping about some other angle, thus proving to everyone you are vlad.

ps. Vlad.mazare, Gwexler, TrotskyLeon... What are these, russian/romanian rulers/political figures? I'm starting to get a feel for your name choices. Who's next? Nicolae.Ceausescu?

 

[RoseCavilla]

Not so sure if this is vlad. I may be wrong but I think his grammar is much better and he hasn't A) expressed an ill-founded dislike for MilaMilan or B) tried to argue that stalking models and posting their personal information online for the purpose of deceiving them is okay. Did MFC ban him?

It is a very fun theory though. :lol:

 

[Gen]

Fair enough if you don't want to read it or respond it..but to not be able to at all?

I disagree -- I'd much rather someone set themselves as unavailable than ignore me. As a model, I get guys complaining via PM if I'm too slow (by their standards) to reply, even if the guy can see that I'm busy in the chatroom and his PM says "hi bb hru" or something non-urgent. People get super grumpy if they feel you're ignoring their PMs; it's much easier for both models & members if PMs are only on when girls can reply to them.

 

[Jessi]

I dont charge for my PM list!

But I only add people I personally like. And you seem pretty mean. :snooty: Models are people, and we can refuse interaction from you if we want to, just like real life.

If you feel that this is false advertising, just email the admin. Whining to us solves nothing.