Mysteriously ghosted CB model . . and a Tip Note >> banned from room

[Dubious]

In mid-December, on what I gather was an agency end-of-year incentive trip to Indonesia, a "new" Aussie (agency) model — 20; joined CB in 06/24 — I adore spending time with streamed from her hotel room in Bali before flying back to Australia in a couple of days (allegedly).

Indonesia can be (is?) draconian regarding its "2008 Indonesian Anti-Pornography Law," which states that "anyone who displays pornography in public can face up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $335,000. The law includes public displays of nudity, sexual exploitation, intercourse, and other pornographic content. It also includes public performances that could incite sexual desire." In December, there were headlines in Bali media organizations about the government cracking down on foreigners participating in various aspects of the sex industry.

#1 While sunbathing by her private plunge pool adjoining her hotel room, she told us that a couple of days prior, she had noticed a man (hotel employee? gardener? undercover police?) in a tree watching her (allegedly),

#2 while streaming to us in her bra and panties, a hotel employee opened her hotel room door and walked in on her (allegedly . . it was off-camera, but we could hear them talking) . . and

#3 while streaming, she absentmindedly accidentally flashed her bare breast(s) while performing a topless "hand bra."

Since that broadcast 2+ weeks ago, the model has most-unusually ghosted, and I am worried she was arrested and is in a Bali prison. Or she may simply be taking time off from camming, quit the industry, or any number of other possibilities, of course. And I don't know what I would / could do if I found out she is in prison in Bali, but I'm pretty sure I would try to do . . something.

She doesn't (didn't?) provide Telegram or Twitter or any other means of communicating, and her OF is clearly 99% agency-managed and run. So I have been reaching out to other Aussie models on CB via 25 token Tip Notes asking if they can tell me . . anything. Even if they knew something, they very likely wouldn't tell me anything, but it's worth a try IMHO, after all, they can simply say "no" or completely ignore my tip note:

“Hi (Model). I’m a devoted fan of Aussie model (unnamed) & trying to see if she’s ok. She streamed in Bali (VERY illegal) 2 weeks ago & hasn’t been seen or heard from since; I’m worried she was arrested & is in Bali prison. Can U tell me . . anything?”

I have sent about 15+ Aussie models this 25 token Tip Note, most of whom have never heard of her / know nothing (allegedly). A couple models have responded crypticly. And today, I was instantaneously banned from a new-ish Aussie model's room (before she could have possibly read the note) by somebody other than the model; while there was no Red Moderator, I believe moderators can change their color to anything they want.



Which leads me to believe something is going on. And/or it is possible (probable?) that an agency is rightly taking measures to protect the model and anything remotely having to do with her identity from a fan (me): other than myself, nobody can possibly know for sure that I do not want to know anything about the model other than that she is ok / is not languishing in a Bali prison.

I don't really even know what my question is, and I KNOW some (most?) contributors are going to jump all over me for a variety of reasons, but I feel that I care about this human being half way across the world who I have had the pleasure of spending time with.

Earnest advice? Well-intended suggestions?

 

[Iluvablow69]

What about Accountants?

Hello, Account here.
"How you doing!?" ;-)



It's been a while, but I am glad to still come on here and read crazy stuff like this haha

 

[Southernbarbii]

In mid-December, on what I gather was an agency end-of-year incentive trip to Indonesia, a "new" Aussie (agency) model — 20; joined CB in 06/24 — I adore spending time with streamed from her hotel room in Bali before flying back to Australia in a couple of days (allegedly).

Indonesia can be (is?) draconian regarding its "2008 Indonesian Anti-Pornography Law," which states that "anyone who displays pornography in public can face up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $335,000. The law includes public displays of nudity, sexual exploitation, intercourse, and other pornographic content. It also includes public performances that could incite sexual desire." In December, there were headlines in Bali media organizations about the government cracking down on foreigners participating in various aspects of the sex industry.

#1 While sunbathing by her private plunge pool adjoining her hotel room, she told us that a couple of days prior, she had noticed a man (hotel employee? gardener? undercover police?) in a tree watching her (allegedly),

#2 while streaming to us in her bra and panties, a hotel employee opened her hotel room door and walked in on her (allegedly . . it was off-camera, but we could hear them talking) . . and

#3 while streaming, she absentmindedly accidentally flashed her bare breast(s) while performing a topless "hand bra."

Since that broadcast 2+ weeks ago, the model has most-unusually ghosted, and I am worried she was arrested and is in a Bali prison. Or she may simply be taking time off from camming, quit the industry, or any number of other possibilities, of course. And I don't know what I would / could do if I found out she is in prison in Bali, but I'm pretty sure I would try to do . . something.

She doesn't (didn't?) provide Telegram or Twitter or any other means of communicating, and her OF is clearly 99% agency-managed and run. So I have been reaching out to other Aussie models on CB via 25 token Tip Notes asking if they can tell me . . anything. Even if they knew something, they very likely wouldn't tell me anything, but it's worth a try IMHO, after all, they can simply say "no" or completely ignore my tip note:

“Hi (Model). I’m a devoted fan of Aussie model (unnamed) & trying to see if she’s ok. She streamed in Bali (VERY illegal) 2 weeks ago & hasn’t been seen or heard from since; I’m worried she was arrested & is in Bali prison. Can U tell me . . anything?”

I have sent about 15+ Aussie models this 25 token Tip Note, most of whom have never heard of her / know nothing (allegedly). A couple models have responded crypticly. And today, I was instantaneously banned from a new-ish Aussie model's room (before she could have possibly read the note) by somebody other than the model; while there was no Red Moderator, I believe moderators can change their color to anything they want.

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Which leads me to believe something is going on. And/or it is possible (probable?) that an agency is rightly taking measures to protect the model and anything remotely having to do with her identity from a fan (me): other than myself, nobody can possibly know for sure that I do not want to know anything about the model other than that she is ok / is not languishing in a Bali prison.

I don't really even know what my question is, and I KNOW some (most?) contributors are going to jump all over me for a variety of reasons, but I feel that I care about this human being half way across the world who I have had the pleasure of spending time with.

Earnest advice? Well-intended suggestions?

Why would you automatically assume that other models on the site would know what is going on with her? The models who are ignoring your tip note are probably thinking “what in the hell is this guy talking about.” And the one who banned you just honestly probably didn’t want to deal with the situation. I know if this came thru my room I wouldn’t know how to respond other than “no”. So if they’re saying “no” just assume they don’t have a clue. Not only that but it gives major creeper vibes that you’re desperately trying to locate this person offline.

Also your favorite model probably took some time off to be with her family at Christmas. You might think you know what she has going on, but i can tell you that no cam model is ever going to be honest with you about what is going on in her personal life like that. Because it’s truly none of your concern. At the end of the day, it’s a just job for us. It’s obsession and downright limerence for some of you, and to be honest it EXHAUSTS us. (Not trying to be harsh, just stating facts from my perspective as a model).

My guess is she’s taking a much needed mental health break, which in this industry is imperative.

 

[MarieElise]

When I google "model arrested in Bali" and "December 2024" nothing comes up. I feel bad that OP is so upset, but I really don't think this happened. Because all sorts of other arrests are coming up, but nothing recent.

There's a "nine tourists arrested at drug fueled party" thing?
God, they're strict? All they found were weed, and presumably someones benzo script. That isn't "drugs" to me.

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

When I google "model arrested in Bali" and "December 2024" nothing comes up. I feel bad that OP is so upset, but I really don't think this happened. Because all sorts of other arrests are coming up, but nothing recent.

There's a "nine tourists arrested at drug fueled party" thing?
God, they're strict? All they found were weed, and presumably someones benzo script. That isn't "drugs" to me.

I have been pulled into investigation room in Bali for having catnip in my luggage from my psycho cats. So I showed them a video of my cats with the stuffed turtle filled with catnip

 

[MarieElise]

I have been pulled into investigation room in Bali for having catnip in my luggage from my psycho cats. So I showed them a video of my cats with the stuffed turtle filled with catnip

Jesus!
Go to Palm Springs instead folks, you won't have to worry about any of this stuff.

 

[gold_hippo]

those are actual cam models. they are studio models where models who aren't apart of one are independent cammodels.

there are different types and some people need a physical studio because home isn't an option to work out of. some studios are dubious in their practices but not all of them are.

They are camming from their own house/bedroom and with a studio taking a cut that recruited/preyed upon them... which is sketchy af. Every single girl they recruit has never cammed before in her life and is completely new, meaning they are unaware of how corrupt it is. No established cam girl who knows what she's doing would agree to join a cam studio like these. I understand OF agencies being useful, but a CB agency is just strange, and no girl camming from her own place needs one. Over on Streammate, you may have actual girls camming in studios because they need them, but CB is a whole different monster of weirdness currently. I made a thread on this before, so I'm done getting into it again . My tin foil hat is retired. OP was surely a victim of this, poor guy.

 

[AudriTwo]

They are camming from their own house/bedroom and with a studio taking a cut that recruited/preyed upon them... which is sketchy af. Every single girl they recruit has never cammed before in her life and is completely new, meaning they are unaware of how corrupt it is. No established cam girl who knows what she's doing would agree to join a cam studio like these. I understand OF agencies being useful, but a CB agency is just strange, and no girl camming from her own place needs one. Over on Streammate, you may have actual girls camming in studios because they need them, but CB is a whole different monster of weirdness currently. I made a thread on this before, so I'm done getting into it again . My tin foil hat is retired. OP was surely a victim of this, poor guy.

no one here is denying there are shit studios that prey upon new and desperate people in the industry. that is why sites like this exist. but there are physical and virtual studios on every fucking site. I've been in the industry for about 12 years. it's been happening since 1999.

i have known hundreds of established cammodels to join a virtual studio for reasons. one reason is keep payments all in one place if they have multiple sites and makes taxes easier. another reason is depending on the country getting paid maybe a pain in the ass, so a studio is necessary. the biggest is quicker payments. chaturbate pays out twice a month. there are plenty of studios that offer daily/weekly payments. there are also a bunch of other reasons but those are mainly the biggest for virtual.

 

[Vixxen81]

no one here is denying there are shit studios that prey upon new and desperate people in the industry. that is why sites like this exist. but there are physical and virtual studios on every fucking site. I've been in the industry for about 12 years. it's been happening since 1999.

i have known hundreds of established cammodels to join a virtual studio for reasons. one reason is keep payments all in one place if they have multiple sites and makes taxes easier. another reason is depending on the country getting paid maybe a pain in the ass, so a studio is necessary. the biggest is quicker payments. chaturbate pays out twice a month. there are plenty of studios that offer daily/weekly payments. there are also a bunch of other reasons but those are mainly the biggest for virtual.

Chaturbate pays out daily after a model goes through two pay cycles. The minimum to cash out is $20.

 

[AudriTwo]

Chaturbate pays out daily after a model goes through two pay cycles. The minimum to cash out is $20.

Im glad camsites are catching on to this trend. Streamate too offers daily pay now.

 

[Dubious]

Dare I attempt to reach out to and engage in genuine, civil, collegial dialogue again with a group of people who are far more experienced and know vastly more about the subject than I possibly ever could? The anger, bitterness, judgement, and self-righteous "I'm a brilliant and superior paragon of omniscience; you're just another stupid and inferior example of a fool" aspect of my interactions here on ACF have perhaps been an apropos reminder of why I got off all social media 8 years ago on November 7th, 2016.

you think we're so interconnected we know who is who and what they're doing. Not only do we not know, we don't fucking care!

You are correct: I do think (hope?) models — at least in the industrial world — are connected to another, a couple, a few, or many other models, and that those connected models know "who is who" and "what they're doing," not at the micro level, but at least to some extent at the macro level. Which is why I was sending private Tip Notes to other Australian models on the off-chance one or two of them were possibly acquainted with and/or knew relevant information about the model in question.

Yes, it would genuinely be a shock to my heart finding out that connected models do not "fucking" care "who is who" and/or "what they are doing."

On a side note . . I don't understand what I have possibly said or done that deserves having expletives yelled at me, which comes across as condescending and is very off-putting.

*sigh*

I'm a professional photographer and teach a beginner-intermediate level photography course at a university. When somebody asks for clarity regarding a fairly rudimentary aspect of photography about which they know very little and have heard contradicting information . . as an expert, I don't *sigh* and make the other person feel stupid or discouraged for having asked an elementary question, unless that person continues to bring it up in a way that comes across as challenging my authority.

Moderators cannot change their color. Their name changes to red when a model gives them moderator status. It goes back when she removes the privilege.

I appreciate you confirming what I originally assumed to be true . . until the long-time Mod I asked lied to me by telling me otherwise, thus leading to my confusion.

When someone is paranoid and starts white knighting for a cam model

Truly, I do not like -- I hate -- being ridiculed, put in a padded cell with other social pariah (the mentally challenged: those suffering from paranoia), and labeled (a white knight), especially from somebody who hasn't met me and doesn't know me at all, but quickly jumps to conclusions based on a misunderstanding, a miscommunication, and/or a preconceived notion, especially after very limited interaction.

I think they should get age verified and broadcast in order to learn how things actually work

While I did recently get age verified, and an ex-girlfriend did once propose that we cam together, I do not see myself broadcasting in the future. Which, believe me, is a relief to us all.
Thus, I can never know how things actually work. Which is one reason I try to read first person accounts and reach out to those who DO know how things work.

No, I don't care if a model is sitting in jail because she knowingly broke decency laws...just like I wouldn't care if she broke into a bank and robbed it and got busted for that.

I would argue that everybody who has the ability to rob a bank knows that robbing a bank is extremely illegal and punishable by incarceration.

While not everybody knows that prostitution is extremely illegal in Indonesia and punishable by incarceration, most people probably expect that to be as true in Indonesia as it is in most other countries, and thus avoid participating in it.

Much fewer people are probably aware that going topless on a beach in Indonesia is equally illegal and punishable by incarceration.

I was postulating that the model in question may have been completely unaware that streaming from her private hotel room on a website that is unequivocally part of the global sex industry is equally illegal and punishable by incarceration.

I bet very, very few people who travel to Indonesia are aware that having explicit (nude) videos and/or pictures on a laptop and/or phone is illegal and punishable by incarceration. I know I wasn't when I photographed a one-week yoga retreat in Bali years ago!

if I didn't care I never would have responded to your initial DM about this on here...you got responses and then posted this here anyway

I found this confusing, because in private you seemed to care about the model and/or me, and helpfully suggested, "Tip her, send a DM and ask when the next show is," which I appreciated and then did, even though I 99% thought this would be completely futile because her agency would receive the DM, not the model. Which is why I then "posted this here anyway": to reach a larger audience and hopefully receive other suggestions.

But here in the public forum you came across as antithetical (models don't care who other models are or what they do) and angry (yelling expletives).

no one, literally no one, can help you here with this other than try to convince you to let it goooo and see if she returns

I disagree with this fatalist perspective because I can't know which, if any, of the 1,907+ members of ACF (my rough count) can or would be able to help me and/or the possibly incarcerated model in some way. I do know that trying to convince somebody of something they are genuinely worried about, as irrational as it may seem to other people, takes much more than simply saying, "let it goooo."

Actually, little bits and pieces of this thread have helped me in some unexpected ways.

Cheers,
Cexmental

Thank you SO much for your thoughtful, fact-based, and earnest response! I really appreciate it
Having that explained clearly was oddly comforting.

a model can ban a user for whatever reason or no reason. accept it and move on.

Although I do not appreciate or respond well when somebody who does not know me orders me to do something about which they are not concerned . . not only do I accept this, I knew this and completely support the fact that models are able to ban users for any reason or no reason.

However, this fact is irrelevant here, because as I said in my initial post, there is no way the model was the one who banned me, and there was no moderator.
(My suspicion that an agency admin was running the model's room and banned me was later reaffirmed in this thread)

You also realize that if an Australian broadcaster had been arrested for streaming on Bali, this would have been published as a warning?

Actually, no, I don't realize this.

While I would hope that "if an Australian broadcaster had been arrested for streaming on Bali, this would have been published as a warning," I also know that crime reports, criminal records, and the court of law are extremely suspect and difficult to penetrate in Indonesia, and it is probably more likely that an incident like this would not be published as a warning, especially when the country depends so much on tourism and is still trying to rebuild its pre-pandemic numbers.

Also, I can not know and do not have access to (subscription paywalls are prohibitive) everything possibly published about an incident like this.

They lied to you.

Thank you. I instinctually agree with you, and appreciate and am swayed by the convincing succinctness of your statement.

The only one that can ban a user from a single room is the model account...So it is either the model, and you misjudged the time interval, or the model has an assistant/helper that is logged in on her model account and monitor the chat.

Yes CB can read that chat (and tipnotes), but I doubt they have the resources to do it in real-time. The same goes for 'Law enforcement'.

This was all super helpful, thank you

@AmberCutie is a broadcaster on MFC that started this forum years ago, (un)fortunately she lacks the goddess-like abilities to monitor all chat on webcam sites.

Nor would she want to . But I learned recently via ACF that law enforcement monitors all the streaming sites . . and other websites in the sex industry, such as ACF, I assume.

Mentioning another models name in a tipnote is not against CB ToS, but it is considered bad manners.

Thank you for the clarification re CB ToS. And again, I confess that I did not know that it is bad manners to mention another model in a private tip note or PM.
Duly noted and not to be done again.

During an average week 110.000+ models stream on CB, how would you think they would be interconnected?

I would think a few, or some, or many, or most cam models (in Australia) could be using "model only" sections of websites (such as "Amber Cutie Forums" and/or "We Cam Girls" for example) or encrypted means of communications to network with another, or a few, or some, or many other models. Which is why I sent private tip notes to Aussie models: women I figured might have a chance of being at least a tertiary part of her network.

Models 'do fucking care' about how models in general are treated, but if a model is knowingly breaking the law they also know that this could potentially harm all of them, so there is little support for that.

Let's assume for the sake of perspective that somebody has absolutely no idea that they could possibly be breaking a law that is laughably legal in their home country, such as having nude videos and/or images on his laptop and/or phone . . or streaming from their private hotel room on an adult site that is part of the global sex industry? If that person is arrested and incarcerated, is there more support for that?

When you enter a room the rules tell you not to announce other rooms or websites, yes this means in public, but it also means in PM or tip notes to me.

Thank you so much for including the last two words: "to me." The intended meaning of your previous statement is MUCH clearer and more relatable :

I ban people all of the time without reading their tip notes because I parse them for violations and mentioning another model is a violation.

 

[AmberCutie]

But I learned recently via ACF that law enforcement monitors all the streaming sites . . and other websites in the sex industry, such as ACF, I assume.

Could you link the post you're referring to with this statement?

I guarantee you in all the years I've owned this website, there has been zero interaction with any law enforcement. If any official law enforcement is "monitoring" stuff on adult sites, it's the stuff publicly visible to anyone, not the private interactions and definitely not in private bannings and moderation.

 

[Vixxen81]

You did challenge my authority, hence the sigh. *I* am the cam model, not the person who told you that. But at least you know now. That's all that matters in the end.

 

[AudriTwo]

However, this fact is irrelevant here, because as I said in my initial post, there is no way the model was the one who banned me, and there was no moderator.
(My suspicion that an agency admin was running the model's room and banned me was later reaffirmed in this thread)

If it was a studio model, the studio owns the account. They are 100% in the right to ban you.

The model is there to work, not play where in the world is rando aussie camgirl. You were a distraction. Many independent models here have commented they would have banned you too.

There are studios that monitor and help with chat via team viewer. This is a standard practice.

 

[Vixxen81]

At this point, when she does reappear it'll probably be a different model in her place. Such is life with studios.

 

[Dubious]

Suddenly seeing another model's name is jarring and takes me out of my head space

I had not been aware of or thought about this and it is really good to know; thank you

Why is this person in my room thinking about another model instead of me?

In my tip note, which I was aware would be very unexpectedly and unusual, I tried to address this by explaining as succinctly as possible that I was a regular fan of the model in question and I was concerned about her unexpected absence after streaming from her hotel room in Indonesia, which is highly illegal.

He is a migraine.

While I wasn't sure who you were talking about, I felt strongly that nobody in the thread thus far deserved to be called "a migraine." I had to go to the hospital once because of a migraine. If somebody in the thread is a migraine to you, I would recommend using the drop-down menu under their name and simply ignoring them.

Like I am close to ignoring you, for example.

I know he is playing stupid just to be part of a discussion on this forum

Again, I don't know exactly who you are referring to, but nobody who has participated in this thread up to this point has come across to me as "playing stupid," or "playing stupid just to be part of a discussion on this" teeny tiny, relatively backwater, extremely niche, innocuous, and obscure forum.

Always saying he has mods talking about this and that.

I am so confused by this, how it is relevant to the OP, and, honestly have no idea who or what you are talking about. Reference please?

He is NOT new and probably lonely and wants to be a female model and lives through us.

This suggests that you are talking about . . me? But then "wants to be a female model" and live through [you all] makes no sense if you are talking about me.
As I have explained before, although I lurked anonymously for YEARS, I AM new to actively participating on cam sites, which is a whole other ballgame, so to say.

As much as I enjoy fantasizing about and learning about cam models, I do not and have never wanted to be a female model. Or male. Or couple.

I can not possibly live through you models, who have experienced sides of the cam world that I can't even fathom touching.

I have on occasion pointed broadcasters to this forum in tipnotes or PMs

I have done this too.

Even if it were not bad manners to be mentioning other models, sending tip notes like that screams, "problematic over attached member, drama ahead"

It might to some models; it might not to other models. Either way, I 100% don't care, because I am not trying to curry favor or develop an ongoing relationship with any of these models . . I am simply trying to find out if a person I feel I care about is ok.

We are on there trying to make money and work. You are bothering other models over something which is likely 100percent imaginary. It's rude.

Yes, I realize models are on cam sites to work and make money, and that asking a fairly serious question out of the blue could be a nuisance.

I see small, awkward aspects like this of camming to be a fairly insignificant and unfortunate part of the job, kind of like when I worked in a grocery store and had to clean the toilets. However, it is worth it to me to pay other models and "bother" them very briefly in order to try and find out if this person is ok . . even if it is imaginary . . which it hopefully and probably is.

I did not see paying models to ask them a brief question as "rude," although I am more sensitive to this now that it's possibility has been brought to my attention.

I humored it via DM because you've been nice to me

This comes across as condescending ("I humored it") and patronizing ("because you've been nice to me"), which I admittedly do not react well to, and find difficult to respond to in a constructive way that moves the discussion forward.

Because the whole thing is ridiculous

If I am reading this correctly, you are saying that my concern for one of the most successful young Australian sex workers . . on the most trafficked adult cam site in the world . . who was on a highly visible end of year incentive trip with a bunch of wealthy "bros" and many other scantily clad models . . and unexpectedly ghosted . . after knowingly or unknowingly breaking the law . . in an Islamic country that is draconian about enforcing that law . . in the same week as there is a newspaper article called "The Aussies Spending Christmas Behind Bars" that I can't access because I don't have a subscription . . is unimaginably ridiculous?

It may be far-fetched and highly improbable, but it is not ridiculous, in my opinion. I've heard stories of people being interrogated because they had catnip in their luggage (allegedly).

likely mostly manufactured by her as something to talk about.

Just to be clear: the model did not in any way "manufacture" this scenario or my concern; I doubt she's even aware of the scenario I am concerned about. I'm tripping over here all by myself.

Anyone with half a fucking brain would just lie and say they were skyping with their boyfriend, and how dare you walk into my hotel room unannounced! It really does scream manufactured drama.

First of all, I really don't think she was manufacturing the scenario where the hotel employee walked in on her streaming in her underwear: we could slightly hear them talking in the background. Secondly, it doesn't really matter: by streaming, she broke a law punishable by a very hefty fine and lengthy incarceration.

He is so Needy and Nosy and a Wannabe Cam Model

Again . . I seriously can't quite tell, but is it me who you are labeling "Needy," "Nosy," and a "Wannabe Cam Model?" Because I don't get it: I don't "need" anything, I am asking a question in my OP; I am not being nosey, I am simply trying to ascertain whether somebody I don't know very well but like is ok or has been arrested in a foreign county; and, again, I do not and have never wanted to be a cam model. I have absolutely no idea how or where that strange idea came from.

I'm loath to begin a sentence with "As a long-time moderator myself...." but let's be clear. If you are a moderator, you are red. You will be red for as long as you remain a moderator.

Cool. Good to know. This seems to be a fact that is being reiterated by a bunch of people.

The model banned you. For asking weird psycho questions about random models and Bali prisons. You do realize how weird that is, right?

Again and again: the model did not ban me, and there was no moderator, somebody else banned me. (an agency admin, probably)
I sent 25 token tip notes asking this question to 20+ Aussie models on CB. All of the models read it and responded to me in some way . . except for the model in whose room I was instantaneously banned, who could not have read it because she was across the room doing something and had only started to move toward her laptop to read the tip note as I was banned.

The question is not "psycho" considering the circumstances, although it is random and unexpected, and I do realize how unusual ("weird") the question is . . right.

I don't really care mate. That's your concern, not mine. I just tried to crack a joke and now I have your full medical history. Unnecessary.

Please don't call me "mate" if you don't care, because we don't know each other and we're not friends. I'm not really "concerned" about my lack of libido, because it's fairly easily explained . . which I did. Not just for you, but because I have read ACF for many years after Googling this or that, and maybe another middle-aged guy on the internet (or yourself when you reach adulthood) who happens to read this thread and is in a similar situation will pick something useful up.

There are literally tens of thousands of cam models. Do you think they all know each other? Really?

Um . . no? (Is that the correct answer to a bizarre question?)
I don't think I insinuated ALL cam models around the world know each other. Let's see . . my exact words were: "I have been reaching out to other Aussie models on CB via 25 token Tip Notes asking if they can tell me . . anything" and later "I have hoped / assumed that many (most?) models are interconnected with each other." I guess you somehow assumed I was saying "all models are interconnected," which would be insane, and is not what I said.

As stated elsewhere, if an Australian cam model had been arrested in Indonesia, it would no doubt feature on the news. The fact that it hasn't means it likely didn't happen.

Again . . first of all, just because you or I haven't seen an article does not mean it doesn't exist, assuming there would definitely be an article, which I do not assume. Secondly, there IS this very possibly relevant article about Australians who were arrested and thrown in jail for something having to do with the sex industry, which was printed in the time between her show and Christmas, but I can not access it because I do not have a subscription:

If she was ever in Bali in the first place that is. Models make up all sorts of stories about where they are located

Of course models make up stories about where they are located all the time . . every time, I hope.
I have been to Bali. This model was in a place that looked very similar to Bali when she gave us a tour of her room and outside her hotel via her webcam (which I strongly suggested she not do . . in a private tip note). Later, another viewer told me a rumor of the name of the hotel in Bali where her agency end-of-year incentive trip was staying. No, I did not ask for this information, it was provided unbidden.

overly clingy fuckers with overactive imaginations

I do not appreciate this at all.

In my OP, I am simply trying to explain a potential situation and ask for help. I thought that is partly what ACF is for.

Just move on dude. She's home visiting the family for christmas, or has quit camming or is maybe actively hiding from you.

Maybe you would, but I am not going to "just move on," dude, if somebody I feel I care about might be in trouble, as far-fetched as the possibility is. I am going to reach out to people who are more experienced and know more about the possible scenarios than I do in an attempt to inform myself, which in turn is comforting.

I hope she is as home visiting the family for Christmas; she is very likely at home visiting the family for Christmas. Or I hope she has quit camming, or is taking a break. She is probably not actively hiding from me: I am nothing but a username with a wallet among usernames to her. She very likely has absolutely no idea I am concerned about her. In fact, it is extremely likely she couldn't care less that I was concerned about her if she had an idea that I was concerned about her. That is how it should be.

Anyone who tips those non-nude Aussie agency rooms deserves to be banned.

I'm beginning to agree with you and feel this way, unfortunately.

Take this as a lesson and spend your money more wisely.

Well said. Noted.

You are tipping girls who follow a script with agencies taking a cut of your tip; it's sad, dude. Also, you are not messaging the girl on OF; they don't know your existence, nor do they care

Yes, I just recently learned about this on ACF. When I started following this model, I had no concept of an agency. "Her" messages with me on OF are what tipped me off and caused me to seek information about cam models and agencies. Now I realize "they don't know your existence, nor do they care."

The mod who banned you was her agent signed into her CB while she was live most likely "ghost mod" got you bud.

Touché.

It's people talking sense to you that you can't handle.

You're wrong here. "Sense" is what I am seeking . . information . . facts . . from experienced people who know more than I do. It's the way those very people I reached out to are being unfriendly, not helpful, destructive, and combative -- attacking and ridiculing -- that I have no interest in being a part of my life, which is fairly happy and positive for the most part.

Go and explain your Bali theory to someone in the street and watch their eyes widen.

I would, but the vast majority of people on the street have next to no direct experience with Indonesia and its Anti Pornography" law or the global sex industry (or do they?), unlike many of us on ACF. I bet their eyes would widen

That model isn't in jail. There's a high chance she wasn't in bali in the first place.

If you know who I have been talking about and have direct knowledge that she is not in jail . . I just wish you had said in the beginning: "Dubious, I can confirm that _______ was not arrested for breaking the law in Bali and she is not in jail."

That is all I wanted to know.

That hotel employee who walked into the room was probably her boyfriend, which she hastily had to explain away. The guys watching her was a fantasy she cooked up to entice the guys who masturbate to that kind of thing. You've talked yourself down a wormhole of craziness . .

Maybe.
Hopefully.
Probably.
Don't know.

 

[Maxi]

@Dubious



Surely if you were that bothered you’d pay the measly $1 to lift the paywall?

 

[Dubious]

Why would you automatically assume that other models on the site would know what is going on with her?

Oh, sorry if I didn't express myself very well in the OP. I do not "assume that other models on the site would know what is going on with her." I think there is a chance that another Aussie model or other Aussie models on CB (because I see a lot of them talking to each other about how to get money into their bank account, which seems to be challenging in Australia for some reason) might possibly know something . . and if they possibly knew something, they might be able to confirm to me (unlikely) that she is fine, and not in prison.

The models who are ignoring your tip note are probably thinking “what in the hell is this guy talking about.” And the one who banned you just honestly probably didn’t want to deal with the situation.

Yep . . which is totally fine with me.

Not only that but it gives major creeper vibes that you’re desperately trying to locate this person offline.

If I were desperately trying to locate a cam model offline, that would DEFINITELY be super creepy . . and I hope I would have a red flag next to my name on law enforcement lists of potential stalkers.

But I'm not trying to locate her, I'm just trying to locate where she isn't: in prison.

(and the situation is above the pay grade of her agency of Aussie "bros" . . or they're trying to distance themselves and weasel their way out of it by throwing her under the bus. I have no idea who in her life knows where she is / what the situation might be).

your favorite model probably took some time off to be with her family at Christmas. You might think you know what she has going on, but i can tell you that no cam model is ever going to be honest with you about what is going on in her personal life like that. Because it’s truly none of your concern. At the end of the day, it’s a just job for us.

I hope she is taking time off and/or with loved ones during the holidays. She probably is. It's none of my business, as you point out.

Admittedly, some sex workers are extraordinarily skilled at setting up, building, and creating the illusion of intimacy in its various manifestations. They are very good at their job, an aspect of which is to convincingly manipulate people into paying them for whatever they are selling. Sex workers can be masterful magicians, in many respects, brilliant actors and actresses.

And, yes, maintaining perspective on when it is time to "leave the theater and walk outside into the real world to touch some grass" can get confusing, which includes not being concerned at all about what the actors do or what happens to the actors after the show is over.

it’s a just job for us. It’s obsession and downright limerence for some of you, and to be honest it EXHAUSTS us. (Not trying to be harsh, just stating facts from my perspective as a model).

(had to look up "limerence")
Yes, I agree. And in my opinion camming can be a bit of a Catch 22, in that one of the most productive things a cam model can do in her room in order to be successful is create a sense of trust, intimacy, and community . . built out of fiction, detachment, and isolation. When successful, it's amazing, IMHO.

My guess is she’s taking a much needed mental health break, which in this industry is imperative.

Absolutely. Amen!

a studio taking a cut that recruited/preyed upon them... which is sketchy af. Every single girl they recruit has never cammed before in her life and is completely new, meaning they are unaware of how corrupt it is.

While I have nothing that I can show to back up my fears, this is what I am afraid of: a sketchy studio taking advantage of and potentially preying on a young, inexperienced model.

OP was surely a victim of this, poor guy.

If I am a victim, it's my own stupid fault, but I wouldn't say "poor guy." All I "lost" was a few hundred dollars and time & energy spent trying to determine if she is ok or in prison , and I truly enjoyed spending a lot of VR time with this model, who I feel made my day better each time I was in her room. Anything beyond that and the joke's on me.

there are shit studios that prey upon new and desperate people in the industry. that is why sites like this exist.

Amen . . and thank you Amber for creating this forum so many years ago and maintaining it (or whoever maintains it).



TBH . . I've sort of let go of this OP, and what many have said and insinuated has penetrated my head, despite the bitter way it was served.
So now . . I'm feeling mostly detached from the situation . . and intend to mostly go back to lurking anonymously and enjoying the show for free instead of spending real money on fantastic fictions.

 

[MarieElise]

Go Real Madrid!

Vinnnnnnny Juuuuuuuuuuuuniooooooor!
This whole thread is nothing but a giant Saturday bait. Shame on you OP. Shame!

 

[GoddessKaeli]

I'll never understand how some of these guys dig themselves in a deep hole on this forum and still have to keep going and replying to every single response. Just stop...grow up and walk away. No need to respond to every single post and get yourself so worked up. Touch grass. Breath fresh air. None of this is worth looking so weak and pathetic.

The internet is so toxic to those that can't handle it.

 

[rockin_rod]

I made some gingerbread and put crystallized ginger pieces in the dough as well as the usual ground ginger. Delicious.
I'd post a picture but by the time I thought of that, only crumbs remained.

 

[Vixxen81]

I made some gingerbread and put crystallized ginger pieces in the dough as well as the usual ground ginger. Delicious.
I'd post a picture but by the time I thought of that, only crumbs remained.

Mmm that sounds yummy. I've been scarfing down Biscoff cookies for months now. They're so awesome as digestive biscuits.

 

[AmberCutie]

Amen . . and thank you Amber for creating this forum so many years ago and maintaining it (or whoever maintains it).

I maintain it nearly solely on my own, and you're becoming:

I felt strongly that nobody in the thread thus far deserved to be called "a migraine."

You're too deep in the cam girl world and ACF is only making it worse, for both you and us. You need to log off of this site and the cam sites/social sites on which you've found this model that you're obsessed with.

 

[Vixxen81]

I maintain it nearly solely on my own, and you're becoming:

You're too deep in the cam girl world and ACF is only making it worse, for both you and us. You need to log off of this site and the cam sites/social sites on which you've found this model that you're obsessed with.

 

[Marceline]

Could you link the post you're referring to with this statement?

I guarantee you in all the years I've owned this website, there has been zero interaction with any law enforcement. If any official law enforcement is "monitoring" stuff on adult sites, it's the stuff publicly visible to anyone, not the private interactions and definitely not in private bannings and moderation.

Just wanted to agree and add on something.

The only way law enforcement would be able to see any non-public/private interactions on a cam site (or any privately owned site) is if there was some sort of ongoing criminal investigation and the private chat records were subpoenaed.

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

The Queen has SPOKEN!! All True! Facts! I Conquer! Te Amo.

 

[yummybrownfox]

Holy shit! That has to be a record for the number of people quoted within one post. Lol. And what’s up with the overuse of quotation marks? So annoying.

It’s pretty ridiculous to have to even explain to a man that it’s in poor taste to come into a model’s room asking about another model. A lot of men don’t know shit about proper cam site chatroom etiquette. Years ago a member did that to me on MFC, coming into my chat asking me if I still talk to ______ (a fellow MFC model I was friends with who’d quit the site cuz dudes weren’t spending enough, and didn’t appreciate her while she was there…once she’s gone, now they wanna act like they care about her…typical…). If she wanted to talk to you or hear from you, she’d make herself available via her Twitter account. Models don’t owe members updates on their lives after camming.

 

[rockin_rod]

Mmm that sounds yummy. I've been scarfing down Biscoff cookies for months now. They're so awesome as digestive biscuits.

OMG yes, I agree. Also found a fantastic recipe for a Biscoff mug cake made using the spread. Awesome winter warmer in just a few minutes

 

[Smoothie]

I wasted far more time than I should have reading this.

(Except for the food posts which are always worthwhile)

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

Holy shit! That has to be a record for the number of people quoted within one post. Lol. And what’s up with the overuse of quotation marks? So annoying.

It’s pretty ridiculous to have to even explain to a man that it’s in poor taste to come into a model’s room asking about another model. A lot of men don’t know shit about proper cam site chatroom etiquette. Years ago a member did that to me on MFC, coming into my chat asking me if I still talk to ______ (a fellow MFC model I was friends with who’d quit the site cuz dudes weren’t spending enough, and didn’t appreciate her while she was there…once she’s gone, now they wanna act like they care about her…typical…). If she wanted to talk to you or hear from you, she’d make herself available via her Twitter account. Models don’t owe members updates on their lives after cammi

I wasted far more time than I should have reading this.

(Except for the food posts which are always worthwhile)

I never see food posts where ???? Show me !!

 

[Maxi]

OMG yes, I agree. Also found a fantastic recipe for a Biscoff mug cake made using the spread. Awesome winter warmer in just a few minutes
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I scoffed a Biscoff Viennetta last night for a cheeky Saturday treat - delish!