Do they get Banned ?

[BlueEyezIrish]

When I send in the screen shot do these users get banned or temp suspended? I would hope so. Sending report now

 

[Marceline]

https://support.chaturbate.com/hc/en-us/articles/360048893591-Sell-Access-to-Your-Social-Media

Selling access to your social media accounts isn’t against CB’s TOS and seems to be even encouraged.

He didn't say anything about offsite payments, so I don’t see why he would be banned or suspended?

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

https://support.chaturbate.com/hc/en-us/articles/360048893591-Sell-Access-to-Your-Social-Media

Selling access to your social media accounts isn’t against CB’s TOS and seems to be even encouraged.

He didn't say anything about offsite payments, so I don’t see why he would be banned or suspended?

Oh that’s crazy cause I would assume he is violating the rules Thank You!

 

[Vixxen81]

Oh that’s crazy cause I would assume he is violating the rules Thank You!

What they can't do is tell you that they're tipping on you on Snap. That is a violation.

 

[Marceline]

Oh that’s crazy cause I would assume he is violating the rules Thank You!

I think with most sites, including CB, they just don’t want you talking about/doing anything that would involve a member using the site to arrange payments offsite. That’d basically mean the site would be losing money.

But, selling access to your socials is another way for the site to make money, so they’d be cool with that.

I could be wrong, but I think the only site that selling your social media handles on is a violation of TOS is Streamate.

 

[Vixxen81]

I think with most sites, including CB, they just don’t want you talking about/doing anything that would involve a member using the site to arrange payments offsite. That’d basically mean the site would be losing money.

But, selling access to your socials is another way for the site to make money, so they’d be cool with that.

I could be wrong, but I think the only site that selling your social media handles on is a violation of TOS is Streamate.

Stripchat, too. And Bonga.

 

[Marceline]

Stripchat, too. And Bonga.

Oh wow, I’m actually surprised about it being against SC’s TOS. I know on SM you can’t even talk about any sort of offsite communication, like not even email addresses or Twitter (ahem, X) handles without it leading to a ban. Is that how it is on SC too? Then again, you can apparently get banned on there for being “rude” or “mean” to members, so I shouldn’t be too surprised.

 

[MarieElise]

I could be wrong, but I think the only site that selling your social media handles on is a violation of TOS is Streamate.

Yes, it is not allowed to even be mentioned on SM, verbally or via writing in DMs. It will result in a warning, and after a couple of warnings, I think you get your broadcaster account closed. I've only had one warning though, so I'm not sure what happens past that point. Basically it goes 1) warnings, 2) temporary suspension, 3) account closure. However, there are certain things that go straight to account closure, much like CB, underage mentions/ other unverified people on stream etc

I don't think many people ever get their accounts reopened on SM either, once you are banned you are done. I think I saw it once (a model get their account back), after the ban had been in place for 2 years. But it's not something to count on.

Those are the "no tolerance rules." All cam models should be sure to acquaint themselves with them at a minimum.
And we would see less of these ban threads, here at this forum.

I know you, personally, already know this. I'm just repeating it for people who are cruising the forum and reading.
I feel like the more times I say it the better. Sucks losing a solid source of income.

 

[Vixxen81]

Oh wow, I’m actually surprised about it being against SC’s TOS. I know on SM you can’t even talk about any sort of offsite communication, like not even email addresses or Twitter (ahem, X) handles without it leading to a ban. Is that how it is on SC too? Then again, you can apparently get banned on there for being “rude” or “mean” to members, so I shouldn’t be too surprised.

I only know what their reps have posted here because I refuse to even give them a shot at holding my information and their weird subservient policies to the viewer. It was either Stella or Charlie that said or maybe they both did.

 

[Vixxen81]

Yes, it is not allowed to even be mentioned on SM, verbally or via writing in DMs. It will result in a warning, and after a couple of warnings, I think you get your broadcaster account closed. I've only had one warning though, so I'm not sure what happens past that point. Basically it goes 1) warnings, 2) temporary suspension, 3) account closure. However, there are certain things that go straight to account closure, much like CB, underage mentions/ other unverified people on stream etc

I don't think many people ever get their accounts reopened on SM either, once you arebanned you are done. I think I saw it once, after the ban had been in place for 2 years. But it's not something to count on.

Thos are the "no tolerance rules." All cam models should be sure to acquaint themselves with them at a minimum.
And we would see less of these ban threads, here at this forum.

I know you already know this. I'm just repeating it for people cruising the forum and reading.
I feel like the more times I say it the better. Sucks losing a solid source of income.

I'm about to make it my signature. LMAO

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

I think with most sites, including CB, they just don’t want you talking about/doing anything that would involve a member using the site to arrange payments offsite. That’d basically mean the site would be losing money.

But, selling access to your socials is another way for the site to make money, so they’d be cool with that.

I could be wrong, but I think the only site that selling your social media handles on is a violation of TOS is Streamate.

Ok that’s a huge game changer. Thank You I have blocked every single offer for a year.

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

What they can't do is tell you that they're tipping on you on Snap. That is a violation.

Thank You

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

Stripchat, too. And Bonga.

That’s good to know!!!

 

[Vixxen81]

Thank You

Here's how you play this card.

They tip and ask. You say yes and then point them to the part of your bio for social media where you've already set up the name and amount you want to be paid for a subscription.

Like so:


The things CB takes issue within these situations is a model openly advertising "hey check out my snap, hey buy my OF, hey follow me on Fansly" because then it looks like you're intentionally driving traffic there instead of having an extra cookie to hand out to people if they want a cookie. Just say that info is in your bio and move on and don't acknowledge another chat about it. Keep those things very separate. You'll be golden.

 

[Marceline]

Those are the "no tolerance rules." All cam models should be sure to acquaint themselves with them at a minimum.
And we would see less of these ban threads, here at this forum.

I know you, personally, already know this. I'm just repeating it for people who are cruising the forum and reading.
I feel like the more times I say it the better. Sucks losing a solid source of income.

You know, it might actually be a really good idea if one of us started a sort of mega thread of the no tolerance rules for every site. I feel like some of them, especially rules regarding discussion of minors, should be a no brainer, but apparently it isn’t judging by all the banned threads we see here. That way when someone comes here trying to appeal their ban we can point them towards that thread, especially if they want to do better on another site.

And if Amber thinks it’s a good idea, perhaps have it stickied so it’s easy to find for newcomers to the forum.

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

Here's how you play this card.

They tip and ask. You say yes and then point them to the part of your bio for social media where you've already set up the name and amount you want to be paid for a subscription.

Like so:
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The things CB takes issue within these situations is a model openly advertising "hey check out my snap, hey buy my OF, hey follow me on Fansly" because then it looks like you're intentionally driving traffic there instead of having an extra cookie to hand out to people if they want a cookie. Just say that info is in your bio and move on and don't acknowledge another chat about it. Keep those things very separate. You'll be golden.

This is something I have for Twitter and Insta never used Snap but now I will and I just am paranoid when things like this is said in public chat because of StripChat And Streamate rules have me thinking it’s for all sites. Also I never knew I could direct them to our profile to find it.

 

[Vixxen81]

You'll notice just about every model has removed any social media overlay on their streams. Just point to the bio and keep moving.

 

[MarieElise]

You know, it might actually be a really good idea if one of us started a sort of mega thread of the no tolerance rules for every site. I feel like some of them, especially rules regarding discussion of minors, should be a no brainer, but apparently it isn’t judging by all the banned threads we see here. That way when someone comes here trying to appeal their ban we can point them towards that thread, especially if they want to do better on another site.

And if Amber thinks it’s a good idea, perhaps have it stickied so it’s easy to find for newcomers to the forum.

I think that's a really good idea. I'll go screenshot the SM ones now and add to this post in a second here.

ETA; Interesting, there was a part in the agreement where it also said they can terminate your account for low performance. I've never noticed that before, and didn't know that was a thing. The reason I find that very interesting, is that every little while I like to run a little informal survey of my own, to see how many SM models are online. I've been doing it every few months for a decade now. The number has never really grown much, like I've seen with sites like SC, who's number of models online tripled during covid and after. It looks like not only do SM close inactive accounts (this I knew, if you don't stream for a few months you get a warning that you have X amount of time to stream, or they are closing your account). However, technically, according to this, they can also close your account for "under performance". Although I've never seen anyone talk about this happening to them. On your model dashboard you can access reports which let you know what percentage of your overall time online was paid. However, that can be deceiving because you could have made quite a bit in money in free chat on tips, or lovense activation etc, and I don't think that counts in, as "paid time".

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

I think that's a really good idea. I'll go screenshot the SM ones now and add to this post in a second here.

Streamate I report about 5 men a day begging for raceplay. Begging for age play. And nothing happens to them I see they hop to another model and that model shares the screen shot in the discord and I wonder what’s the purpose of reporting when they allow all to happen every day all day long. So I email Streamate And they say same thing.
Thanks for your message.

Customers are not allowed to do this which is why we appreciate the reports.

Please let us know if you need further assistance.

Yet they do the same shit to many models day after day with no consequences. Make it make sense. Race play requests all day long and no one seems to care

 

[Vixxen81]

@MarieElise

The low performance/bad performance thing was also an issue on CB. They tried to use the thumbs up/down system to mitigate models who didn't do as tipped but their TOS specifically states we are not to perform actions for tips and that tips are at the risk of the spender and no action could be enforced or guaranteed (that's why we jump all over these assholes who want refunds for privates and stuff). Turns out no one really gives a flying fuck what a model's "rating" is and will still tip them even if they get the warning that pops up telling them their satisfaction score is low. A lot of models hide their ratings.

But in the same breath you can down vote a model for 25 tokens because she didn't open your PM. (They drop off after 90 days and repeat harassers get banned by CB's system.)

 

[Marceline]

I think that's a really good idea. I'll go screenshot the SM ones now and add to this post in a second here.

ETA; Interesting, there was a part in the agreement where it also said they can terminate your account for low performance. I've never noticed that before, and didn't know that was a thing.

I’m actually in the bathtub switching between here and online shopping on my phone while I soak in a bubble bath (hahaha) but when I get out and can get on my laptop I’ll look up the no tolerance rules for the other major sites (including clip sites) and start the megathread, unless you want to start it!

Also, that’s wild you can get banned for low performance. How is “low performance” on SM even defined as?

 

[MarieElise]

Streamate I report about 5 men a day begging for raceplay. Begging for age play. And nothing happens to them I see they hop to another model and that model shares the screen shot in the discord and I wonder what’s the purpose of reporting when they allow all to happen every day all day long. So I email Streamate And they say same thing.
Thanks for your message.

Customers are not allowed to do this which is why we appreciate the reports.

Please let us know if you need further assistance.

Yet they do the same shit to many models day after day with no consequences. Make it make sense. Race play requests all day long and no one seems to care

Yes, although I've heard this before, I wonder if there is just a lag? Does it take a while before they close them, but eventually they do? Do the members get a warning first, and have like a 3 strikes rule? I'm not sure. I have a member account myself there, but since I'm not obnoxious and asking for stuff like that, I have no idea what happens. I know expecting them to close it immediately is unrealistic. They probably have to go through steps first, unless it's something super serious. I did see people get viewer accounts closed immediately, but it was for very serious illegal things on C2C.

ETA; I have a business litigation lawyer friend, and he told me it has to do with their insurance. Their insurance has something to do with us, but not the viewers. They are not liable for the viewers. So they are always going to be less strict on them (viewers) and what they do. Although they have closed accounts immediately before, for very serious things. Stuff like drug use, requests for forbidden stuff, I doubt they are going to be as strict on. Because those guys could still go on to spend money. I know the drug use one, members spend a lot of money. But if one of us were to do it... HOLY HELL!

Insurance companies really dictate everything in this country. It's ballocks, it really is. #freenudesforluigi

 

[MarieElise]

Also, that’s wild you can get banned for low performance. How is “low performance” on SM even defined as?

Good goddamn question lol I was wondering the same thing. Especially if I'm correct in thinking tips don't count toward paid percentage. A model could spend 0 time in private and have 0% paid time, but then have made hundreds or thousands of dollars in tips, and lovense activations, for a shift. I bet they just have that in there, but rarely actually do that. I was on the discord for over a year, and never heard once of anyone say they got their account closed for "under performance". But who knows ? That's why I'm shocked at that one.

I'll start compiling a few, but I don't trust my memory and attention to detail to start the thread. I'll see if I can grab the ones from MV, C4S, and SC. That way we don't reinvent the wheel and both spend time getting the same stuff.

 

[AmberCutie]

You know, it might actually be a really good idea if one of us started a sort of mega thread of the no tolerance rules for every site.

And if Amber thinks it’s a good idea, perhaps have it stickied so it’s easy to find for newcomers to the forum.

Please someone start one and tag me, I'll sticky it!

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

I think that's a really good idea. I'll go screenshot the SM ones now and add to this post in a second here.

ETA; Interesting, there was a part in the agreement where it also said they can terminate your account for low performance. I've never noticed that before, and didn't know that was a thing. The reason I find that very interesting, is that every little while I like to run a little informal survey of my own, to see how many SM models are online. I've been doing it every few months for a decade now. The number has never really grown much, like I've seen with sites like SC, whose number of models online tripled during covid and after. It looks like not only do SM close inactive accounts (this I knew, if you don't stream for a few months you get a warning that you have X amount of time to stream, or they are closing your account). However, technically, according to this, they can also close your account for "under performance". Although I've never seen anyone talk about this happening to them. On your model dashboard you can access reports which let you know what percentage of your overall time online was paid. However, that can be deceiving because you could have made quite a bit in money in free chat on tips, or lovense activation etc, and I don't think that counts in, as "paid time

I’m actually in the bathtub switching between here and online shopping on my phone while I soak in a bubble bath (hahaha) but when I get out and can get on my laptop I’ll look up the no tolerance rules for the other major sites (including clip sites) and start the megathread, unless you want to start it!

Also, that’s wild you can get banned for low performance. How is “low performance” on SM even defined as?

I saw that the day I joined and mentioned it here about a year ago. I was told it’s no longer in the contract and won’t be removed for low performance. But idk that site has 100,000,000 glitches and they have the worst percentage split of earnings but its an amazing backround site for multi streaming in Gold Shows

 

[MarieElise]

I was told it’s no longer in the contract and won’t be removed for low performance.

See much as I love SM, and they've always been my main site, this stuff drives me absolutely bonkers.

If it's been removed, then remove it lol

I'm not on discord anymore, but when I was, I was told and read so many things by support, but they were not updated in writing on the actual site. So what do we go by? Screenshots of informal things said on a discord server, or the written ToS and rules that are posted. I have a feeling Lawyers would say what's posted.

Maybe it's just my OCD, but for the love of God lolololol

If it's not in writing on the site then... please put it there, or remove it from there, or whatever needs to be done guys. Before the rest of us have a coronary event over it!

 

[GaijinJJ]

I’m actually in the bathtub switching between here and online shopping on my phone while I soak in a bubble bath (hahaha) but when I get out and can get on my laptop I’ll look up the no tolerance rules for the other major sites (including clip sites) and start the megathread, unless you want to start it!

Also, that’s wild you can get banned for low performance. How is “low performance” on SM even defined as?

I would think that it becomes a quid pro quo thing that you run the risk of being raided /shutdown

 

[Marceline]

I would think that it becomes a quid pro quo thing that you run the risk of being raided /shutdown

Maybe it’s just because I am very tired right now, but I have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[GaijinJJ]

Maybe it’s just because I am very tired right now, but I have no idea what you’re talking ab

 

[GaijinJJ]

Maybe I am reading too much into it but it sounds like when you are given money for sex that you might be breaking a law of some sort. Needless to say I am no expert