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People generally don't like it when they call attention to a serious issue in their life and someone who really has no idea what it feels like, tries to make it seem like they do. I mean really, come on... have you, as a man, ever experienced something similar to what's shown on the video. Unless you've spent time in prison, I'm gonna say that you haven't. Think about what it must feel like to experience that without a camera recording everything. I'd be scared out of my fucking mind. Even with a camera recording, I'd be fucking terrified. But we, as men, have never truly experienced this feeling. We have never walked down a public street in the middle of the day and been afraid of being sexually assaulted. So when you talk about being groped at a bar as a comparable experience, you're making light of an issue that someone else takes very seriously. I've personally never been groped by a woman I didn't know or made to feel unsafe by a woman. But I think most women have been made to feel unsafe by men at some point in their life.
Do I know what it's like to be a woman? No, never claimed to. Do I know what it's like to be groped by someone I don't know? Yes. I also know what it's like to be grabbed and led into someplace by people I don't know. My comment about my experience wasn't to compare my situation to women's, nor to make light of what women go through. I made it to say that it crosses all boundaries and needs to be addressed as a whole, at the root level. I also very explicitly stated that I cringe at having been groped, and can only think that it's much worse for women for a whole slew of reasons that have been mentioned.
Here's my view on all of this: While this happens to women far more than men, it needs to be addressed as a whole. For everyone, regardless of gender. This is why laws need to be written, enacted and enforced in such a manner that everyone is treated and covered equally. Rape is rape, doesn't matter if it's against women, men or other gender. Look at child protection laws, they generally do not specify genders in the law because it should apply equally. So, why should such things be treated differently when people are adults?
In nearly every place I've worked at, workplace sexual misconduct rules are written in a way that anyone can make a report, for themselves or for others. Doesn't matter if it's a man or woman who's made another feel uncomfortable. Nor does it matter who it was directed at. It's intended to protect, and punish, equally. I cannot speak for if this has been handled in such a manner, as I personally do not know anyone who's either been subjected to such misconduct nor reprimanded for it. All I can say is that I'm hopeful that if such an incident were to occur, then the way it is handled is done equally. I don't care if it's man, woman or other. Nor do I care if it was someone who has an entry level job, or an executive. No special treatment. The person who did wrong is held accountable and whatever the punishment is, it's not deviated or lessened/worsened based on status level in the company or sex of the person.
Sexual harassment, assault, misconduct, rape, and anything of this nature is a terrible thing and needs to stop. There's never a reason for any of this to happen. IMO, the best way to address this is in a broad stroke and ensure that it doesn't happen to anyone. Man, woman, transgender or any other gender that someone identifies as. If these things are addressed exclusively to one, and not all. Then chances are another group will be targeted, and the cycle repeats itself.
I want to call this out too:
Unless you've spent time in prison
Why prison? Do you think cat calls, harassment, or rape is exclusively a male only aggression that occurs in prison? There are reports of men being raped by women. For a long time, it was scoffed at and made fun of which is why it rarely is reported. But, it does happen. Am I saying it occurs anywhere near as frequently as it does for women? No. Again, it is to say it does happen and needs to be addressed at the same time. Similar to being groped, I have been cat-called and have cringed at it. Even though it was a very small sampling of what happens to women, I don't like it. If I'm feeling it as a man, then I can only assume that for women it must be significantly worse.
Watch the end of the video again. The woman at the end of the video basically transitions the harassment from the men doing it to her doing it. She "rescued" the women who was walking away only to attempt to bring her back to her place. Or, did you turn a blind eye because you think it's okay since it was a woman who did it?
Again, laws need to be written, applied and enforced equally without special treatment or exemption. Thus why Lady Justice wears a blindfold and has a scale in her hand. But, I have a feeling that all of this is going to fall of deaf ears or people are going to make incorrect assumptions again.