Incel (Involuntary Celibacy)

[justjoinedtopost]

I'm a simple mind guy, I don't belive in evil feminist conspiracy theory, I'm not saying thay you do, just to be clear.

It's no conspiracy theory, it's a fact; the article is deceptive.

Now if you want conspiracy theory, then I would ask why a UK feminist, presumably inspired by a van attack that took place in Toronto, and relying on quotes from a BBC propagandist and a lovely Irish(?) author, feels the need to close her sorceries out with a paragraph on deep cultural problems in America?

 

[Ambers Troll]

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-43881931 The Alek Minassian post the previous article used was sourced from here.

The feminist rhetoric was a bit over the top, but each to their own.

 

[Just_A_Guy]

It's no conspiracy theory, it's a fact; the article is deceptive.

Now if you want conspiracy theory, then I would ask why a UK feminist, presumably inspired by a van attack that took place in Toronto, and relying on quotes from a BBC propagandist and a lovely Irish(?) author, feels the need to close her sorceries out with a paragraph on deep cultural problems in America?

Don't know. Guess that women are sick of being targeted and sometimes killed? Again, I'm a simple mind guy so that is the simpliest explanation that comes to my mind.

 

[Fatquack]

(To be read with the right English accent)
"What a bunch of wankers!"

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Don't know. Guess that women are sick of being targeted and sometimes killed? Again, I'm a simple mind guy so that is the simpliest explanation that comes to my mind.

It may be leftists have proven that they are phonies. Utter frauds (at least at the top of the pyramid, the bottom is more naive indoctrinates imo), no better than the right. Since scapegoating, and hysterical fearmongering, and policing speech is all they apparently know to do, they can't afford to pass up a chance like this Toronto incident.

This may also play into it
http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/technology/hate-speech-facebook-twitter-europe/index.html
https://gizmodo.com/europe-to-facebook-and-google-remove-illegal-content-i-1823423146
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...youtube-twitter-microsoft-eu-hate-speech-code
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-facebook-twitter-and-google-submit-to-eu-hate-speech-rules/
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/28/16380526/eu-hate-speech-laws-google-facebook-twitter
A frantic bid to control the narrative? A slow conditioning to more censorship?

I got in a little internet back and forth with a woman the other day over the FOSTA legislation. Pointing out the dangers of it were useless. Why? Because she has sex trafficking and pedophile rings on the brain. Almost a cultish obsession. Now listen to this cultish call for more FOSTA...
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/toronto-attack-incel-alek-minassian

Simple guy, if you are inclined to answer (and you aren't so protected by government that you are afraid to give an honest answer), tell me this. The van attack was on random strangers, men and women. The fearsome Incels appear to target chads, normies, and cucks too (presumably all of which are males, unless they don't exist anymore because professors have decided there isn't enough room for them on the list of genders). So why does so much of the hysteria around this seem to focus on just misogyny?

 

[Just_A_Guy]

@justjoinedtopost

if you are inclined to answer

I'm aware of the EU actions. I have to say that some of the EU countries already had in place their own specific legislations addressing the hate groups presence on social media. In some cases, these legislations have been passed in the past by goverments lead by conservative parties. The issue with Facebook, Twitter, etc is not a news because it's been going on since a while, as far as I know. We are just coming down to a sort of ultimatum, let's see.

EU is also addressing/cracking down the fake news issue as you maybe already know.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/04/26/technology/26reuters-eu-internet-fakenews.html

Personally, I've said in this thread that also other men or other group of people might be a target in their hallucinated minds but, I suspect, since women are way more an easy target for them, that's where their hatred is directed towards.

 

[NoelleBright]

It may be leftists have proven that they are phonies. Utter frauds (at least at the top of the pyramid, the bottom is more naive indoctrinates imo), no better than the right. Since scapegoating, and hysterical fearmongering, and policing speech is all they apparently know to do, they can't afford to pass up a chance like this Toronto incident.

This may also play into it
http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/technology/hate-speech-facebook-twitter-europe/index.html
https://gizmodo.com/europe-to-facebook-and-google-remove-illegal-content-i-1823423146
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...youtube-twitter-microsoft-eu-hate-speech-code
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-facebook-twitter-and-google-submit-to-eu-hate-speech-rules/
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/28/16380526/eu-hate-speech-laws-google-facebook-twitter
A frantic bid to control the narrative? A slow conditioning to more censorship?

I got in a little internet back and forth with a woman the other day over the FOSTA legislation. Pointing out the dangers of it were useless. Why? Because she has sex trafficking and pedophile rings on the brain. Almost a cultish obsession. Now listen to this cultish call for more FOSTA...
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/toronto-attack-incel-alek-minassian

Simple guy, if you are inclined to answer (and you aren't so protected by government that you are afraid to give an honest answer), tell me this. The van attack was on random strangers, men and women. The fearsome Incels appear to target chads, normies, and cucks too (presumably all of which are males, unless they don't exist anymore because professors have decided there isn't enough room for them on the list of genders). So why does so much of the hysteria around this seem to focus on just misogyny?

Probably because this is one thing they're actually held accountable for.They had two of their subreddits banned over threats of violence against other men, once when a member was posting about his plans to castrate his "Chad" roommate, and another time when they were actively trying to convince one of their own members to kill himself because it "never gets any better".
This was after a BUNCH of posts where they threatened violence against women, threads where they discussed how to fake being underage so they could try to fuck 14 year olds, and another where one individual claimed he impregnated a woman and would like to try to fuck his own daughter once she turns 12. None of that got the subreddit banned, but threaten to cut off one dick and down it goes.

 

[heybarkeep]

It may be leftists have proven that they are phonies. Utter frauds (at least at the top of the pyramid, the bottom is more naive indoctrinates imo), no better than the right. Since scapegoating, and hysterical fearmongering, and policing speech is all they apparently know to do, they can't afford to pass up a chance like this Toronto incident.

This may also play into it
http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/technology/hate-speech-facebook-twitter-europe/index.html
https://gizmodo.com/europe-to-facebook-and-google-remove-illegal-content-i-1823423146
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...youtube-twitter-microsoft-eu-hate-speech-code
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-facebook-twitter-and-google-submit-to-eu-hate-speech-rules/
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/28/16380526/eu-hate-speech-laws-google-facebook-twitter
A frantic bid to control the narrative? A slow conditioning to more censorship?

I got in a little internet back and forth with a woman the other day over the FOSTA legislation. Pointing out the dangers of it were useless. Why? Because she has sex trafficking and pedophile rings on the brain. Almost a cultish obsession. Now listen to this cultish call for more FOSTA...
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/toronto-attack-incel-alek-minassian

Simple guy, if you are inclined to answer (and you aren't so protected by government that you are afraid to give an honest answer), tell me this. The van attack was on random strangers, men and women. The fearsome Incels appear to target chads, normies, and cucks too (presumably all of which are males, unless they don't exist anymore because professors have decided there isn't enough room for them on the list of genders). So why does so much of the hysteria around this seem to focus on just misogyny?

Very insightful post. Accurate. Based in reality. You probably angered some by not enabling weakness and not offering an opportunity to be pitied. Never not funny. Not just the comically inaccurate attempts at brown nosing but how pitiful feminists have become. Imagine having it so easy that you have to play make believe in pathetic attempts to garner sympathy. Imagine being so privileged and coddled that you have to co opt the struggles of others so you can play the victim. Imagine being that worthless. That is what modern feminism has become. A cesspool for the lazy and weak. A safe space to blame all your shortcomings on others. Not much different than the incel.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Probably because this is one thing they're actually held accountable for.They had two of their subreddits banned over threats of violence against other men, once when a member was posting about his plans to castrate his "Chad" roommate, and another time when they were actively trying to convince one of their own members to kill himself because it "never gets any better".
This was after a BUNCH of posts where they threatened violence against women, threads where they discussed how to fake being underage so they could try to fuck 14 year olds, and another where one individual claimed he impregnated a woman and would like to try to fuck his own daughter once she turns 12. None of that got the subreddit banned, but threaten to cut off one dick and down it goes.

Interesting. So their subreddit getting banned is evidence of even more misogyny. Clearly the system is clearly rigged against women. Or perhaps too sensitive to misandry...

All of that is demented for sure. How in the world did you stick around long enough to watch that timeline play out? One of the reasons I don't monitor /pol closely is that, in the past, it seemed to be a nonstop stream of darkness. Not worth wading through the muck to me; better to wait for others to retrieve items of interest.

For kicks, I took @Ambers Troll sentiments and posted them on braincel just to see what sort of reaction it would get (would have preferred incels.me, but registrations are closed). Does this make me one of "them"? Are "they" now a source of love and positivity?

Noelle, let's set the shocking text that appeared in these groups aside for a moment. Forget banning of subreddits, with their never-ending drama re. shills, vote manipulation, infiltrators, etc...what do you think about laws?

 

[SaffronBurke]

Anyone remember that dude who started a thread here last year, whining about how "gross-looking" camgirls' vaginas are? I remembered that train wreck today and it occured to me that a lot of the stuff he was complaining about is rather close to what incels also complain about:

• Vaginas get stretched out from use and age, causing longer inner labia - incels frequently compare these labia to roast beef, often with visual aids, to a degree that over on r/badwomensanatomy folks are just complaining about constant Arby's cravings due to all the screenshots of roast beef sandwiches. Infact, some folks on BWA have pointed out that labia and roast beef are both delicious and we would like both in our faces please (though not at the same time). Hell, lemme eat some pussy then have Arby's post-sex, sounds grand.
• Blah blah men can only have sex if they're "hot" and in shape/buff (dude in that thread mentioned working out at multiple points, and complained that he still had trouble having sex) blah blah..... Yo, dudes, I know multiple straight women who are into scrawny men and will not fuck a muscular dude if he's the last one alive. I also know plenty of fat dudes in happy, committed, sex-having relationship. Having a nice personality and, I know this is a stretch, treating women like people gets you farther than just being "hot and buff". Shock, gasp, awe, who would've known.
• Hiring an escort to solve the no-sex problem is "gross". See vagina comment. Though the dude who started the thread here thought that jacking off was also gross, as well as realdolls, which many people suggested to him. I'm not sure what the common incel opinion is on masturbation, fleshlights, or realdolls, and I don't really feel like asking them.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

I'm aware of the EU actions. I have to say that some of the EU countries already had in place their own specific legislations addressing the hate groups presence on social media. In some cases, these legislations have been passed in the past by goverments lead by conservative parties. The issue with Facebook, Twitter, etc is not a news because it's been going on since a while, as far as I know. We are just coming down to a sort of ultimatum, let's see.

EU is also addressing/cracking down the fake news issue as you maybe already know.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/04/26/technology/26reuters-eu-internet-fakenews.html

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/04/26/technology/26reuters-eu-internet-fakenews.html
I have mixed feelings about that Simple Guy. This is because the ones entrusted with overseeing fake news/hate speech appear to have been using such terms to hide inconvenient real news, and real acts of hatred.

Personally, I've said in this thread that also other men or other group of people might be a target in their hallucinated minds but, I suspect, since women are way more an easy target for them, that's where their hatred is directed towards.

This is no hallucination. See @NoelleBright post for testimony that men were also targeted.

Simple Guy, are you patronizing the female gender?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-43881931 The Alek Minassian post the previous article used was sourced from here.

The feminist rhetoric was a bit over the top, but each to their own.

Tame in comparison to the Guardian post mentioned earlier...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/raw-hatred-why-incel-movement-targets-terrorises-women

Some of the fault, in their eyes, is with attractive men who have sex with too many women – “We need to do something about the polygamy problem,” said the Incelcast, an astonishing three-hour podcast about the Toronto attack – but, of course, the main problem is women themselves, who become foes as people, but also as a political entity.

I honestly wonder if Zoe Williams even listened to the podcast before writing her dreadful piece of clickbait. I did out of curiousity.

Parts of it had a Crank Yankers feel, very juvenile snickering after someone said they were black, that sort of thing. The most objectionable part to me was when someone called (they talked about previously getting laid, not sure if it was a fake chad, incel, or what) claiming to have tried to blackmail a woman into sex by threatening to post nudes of her online. Host of the podcast quickly jumped in with a "I don't condone that sort of illegal stuff", the caller said "Yeah I try to stay away from illegal stuff nowdays...". Insufficient response from the host imo, an immediate boot followed by a good cursing out would have been a course of action I would be more likely to relate to.

At times it was impossible to tell whether they were being serious or not, at others the discussion seemed to be very genuine. Touched on a number of topics...

Spoiler

• legalizing suicide for incels
• legalizing prostitution to make their plight more bearable
• "socialized romance"
• "socialized plastic surgery"
• quotas on aborting more males to increase the female/male ratio in society
• how to best eliminate toxic (violent/trollish) members from incel communities
• incel subreddits/discords getting banned
• double standards in sexual harassment cases
• Toronto being a hotbed of incel/mgtow activity
• experiences catfishing as Stacies/Chads
• whether being part of incel community negatively affected mental state (the guy that was talking said yes; unsurprising, the 2 hour podcast left my head in a fog of "ick" that took a while to dissipate)
• Borderline Personality Disorder and ostracization of mental illness (there is apparently another subset called "mentalcel", who knew)

All in all, I would say they are every bit as self absorbed as Zoe Williams (perhaps not self absorbed, but more tied to an identity), and certainly no less deranged. They certainly didn't seem to be as interested in demonizing as much as Zoe.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Very insightful post. Accurate. Based in reality. You probably angered some by not enabling weakness and not offering an opportunity to be pitied. Never not funny. Not just the comically inaccurate attempts at brown nosing but how pitiful feminists have become. Imagine having it so easy that you have to play make believe in pathetic attempts to garner sympathy. Imagine being so privileged and coddled that you have to co opt the struggles of others so you can play the victim. Imagine being that worthless. That is what modern feminism has become. A cesspool for the lazy and weak. A safe space to blame all your shortcomings on others. Not much different than the incel.

I tend to agree with you, but only regarding some of the more vocal feminists. And for the record, I saw the exact same black magic being practiced in fundamentalist Christian circles. Constant reminders that we were victims, constant threat from the outside our ideology (mostly words in music, movies, books, etc., supplemented with stories of violent horrors in far off places)...

Interesting that years of listening to Rush Limbaugh never really fouled my view of feminism. I still regarded it as a positive thing. The last couple of years though, listening to Christina Hoff Sommers and female ex/anti-feminists has changed my view more than his feminazi rants ever did.

I used the word leftists, mostly because I don't believe it is limited to feminism, but any of the identity groups. Angela Nagle has an interesting thread on this being used...

Bemused detachment, since I am not really familiar enough with UK politics to take a side.

Joy Reid's recent debacle also comes to mind.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Anyone remember that dude who started a thread here last year, whining about how "gross-looking" camgirls' vaginas are? I remembered that train wreck today and it occured to me that a lot of the stuff he was complaining about is rather close to what incels also complain about:

https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/threads/gosh-i-hate-cam-women.27971/


All I remembered about that thread was Jesus and Tupac, but you are right. Page 4-5 sounds incel for sure.

 

[NoelleBright]

Interesting. So their subreddit getting banned is evidence of even more misogyny. Clearly the system is clearly rigged against women. Or perhaps too sensitive to misandry...

All of that is demented for sure. How in the world did you stick around long enough to watch that timeline play out? One of the reasons I don't monitor /pol closely is that, in the past, it seemed to be a nonstop stream of darkness. Not worth wading through the muck to me; better to wait for others to retrieve items of interest.

For kicks, I took @Ambers Troll sentiments and posted them on braincel just to see what sort of reaction it would get (would have preferred incels.me, but registrations are closed). Does this make me one of "them"? Are "they" now a source of love and positivity?

Noelle, let's set the shocking text that appeared in these groups aside for a moment. Forget banning of subreddits, with their never-ending drama re. shills, vote manipulation, infiltrators, etc...what do you think about laws?

I don't even have to follow it, any time they do anything more shocking than usual it usually ends up on the front page via reposts. When the subreddits got banned there were several threads breaking down exactly what happened and screen shots of the man-hate that took them down, along side all the other awful shit that somehow didn't.
I'm not even sure what you mean about laws.
I think these guys are just a symptom of a way bigger problem that I'm not nearly qualified enough to speak on. The way people treat each other, in general, is horrible and laws won't help that. Everyone wants to point a finger instead of looking at their own actions and considering how their behavior may also be contributing. These guys feel awful and useless and treat women like shit, then women turn around and yell about how men are trash and around and around it goes.

 

[Lelo1]

It never would it have occurred to me that blaming another entire gender for me being single was an option.

Some serial killers have similar views. But then Serial killers can come from multi generations of physical & mental abuse. Where both genders express hatred for each others gender due to abuse they suffered from the opposite gender as a child.

 

[heybarkeep]

Interesting that years of listening to Rush Limbaugh never really fouled my view of feminism. I still regarded it as a positive thing. The last couple of years though, listening to Christina Hoff Sommers and female ex/anti-feminists has changed my view more than his feminazi rants ever did.

An uncomfortable realization that has grown impossible to ignore. Any positive benefits to an advancing society have been eroded away by repugnant creatures. Allowed to do so by our own complacency. I fear we are approaching a point of no return. The rise of the incel alongside the decay of the feminist brings the downfall of western civilization. End times draw near.

Yeah idk, just being nerdy here. Need to familiarize myself with the Joy Reid debacle.

 

[asia_lynn]

I like to console myself with the thought that one day humans will die out and the world will move on and none of this will matter

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Need to familiarize myself with the Joy Reid debacle.

Long story short, she was caught in the hate sins of homophobia and transphobia via an old blog and some tweets, had nothing to do with me-sogyny. She offered up a half apology, half "Wadn't me man; I got hacked."

Perhaps realizing that loony lyin' left can't afford to lose any more POC's, ally Rachel Maddow stood by her, voiced her support for Reid (I am told Sean Hannity was overheard offering to waterboard them both until they confessed and fully repented).

In full crisis mode, MSNBC quickly assembled a panel, and for 20 minutes they all raised awareness, in turn mildly rebuking and then forgiving Reid for the violence she perpetrated against their marginalized community. Very somber affair. Here it is if you interested.



Made me feel a little sad that this was apparently meant to be taken seriously. Then it made me laugh at the utter pretentiousness of it all. Then, finally, came relief with the realization that for at least 20 minutes, they were all too busy to be off somewhere trying to teach 4 year olds what a natural and healthy thing full-goatse displays are.

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member 45270]

My favourite incel-related content:
View attachment 75967

This is perfect because it encapsulates incels for what they are: having a certain set of standards for women and being mad when women, too, have standards.


The saddest part for me is that a lot of young outcasts are seeking fellow minded people going through the same pain to relate to, and unfortunately end up finding incel sites.. what starts out as a safe haven for a group of unwanted and unloved turns into a toxic community that rots the users minds.
Nobody going there to seriously consume and produce content realises that it's making them more depressed than they were before, being continuously exposed to how angry they are at other women and men being happier than they are; they'll continue to think how great it is to have finally found somebody, anybody else making them feel less alone in the world, who hates the same people they hate.

Incel sites. Not even once.

 

[heybarkeep]

I like to console myself with the thought that one day humans will die out and the world will move on and none of this will matter

A feeling I often share but we must remain defiant to the end even in the face of what might appear to be insurmountable odds. To do otherwise is to go against our own very nature.

Long story short, she was caught in the hate sins of homophobia and transphobia via an old blog and some tweets, had nothing to do with me-sogyny. She offered up a half apology, half "Wadn't me man; I got hacked."

Perhaps realizing that loony lyin' left can't afford to lose any more POC's, ally Rachel Maddow stood by her, voiced her support for Reid (I am told Sean Hannity was overheard offering to waterboard them both until they confessed and fully repented).

In full crisis mode, MSNBC quickly assembled a panel, and for 20 minutes they all raised awareness, in turn mildly rebuking and then forgiving Reid for the violence she perpetrated against their marginalized community. Very somber affair. Here it is if you interested.



Made me feel a little sad that this was apparently meant to be taken seriously. Then it made me laugh at the utter pretentiousness of it all. Then, finally, came relief with the realization that for at least 20 minutes, they were all too busy to be off somewhere trying to teach 4 year olds what a natural and healthy thing full-goatse displays are.

Spoiler

Sins of the past claim another soul. Purity test results determine her unclean. Huh, think I'm running out of rhetoric here. For the best I suppose because the plague known as MSNBC has left me ill and in need of slumber. The upcoming battles will require us all to be at full strength if we intend to survive.

 

[Ambers Troll]

Seems that Marc Lepine is coming into the conversation (definitely started out as the incel type of socially awkward pre-incel sites) ... something of his motivation for murdering women below.

"He also hated women. The reason for this one was quite simple - they didn't like him, or they didn't find him attractive. This hatred of women grew into an absolute loathing. Lepine ended up labelling all women who didn't want him 'feminist.' He particularly hated feminists.

Eventually Lepine found a woman who liked him a little, and she became pregnant. For Lepine this was a solution, she couldn't get away if they had a child together, and he would have a son. Unfortunately for Lepine his girlfriend decided she didn't want a kid, and told him she was getting an abortion. For Lepine this was too much, and he decided to take the ultimate revenge on all the feminists he could."

This is where he tried to join the military and failed... I think it likely he was planning something far worse. Military psych tests, thank god that they are so effective.

 

[Ambers Troll]

For kicks, I took @Ambers Troll sentiments and posted them on braincel just to see what sort of reaction it would get (would have preferred incels.me, but registrations are closed).

Would be curious what those in the later stages of grief say, those who are past the anger stage. I'm sure from the OP they would see that they have my support; but I won't make life easy for them to play victim.
As I said at the start, I would identify as incel (original definition/ meaning i.e. both sexes), am in the 'opt out' group. Never knew of the term until just before posting here. For me incel means those with trouble partnering up due to who they are; involuntarily celibate usually because they are not interested in superficial (for some even superficial partnering fails).

I know nothing about the 'incel movement', it would be as described given the nature of its topics. A site dominated by men is bound to be misogynistic/ androcentric. Since the attacks on Greg Elliot such sites would be impossible to discuss objectively anyway, so am not interested in going there knowing how such discussions always end.

The personality behind the van attack and the series of life failures that led to the loss of control of his demons is what interests me. In the cam world there are many members who would fit the incel type in terms of sexual expression. How unstable is the type in real life?
Was really curious to explore that, rather than any links to misogynistic movements.

The canaries in the mine of deeper concerns about society interest me... I love digging in the dark, that is where the greatest treasures lurk.

This thread has understandably taken the Greg Elliot vs feminist path but some interesting gems along the way.
I see mass attacks on women; I think the van attackers' main fantasy was based on wanting to hurt women, as unsurprising warning signs of sexual dysfunction and inequality. Men are losing their voice and hanging on to the worst of themselves as default, we need to stop whining and stop reflecting our own views against a feminist backlash.
Incel pain is not about sexual politics, it is about the grief surrounding rejection. Grieving rejections can take a long time.

Most of the incel type either give in to the pain of it or keeping looking in the wrong places, this is a trap.
For myself 'opt out' means that I don't see the reward in looking to partner up by chasing it: The length of the chase just doesn't match the reward so I spend time on other things. Superficial partnering bores me as it can't lead to what I really desire; also it isn't fair to any partner in terms of consent.
Involuntary doesn't mean unhappy, just that you can see something more for yourself.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Seems that Marc Lepine is coming into the conversation (definitely started out as the incel type of socially awkward pre-incel sites) ... something of his motivation for murdering women below.

We should move the focus to Robert Pickton. Guaranteed to make anyone an advocate for sex workers rights, feminism, and possibly veganism (at least in the short term).

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Would be curious what those in the later stages of grief say, those who are past the anger stage. I'm sure from the OP they would see that they have my support; but I won't make life easy for them to play victim.

I would say subreddits and internet forums riddled with shitposters/trolls are a poor way to attempt to learn anything meaningful about all that. And for the record, I didn't direct them to your OP, just distilled the message down to its essentials while retaining the psychobabble and posted it myself. And while the message I posted is arguably "supportive", the truth is I couldn't care any less about "them"; it was pretty much just me entertaining myself while sipping a beer.

As I said at the start, I would identify as...

ugh

 

[Lucid1]

Ok, so after educating myself on what an "incel" is, I'm still having an issue rectifying exactly what the end game is with the movement. Or can it really be considered a "movement", or have an endgame?

Movements of the past have usually been relegated to a specific age group, but from what I've read about "incels", it doesn't seem to have a target age group, or demographic, if you will pardon the term.

It just seems so socially darwin'ish to me, to the point that the discussion kinda seems that it should center around the reasons why people feel the need to "choose" to be an incel. I mean, it is a choice after all. It would seem that the psychology behind this idea is that it's society's fault, and not an individual manifestation.

 

[Deleted member 45270]

It just seems so socially darwin'ish to me, to the point that the discussion kinda seems that it should center around the reasons why people feel the need to "choose" to be an incel. I mean, it is a choice after all. It would seem that the psychology behind this idea is that it's society's fault, and not an individual manifestation.

They would agree with the latter of your post. The term "incel" as this thread title says is "involuntary celibacy." Incels don't believe they have a choice and that they are doomed from the get-go due to society's standards. That's where the toxic, self-defeating attitude starts coming in and the arguments for others (mainly women) to change for them starts coming out.

I don't believe there's an official demographic but in my experience it is the people in their late teens to early/mid twenties who make up the majority of outspoken incels. Fresh out of getting rejected in every which way during school, they believe that their life will always be like this and label themselves as forever unwanted by the opposite sex.

There isn't really an endgame unless you're counting in their demands for people to change their superficial standards and "date down." Others want prostitution to be legalised to get rid of inceldom, though not every incel counts paid sex as ""real"" sex, and still count themselves as incel even if they have an opportunity to pay for companionship.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Ok, so after educating myself on what an "incel" is, I'm still having an issue rectifying exactly what the end game is with the movement. Or can it really be considered a "movement", or have an endgame?

Good Lord, I hadn't even thought about that!

Pretty clear they are marginalized, so I suppose the sky is the limit. I imagine in a few years Incel theory will be a standard part of the curriculum in public schools. Wouldn't be surprised to eventually see them gather by the thousands in Washington D.C., many wearing undesirable-penis costumes and hats, listening to their speakers screech about how nasty they are and blowing up the White House while they all clamor for open borders.

They are really going to need to work on their messaging and outreach though, maybe think up a few catchy phrases like "Incelism isn't just for repulsive men, it's for everybody!"

 

[heybarkeep]

Seems that Marc Lepine is coming into the conversation (definitely started out as the incel type of socially awkward pre-incel sites) ... something of his motivation for murdering women below.

"He also hated women. The reason for this one was quite simple - they didn't like him, or they didn't find him attractive. This hatred of women grew into an absolute loathing. Lepine ended up labelling all women who didn't want him 'feminist.' He particularly hated feminists.

Eventually Lepine found a woman who liked him a little, and she became pregnant. For Lepine this was a solution, she couldn't get away if they had a child together, and he would have a son. Unfortunately for Lepine his girlfriend decided she didn't want a kid, and told him she was getting an abortion. For Lepine this was too much, and he decided to take the ultimate revenge on all the feminists he could."

This is where he tried to join the military and failed... I think it likely he was planning something far worse. Military psych tests, thank god that they are so effective.

Dude wasn't only nuts but lazy too. Seemed to be trying to rationalize his illogical hatred simply by seeing all women as feminists. Was the easiest way for him to justify his warped views. A lazy simpleton that was perfectly suited to be cannon fodder if you ask me.

 

[Ambers Troll]

It just seems so socially darwin'ish to me

Social Darwinism is a fun idea to play around with. It would be much more complex than the natural kind.

Somewhat off topic - Always loved the Darwin Awards stories jokingly relating to natural Darwinism too. In reality gene expression for most of us born today is well and truly disseminated, so the idea of it is not so simple/ direct and there will always be someone selecting out their own future existence. Slowly over time things do change though: There are actually electrical mutants with us right now post the invention of electricity... check this out. (Note the last section on sexual de-selection from the gene pool too.)


So applied to incels long term ...they deserve our thanks.