I don't care about your finances

[tubby556]

I don't care that you are in a custody battle with your ex-boyfriend, ex-husband, etc.

I don't care that you can't make your rent.

I don't care that you're 3 weeks behind in day care payments.

I don't care your car got repossessed.

I don't give a fuck about your problems.

Wipe the emotion from your eyes and handle business.

Skin for money, Honey, that's the business.

Customers give money to models thinking they are shrines to be worshiped until the regulars run out of money and get the cold shoulder.

Loyalty is only as good as the next paycheck. Applies to working stiffs as well as cam girls.

 

[Evvie]

Sounds like someone forgot how to click "next model".

 

[SatanJonez]

In a way I get this, but it still doesn't seem like the tubby I know. I have always figured goods for services. I have never expected anything for nothing (even if I'm just being especially entertaining in public, nude or not). This is still damn harsh for the type of forum Amber has created, in a way.

 

[AnaVictoriaXO]

I don't care that you are in a custody battle with your ex-boyfriend, ex-husband, etc.

I don't care that you can't make your rent.

I don't care that you're 3 weeks behind in day care payments.

I don't care your car got repossessed.

I don't give a fuck about your problems.

Wipe the emotion from your eyes and handle business.

Skin for money, Honey, that's the business.

Customers give money to models thinking they are shrines to be worshiped until the regulars run out of money and get the cold shoulder.

Loyalty is only as good as the next paycheck. Applies to working stiffs as well as cam girls.

To an extent, I agree. I dont care too much for sob stories, everyone has their problems. BUT, not every model gives the "cold shoulder" to those who can no longer tip.

 

[Evvie]

I don't care that you are in a custody battle with your ex-boyfriend, ex-husband, etc.

I don't care that you can't make your rent.

I don't care that you're 3 weeks behind in day care payments.

I don't care your car got repossessed.

I don't give a fuck about your problems.

Wipe the emotion from your eyes and handle business.

Skin for money, Honey, that's the business.

Customers give money to models thinking they are shrines to be worshiped until the regulars run out of money and get the cold shoulder.

Loyalty is only as good as the next paycheck. Applies to working stiffs as well as cam girls.

To an extent, I agree. I dont care too much for sob stories, everyone has their problems. BUT, not every model gives the "cold shoulder" to those who can no longer tip.

Tubby may be surprised if he found out many models have huge internal struggles about cutting off free content for regulars who no longer tip.

 

[tubby556]

In a way I get this, but it still doesn't seem like the tubby I know.

No it's not the Tubby you know, just the new meat of MFC. I've always tried to be a gentleman first and foremost, but lately it's been for nothing. There's a medium there to be met.

I have always figured goods for services. I have never expected anything for nothing (even if I'm just being especially entertaining in public, nude or not).

It's not about the exchange it's about the sob story to market the goods. That's the problem. Sell yourself, not your problems or lack of personal management.

This is still damn harsh for the type of forum Amber has created, in a way.

Despite being away for some time, though being here from near the creation of the forum, I don't think it's harsh at all. It's reality. What it boils down to is cut the sob story BS and just be yourself. Present what you have and leave the rest to the past.

 

[tubby556]

Tubby may be surprised if he found out many models have huge internal struggles about cutting off free content for regulars who no longer tip.

Cutting off free content for regulars who longer tip is understandable and accepted. This is entirely different.

This targets the "2,000 tokens to pay my rent", "1,500 tokens to pay for my vet bill for my cat", etc type topics.

 

[tubby556]

Tubby may be surprised if he found out many models have huge internal struggles about cutting off free content for regulars who no longer tip.

Those that have such issues need to drop the emotions and focus on why they do what they do.

Sympathy is not marketing.

 

[tubby556]

Sounds like someone forgot how to click "next model".

Respectfully, you know nothing about me, my presence on MFC, nor my participation in the beginning of this forum. Trust me, I've clicked "Next Model" plenty of times.

 

[Shaun__]

A model friend offered to buy me tokens today, when I told her I had negative two tokens after our true private. That does not seem like the cold shoulder to me.

 

[bawksy]

Alright, camsto... I mean, tubby, stop posting when you're whacked out of your fucking mind.

You're absolutely right. It's pretty goddamn annoying when a model uses a sob story to elicit more tokens, even in the rare event that she isn't lying about the situation. But you know what? Business is business, and sometimes, sob stories work. Plenty of guys on MFC are dumb or emotionally fragile or gullible enough to fall for it. There's not much you can do about it except to not be one of those guys, and to click "next model".

 

[ScarlettLeigh]

Yes.....all cam models are the same tubby. You've figured it out that we're all money grubbers and care about nothing else. My god, you're so smart. If this is your thought process toward cam models why are you on MFC? Dude....

 

[missmeowmixx]

Dude has a point, but dude should definitely also click next model, heheh. :thumbleft:

Sometimes cam girls cant help but be emotiony on cam, its part of the gig. But I agree that it's bad form to directly tell your sobstory because you should try to get your tokens in a more legit way. =) and not be a charity case if you can at all help it.

so yeah, dude has a point. but chicks gonna do what they gonna do no matter what you say or think, also. :alien:

 

[schlmoe]

Cam girls did not invent "sob story marketing". Although not all cam girls use it, I'm sure it is still used (by some) because it works. There are too many girls here who don't use that, so it's easier for me to click "next".

What does bother me, is to take the same list (or very similar) and apply it to the members (some of them, anyway). I can't tip you because _______. Those are the finances I don't care about. It's bad enough to see the members becoming attention whores through tipping or ridiculous emotes, but I really hate the non-tipping attention whores...for whatever the reason. :twocents-02cents:

 

[AmyLemon]

What does bother me, is to take the same list (or very similar) and apply it to the members (some of them, anyway). I can't tip you because _______.

Yeah this! On the flipside models are also inundated by, "sob stories". Between starving students, pensioners on a fixed income, fellows struggling with unemployment, underemployment, health concerns, child support, divorce proceedings, custody and legal disputes, we get it spades as well. Although I'm not speaking on behalf of all models I would hazard a guess that many of us take the position of, "dude, seriously, I don't really give a fuck, as long as you're freeloading quietly we're good".

I totally get where the OP is coming from in cases where a model just always seems to be in crisis. But then, many premiums feed on that kind of "damsel in distress" dynamic and obviously the OP isn't the target market for that methodology. I prefer the Vending Machine model of camgirlage too - plug me with kindness quarters and sex will fall out.

 

[Adrianna_]

Few days ago, I heard a model with around 20000 camscore, almost every month in top 100 and very often in top 20 to tell her regulars, that she can't afford to go in London for the olympics, because plane tickets are very expencive. She got showered with thousands in minutes (like every day btw) and consoled about how hard her life is. I bet she drives a Benz and has at least 3 Chanel bags, while some of her members will probably pay the loan they took to tip her till the rest of their miserable life. I just hope there is karma.
:twocents-02cents:

 

[LailaBaise]

Following in the vein of sob story peddlers on the member's side, the most insulting and gear grinding of them all has to be the playing of the military card. The majority of these soldiers on the battlefield of free wank fodder I very much doubt have ever even participated in a fitness boot camp let alone half an hour of military service, and if they have, well shame on them for making a mockery of 'support our troops'. For them to think they are entitled to free skypes, pic sets, custom videos, video packages etc etc etc because they 'claim' to be fighting a war just makes me rage! :angry4:


Ha, I remember a few years ago I was chatting with a 'soldier' and he was spinning his yarn about his heroics, when I said it was time for me to log off. He asked when I would return and I said 'about 22.30, UK time'. LOL he asked what time that was because he "didn't know that way", meaning the 24 hour clock. :lol:

 

[Ataboy]

I could be wrong: But wasn't it...once upon a time...against the rules to use this "sob story" marketing? I thought I read somewhere that models weren't allowed to ask for tokens for anything other than to perform or for something camming related such as a new cam or new toys? I think the rules guide may have used an example of asking for rent money or money to help with kids care? I could be wrong..but I specifically remember something to this effect.

Once into a models room and she was balling her eyes out because she had many tokens taken from her because the credit card used to purchase the tokens was determined to be stolen. She was using the sympathy card to try to get the tokens back. A little turned off by that. This is just a risk of doing business. Any credit card based business runs this risk. At my job, I can repossess the merchandise, but unfortunately you can't repossess a cum show that has been viewed. It sucks, but it comes with the territory.

As for the model mentioned above wanting money for her trip to the Olympics: I would be kind of put off by someone asking me for money to help fix their Mercedes when I need help fixing my Mazda. But again...sadly...members fell for it.

 

[AmberCutie]

I could be wrong: But wasn't it...once upon a time...against the rules to use this "sob story" marketing? I thought I read somewhere that models weren't allowed to ask for tokens for anything other than to perform or for something camming related such as a new cam or new toys? I think the rules guide may have used an example of asking for rent money or money to help with kids care? I could be wrong..but I specifically remember something to this effect.

The example was something about using "my mother is sick in the hospital and I don't have money for her medicine" or something like that. And yes, if it isn't still there, it was at least once upon a time, in the rules as a No-No.

Once into a models room and she was balling her eyes out because she had many tokens taken from her because the credit card used to purchase the tokens was determined to be stolen. She was using the sympathy card to try to get the tokens back. A little turned off by that. This is just a risk of doing business. Any credit card based business runs this risk. At my job, I can repossess the merchandise, but unfortunately you can't repossess a cum show that has been viewed. It sucks, but it comes with the territory.

If I had hundreds of dollars removed from my upcoming paycheck when I personally did absolutely nothing wrong, hell, I'd probably cry too. That feeling just sucks major ass, and I don't blame her a bit for being sad about it. On another site I worked on briefly, I had $ taken from me due to a charge back for a few private shows that I had done for a guy. Regardless of if his CC was fraudulent, I still worked my ass off in the shows, but didn't get to see a penny of payment for it. It's a very helpless feeling.

 

[Ataboy]

I could be wrong: But wasn't it...once upon a time...against the rules to use this "sob story" marketing? I thought I read somewhere that models weren't allowed to ask for tokens for anything other than to perform or for something camming related such as a new cam or new toys? I think the rules guide may have used an example of asking for rent money or money to help with kids care? I could be wrong..but I specifically remember something to this effect.

The example was something about using "my mother is sick in the hospital and I don't have money for her medicine" or something like that. And yes, if it isn't still there, it was at least once upon a time, in the rules as a No-No.

Once into a models room and she was balling her eyes out because she had many tokens taken from her because the credit card used to purchase the tokens was determined to be stolen. She was using the sympathy card to try to get the tokens back. A little turned off by that. This is just a risk of doing business. Any credit card based business runs this risk. At my job, I can repossess the merchandise, but unfortunately you can't repossess a cum show that has been viewed. It sucks, but it comes with the territory.

If I had hundreds of dollars removed from my upcoming paycheck when I personally did absolutely nothing wrong, hell, I'd probably cry too. That feeling just sucks major ass, and I don't blame her a bit for being sad about it. On another site I worked on briefly, I had $ taken from me due to a charge back for a few private shows that I had done for a guy. Regardless of if his CC was fraudulent, I still worked my ass off in the shows, but didn't get to see a penny of payment for it. It's a very helpless feeling.

Yes...She had every right in the world to be upset. Hell..I get upset when it happens in my business too. But, in keeping with this thread, and which many of you have all agreed with already, it shouldn't have been brought to cam. To me, that would fall under the scope of what you described as a "no no". I had to repossess a hot tub once. All they wanted to know that since it was used that the price was lower. They didn't care that I was trying to recoup losses.

 

[GoddessAiren]

Sounds like someone got burned.

 

[LucyGoodtimes]

well now i feel kinda poopy cause in my very early days of camming, my status was "x amount of tokens to pay my mom back." Dumb sob story. But on the flip side, it worked, so althought it's terribly unfortunate some models consistent business model is based in pity, the fact that so many members feed into it encourages their "bad behavior" :twocents-02cents:

the way i look at it, members come to MFC to be lost in some sort of fantasy, and the damsel in distress is certainly one of them.

i think the solution comes from both sides: models need to remember that although this career can be endlessly challenging and frustrating, its one of the most enjoyable and cool occupations i can think of, and that many members don't have such enjoyable and rewarding ways of making money, so we should be sensitive to that. On the other side, members need to remember that camming isn't always a steady and reliable source of income, and leaving our worries at the door, so to speak, can be challenging.

Also, I read some study recently that humans can only see a certain number (around 200) of other humans as people with stories and emotions and forgivable faults, aka "us" and everyone else is "them." Try as I might to remember details on everyone who tips me and chats with me, if you don't have a consistent presence my room, without spending time with you in person, remembering that tjwo5443 is also from NY, or bigdik4u is named bob and bigdick4u2 is named bill, is really difficult! So maybe the cold shoulder isn't intentional!!

 

[muh!]

Also, I read some study recently that humans can only see a certain number (around 200) of other humans as people with stories and emotions and forgivable faults, aka "us" and everyone else is "them."

Dunbar's number :thumbleft:

 

[tubby556]

Sounds like someone got burned.

Nope, not burned. Just saw a lot of it recently and had to vent.

 

[Ataboy]

Sounds like someone got burned.

Nope, not burned. Just saw a lot of it recently and had to vent.

She was talking about me. I made a comparison of a model getting burned due to credit card fraud to myself getting burned for the same reason in my business. She felt the need to throw that in there. Don't worry man...it was directed at me.

I too have seen a lot of it. It used to be against the rules to do such things, but now that rule is no longer there.

 

[Jupiter551]

Following in the vein of sob story peddlers on the member's side, the most insulting and gear grinding of them all has to be the playing of the military card. The majority of these soldiers on the battlefield of free wank fodder I very much doubt have ever even participated in a fitness boot camp let alone half an hour of military service, and if they have, well shame on them for making a mockery of 'support our troops'. For them to think they are entitled to free skypes, pic sets, custom videos, video packages etc etc etc because they 'claim' to be fighting a war just makes me rage! :angry4:


Ha, I remember a few years ago I was chatting with a 'soldier' and he was spinning his yarn about his heroics, when I said it was time for me to log off. He asked when I would return and I said 'about 22.30, UK time'. LOL he asked what time that was because he "didn't know that way", meaning the 24 hour clock. :lol:

Lol I didnt realise they played that card so much...I think the only time I saw was the day Osama was killed I saw a dude say "get your tits out if you support our troops and are glad osama is dead" lol

 

[GoddessAiren]

Sounds like someone got burned.

Nope, not burned. Just saw a lot of it recently and had to vent.

She was talking about me. I made a comparison of a model getting burned due to credit card fraud to myself getting burned for the same reason in my business. She felt the need to throw that in there. Don't worry man...it was directed at me.

I too have seen a lot of it. It used to be against the rules to do such things, but now that rule is no longer there.

Nope, I was talking to tubby. And I wasn't trying to be rude or make it worse, just sounded like you were personally affected by what you described and therefore were super pissed about it.

 

[JickyJuly]

I think it's less about what is put out there and more about HOW it's put out there. Some girls can turn a public cum show into a sob story. I have a tendency to log in, lose track of token flow and leave whenever I get bored. This hideous business practice occasionally means that at the end of the month, things are not where they need to be. On the last day of a terrible paycheck, I totally tack on "5000 tokens short" (or whatever you know) to the end of my room topic. I don't dwell on it. I don't mention it out loud, but it's there. I think it reminds the people that have been hanging out previously without tipping that time is running out. Sometimes because of the nature of camming, it's easy to forget that the girl on the screen isn't always there for mad money. Most of us have bills the same way most dudes on MFC have bills.

IDK. Finances are never the classiest thing to put out there, but it's not necessarily sob story level either. Our job is kind of intimate. It's easy to share and overshare. The line is blurry.

 

[Anonymous]

What does bother me, is to take the same list (or very similar) and apply it to the members (some of them, anyway). I can't tip you because _______. Those are the finances I don't care about. It's bad enough to see the members becoming attention whores through tipping or ridiculous emotes, but I really hate the non-tipping attention whores...for whatever the reason. :twocents-02cents:

I'm glad you brought this up. :thumbleft:

The members who are making requests ("Can you take off your bra?," etc.) but will not tip: :hand:


"Sorry, I wish I could, but I don't get paid again 'til next week."

"I wish I could, but I just gave all my tokens to another model just now."

"Well I gotta see what I'm paying for first. Lemme get a sample." :lol:

etc...

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Sometimes, some members like to see models as humans.

Sometimes they like to know they're making a difference in their lives.


For this reason,I have little qualms about putting up token goal to help me move house.

Now I'm always prepared to work for it, offer discounts ..do shows - whatever. But I think it's perfectly reasonable that I did that. And because they gave me such an amazing month as my housewarming present to my guys i gave everyone aspecial free video.

I've found they like to KNOW where the money is going. To know why I need 'x' amount of tokens. While obviously total sob stories, or fraudulent ones are BAD I don't think there's anything wrong with letting people know "hey I'm short on rent - all tokens will be going towards helping me pay it! Vids are half price till rent is made! Thank you for any help you can give"