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AmberCutie said:
On another site I worked on briefly, I had $ taken from me due to a charge back for a few private shows that I had done for a guy. Regardless of if his CC was fraudulent, I still worked my ass off in the shows, but didn't get to see a penny of payment for it. It's a very helpless feeling.




Yes, it's a terrible feeling. I once had 1,000 tokens taken away from me on MFC (all from one guy), and MFC claimed it was due to credit card fraud and that they banned the user name. I was pissed off, because that's $50 right there earned from a private show and public chat tips. And that guy had received e-mailed pictures from me.
 
Miss_Lollipop said:
Sometimes, some members like to see models as humans.

Sometimes they like to know they're making a difference in their lives.
I think I recently posted in another thread about how some members ARE on the site to enjoy THIS type of interaction with a pretty lady. We've seen a large influx lately of random members complaining about the different ways that models make money on MFC, and the different routes models take to either entertain the masses, or indulge a single member. So much speculation and snootyness running amock for no reason.

Also, welcome back to the forum, tubby, you've made quite the dramatic re-entrance. As Frankie said, you don't sound like the beloved tubby we used to know.
 
Whenever I do "2000 tokens until I make rent" or whatever, it's not a sob story for me. Yeah, if it was the 27th of the month and I was all like "waaaaah my best friends, I'm so broke and I'm going to be late on my rent :crybaby:" then that's a different story. But starting a bill countdown at the beginning of the month doesn't seem negative to me. For the most part it's just so I can keep on track.
 
I thought this was some necro'd thread which is why I didn't open it until now, but I completely agree with Tubby on this. Just like models don't want to hear why members can't tip... most members don't want to hear what bill they're paying for models. Members like to feel like they're a little more than a wallet paying your bills. It's just bad business all around and would suggest models keep the real reason for their goals to themselves, unless it's charity or something similarly positive. Most members have plenty of bills of their own and patronize sites like MFC for reasons other than paying someone else's bills. I can understand the occasional unexpected emergency situation, but advertising goals for rent or electric bills is a major turn off to a lot of us and just reminds us of our own bills that need paying.

We all work to pay our bills... but we all don't advertise it to everyone. Restaurants don't advertise tonight's menu is going to help pay our electric bill, etc.

:twocents-02cents:
 
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JickyJuly said:
IDK. Finances are never the classiest thing to put out there, but it's not necessarily sob story level either. Our job is kind of intimate. It's easy to share and overshare. The line is blurry.

Agreed. It's not something that bothers me personally. Camming is a job, ya know? Tips and tokens make up a wage for a cam girl, and unless you're all living way off in some magical mansion somewhere and don't ever have to pay for anything, I'm guessing your wages go on things no more glamorous than what mine do - bills and groceries and shit (not literal shit :?).
But I can see why a member wouldn't like to be told explicitly that any tokens they throw your way that night are gonna be spent on an emergency plumbing bill (or whatever). I think a lot of members (myself included, to be fair) like to think of tips as gifts. If someone gives you a gift of some money in a card for your birthday then they don't necessarily need to know what you bought with that money, but probably wouldn't be filled with warm fuzzies if they were told it was used to buy toilet roll and stamps. :twocents-02cents:
That said, every member's different, and as Miss Lollipop pointed out, her regulars DO like to be told where their tokens are going.
 
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Yeah... I think it's all about how it's handled from both directions. Making requests and then giving a story as to why you can't tip isn't cool for a premium. Making everything too token centered rather than show centered is typically not the best idea for the model. I'm guilty of bringing up my financials when things are tough. I try to keep it in PMs to model friends as an explanation of why I'm not tipping (aka it's not that I'm not enjoying my time there). I'm sure I've failed in doing so a few times. Luckily I don't seem to have been judged for that yet. We're all going to have good times and bad times. I think getting too pissy about it from either perspective is a little hypocritical because unless some of you are heirs to a vast fortune the shoe has likely been on the other foot at some point.

In closing, I leave you with this cover of a song I'm sure most of you are familiar with.

 
Hmm. Fine line being walked here. Whether anyone wants to hear it or not, here's my :twocents-02cents:


While I don't particularly care for a topic centered on making rent, etc., for those models that I have some sort of online relationship (I won't use the "friend" word) with, knowing that they are experiencing some sort of difficulty would make a difference. Now, if it's standard operating procedure to whine about it, then, OK, that's the schtick, next model.

I've been known to tip more than I ordinarily would because of circumstances that I somehow found out about other than topic.

@Evvie, while I understand what you're saying, those kinds of topics, including the "help me reach my goal of XXX tokens" are kind of offputting to me.

Now, totally off topic, random and irrelevant: If someone says "penny for your thoughts" and you give your two cents are you not in essence paying them to listen to your opinion?
 
It does turn me off when all a model ever does is discuss her finances and give sob stories. I also am not a huge fan of girls asking for handouts for nothing. But, that's their schtick and it obviously works or they wouldn't do it.

However I don't think there's anything wrong with offering a deal of some sort and explaining why: for example, as Miss Lolli said, "Vids are half price till rent is made! Thank you for any help you can give." I think this is pretty much a win/win...the members are helping the model out, and they are getting a deal. If a member has been pondering a video purchase from that model, they know it's an opportune time to make that purchase. Or if they just feel like helping her out because they like her as a person, they get some content as a bonus. I've never personally done anything like this, but I don't see how that could be annoying, unless the model does it all the time.
 
^^ Exactly. I hope nobody took offense because I wasn't directing my previous reply at anyone in particular. In a general sense, methinks the more personal details are far better left to members and models that have a genuine concern for each other. If a model is in a tight spot for whatever reason, there are ways to advertise like Miss Lolli said, "Vids are half price till rent is made! Thank you for any help you can give."
 
A certain high ranking Rommie model is frequently heard and seen saying how much she needs for whatever. It has little effect usually in chat but then she gets whoppers offline from her ....'backers'. One time tho it did have an immediate effect.... she said she was going clubbing and needed drinking money. Got ready on cam and by the time she left had pulled in around 10k in tokens. Nice way to decide how much you can put on the cc bill for a night. :lol:
 
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It's definitely a legit fetish. Maybe the guys who dig it get lots of power boners? :think:

These are all the highest rated clips in the "damsel in distress" category. Apparently it sells pretty stinkin well.
 

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Adrianna_ said:
Few days ago, I heard a model with around 20000 camscore, almost every month in top 100 and very often in top 20 to tell her regulars, that she can't afford to go in London for the olympics, because plane tickets are very expencive. She got showered with thousands in minutes (like every day btw) and consoled about how hard her life is. I bet she drives a Benz and has at least 3 Chanel bags, while some of her members will probably pay the loan they took to tip her till the rest of their miserable life. I just hope there is karma.
:twocents-02cents:

This is sort of wrong, I think. I don't know this girl or how she runs her room and maybe she did get lots of tokens for days and days, but behind the scenes you have no idea what her financial situation is. She could have kids to feed, elderly parents to take care of, bills, mortgages, car payments, student loan debt. Her life could actually be hard and the people showering her with countless tokens might know it or they could just really want to shower her with tokens. You don't really know what her situation is.
Adrianna_ said:
I just hope there is karma.

This just strikes me as all sorts of rudeness.
 
AllisonWilder said:
Adrianna_ said:
Few days ago, I heard a model with around 20000 camscore, almost every month in top 100 and very often in top 20 to tell her regulars, that she can't afford to go in London for the olympics, because plane tickets are very expencive. She got showered with thousands in minutes (like every day btw) and consoled about how hard her life is. I bet she drives a Benz and has at least 3 Chanel bags, while some of her members will probably pay the loan they took to tip her till the rest of their miserable life. I just hope there is karma.
:twocents-02cents:

This is sort of wrong, I think. I don't know this girl or how she runs her room and maybe she did get lots of tokens for days and days, but behind the scenes you have no idea what her financial situation is. She could have kids to feed, elderly parents to take care of, bills, mortgages, car payments, student loan debt. Her life could actually be hard and the people showering her with countless tokens might know it or they could just really want to shower her with tokens. You don't really know what her situation is.
Adrianna_ said:
I just hope there is karma.

This just strikes me as all sorts of rudeness.

PATD

I can't afford going to London for the Olympics either :crybaby:

Who will tip me so I can go?
 
LucyGoodtimes said:
the way i look at it, members come to MFC to be lost in some sort of fantasy,

There is a fantasy aspect to it, yes. Though I venture to say that, in most cases, the fantasies are more played out in private than anywhere else.

I was at a model's house last summer for her husband's birthday party. We knew each other from a supposed dating site with webcams from long before she was a model (and all the people at the party were from the so called dating site, I was the only MFC member there that I knew of). And we were mentioning another girl we knew from that site who is also a model. And how her boyfriend would get upset if she took privates and such.

The model brought up that she and I have gone private, and her husband knew about it and didn't care. And I was like, yep, but it's all just a fantasy there. I know her, I know her husband. And I would never try to do anything with her outside of MFC, because of that.

But that's the fantasy. Members get to see the girls they find attractive at least pretend to be more interested in them in a sexual way than is most likely ever going to happen in real life. They get to see things that the model would never just out and out do for them if they ever were to bump into each other on the street, etc. They get to imagine and say things that they wouldn't do in the bumping in to them on the street scenario.

This doesn't mean that friendships can't occur, though. Maybe not in the same way you have friendships offline, but there can be an aspect of friendship that comes about. It's just more a friendship where one or both parties get to see each other naked. :p

Members and models just need to know how far the friendship goes. And they have to admit to themselves that certain things are simply most likely to never happen. Just because a model may actually give a member her number, or actually want to meet them doesn't mean they also want to jump the member's bones the moment they meet. It might just mean they find the member fun to talk to and wouldn't mind hanging out if they were in the same area at the same time.

It's a dangerously fine line in that respect. For both members and models. Getting too emotionally attached, on either side, is dangerous. I know a lot of people just assume that it's members who can take fantasies too far in their minds, but it can happen to models, as well. While there can be fun times had and friendships made, a certain level of emotional detachment is required on both sides.

That might be a little off topic.

Back on topic... I'm sure we all know that everyone can have financial issues. Happens to all of us. But models don't want to hear about members' not having money, and members don't want to hear about models' problems.

There needs to be a medium reached.

As members, we need to understand that this is a job for the models. For those who make this their only source of income, it's how they pay their bills. So, when we're short on MFC money, we need to not be all "get naked bb" when hanging out in rooms. Just try to be funny, and add to a conversation. Especially when in a room where you are a regular. Just remember to throw something to those models when we can.

Models need to remember that the money given to them comes out of members' paychecks. And that members will not always have extra money to tip/group/private. Again, this is more for regulars who don't beg/demand and do tip/group/private when they can; over the horde of $20 basics who show up with their premium name and never tip/group/private but beg and demand all sorts of things. Models just need to know who they want in their rooms, whether they can tip or not, and who they only care about when they tip.
 
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Adrianna_ said:
Few days ago, I heard a model with around 20000 camscore, almost every month in top 100 and very often in top 20 to tell her regulars, that she can't afford to go in London for the olympics, because plane tickets are very expencive. She got showered with thousands in minutes (like every day btw) and consoled about how hard her life is. I bet she drives a Benz and has at least 3 Chanel bags, while some of her members will probably pay the loan they took to tip her till the rest of their miserable life. I just hope there is karma.
:twocents-02cents:

This is sort of wrong, I think. I don't know this girl or how she runs her room and maybe she did get lots of tokens for days and days, but behind the scenes you have no idea what her financial situation is. She could have kids to feed, elderly parents to take care of, bills, mortgages, car payments, student loan debt. Her life could actually be hard and the people showering her with countless tokens might know it or they could just really want to shower her with tokens. You don't really know what her situation is.
Adrianna_ said:
I just hope there is karma.

This just strikes me as all sorts of rudeness.

However, let's remember, being able to go to the Olympics is not what one would consider a necessity in life. If the "sob story" was "I can't afford a plane ticket to go to the Olympics in London this year," I wouldn't give two shits about that. I'm not going, either. Should I try and get other people to help me go?

Taking a vacation isn't the same thing as dealing with every day finances. I have a vacation planned for Labor Day Weekend. I'm putting money aside for it. I need $500 for my share of the hotel, I need to buy the plane tickets and I'll need money for food and such while there. But, I know roughly how much I need, so I am putting money aside for it. And I'm planning on working mad amounts of overtime over the next few months to ensure I have the money put aside (at least 10 hours a week). It just also means I have less money for other non-essentials, like MFC money and getting a new Xbox 360 for my video game reviews (mine decided to die). Like everyone else, I have my own financial issues to deal with (bills, gas, etc.); but I don't have the ability to say "I really wish I could afford X" and have people throw money at me.

About the best I can get is if friends want me to go out one weekend and if I'm too broke, they'll spot me some drinks. But I do the same for them when I can, too. Which brings up the question: Is that model going to help out the people who helped her if they really want to buy something? I think we all know the answer is most likely no.

And we also have to remember, if one is constantly in the top 100 then she is probably doing OK for herself-- as long as she isn't trying to live beyond her means. And if she does make it into the top 20, often, then it's a definite that she is doing well for herself, just from camming.

We all have bills to pay. We all have things we'd like to get or do. We all have to work our finances to do it. We all have to accept what we can and can't afford. I can't just up and decide to buy a new $80k car, no matter how much I might want it. I'd be living out of it, until it got repoed because even living out of it I couldn't afford it.
 
UncleThursday said:
AllisonWilder said:
Adrianna_ said:
Few days ago, I heard a model with around 20000 camscore, almost every month in top 100 and very often in top 20 to tell her regulars, that she can't afford to go in London for the olympics, because plane tickets are very expencive. She got showered with thousands in minutes (like every day btw) and consoled about how hard her life is. I bet she drives a Benz and has at least 3 Chanel bags, while some of her members will probably pay the loan they took to tip her till the rest of their miserable life. I just hope there is karma.
:twocents-02cents:

This is sort of wrong, I think. I don't know this girl or how she runs her room and maybe she did get lots of tokens for days and days, but behind the scenes you have no idea what her financial situation is. She could have kids to feed, elderly parents to take care of, bills, mortgages, car payments, student loan debt. Her life could actually be hard and the people showering her with countless tokens might know it or they could just really want to shower her with tokens. You don't really know what her situation is.
Adrianna_ said:
I just hope there is karma.

This just strikes me as all sorts of rudeness.

However, let's remember, being able to go to the Olympics is not what one would consider a necessity in life. If the "sob story" was "I can't afford a plane ticket to go to the Olympics in London this year," I wouldn't give two shits about that. I'm not going, either. Should I try and get other people to help me go?

Taking a vacation isn't the same thing as dealing with every day finances. I have a vacation planned for Labor Day Weekend. I'm putting money aside for it. I need $500 for my share of the hotel, I need to buy the plane tickets and I'll need money for food and such while there. But, I know roughly how much I need, so I am putting money aside for it. And I'm planning on working mad amounts of overtime over the next few months to ensure I have the money put aside (at least 10 hours a week). It just also means I have less money for other non-essentials, like MFC money and getting a new Xbox 360 for my video game reviews (mine decided to die). Like everyone else, I have my own financial issues to deal with (bills, gas, etc.); but I don't have the ability to say "I really wish I could afford X" and have people throw money at me.

About the best I can get is if friends want me to go out one weekend and if I'm too broke, they'll spot me some drinks. But I do the same for them when I can, too. Which brings up the question: Is that model going to help out the people who helped her if they really want to buy something? I think we all know the answer is most likely no.

And we also have to remember, if one is constantly in the top 100 then she is probably doing OK for herself-- as long as she isn't trying to live beyond her means. And if she does make it into the top 20, often, then it's a definite that she is doing well for herself, just from camming.

We all have bills to pay. We all have things we'd like to get or do. We all have to work our finances to do it. We all have to accept what we can and can't afford. I can't just up and decide to buy a new $80k car, no matter how much I might want it. I'd be living out of it, until it got repoed because even living out of it I couldn't afford it.

I know what you mean, but I guess I was trying to say was more along the lines of just because a model hits the top 100 frequently, it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't need the money. I just thought the "I just hope there is karma" statement was really rude. As camgirls, we shouldn't be condemning other camgirls that way. Maybe I'm way off-base here, but that's just my :twocents-02cents: .

(For the record, I'm nowhere near a top 100 model, so I'm not trying to be all preachy or butthurt here.)
 
Bocefish said:
AllisonWilder said:
Adrianna_ said:
Few days ago, I heard a model with around 20000 camscore, almost every month in top 100 and very often in top 20 to tell her regulars, that she can't afford to go in London for the olympics, because plane tickets are very expencive. She got showered with thousands in minutes (like every day btw) and consoled about how hard her life is. I bet she drives a Benz and has at least 3 Chanel bags, while some of her members will probably pay the loan they took to tip her till the rest of their miserable life. I just hope there is karma.
:twocents-02cents:

This is sort of wrong, I think. I don't know this girl or how she runs her room and maybe she did get lots of tokens for days and days, but behind the scenes you have no idea what her financial situation is. She could have kids to feed, elderly parents to take care of, bills, mortgages, car payments, student loan debt. Her life could actually be hard and the people showering her with countless tokens might know it or they could just really want to shower her with tokens. You don't really know what her situation is.
Adrianna_ said:
I just hope there is karma.

This just strikes me as all sorts of rudeness.

PATD

I can't afford going to London for the Olympics either :crybaby:

Who will tip me so I can go?

When I was in little league and it was time to travel for the regionals, we sold everything from candy bars to magazines to light bulbs as a fundraiser. The costs for the Olympic athletes for training and travel are astronomical. Has anyone considered that maybe...just maybe...she is an athlete looking for sponsorship money?

No...? Me either! Like I said in a previous post: Don't ask me for help to fix your Mercedes when I need help with my Mazda.

If she was an athlete...would make for a hell of a gold medal winning acceptance speech though: "Thank you Ataboy...mi dildo in mi pussy and your tokens..allow mi to throw discuss very far for mi country" Sorry...it was rude of me to suspect that she was from an eastern European country...OOPS!
 
AllisonWilder said:
I know what you mean, but I guess I was trying to say was more along the lines of just because a model hits the top 100 frequently, it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't need the money. I just thought the "I just hope there is karma" statement was really rude. As camgirls, we shouldn't be condemning other camgirls that way. Maybe I'm way off-base here, but that's just my :twocents-02cents: .

(For the record, I'm nowhere near a top 100 model, so I'm not trying to be all preachy or butthurt here.)

You're right that it doesn't necessarily mean she won't need money. But in this particular instance, asking for tips so she could go to the Olympics, it's a ludicrous "sob story."

And, in this instance, where would it stop? Then asking for hotel money and then spending money?

The problem with anyone, is that if they can ask for outrageous non-essential things and get them from others, then they get to the point where when they want something, they EXPECT someone else to get it for them. And then they get all pissy if it doesn't happen. They lose any sense of working towards what they want for themselves, because others keep getting them what they want.

I'm just pointing out that this type of "sob story" is asinine, and should not be placated to by anyone. Members or models. I'd personally be like :violin: to that kind of "sob story."
 
Ataboy said:
Bocefish said:
AllisonWilder said:
Adrianna_ said:
Few days ago, I heard a model with around 20000 camscore, almost every month in top 100 and very often in top 20 to tell her regulars, that she can't afford to go in London for the olympics, because plane tickets are very expencive. She got showered with thousands in minutes (like every day btw) and consoled about how hard her life is. I bet she drives a Benz and has at least 3 Chanel bags, while some of her members will probably pay the loan they took to tip her till the rest of their miserable life. I just hope there is karma.
:twocents-02cents:

This is sort of wrong, I think. I don't know this girl or how she runs her room and maybe she did get lots of tokens for days and days, but behind the scenes you have no idea what her financial situation is. She could have kids to feed, elderly parents to take care of, bills, mortgages, car payments, student loan debt. Her life could actually be hard and the people showering her with countless tokens might know it or they could just really want to shower her with tokens. You don't really know what her situation is.
Adrianna_ said:
I just hope there is karma.

This just strikes me as all sorts of rudeness.

PATD

I can't afford going to London for the Olympics either :crybaby:

Who will tip me so I can go?

When I was in little league and it was time to travel for the regionals, we sold everything from candy bars to magazines to light bulbs as a fundraiser. The costs for the Olympic athletes for training and travel are astronomical. Has anyone considered that maybe...just maybe...she is an athlete looking for sponsorship money?

No...? Me either! Like I said in a previous post: Don't ask me for help to fix your Mercedes when I need help with my Mazda.

If she was an athlete...would make for a hell of a gold medal winning acceptance speech though: "Thank you Ataboy...mi dildo in mi pussy and your tokens..allow mi to throw discuss very far for mi country" Sorry...it was rude of me to suspect that she was from an eastern European country...OOPS!

I completely understand, but I wasn't referencing the Olympics statement. I was targeting the "well she's a top model, so she doesn't need the money" sentiment. Just because you're a top model doesn't mean you're rich, by any means.
 
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UncleThursday said:
AllisonWilder said:
I know what you mean, but I guess I was trying to say was more along the lines of just because a model hits the top 100 frequently, it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't need the money. I just thought the "I just hope there is karma" statement was really rude. As camgirls, we shouldn't be condemning other camgirls that way. Maybe I'm way off-base here, but that's just my :twocents-02cents: .

(For the record, I'm nowhere near a top 100 model, so I'm not trying to be all preachy or butthurt here.)

You're right that it doesn't necessarily mean she won't need money. But in this particular instance, asking for tips so she could go to the Olympics, it's a ludicrous "sob story."

And, in this instance, where would it stop? Then asking for hotel money and then spending money?

The problem with anyone, is that if they can ask for outrageous non-essential things and get them from others, then they get to the point where when they want something, they EXPECT someone else to get it for them. And then they get all pissy if it doesn't happen. They lose any sense of working towards what they want for themselves, because others keep getting them what they want.

I'm just pointing out that this type of "sob story" is asinine, and should not be placated to by anyone. Members or models. I'd personally be like :violin: to that kind of "sob story."

Well, it sounds like she has regulars that just want to see her smile then. If that's her goal, that's her goal. Her fellas wanted to see her go, apparently, or they wouldn't have tipped her for it.

they can ask for outrageous non-essential things and get them from others

What, in your opinion, should a model ask for then? Nothing? She should be content to just hang out and chat and not be proactive about getting what she wants out of her work?
 
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AllisonWilder said:
I just thought the "I just hope there is karma" statement was really rude. As camgirls, we shouldn't be condemning other camgirls that way. Maybe I'm way off-base here, but that's just my :twocents-02cents: .

(For the record, I'm nowhere near a top 100 model, so I'm not trying to be all preachy or butthurt here.)




I don't think you're being butthurt at all. In fact, I thanked your post earlier because I agree with you that the "I just hope there is karma" comment was rude. Unless a model has done something fucked up (scam guys and find it amusing...spam other models' rooms...try to "steal" a model's tippers...hate on other models due to jealousy...etc.), there is no reason to make a comment like that.
 
The_Brown_Fox said:
AllisonWilder said:
I just thought the "I just hope there is karma" statement was really rude. As camgirls, we shouldn't be condemning other camgirls that way. Maybe I'm way off-base here, but that's just my :twocents-02cents: .

(For the record, I'm nowhere near a top 100 model, so I'm not trying to be all preachy or butthurt here.)




I don't think you're being butthurt at all. In fact, I thanked your post earlier because I agree with you that the "I just hope there is karma" comment was rude. Unless a model has done something fucked up (scam guys and find it amusing...spam other models' rooms...try to "steal" a model's tippers...hate on other models due to jealousy...etc.), there is no reason to make a comment like that.

Agree. Why would it bring the wrath of karma to be a high earner? If a camgirl is making bank, regardless of what her method is, people are enjoying the show. Period. Were we only allowed minimum wage, I suspect there would be a lot less of us sticking around. :lol: Either way, it's much more honest and endearing to just say "Wow. She's raking it in! I feel a bit jealous." than to pretend she's doing something with ill intent. Sheesh.
 
I see nothing wrong with her putting "help me get to the olympics" as her goal. It doesn't and SHOULDN'T have to be a 'charity case' to be a worthy goal. When I said in my post "members like to make a difference" i didn't necessarily mean "Members only tip models who have a genuine need" I meant.... that sometimes members like to donate towards things like vacations, spa time etc.

In the same way we'll get things purchased from our wishlists that are not 'needs' - they are gifts. Tips are GIFTS too.

I was overwhelmed when my guys donated to help me board my dogs for a vacation. I offered signed prints of me and my dogs, but I KNOW that the guys that helped were not doing it for the prints. They were doing it because they new I could use the vacation. Did I NEED it? Was it a necessity? No. But it made me happy, and i'm lucky to have a great group of guys who like to make me happy. I'm using myself as an example here because Its the easiest one I have to hand...

It's absolutely ridiculous to wish 'karma' upon a model who wants to go to the olympics and asks her guys to help. If she then DIDN'T use the money to go then maybe.. but why hate upon her for doing what works?


*bows out of this thread*
 
UncleThursday said:
As members, we need to understand that this is a job for the models. For those who make this their only source of income, it's how they pay their bills. So, when we're short on MFC money, we need to not be all "get naked bb" when hanging out in rooms. Just try to be funny, and add to a conversation. Especially when in a room where you are a regular. Just remember to throw something to those models when we can.

^So much this .... I can't tell you the number of guys I have seen discussing why they shouldn't have to tip anyone here ..... The attitudes frequently are along the lines of "I have been here this long, I have paid enough already etc" ... or the oft used "it says free cams" BS. Some of them are well recognized nics in many rooms as well as both lounges. Sadly, when someone attempts to support a girl or tipping in general with a rebuttal, they are usually pounded down by numerous others that are here strictly for the free shows. The 'free everything' in public chat shows seem to be perpetuating this mindset of a 'truly free live sex' mfc which in turn perpetuates the bloob beggars and demanding without tokens. It's no wonder girls are now essentially explaining what they need tokens for in hopes of jarring loose some tokens. :twocents-02cents:
 
AllisonWilder said:
I know what you mean, but I guess I was trying to say was more along the lines of just because a model hits the top 100 frequently, it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't need the money.
Well obviously this is a job, and one the one hand no matter how much money a model might make she still deserves to get paid for her work - but as I understand it, being in the top 100 reguarly amounts to pretty good income, well above the average, and presumably enough to not be in continual financial hardship.
 
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I totally agree with Lollipop. I find it ironic that some many people want to see the model as a "real" person, but when she is real we see backlash against it because it wasn't the real your looking for. Well- sometimes in life people really do go through major, shitty financial problems. Last month, I had an entire night dedicated to fixing the brakes no my car, which has gone out just a mere 4 days out from a majorly important trip I was taking. I needed to make more than normal that night, my entire show & vibe was different and if I would have come out with that for just no due cause, my regulars would have been like WTH, GemGems being weird today! Now, that said- I've only done it a few times, & like lollipop, I work for it. When I needed the extra token flow to fix my brakes- I worked my butt off for it. I worked twice as long, put on twice the shows, etc. I don't just sit there and bawl. But I am not going to hide shit like that from my members just because some people get offended knowing that I have shit to deal with too. I'm sorry if you don't find it kosher to talk about money, but I have to listen to stupid sob stories about why people can't tip, so they'll just freeload all the time instead. I think mentioning that hey my brakes went out, lets get this shit fixed is pretty fuckin' reasonable.

That said- the models who constantly do it to get "free" tokens without having to do anything, or just use the pity card constantly- also annoy the shit out of me. To me, it's more about being in genuine need vs doing it to have a good month that makes the difference between acceptable and not. I'm sorry but thats just me.
 
Jupiter551 said:
AllisonWilder said:
I know what you mean, but I guess I was trying to say was more along the lines of just because a model hits the top 100 frequently, it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't need the money.
Well obviously this is a job, and one the one hand no matter how much money a model might make she still deserves to get paid for her work - but as I understand it, being in the top 100 reguarly amounts to pretty good income, well above the average, and presumably enough to not be in continual financial hardship.

But we don't know each models financial situation so to presumably assume anything well you know the saying Doesn't one model have 4 kids and who knows what models support their sick parents, exes paying off cc debt or student loans etc. I think we all get into trouble when we judge or make assumptions about anything we don't know the full story about.

The four agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz

Always do your best

Don't take things personally

Don't make assumptions

Be impeccable with your word
 
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UncleThursday said:
AllisonWilder said:
I know what you mean, but I guess I was trying to say was more along the lines of just because a model hits the top 100 frequently, it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't need the money. I just thought the "I just hope there is karma" statement was really rude. As camgirls, we shouldn't be condemning other camgirls that way. Maybe I'm way off-base here, but that's just my :twocents-02cents: .

(For the record, I'm nowhere near a top 100 model, so I'm not trying to be all preachy or butthurt here.)

You're right that it doesn't necessarily mean she won't need money. But in this particular instance, asking for tips so she could go to the Olympics, it's a ludicrous "sob story."

And, in this instance, where would it stop? Then asking for hotel money and then spending money?

The problem with anyone, is that if they can ask for outrageous non-essential things and get them from others, then they get to the point where when they want something, they EXPECT someone else to get it for them. And then they get all pissy if it doesn't happen. They lose any sense of working towards what they want for themselves, because others keep getting them what they want.

I'm just pointing out that this type of "sob story" is asinine, and should not be placated to by anyone. Members or models. I'd personally be like :violin: to that kind of "sob story."

Well, it sounds like she has regulars that just want to see her smile then. If that's her goal, that's her goal. Her fellas wanted to see her go, apparently, or they wouldn't have tipped her for it.

Very posible, or the whole I want to go to the Olympics thing was a joke, too. Since I don't know which model, and most likely don't frequent her room, I couldn't say if it was a serious thing or not.

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AllisonWilder said:
[quote="UncleThursday"quote]they can ask for outrageous non-essential things and get them from others

What, in your opinion, should a model ask for then? Nothing? She should be content to just hang out and chat and not be proactive about getting what she wants out of her work?[/quote][/quote]

I didn't mention models, specifically. I'm talking about people in general who get things handed to them whenever they want them. Spoiled kids, spoiled rich kids especially. Gold diggers, male or female, with sugar daddies/mommas. Etc.

The people who grow accustomed to just having whatever they want given to them.

Those are the people with no sense of worth or value to money earned. Because they don't ever have to earn it. If they get into trouble, someone always bails them out of it. If they want something expensive, someone is always there to give it to them.

Most models have a sense of value in them. They know there's going to be good times and lean times. They hopefully save up for the lean times. I know one model who has 4 kids (never know it looking at her, though) and a mortgage to pay for... she just luckily only pays $500 a month on her mortgage where she lives. Her same house where I live would be 5x that per month, if not more. But, she knows the value of money. She works two sites to pay for her house and raise her kids, so she can be home when they get home from school, etc.

Don't just assume I meant only models when I said anyone. Hell, I'm sure if I had some sugar daddy (if I was gay or bi) or sugar momma willing to throw expensive shit at me, I'd probably lose the sense of value money has, too. It's human nature... why work for something when someone else is willing to just give you anything you want?
 
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Oddly enough there are plenty of models who will get right down to business with no questions asked. The OP must be well aware of these models so in making this complaint he shouldn't be surprised that people state that he's bitter. You know where to go for the action you demand. So you must be actively seeking out those who offend you just to feed your need to judge.

If you don't like the topic matter or how a model behaves then take a second and realize that's YOUR issue. You are trying to inflict your views on everyone else. It's just another attempt by a member to tell a model how she should handle her business. "Grrrrrr, when will these women learn that they are here to obey me!". Taking the stance of the guy who "has it all figured out" just makes you sadder.

Cam sites are a place where you can go and let your personality speak for itself. No one knows about your life's failures. It's a fresh slate for everyone. But so many guys just drag their misery into a model's world and then make it her fault that she didn't soothe and caress their unspoken wounds.

Get over yourself and appreciate that with a click of a button you can go look at naked women. I, for one, think that's pretty awesome.
 
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