Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scenario?

[littlebitlost]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Wow, caused a bit of a stir here ha? :whistle:

Thanks for all the replies, even the ah, slightly more aggressive ones.

Fay Galore, mynameisbob84, I_Am_Iris & Myriads especially, thank you for your ability to reply without taking my post as a personal attack...
I think between you all you have hit the nail on the head.
I went looking for fun, asked too many personal questions for my own good & started seeing this girl as an actual friend, not an interactive porno flick.
Sure puts a different perspective on things, as does her own attitude towards herself & what she does!

There's now too many posts for me to reply to but I want to clear a few things up...

First off anyone I've offended with my post, my humble apologies.
Trust me, I'm not one to judge (I'm no saint) so if that's how my post came across it was purely accidental.
I actually personally know some sex industry workers (no camgirls obviously) & believe if they're happy doing what they're doing then that's great!

The only reason I asked this girl if she was happy with her job is that I sensed she wasn't.
Body language, facial expressions, things she let slip after requests (including some of mine) sort of gave it away.
It wasn't just the random question of the day!
If I knew she was happy to perform (as I know some girls are) I would probably still be requesting.
But I won't ask a girl to do something that she seemingly hates herself for, no matter how much money I'm giving her for her time...

I'm no white knight nor do I claim to be/want to be. (I didn't actually know what that was until I read some threads here before joining...)
I like this girl, she seems upset & I'd like her to be happy. Everyone should be happy, with themselves at least (a bit idealistic I know)
If she was happy doing cams it would be different.
I don't believe every girl on cam (who is happy with her choices) needs to be saved from the evil webcam industry.
I merely wondered if she thought that's what I was going for & was just going along with it for my sake because she thought that was what I want.
That was sort of the original question here too.

Lastly I don't generally have a problem with instantly falling for girls, but then I'm normally seeing them in person, seeing their good & bad sides.
Here I see only what she chooses to show me (basically good sides only) which I think makes a big difference.

I've probably missed some shit that people got cut over but I just finished work so...

Anyway, once again, thanks...

 

[Kunra9]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

So most replies have generally covered the bulk of your original post, but I have a question for you.

You asked her if she was happy.

If she was to flat out say "No, I hate this job, I'm not happy. I hate it."

Then what? Why do you need to know that? What's your plan? What will you do with that information?

 

[Fay_Galore]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

edit; so sorry, was going to post about wondering if the OP was still reading this but I missed his post above Sorry!!

But I still want to add, wether you take our advices or not, I applaud you for coming here and being criticised and have a drive to do 'the right thing' (whatever that might be) I wish more members would be open to change for the better and put effort into that.

 

[littlebitlost]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

So most replies have generally covered the bulk of your original post, but I have a question for you.

You asked her if she was happy.

If she was to flat out say "No, I hate this job, I'm not happy. I hate it."

Then what? Why do you need to know that? What's your plan? What will you do with that information?

I guess if I hadn't have noticed her getting unhappy after requests & hadn't asked her I would still be requesting...

When we started talking a lot I suppose I stopped looking at her like a sex toy (yes I know how bad that sounds :? ) & then knowing that she's not really happy to be doing what she is kind of kills it for me.

BTW she said almost exactly that as it is.

Anything you're getting at?

 

[littlebitlost]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

edit; so sorry, was going to post about wondering if the OP was still reading this but I missed his post above Sorry!!

But I still want to add, wether you take our advices or not, I applaud you for coming here and being criticised and have a drive to do 'the right thing' (whatever that might be) I wish more members would be open to change for the better and put effort into that.

Fay, thanks for your reply yesterday (last night?)

Time delay means I'm a little slow to reply...

Anyway, what you said made a lot of sense.
& you were kinda worried about offending?
Don't be...
I'm on the Internet basically asking about "relationship advice" with a camgirl so I was expecting some shit!
Plus I'm Australian. Best mates here talk to each other like sworn enemies so trust me, no offense taken.

Thank you, obviously a bit silly to some but so be it...

 

[Leon_Omega]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

So most replies have generally covered the bulk of your original post, but I have a question for you.

You asked her if she was happy.

If she was to flat out say "No, I hate this job, I'm not happy. I hate it."

Then what? Why do you need to know that? What's your plan? What will you do with that information?

I guess if I hadn't have noticed her getting unhappy after requests & hadn't asked her I would still be requesting...

When we started talking a lot I suppose I stopped looking at her like a sex toy (yes I know how bad that sounds :? ) & then knowing that she's not really happy to be doing what she is kind of kills it for me.

BTW she said almost exactly that as it is.

Anything you're getting at?

What I believe he was getting at, was that it is quite unclear what your own motives were in all this. You met a studio girl that you really like, she seems unhappy, you press the issue and effectively push her into admitting that she hates what she is essenially forced to do for a living for whichever reasons. What was your game plan here? What was the next step? You suspected that she was unhappy, but yet you came here asking if her reaction was perhaps faked and part of a "Damsel in Distress/White Knight" scenario.

Because it seems to me from your posts that you have no intention of being said white knight or being someone who supports her to a point where she may find employment that she does like. And while I certainly don't blame you for that, you have to have realized at some point that asking her whether or not she is happy doing what she does when she's clearly showing that she isn't, would probably lead to her revelation.

So I guess the question would be, what were you expecting to happen? And why have you seemingly not prepared for the most logical answer to the question you were planning on asking her?

 

[xDollPartsx]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Agreeing with most that been said. and seeing both sides I really only had replies to those asking what he expected by asking, isn't it entirely possible or probable that he is life any other normal human and was curious? I mean, in getting to know her even slightly one gets curious about them, and asks questions. Especially if they notice things about a person that they want to be sure are actually noticed and not just imagined or projected by themselves. Or maybe he wanted to be sure she knew what kind of vibe she was putting off so in case she was not meaning to and actually liked it that she could correct these things in order to be more successful? I have had plenty of people ask if I like camming, I never took offense to it as it was in the usual "getting to know you" stage of the conversation we were having. Especially being new to can sites, I'm sure upon many other new discoveries and curiosities about it, one must wonder at first if these girls are enjoying themselves. That's just my overall view, trying to remain objective anyway.

 

[ItsBillyBitch]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Although this might be slightly off-topic, I would like to clear up some misconceptions about cam studios in Eastern Europe, particularly in Romania.

While some posters seem to picture a dark dingy warehouse and see studio models as sex slaves, nothing could be farther from the truth. Here’s the website for a studio in southeast Romania: http://www.nightprowl.ro/

As you can see it is a luxurious facility with many amenities. A very professional operation that prudently invests profits back into the business and expand its operations. This is the typical Romania studio and if you google “video chat Romania”, you will find dozens of similar studios.

Models are NOT forced to do anything they are not comfortable doing. Most of the models at this particular studio only perform soft-core shows (they work at private based sites) and some are non-nude.

Interpreters are often used for new models who are not proficient in English, however, every model is expected to quickly improve their English skills so that they no longer require the assistance of an interpreter. And almost always the interpreter is a fellow model or, at the very least, a female.

Pay as a percentage of total earnings is based on a tiered system, as the model reaches certain levels, she receives a greater percentage. Top models may receive as much as 80% of their total earnings.

Now, back to the OP’s question. Yes, this model is playing to your fantasies and desires, that’s her job. If you want to be her “knight in shining armor”, so be it, but you will have to pay for it or she will eventually stop giving you attention.

It would appear that you are looking for a girlfriend experience and you can certainly find that on a cam site if you are prepared for the cost, financially and emotionally. At least when you divorce your cam girl, she can’t continue to suck you dry for the next five years (bitter, party of one).

PS Another benefit to being a studio model are the hard working affiliates who drive traffic to your room. High quality traffic.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Although this might be slightly off-topic, I would like to clear up some misconceptions about cam studios in Eastern Europe, particularly in Romania.

While some posters seem to picture a dark dingy warehouse and see studio models as sex slaves, nothing could be farther from the truth. Here’s the website for a studio in southeast Romania: http://www.nightprowl.ro/

As you can see it is a luxurious facility with many amenities. A very professional operation that prudently invests profits back into the business and expand its operations. This is the typical Romania studio and if you google “video chat Romania”, you will find dozens of similar studios.

Models are NOT forced to do anything they are not comfortable doing. Most of the models at this particular studio only perform soft-core shows (they work at private based sites) and some are non-nude.

Interpreters are often used for new models who are not proficient in English, however, every model is expected to quickly improve their English skills so that they no longer require the assistance of an interpreter. And almost always the interpreter is a fellow model or, at the very least, a female.

Pay as a percentage of total earnings is based on a tiered system, as the model reaches certain levels, she receives a greater percentage. Top models may receive as much as 80% of their total earnings.

Now, back to the OP’s question. Yes, this model is playing to your fantasies and desires, that’s her job. If you want to be her “knight in shining armor”, so be it, but you will have to pay for it or she will eventually stop giving you attention.

It would appear that you are looking for a girlfriend experience and you can certainly find that on a cam site if you are prepared for the cost, financially and emotionally. At least when you divorce your cam girl, she can’t continue to suck you dry for the next five years (bitter, party of one).

PS Another benefit to being a studio model are the hard working affiliates who drive traffic to your room. High quality traffic.

I just wanted to add when I said my comment about studios, I was by no means meaning studios are bad. Though I have never worked at one I know they normally provide things a models needs such as equipment a place to work sometimes food etc. When I said that I was only going from the fact that most do take a cut sometimes large (though yes, from what I understand, the right studio can make it worth it).

Sorry just wanted to clarify so no one thought I was trash talking studios or their models.

 

[JimsX]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Although this might be slightly off-topic, I would like to clear up some misconceptions about cam studios in Eastern Europe, particularly in Romania.

While some posters seem to picture a dark dingy warehouse and see studio models as sex slaves, nothing could be farther from the truth. Here’s the website for a studio in southeast Romania: http://www.nightprowl.ro/

As you can see it is a luxurious facility with many amenities. A very professional operation that prudently invests profits back into the business and expand its operations. This is the typical Romania studio and if you google “video chat Romania”, you will find dozens of similar studios.

Models are NOT forced to do anything they are not comfortable doing. Most of the models at this particular studio only perform soft-core shows (they work at private based sites) and some are non-nude.

Interpreters are often used for new models who are not proficient in English, however, every model is expected to quickly improve their English skills so that they no longer require the assistance of an interpreter. And almost always the interpreter is a fellow model or, at the very least, a female.

Pay as a percentage of total earnings is based on a tiered system, as the model reaches certain levels, she receives a greater percentage. Top models may receive as much as 80% of their total earnings.

Now, back to the OP’s question. Yes, this model is playing to your fantasies and desires, that’s her job. If you want to be her “knight in shining armor”, so be it, but you will have to pay for it or she will eventually stop giving you attention.

It would appear that you are looking for a girlfriend experience and you can certainly find that on a cam site if you are prepared for the cost, financially and emotionally. At least when you divorce your cam girl, she can’t continue to suck you dry for the next five years (bitter, party of one).

PS Another benefit to being a studio model are the hard working affiliates who drive traffic to your room. High quality traffic.

I just wanted to add when I said my comment about studios, I was by no means meaning studios are bad. Though I have never worked at one I know they normally provide things a models needs such as equipment a place to work sometimes food etc. When I said that I was only going from the fact that most do take a cut sometimes large (though yes, from what I understand, the right studio can make it worth it).

Sorry just wanted to clarify so no one thought I was trash talking studios or their models.

I will badmouth studios. I have not seen all instances and perhaps there really are some that are not disgusting leeches that take advantage of women. Sadly the ones I have seen are terrible.

There is a studio in Kazakhstan on MFC in which the 5 models look vacantly off camera to get their instructions on what to do. They dance robotically and pretend to be lesbians (yes, many models do this, but if you saw this studio you would understand that this case is bad). I watched for a few minutes 1 day while 3 models were pretending to have fun and the pimp/camerawoman gave instructions. After a tip came in, the 3 cheered suddenly, jerking their coworker awake as she was drifting off to sleep against a wall. The poor girl was exhausted, yet she had to keep on going.

There is a studio in the United States run by a slimy prick who employs Asian students who are not permitted to work in the country. This shit used 1 of his former models as his chauffeur and continually asked her to bring girls to him, for work and his own pleasure. Fortunately she was able to get able to find another job and get away. But his studio is still up and running on MFC.

I know of 1 model in the Philippines whose studio boss ripped up and flushed her passport down the toilet. Another had all her personal communications monitored, and when she was offered cash to help her family, her bosses learned of it and demanded 50%. Keep in mind this offer was made to her personally, off MFC. Again, fortunately these ladies were able to save up to get their own laptops and become independent models.

I have also seen 1 who worked in what looks suspiciously like a shipping container; wonderful working environment. :roll:

Some studio bosses do not provide a place for their models to work (though, from the above examples, this may be a good thing). They do provide the computers and cameras, but how long do these ladies have to work to pay off the equipment when they receive 25% of what they are tipped?

Then there are the studios in South America where the male bosses are in the same room and sometimes even shown on camera. How can a model work freely when her boss is right there?

This got longer than I planned. My point is that from all I have seen, studio owners are pond scum who see easy prey in women who desperately need jobs, and they are able to "imprison" these women for the price of a laptop and webcam. Absolute filth.

PS: Before anyone says I could have been lied to by the models to get me to pity tip, I suppose that could have happened (even when I did not tip on those occasions). But when multiple women say the same thing I tend to believe it.

 

[ItsBillyBitch]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Although this might be slightly off-topic, I would like to clear up some misconceptions about cam studios in Eastern Europe, particularly in Romania.

While some posters seem to picture a dark dingy warehouse and see studio models as sex slaves, nothing could be farther from the truth. Here’s the website for a studio in southeast Romania: http://www.nightprowl.ro/

As you can see it is a luxurious facility with many amenities. A very professional operation that prudently invests profits back into the business and expand its operations. This is the typical Romania studio and if you google “video chat Romania”, you will find dozens of similar studios.

Models are NOT forced to do anything they are not comfortable doing. Most of the models at this particular studio only perform soft-core shows (they work at private based sites) and some are non-nude.

Interpreters are often used for new models who are not proficient in English, however, every model is expected to quickly improve their English skills so that they no longer require the assistance of an interpreter. And almost always the interpreter is a fellow model or, at the very least, a female.

Pay as a percentage of total earnings is based on a tiered system, as the model reaches certain levels, she receives a greater percentage. Top models may receive as much as 80% of their total earnings.

Now, back to the OP’s question. Yes, this model is playing to your fantasies and desires, that’s her job. If you want to be her “knight in shining armor”, so be it, but you will have to pay for it or she will eventually stop giving you attention.

It would appear that you are looking for a girlfriend experience and you can certainly find that on a cam site if you are prepared for the cost, financially and emotionally. At least when you divorce your cam girl, she can’t continue to suck you dry for the next five years (bitter, party of one).

PS Another benefit to being a studio model are the hard working affiliates who drive traffic to your room. High quality traffic.

I just wanted to add when I said my comment about studios, I was by no means meaning studios are bad. Though I have never worked at one I know they normally provide things a models needs such as equipment a place to work sometimes food etc. When I said that I was only going from the fact that most do take a cut sometimes large (though yes, from what I understand, the right studio can make it worth it).

Sorry just wanted to clarify so no one thought I was trash talking studios or their models.

I will badmouth studios. I have not seen all instances and perhaps there really are some that are not disgusting leeches that take advantage of women. Sadly the ones I have seen are terrible.

There is a studio in Kazakhstan on MFC in which the 5 models look vacantly off camera to get their instructions on what to do. They dance robotically and pretend to be lesbians (yes, many models do this, but if you saw this studio you would understand that this case is bad). I watched for a few minutes 1 day while 3 models were pretending to have fun and the pimp/camerawoman gave instructions. After a tip came in, the 3 cheered suddenly, jerking their coworker awake as she was drifting off to sleep against a wall. The poor girl was exhausted, yet she had to keep on going.

There is a studio in the United States run by a slimy prick who employs Asian students who are not permitted to work in the country. This shit used 1 of his former models as his chauffeur and continually asked her to bring girls to him, for work and his own pleasure. Fortunately she was able to get able to find another job and get away. But his studio is still up and running on MFC.

I know of 1 model in the Philippines whose studio boss ripped up and flushed her passport down the toilet. Another had all her personal communications monitored, and when she was offered cash to help her family, her bosses learned of it and demanded 50%. Keep in mind this offer was made to her personally, off MFC. Again, fortunately these ladies were able to save up to get their own laptops and become independent models.

I have also seen 1 who worked in what looks suspiciously like a shipping container; wonderful working environment. :roll:

Some studio bosses do not provide a place for their models to work (though, from the above examples, this may be a good thing). They do provide the computers and cameras, but how long do these ladies have to work to pay off the equipment when they receive 25% of what they are tipped?

Then there are the studios in South America where the male bosses are in the same room and sometimes even shown on camera. How can a model work freely when her boss is right there?

This got longer than I planned. My point is that from all I have seen, studio owners are pond scum who see easy prey in women who desperately need jobs, and they are able to "imprison" these women for the price of a laptop and webcam. Absolute filth.

PS: Before anyone says I could have been lied to by the models to get me to pity tip, I suppose that could have happened (even when I did not tip on those occasions). But when multiple women say the same thing I tend to believe it.

At the expense of a total thread hijack, may I state this.

You won't find those kinds of studios on LiveJasmin, if it bothers you so much, perhaps you should reconsidered spending money on MFC because, indirectly, you are supporting that exploitation.

I do my research and only promote responsible sites.

 

[JickyJuly]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Livejasmin? Livejasmin? Is that what he said? :lol: Surely you didn't type that out with a straight face, man?

 

[JoleneBrody]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

:roll:

 

[ItsBillyBitch]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Ok, Captain, we are going to Cuba. I want titties and a bottle of Hennessy when we land. All passengers are freed but the the flight attendants must stay on board.

Kind of struck a nerve, huh?

 

[JimsX]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Although this might be slightly off-topic, I would like to clear up some misconceptions about cam studios in Eastern Europe, particularly in Romania.

While some posters seem to picture a dark dingy warehouse and see studio models as sex slaves, nothing could be farther from the truth. Here’s the website for a studio in southeast Romania: http://www.nightprowl.ro/

As you can see it is a luxurious facility with many amenities. A very professional operation that prudently invests profits back into the business and expand its operations. This is the typical Romania studio and if you google “video chat Romania”, you will find dozens of similar studios.

Models are NOT forced to do anything they are not comfortable doing. Most of the models at this particular studio only perform soft-core shows (they work at private based sites) and some are non-nude.

Interpreters are often used for new models who are not proficient in English, however, every model is expected to quickly improve their English skills so that they no longer require the assistance of an interpreter. And almost always the interpreter is a fellow model or, at the very least, a female.

Pay as a percentage of total earnings is based on a tiered system, as the model reaches certain levels, she receives a greater percentage. Top models may receive as much as 80% of their total earnings.

Now, back to the OP’s question. Yes, this model is playing to your fantasies and desires, that’s her job. If you want to be her “knight in shining armor”, so be it, but you will have to pay for it or she will eventually stop giving you attention.

It would appear that you are looking for a girlfriend experience and you can certainly find that on a cam site if you are prepared for the cost, financially and emotionally. At least when you divorce your cam girl, she can’t continue to suck you dry for the next five years (bitter, party of one).

PS Another benefit to being a studio model are the hard working affiliates who drive traffic to your room. High quality traffic.

I just wanted to add when I said my comment about studios, I was by no means meaning studios are bad. Though I have never worked at one I know they normally provide things a models needs such as equipment a place to work sometimes food etc. When I said that I was only going from the fact that most do take a cut sometimes large (though yes, from what I understand, the right studio can make it worth it).

Sorry just wanted to clarify so no one thought I was trash talking studios or their models.

I will badmouth studios. I have not seen all instances and perhaps there really are some that are not disgusting leeches that take advantage of women. Sadly the ones I have seen are terrible.

There is a studio in Kazakhstan on MFC in which the 5 models look vacantly off camera to get their instructions on what to do. They dance robotically and pretend to be lesbians (yes, many models do this, but if you saw this studio you would understand that this case is bad). I watched for a few minutes 1 day while 3 models were pretending to have fun and the pimp/camerawoman gave instructions. After a tip came in, the 3 cheered suddenly, jerking their coworker awake as she was drifting off to sleep against a wall. The poor girl was exhausted, yet she had to keep on going.

There is a studio in the United States run by a slimy prick who employs Asian students who are not permitted to work in the country. This shit used 1 of his former models as his chauffeur and continually asked her to bring girls to him, for work and his own pleasure. Fortunately she was able to get able to find another job and get away. But his studio is still up and running on MFC.

I know of 1 model in the Philippines whose studio boss ripped up and flushed her passport down the toilet. Another had all her personal communications monitored, and when she was offered cash to help her family, her bosses learned of it and demanded 50%. Keep in mind this offer was made to her personally, off MFC. Again, fortunately these ladies were able to save up to get their own laptops and become independent models.

I have also seen 1 who worked in what looks suspiciously like a shipping container; wonderful working environment. :roll:

Some studio bosses do not provide a place for their models to work (though, from the above examples, this may be a good thing). They do provide the computers and cameras, but how long do these ladies have to work to pay off the equipment when they receive 25% of what they are tipped?

Then there are the studios in South America where the male bosses are in the same room and sometimes even shown on camera. How can a model work freely when her boss is right there?

This got longer than I planned. My point is that from all I have seen, studio owners are pond scum who see easy prey in women who desperately need jobs, and they are able to "imprison" these women for the price of a laptop and webcam. Absolute filth.

PS: Before anyone says I could have been lied to by the models to get me to pity tip, I suppose that could have happened (even when I did not tip on those occasions). But when multiple women say the same thing I tend to believe it.

At the expense of a total thread hijack, may I state this.

You won't find those kinds of studios on LiveJasmin, if it bothers you so much, perhaps you should reconsidered spending money on MFC because, indirectly, you are supporting that exploitation.

I do my research and only promote responsible sites.

The models I tip on MFC are not working in/for studios. It is very, very easy to spot a studio girl, even if she is working from home.

And I did say that I have not seen every studio. But the ones I have seen are disgusting.

 

[Ambers Troll]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Seems the studio/ non-studio thing has reared its ugly head again. It is easier to just think of solo vs studio as different, not better or worse.
I see where it comes from, the OP described a model, most likely working from a studio, seemingly upset with her cam work.
She told him directly she did not like this kind of work.

This is what I know of some of the various studio environments around the world.
The better side of a studio is for a small portion of earnings (as little as 10% loss, up to 50%), you get everything you need to cam, full technical support, a safe place to cam from, in an environment that wants you to succeed. For those new to it, they can learn the skills needed to go solo eventually. This is a pretty formal workplace environment, so there is pressure to perform, those who do pretty much get anything they need. In recent years studios have focussed on helping those who want to take it solo do so.
The worse side of studios, is privacy issues (from poor rooms, to too many models in), sometimes hygiene (they have some pretty stict rules on room usage), and that constant, and very regular pressure to perform, in a business where income is irregular. Your contract can restrict you going solo if you choose to for quite a long time. There can be some risk in joining a studio of choosing one that wants to exploit you without offering much in return, poor and desperate women are easily exploited and in some horrendous ways (The horror stories are real, but usually not anything the model can't leave. Keep in mind there are creeps in any office, so a woman in any work environment needs to choose carefully who she works for).
Models who start in the studio system, and stay working, generally end up going solo, there are a good portion who do both studio and non-studio camming too. Many who go solo tend to continue to share camming space with other models, a kind of small studio of their own creation in recent years.

So back to the unhappy model, we are assuming comes from a studio. What can we assume from the unhappy tears, and complaint about work.
1. She was pressured to stop waisting time on a guy who was not interested in spending, but who she enjoyed talking to. (Possible) She felt bad about seducing him to spend or ultimately rejecting his attentions.
2. She is doing this work because it is her only option of decent work, camming always is hard for her, but she is consenting to doing it. (Highly possible)
[Sidestory: Knew someone pretty typical of this kind of situation, a little debt, finishing final years of study, could do camming so did, she joined a studio 3 years, solo for 2, finally left to care for children .... she could have kept camming, but it never quite sat well with her ethically/ culturally, so she took the pay cut, redefined her dream of a good life, and decided no more, however tempting it became... It was hard, I suspect she is still struggling, but last I heard happier]
3. She was upset with her time on, was not earning what she wanted so was frustrated. (likely)
4. She was upset with the member. (there are a few reasons possible....likely)

Non-studio models experience many of the same pressures, and frustrations.... in reality unhappy/ frustrated models can come from anywhere.... happy models who love their camming can come from anywhere too. Taking cultural differences out (those where women are at risk anyplace they work), in general studios have both the benefits and frustrations of working for a company as opposed to working solo. This is what I have heard or experienced over my time watching cams anyway.

Must post this ...had a boss/ manager of one studio and a new model playing on cam about 15 months ago... was fun, quite sexy, and quite natural in the end. One of the more unusual ways to build the work relationship.

 

[TicTacToe]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

I am more of a realist than anything, and unlike most people on these forums I am not a good person, which basically means I have a good bullshit radar. This is what is going on:

1) Her erratic attitude is not part of her quirky nature... She works for a studio... she acts this way because she is probably working 6 sites at the same time. So when she ignores people and then does shit nobody tipped for just because, there is a dude on one of the other sites taking her private or tipping for it.

2) You didn't stop tipping her because you suddenly realized you liked her as a person. You knew off the bat that you would only spend a bit as "a one time thing" because you are either cheap or you cannot afford to spend more. You probably ended up spending more than you had in mind and you decided to stop. Having set limits is fine, making up bullshit stories to feel better about that fact is less so. You are probably using this "white knight" BS story to convince yourself that you aren't in fact a cheap (or broke) bloke more than you are trying to convince us.

3) Because of these 2 realities, I will not waste my breath explaining why you should tip her as you probably won't anyway.

Now comes my personal opinion which is related to these 3 facts but independent from them: you are a time wasting asshole. Once you became her main tipper (a very HIGH MAINTENANCE one, mind you) you try to do some sort of twisted emotional blackmail in which you stop tipping her BECAUSE YOU JUST CARE SO MUCH.

It is brilliant OP. You have created a WIN-WIN situation for yourself. If she says she won't PM anymore now that you won't tip her, you will be able to walk away feeling great! It isn't that you are a cheap bloke, the problem is HER! she can't appreciate your emotional investment! If she continues to PM you, then great! You get to keep a camgirl on a leash made of guilt. You are seriously fucked up, man. I hope she realizes what a big waste of time you are.

 

[littlebitlost]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

OK, trying to answer all the above in one post so bear with me...

I asked her partly out of curiosity & partly because I knew her answer would affect my enjoyment of her show, for better or worse.

At the moment I see this girl as a friend. If your friend in real life seemed down or quite obviously had a problem you would surely ask them about it, whether you thought you could help or not?
Say your mate is insecure about his height & doesn't like to be called short. You notice he's upset whenever you mention his height but you never ask why & continue to talk about it. Eventually he will resent you, firstly for what you said & secondly for being a "friend" who never bothered to question why he was obviously upset. Hope that makes sense...

I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a quick daydream about "rescuing" her when she got upset but realistically I know that wouldn't be easy & I'm almost sure it's not what she wants.

I didn't seek out the "girlfriend experience" but I suppose you could look at it like that now, sure.
Truthfully I wasn't expecting to find someone so open, honest & frankly a little bit vulnerable.
I don't want to offend anyone here but a lot of the other girls I've watched seem a little fake.
& that's fine. Most are experienced & seem to have a game face for when they're on cam. Logically it only makes sense to do so.

 

[littlebitlost]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

I am more of a realist than anything, and unlike most people on these forums I am not a good person, which basically means I have a good bullshit radar. This is what is going on:

1) Her erratic attitude is not part of her quirky nature... She works for a studio... she acts this way because she is probably working 6 sites at the same time. So when she ignores people and then does shit nobody tipped for just because, there is a dude on one of the other sites taking her private or tipping for it.

2) You didn't stop tipping her because you suddenly realized you liked her as a person. You knew off the bat that you would only spend a bit as "a one time thing" because you are either cheap or you cannot afford to spend more. You probably ended up spending more than you had in mind and you decided to stop. Having set limits is fine, making up bullshit stories to feel better about that fact is less so. You are probably using this "white knight" BS story to convince yourself that you aren't in fact a cheap (or broke) bloke more than you are trying to convince us.

3) Because of these 2 realities, I will not waste my breath explaining why you should tip her as you probably won't anyway.

Now comes my personal opinion which is related to these 3 facts but independent from them: you are a time wasting asshole. Once you became her main tipper (a very HIGH MAINTENANCE one, mind you) you try to do some sort of twisted emotional blackmail in which you stop tipping her BECAUSE YOU JUST CARE SO MUCH.

It is brilliant OP. You have created a WIN-WIN situation for yourself. If she says she won't PM anymore now that you won't tip her, you will be able to walk away feeling great! It isn't that you are a cheap bloke, the problem is HER! she can't appreciate your emotional investment! If she continues to PM you, then great! You get to keep a camgirl on a leash made of guilt. You are seriously fucked up, man. I hope she realizes what a big waste of time you are.

Finally, someone I can relate to, who speaks their mind without holding back! Good job... :thumbleft:
That's how we do it here :dance:
I might come across as polite & sensitive (& in a lot of ways I am) but I don't mind a good old-fashioned argument either...


1) HIGHLY possible. The only thing I would say is she is generally pretty quick to respond to chat & PMs.
Would surely be hard on multiple sites... But you could still be right? I wouldn't have a clue.

2) I DEFINITELY spent A LOT more than I originally intended to. But I never intended to stick around so that wasn't hard...
Not a single regret about what's been spent. (except for that first time in her room where everyones tips were ignored :snooty: )

3) I actually bought tokens last night :naughty: despite my intentions...

I will admit that I half expected her to tell me to piss off if I wasn't going to tip.
& yes, that would have made never going back a lot easier!
But she either enjoys the chat or called my bluff because she told me to stick around anyway...

As for the comments on my personality & finances, I'm going to leave that alone.
Never had many complaints about personality (without provoking it) & as for money, I'm not going to turn this into a pissing contest...

Cheers

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

I am more of a realist than anything, and unlike most people on these forums I am not a good person, which basically means I have a good bullshit radar. This is what is going on:

1) Her erratic attitude is not part of her quirky nature... She works for a studio... she acts this way because she is probably working 6 sites at the same time. So when she ignores people and then does shit nobody tipped for just because, there is a dude on one of the other sites taking her private or tipping for it.

2) You didn't stop tipping her because you suddenly realized you liked her as a person. You knew off the bat that you would only spend a bit as "a one time thing" because you are either cheap or you cannot afford to spend more. You probably ended up spending more than you had in mind and you decided to stop. Having set limits is fine, making up bullshit stories to feel better about that fact is less so. You are probably using this "white knight" BS story to convince yourself that you aren't in fact a cheap (or broke) bloke more than you are trying to convince us.

3) Because of these 2 realities, I will not waste my breath explaining why you should tip her as you probably won't anyway.

Now comes my personal opinion which is related to these 3 facts but independent from them: you are a time wasting asshole. Once you became her main tipper (a very HIGH MAINTENANCE one, mind you) you try to do some sort of twisted emotional blackmail in which you stop tipping her BECAUSE YOU JUST CARE SO MUCH.

It is brilliant OP. You have created a WIN-WIN situation for yourself. If she says she won't PM anymore now that you won't tip her, you will be able to walk away feeling great! It isn't that you are a cheap bloke, the problem is HER! she can't appreciate your emotional investment! If she continues to PM you, then great! You get to keep a camgirl on a leash made of guilt. You are seriously fucked up, man. I hope she realizes what a big waste of time you are.

Dude is clearly a manipulative genius. You totally cracked the case. We sure are lucky that you are here to fill us in on exactly what happened.

 

[Camgirl]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

I am more of a realist than anything, and unlike most people on these forums I am not a good person, which basically means I have a good bullshit radar. This is what is going on:

1) Her erratic attitude is not part of her quirky nature... She works for a studio... she acts this way because she is probably working 6 sites at the same time. So when she ignores people and then does shit nobody tipped for just because, there is a dude on one of the other sites taking her private or tipping for it.

2) You didn't stop tipping her because you suddenly realized you liked her as a person. You knew off the bat that you would only spend a bit as "a one time thing" because you are either cheap or you cannot afford to spend more. You probably ended up spending more than you had in mind and you decided to stop. Having set limits is fine, making up bullshit stories to feel better about that fact is less so. You are probably using this "white knight" BS story to convince yourself that you aren't in fact a cheap (or broke) bloke more than you are trying to convince us.

3) Because of these 2 realities, I will not waste my breath explaining why you should tip her as you probably won't anyway.

Now comes my personal opinion which is related to these 3 facts but independent from them: you are a time wasting asshole. Once you became her main tipper (a very HIGH MAINTENANCE one, mind you) you try to do some sort of twisted emotional blackmail in which you stop tipping her BECAUSE YOU JUST CARE SO MUCH.

It is brilliant OP. You have created a WIN-WIN situation for yourself. If she says she won't PM anymore now that you won't tip her, you will be able to walk away feeling great! It isn't that you are a cheap bloke, the problem is HER! she can't appreciate your emotional investment! If she continues to PM you, then great! You get to keep a camgirl on a leash made of guilt. You are seriously fucked up, man. I hope she realizes what a big waste of time you are.

Damn. I like this.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Damn. I like this.

lol yeah me too but for completely different reasons

 

[ItsBillyBitch]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Actually, studio models are much more tolerant of “time wasters” and “freeloaders” than the typical independent model.

To understand this dynamic, you must understand their workplace environment. First of all, studio models have training and it’s from someone who has spent years analyzing the customer base and understands the business and the psychology of their customers.

In other words, someone who knows what the fuck they are doing. Independent models tend to make decisions based on mood or intuition, and not based on research. And they are usually wrong although they will never admit it. They are women, after all, and they are much better at spending money rather than making money.

If any of you even bothered to listened to the OP, he describes himself as someone who has very limited opportunities to interact with women in real life. There’s nothing wrong with that and a relationship with a cam model might just fill a void in his life and bring him happiness.

He will pay (as men always do, just ask my ex-wife), and he might not think so now (none of us do) but it is inevitable.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

 

[mynameisbob84]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Women be shopping!

 

[motherbrain]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

And they are usually wrong although they will never admit it. They are women, after all, and they are much better at spending money rather than making money.

 

[Shaun__]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Actually, studio models are much more tolerant of “time wasters” and “freeloaders” than the typical independent model.

To understand this dynamic, you must understand their workplace environment. First of all, studio models have training and it’s from someone who has spent years analyzing the customer base and understands the business and the psychology of their customers.

In other words, someone who knows what the fuck they are doing. Independent models tend to make decisions based on mood or intuition, and not based on research. And they are usually wrong although they will never admit it. They are women, after all, and they are much better at spending money rather than making money.

If any of you even bothered to listened to the OP, he describes himself as someone who has very limited opportunities to interact with women in real life. There’s nothing wrong with that and a relationship with a cam model might just fill a void in his life and bring him happiness.

He will pay (as men always do, just ask my ex-wife), and he might not think so now (none of us do) but it is inevitable.

I always wondered why the most successful models were studio models, it all make so much sense now.

 

[BambiPersimmon]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Actually, studio models are much more tolerant of “time wasters” and “freeloaders” than the typical independent model.

To understand this dynamic, you must understand their workplace environment. First of all, studio models have training and it’s from someone who has spent years analyzing the customer base and understands the business and the psychology of their customers.

In other words, someone who knows what the fuck they are doing. Independent models tend to make decisions based on mood or intuition, and not based on research. And they are usually wrong although they will never admit it. They are women, after all, and they are much better at spending money rather than making money.

If any of you even bothered to listened to the OP, he describes himself as someone who has very limited opportunities to interact with women in real life. There’s nothing wrong with that and a relationship with a cam model might just fill a void in his life and bring him happiness.

He will pay (as men always do, just ask my ex-wife), and he might not think so now (none of us do) but it is inevitable.

I really don't know how you expect to persuade anyone to agree with your grossly misogynistic reasoning that is based on what some might call "mood or intuition, and not based on research".

 

[Starling]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Independent models tend to make decisions based on mood or intuition, and not based on research. And they are usually wrong although they will never admit it. They are women, after all, and they are much better at spending money rather than making money.

 

[BarbieLuv]

Re: Is she legit? Or doing her bit in a "white knight" scena

Independent models tend to make decisions based on mood or intuition, and not based on research. And they are usually wrong although they will never admit it.

First off, this forum has a lot of successful, independent models. Many of which are the top-ranked girls on the sites they work on. And trust me, they all do lots and lots and LOTS of research on how to be successful, what works and doesn't, what members want, etc. That's how they got to be at the top of their profession in the first place! Saying otherwise is insulting to those of us who don't work for studios and still know what the hell we're doing, and obviously are doing it MUCH better than the studio girls... When's the last time you saw a studio model in the Top 20 of MFC? Oh right, never. It's the independent models who you think don't know what you're doing that get there. Know why? Because on top of that research and scientific analysis into what guys want to see, they place a healthy dose of personal touch, fun, and bringing their own intuition to the table. I can tell you, guys don't become regulars of the girls who bill themselves as just sex objects; they go for girls who have personality, humor, and who offer some form of personal connection on top of sexy times. To say otherwise is more insulting to the guys who visit camsites than the models, honestly. Members are people with wants, needs, and desires just like anyone else, and the best models treat them as such. Lumping all of them into a category and saying "This is what you need to do to get them to give you money, because they're all the same" is demeaning and horrible to some of the nicest guys I've ever had the pleasure of meeting.

For instance, I have a member who I talk with (off-cam) every. single. day. almost without fail. He's been a regular of mine for almost my entire camming career, and though he doesn't get a chance to visit me on-cam very often now (we have opposing schedules) I make sure to ALWAYS keep in touch with him, check up and see how he's doing, all that jazz. Why? Because he's a friend, not just a regular. A very real friend, who just so happens to also like seeing me naked. But if I was a studio model, that never would have happened, because he wouldn't have stopped by my room in the first place if it wasn't for my personality. And I would have missed out on a damn fine friendship (if I do say so myself!)

And of course all the other dozens and dozens of guys who visit, not just to get a show, but to ask me how I liked the newest Doctor Who, talk about coffee, ask me how my dogs are doing, and just generally be awesome, amazing people. You can't lump all of them into a single category of "Do this and they'll like you" because human beings are so, SO diverse in their interests, likes/dislikes, and what attracts them to a person. Thinking otherwise is just being ignorant to how the world works, and seeing guys as nothing but dollar signs isn't the way to get ahead in camming (or any other career, for that matter.)

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