Forever Basic

[DivSavel]

Usually I don't mute basics unless they're disrespectful. Also, if a friend suggests it and basics are being damn silent, then fine. Personally, I agree that it isn't much at all to get an account. I'm broke as hell and I bought an account because I was fucking tired of not being allowed to browse and chat because so many models block models from their rooms. xP

And I really do believe that if you care about the model as much as you say you do, saving a bit over time and buying tokens (or a giftcard to buy tokens or something) is a piece of cake. I had to browse models as a basic for a while because I wanted to browse models without being barred from rooms just because I'm a model too. 90% of the time I couldn't talk. I browsed, stopped and stayed with models I liked, that sort of stuff. Well, it didn't take long to find a girl having a bad day on cam. She was fantastic! Was keeping active and smiley even though everyone was begging and not helping her towards her shower show. That was when I decided I needed to start saving for a premium account. I say saving because sometimes I have absolutely nothing in the bank.

But, I bought my premium account and now am able to talk and buy tokens, help out, etc. If you spend enough time on MFC, get an account! Really, when you think about it logically, everyone is trying to make tokens. We're all happy to be here and enjoying our time, but this is income for models. So don't blame them if you get muted. I understand if you're broke, but personally I'd shell out $20 for a friend who's having a hard time of things. Even if it's money that's difficult to get a hold of.

So, that's my opinion. *shrug* But I'm not condemning anyone for not buying tokens. Basics can be lovable and awesome just like anyone else. I just think that getting a premium account is a lot less difficult than some people make it out to be. I've heard people claim they don't have the funds for tokens even though two minutes later they asked for my gamertag so we could play Borderlands together. Plus he continuously begged for me to view his cam so he could show me these "awesome new games" he bought. HE HAD A COLLECTOR'S EDITION OF FABLE 3. O_O I love the game but what the fuck I can't afford the $85 price tag and I have a premium account you dickbag.

 

[DivSavel]

I love that most models mute them >.>

I had one two days ago
"hi beautiful lady"
I said hi back
"u r the first model to speek 2 me"
Acknowledged his presence, went on with my night. Didn't notice he was in the room still. Bout 30 min later, I get a tip note from him "thanks 4 speaking 2 me. I bought tks 4 u"

It's not worth the hassle for the .03% of basics who do this for most models, but I gotta fight for all my tks

That's sweet c:
I've had a couple do that, but sometimes leaving them unmuted is a warzone.

OHMIGAWD especially when a basic backtalks a premium. You'd think armageddon had come with how quickly shit goes down.

Basic: boobs plz
Premi: Tip her, don't be cheap!
Basic: GO TO HELL FAGGOT WHO ASKED YOU
Premi: OH THATS IT WHERE IS MY BEATING STICK

 

[Leigh]

I used to allow basics to speak but now I mute them. Sure it means I often have a quiet room.

I found myself as a viewer that the fact that the premiums could interact with the models even if just to say a line or two was the reason I got a premium account. That wanting to be part of something, to join in, to interact is a natural human thing and so I think to leave it as a privilidge for the premiums means that if basics want it, they have to pay the 20 dollars. Many members just want conversation and if as a basic they can get it for free then they will see no need to pay.

Anyone who honestly is 'just checking the site out' to get a feel for it can do so as a guest whenever they want and then can decide to go premium or not.

The older and grouchier I am getting, I see basic as a way for members to try and get free stuff from models nice enough to talk to them. If they valued it, they'd pay for it.

 

[AmyLemon]

In doing profitability and target-market research on solo site development I spoke to a number of models who were surprised by how many "Basics" register for their sites. Many of us have basics and guests that have been there for our entire cam careers, and just because they don't invest in MFC doesn't mean they aren't active consumers of other types of sexy content on the internet.

Not upgrading to premium status isn't necessarily an indication of "cheapness" it might be a strong indication of fiscal responsibility, ie: "Why would I spend $20 for 3.33 minutes in private, 20 minutes in group, or a decent tip, when I can spend $24.99 and get unlimited access to hours of video and thousands of photos"

 

[AmberCutie]

Deleted lots of posts so this may not make sense now, but stating it anyway. I just don't like vbulletin, so we use phpbb. You can multi quote if you scroll below your unfinished post and click more if you must quote so many people.

the admin/mod control panel is easier and you can do a lot more with vbulletin. Even mass moving or deleting posts/threads is easier.

I'm the only admin/mod anyway, and deleting all that bullshit was pretty damn easy. In fact I just did all that in my sleep.

Now back on topic, and less troll feeding.

 

[Bocefish]

Another one of those delusional douche bag know it alls. I almost feel sorry for fucktards like that, almost.

 

[AmberCutie]

I don't feel sorry for them at all. I do feel sorry for all those people who get their posts deleted along with the BS when I do my mass deletions, though, but including myself, we shouldn't even reply to those things. And as he said he very well may spoof an IP and be back but whatever.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

I am going to make the mistake and respond. Clearly you both hate and have no respect for girls that use their looks as a way to make money, but yet you show up anyway. You put down every one that could pay, does pay, will pay as guys who have no chance with women in the real world but yet here you are. Or are you clearly knee deep in women and stopped having sex with all of them to make these posts to insult everyone on this site?

I am not angry- anticipating a "you mad?" response, just confused is all. Whats the difference between doing the act and watching someone do the act? You are no better than them but yet you are on your high horse acting self righteous about how these girls are an embarrassment to their family yet I wonder what your family would think of you that you're spending your precious time that you could be working hard or studying hard or making yourself a better citizen, on a website that has naked women and I am guessing touching yourself while watching them. What would your mother say to know her baby boy is masturbating to these women instead of going out and saving the world?

I still think its humorous that you think people have to pay for the attention from a girl. I for the very most part I just show up and try not to suck and I get as much attention as anyone else. Maybe if you weren't busy calling the women in this profession names and putting down their choices they would treat you differently? But we can paint broad strokes and generalize every cam girl as the absolute same, just as easily as can we paint a broad stroke and generalize every basic- it is just that easy.

So in recap if you hate everything that has to do with naked women getting off, why are you here?

*edited before I even posted to apologize if this post fed any trolls. I tried to keep this post as serious and respectful and on topic as possible. delete if you must, Amber.

 

[AmberCutie]

How did you manage to post that after everything was already gone and he's been banned? Did you have it open and worked on it for 2 hours or... lol.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

How did you manage to post that after everything was already gone and he's been banned? Did you have it open and worked on it for 2 hours or... lol.

He must be a wizard or something.

 

[Keltaric]

What would your mother say to know her baby boy is masturbating to these women instead of going out and saving the world?

I lol'd.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

How did you manage to post that after everything was already gone and he's been banned? Did you have it open and worked on it for 2 hours or... lol.

I have miserable ADD and also a horrible multi-tasker. wrote this while watching simpsons, community, perfect couple, the office, while tweeting, while perving on MFC, while looking up songs on youtube. And I am also a wizard.

 

[LadyLuna]

How did you manage to post that after everything was already gone and he's been banned? Did you have it open and worked on it for 2 hours or... lol.

I have miserable ADD and also a horrible multi-tasker. wrote this while watching simpsons, community, perfect couple, the office, while tweeting, while perving on MFC, while looking up songs on youtube. And I am also a wizard.

And people say women are good at multitasking...

*gazes in amazement at the elite multi=tasking wizard*
*bows to his awesomeness*

 

[LaLaLand_xD]

How did you manage to post that after everything was already gone and he's been banned? Did you have it open and worked on it for 2 hours or... lol.

I have miserable ADD and also a horrible multi-tasker. wrote this while watching simpsons, community, perfect couple, the office, while tweeting, while perving on MFC, while looking up songs on youtube. And I am also a wizard.

And people say women are good at multitasking...

*gazes in amazement at the elite multi=tasking wizard*
*bows to his awesomeness*

That's so sexy

 

[Bocefish]

For the noobs and...

 

[JickyJuly]

It seems like every time I forget the mute button, some basic ends up vomitting mysogyny all over the room, insulting whichever of my regulars I am showing the most attention to, asking others to tip (the nerve!) or narrating what they are doing on the other side of their screen (it's never pretty). My feeling is that if basics want to watch voiceless and looming in the shadows, cool hang out. If all I am to them is a chick to wank to, they don't really need the option of conversation anyway. It is okay to put more value on people who value you back. :brushteeth:

I also differentiate between the basic (who hasn't contributed to ANYONE) and the premium member who isn't tipping me, but is probably tipping other camgirls thus supporting the site and my "coworkers". Not everyone needs to tip me, but they should be tipping someone. Hehe.

 

[Zoomer]

I hate basics chatting...in a general sense - and the simple reason is this:

Basics generally talk filth. Not all, some are very nice and talk to ladies who would otherwise be staring at a blank screen...
Some basics even have conversations with the premiums to keep a girls chat alive without filling it with obscenities - so they're not all bad.

However, from observation, about 98% of basics just type "tits", "show me more", "i'm horny", "so hard", "ass" - especially if a show is starting/in progress.

The reason why I hate basics is that by this point their "chat" fills the screen fast, and makes it scroll. It's tough for the model to read what premiums are saying, and it's tough for the premiums to read what the rest are saying. It turns the chat screen from a mode of communication into a scrolling frenzy. During a show a model may not be that aware of it, but for the premiums it can be highly annoying. I don't know if premiums are less likely to tip when the window is filled with basics going on about what they're doing, but it sure does put me off tipping because I know I'll hear even more of it :angry7:

 

[Jupiter551]

I don't know if premiums are less likely to tip when the window is filled with basics going on about what they're doing, but it sure does put me off tipping because I know I'll hear even more of it :angry7:

Same here, I'd usually just leave

 

[JerMajesty]

I don't know if premiums are less likely to tip when the window is filled with basics going on about what they're doing, but it sure does put me off tipping because I know I'll hear even more of it :angry7:

Same here, I'd usually just leave

Often times *New Models / or stubborn ones let basics chat and to me thats just a waste of their time and earning potential. Like some of you said, it totally throws off some premiums and causes them to leave/not tip.


Basics do more harm than they can contribute , and stubborn models that let them roam free in chat and just take over , its kind of an insult to the paying members of the site.

 

[Crustyz]

Re: Forever Basic Confession

Sorry that I am a long time basic, but I don't cause trouble. The site is called "MyFreecams". I appreciate what you models do. I understand, having read through some of this forum, why you will call me a useless POS, but if the site wasn't free I wouldn't go there. I can afford it, I have a good income, but I choose not to pay, sorry. Maybe someday I will pay. Maybe MFC is a success because the free aspect is the loss leader and the system thrives because for every 10 visitors like me there is one that will pay, and that is a paying proposition. I can visit a casino and not gamble any money and take advantage of the cheap food and entertainment. Guess that makes me a cheap POS. But it wouldn't be good business for the Casino employees to be unwelcoming to me because I didn't lose alot of money there (unless I misbehaved, then I would be kicked out fast). I am part of the minority that takes advantage of free stuff. I totally agree that basics should shut up, but they are usually blocked anyways. I am so cheap that I can shoot my cum just watching Amber wave her ass around, have done that a few times, I didn't need to see her break the rules. But some of the rule breakers get my attention - I won't deny it, sorry. Its sort of what makes MFC the best, and I am glad you make some good $ from it. By the way, I am a reasonably good tipper in a restaurant, so what's up with that? I don't know.

Am I the only one infuriated by seeing this? :angry4:

 

[Mikeythegeek]

Re: Forever Basic Confession

Sorry that I am a long time basic, but I don't cause trouble. The site is called "MyFreecams". I appreciate what you models do. I understand, having read through some of this forum, why you will call me a useless POS, but if the site wasn't free I wouldn't go there. I can afford it, I have a good income, but I choose not to pay, sorry. Maybe someday I will pay. Maybe MFC is a success because the free aspect is the loss leader and the system thrives because for every 10 visitors like me there is one that will pay, and that is a paying proposition. I can visit a casino and not gamble any money and take advantage of the cheap food and entertainment. Guess that makes me a cheap POS. But it wouldn't be good business for the Casino employees to be unwelcoming to me because I didn't lose alot of money there (unless I misbehaved, then I would be kicked out fast). I am part of the minority that takes advantage of free stuff. I totally agree that basics should shut up, but they are usually blocked anyways. I am so cheap that I can shoot my cum just watching Amber wave her ass around, have done that a few times, I didn't need to see her break the rules. But some of the rule breakers get my attention - I won't deny it, sorry. Its sort of what makes MFC the best, and I am glad you make some good $ from it. By the way, I am a reasonably good tipper in a restaurant, so what's up with that? I don't know.

Am I the only one infuriated by seeing this? :angry4:

Maybe. I just found it more lulz-worthy because he was so delusional.

 

[Zoomer]

Re: Forever Basic Confession

Sorry that I am a long time basic, but I don't cause trouble. The site is called "MyFreecams". I appreciate what you models do. I understand, having read through some of this forum, why you will call me a useless POS, but if the site wasn't free I wouldn't go there. I can afford it, I have a good income, but I choose not to pay, sorry. Maybe someday I will pay. Maybe MFC is a success because the free aspect is the loss leader and the system thrives because for every 10 visitors like me there is one that will pay, and that is a paying proposition. I can visit a casino and not gamble any money and take advantage of the cheap food and entertainment. Guess that makes me a cheap POS. But it wouldn't be good business for the Casino employees to be unwelcoming to me because I didn't lose alot of money there (unless I misbehaved, then I would be kicked out fast). I am part of the minority that takes advantage of free stuff. I totally agree that basics should shut up, but they are usually blocked anyways. I am so cheap that I can shoot my cum just watching Amber wave her ass around, have done that a few times, I didn't need to see her break the rules. But some of the rule breakers get my attention - I won't deny it, sorry. Its sort of what makes MFC the best, and I am glad you make some good $ from it. By the way, I am a reasonably good tipper in a restaurant, so what's up with that? I don't know.

Am I the only one infuriated by seeing this? :angry4:

Law of averages. Making statistics up, but I'd imagine about 95% of basics and guests never register/go premium at all - and yes, essentially it is "free" if you show anything in public chat - for some at least - there's no way around it.

You can prevent such "freeloaders" by only showing in grp/pvt, but I don't know how difficult this is for a model. There are girls with camscores of 5000+ who've never show anything anywhere - Lorellay4u is an excellent example here. There seems to be a whole studio in Romania where the rule is "only show in grp/pvt", and some do very well too.

 

[bigguyrob]

How Many of You Allow Basics to Talk in Your Room?

First off, I want to say I am a basic (for financial reasons), and that I appreciate and thank every model who puts on shows in public chat and/or allows basics to talk. I realize that we are essentially freeloaders, and that many of us are hellishly rude and annoying, so I understand when models ban us from talking. Therefore, given how we do not represent a possible source of income nor are we (generally) good conversationalists, why do you let us talk?

In no way am I complaining, by the way. I truly appreciate it. :mrgreen:

 

[Keithy]

Re: How Many of You Allow Basics to Talk in Your Room?

I used to love that basics were afforded the ability to talk with the models and treated well. That's part of why I became a premium, that welcoming feeling. I don't see that too much any more.

 

[Sevrin]

Re: How Many of You Allow Basics to Talk in Your Room?

You might find this thread enlightening.

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2309

 

[bigguyrob]

Re: How Many of You Allow Basics to Talk in Your Room?

Thank you very much. Very interesting points of view, and I certainly can't take exception to any of them (besides those expressing entitlement).

 

[nerdguy]

Well, I was a basic until I finally found a job, I was unemployed for a year and a half, discovered MFC some time in the middle of it. So basically I was a basic for maybe 8 or 9 months, I didn't get on that often, unless maybe one or two models that I liked were on, and then it was only if they didn't mute basics at the time. But as in the thread that I recently started, just because you can talk to a model, it's not always appropriate to at a certain given time. It kinda goes with the whole power and responsibility notion.

 

[WickedTouch]

I used to love that basics were afforded the ability to talk with the models and treated well. That's part of why I became a premium, that welcoming feeling. I don't see that too much any more.

I don't know if premiums are less likely to tip when the window is filled with basics going on about what they're doing, but it sure does put me off tipping because I know I'll hear even more of it :angry7:

Same here, I'd usually just leave

Sorry that I am a long time basic, but I don't cause trouble. The site is called "MyFreecams". I appreciate what you models do. I understand, having read through some of this forum, why you will call me a useless POS, but if the site wasn't free I wouldn't go there. I can afford it, I have a good income, but I choose not to pay, sorry. Maybe someday I will pay. Maybe MFC is a success because the free aspect is the loss leader and the system thrives because for every 10 visitors like me there is one that will pay, and that is a paying proposition. I can visit a casino and not gamble any money and take advantage of the cheap food and entertainment. Guess that makes me a cheap POS. But it wouldn't be good business for the Casino employees to be unwelcoming to me because I didn't lose alot of money there (unless I misbehaved, then I would be kicked out fast). I am part of the minority that takes advantage of free stuff. I totally agree that basics should shut up, but they are usually blocked anyways. I am so cheap that I can shoot my cum just watching Amber wave her ass around, have done that a few times, I didn't need to see her break the rules. But some of the rule breakers get my attention - I won't deny it, sorry. Its sort of what makes MFC the best, and I am glad you make some good $ from it. By the way, I am a reasonably good tipper in a restaurant, so what's up with that? I don't know.

Am I the only one infuriated by seeing this? :angry4:

Law of averages. Making statistics up, but I'd imagine about 95% of basics and guests never register/go premium at all - and yes, essentially it is "free" if you show anything in public chat - for some at least - there's no way around it.

You can prevent such "freeloaders" by only showing in grp/pvt, but I don't know how difficult this is for a model. There are girls with camscores of 5000+ who've never show anything anywhere - Lorellay4u is an excellent example here. There seems to be a whole studio in Romania where the rule is "only show in grp/pvt", and some do very well too.

When I joined MFC about 16 months back I was technically unemployed, being between contracts for a couple of months. However, I just went on and created a premium account straight away after about 20 mins browsing the site as I thought it looked cool and offered a better atmos when compared to the sterility of places like LJ. I considered what being a premium on MFC had to offer and signed up. Being a basic for ages just didn't seem to make any sense to me and had no real appeal.

I have seen it change quite considerably in that time. There are some rooms where a model will allow guests and basics to interact freely alongside the premium members and everyone gets along, is respectful, polite and has a good time, but sadly, such rooms now seem to be in the minority. I know of one very good room off the top of my head, but that’s about it.

Many guests and basics, seemingly oblivious to their status, do not follow the etiquette of “tip before request”, blissfully unaware that they have no right to demand anything of anyone, as they are not capable of paying for that privilege in the first place. They thrive on the arrogance that just because the site has the word FREE in its title that they should expect it all for free. Secondly, the guests and basics who actively try to enlist the help of premiums in a room to get the model to do something also get me narked. Non-paying visitors have no right to do that either… period.

I am aware that there will be some basics and premiums who exist on low incomes and baulk at the idea of shelling out $20, but it’s a one off starter. Once you gain premium status, there are smaller token packages (up to 95 tokens) that can be purchased on the site, (ie the gift card eater) so missing a few beers that week can make it possible to afford something. Where there is a will there is a way after all. I am also inclined to agree that there are some guests/basics that tend to betray their age by the juvenile requests they make of models, which explains why they will always be just basics at best. A guest with a name and nothing more.

Now, we get to the other side of the coin… the freeloading premiums. The “can pay but won’t pay” and those that always expect a free show brigade, who really should shut up and ship out as they contribute nothing… either verbally or through tips. Why did they become premiums then? They behave just as bad and are as rude and obnoxious as the basics!

Recently this has gotten so bad in some rooms that I don’t visit them anymore. I know that I am not alone in that. One of the high ranking Asian models that I first visited had a fantastic room 5 months back, with everyone having a great time enjoying her shows. On a recent return after some two months away from her room, I found that none of the regulars I knew from back then visit her room now. The quality of the room atmos has fallen to a point where she now has to mute guests/basics pretty much all the time (unmuted it was just chaos… a troll filled warzone!) and ban out of control guys quite regularly. The lack of paying premiums and regulars reduced to a trickle and now swamped by a tidal wave of freeloaders, contributed so little for her, that her camscore fell close to 600 points in two months and has taken a while to recover.

I see this replicated in many rooms now… baying trolls and freeloaders who are basically thieves. The sort of guys who not only don’t tip a waitress for the service they received, but who will also actively dodge out the door without paying the bill for their coffee!

I had an idea that I mentioned in another thread about two months back… that alongside the chat mute function could exist a video blanking feature… if used, the guests and basics in the room would be given neither video nor audio, just a banner screen saying that they “need to pay if they wish to view.” I know that this is possible as LJ used to have such a feature a few years back, where a limit of about 4 or 5 mins video viewing time was automatically allowed, with guests being bumped to a sign up screen asking them to pay if they wished to see more when the limit was reached. Harsh you say? Hell yeah, as I know it can exclude the good with the bad, but it would help keep the trolls and ‘tards in line methinks!

I can't see any reason why anyone would remain a basic for a long time on the site... the advantages to being a premium far outweigh the disadvantages in my view.

P.S. Apologies for the length of post...

 

[Mikeythegeek]

Wicked, that's an excellent post and so damn true. It's as I've said before, the site name is a bit of a misnomer. The site is free until you want to see the good stuff (at least it should be). And how hard is it to spend 20 bucks? Really, how hard can it be? It takes a week to save that much money.

 

[schlmoe]

I had an idea that I mentioned in another thread about two months back… that alongside the chat mute function could exist a video blanking feature… if used, the guests and basics in the room would be given neither video nor audio, just a banner screen saying that they “need to pay if they wish to view.” I know that this is possible as LJ used to have such a feature a few years back, where a limit of about 4 or 5 mins video viewing time was automatically allowed, with guests being bumped to a sign up screen asking them to pay if they wished to see more when the limit was reached. Harsh you say? Hell yeah, as I know it can exclude the good with the bad, but it would help keep the trolls and ‘tards in line methinks!

I can't see any reason why anyone would remain a basic for a long time on the site... the advantages to being a premium far outweigh the disadvantages in my view.

I kind of like this idea. Another alternative could be after a certain amount of time (5 min?), a large watermark and/or scrolling banner goes over the video. Make it opaque enough that the feed can be viewed...but not enjoyed. That would be neat if the model could control who got blanked or not, a glimpse of what they're missing sort of thing.