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I think it's at least two months, because ElenasLocker had that when she came back and I'm sure she was gone at least two months.
She went on holiday on 1st June but I don't know if she ever logged on whilst she was away. She came back on 13th august.
(I got that from her website by the way, incase anyone thinks I'm a crazy stalker haha)
She went on holiday on 1st June but I don't know if she ever logged on whilst she was away. She came back on 13th august.
(I got that from her website by the way, incase anyone thinks I'm a crazy stalker haha)
XxXIndiXxX said:
There are some girls that just put the "New" on the avatar so they are new forever
There is a rule against it, but MFC does nothing about it.The "New" tag must be based on how much time the girl spent online since she joined MFC. How much time it is? I don't know... Time online or time in private? I don't know... Is the same thing for the "She's back" tag? I don't know...
In MFC major competitor, at least they are clear on that and the girl is considered "new" while she does not reach 100 minutes in private.
I have not reaad all posts b4 but I my take on camscore would be the following:
From a logical point of view:
MFC use the camscore to order the models on the homepage.
Higher cammscore = higher visibility
So from an economic point of view, MFC would want the moneymakers on top. To be exacly, the profit makers.
What factors affect the profite?
- CPU usage
- Bandwidth consumption
- Storage consumption
From that 3 the 1+2 is probably of most importance.
Only pvts are stored and the chatlogs are neglectable at todays storage prices.
Deducted from that:
- long time online is bad, because CPU and bandwidth costs go up
- lot of guests in the room is bad (guests dont spend tks, but consume bandwidth)
- Pvt, grp, tips are good, they increase profit.
- Offline tips are good because, no costs occured for mfc
In how far MFC does refine these points is unknown.
And last but not least, it is taken into calculation, how a single model performed in comparison to the others. meaning tks on days where there is high tks spending will weight less then tks on slow days.
What else counts is anyones guess? Ratings? maybe, but maybe MFC does not care that.
Just my 2 tks lol
From a logical point of view:
MFC use the camscore to order the models on the homepage.
Higher cammscore = higher visibility
So from an economic point of view, MFC would want the moneymakers on top. To be exacly, the profit makers.
What factors affect the profite?
- CPU usage
- Bandwidth consumption
- Storage consumption
From that 3 the 1+2 is probably of most importance.
Only pvts are stored and the chatlogs are neglectable at todays storage prices.
Deducted from that:
- long time online is bad, because CPU and bandwidth costs go up
- lot of guests in the room is bad (guests dont spend tks, but consume bandwidth)
- Pvt, grp, tips are good, they increase profit.
- Offline tips are good because, no costs occured for mfc
In how far MFC does refine these points is unknown.
And last but not least, it is taken into calculation, how a single model performed in comparison to the others. meaning tks on days where there is high tks spending will weight less then tks on slow days.
What else counts is anyones guess? Ratings? maybe, but maybe MFC does not care that.
Just my 2 tks lol
I made a comprehensive question list for MFC last week with all questions I ever had myself or saw other people ask > 87 all together...Lets see what MFC has to say....
I have so many examples of strange cam rate workings ( what about this one: I had a 260K tip and jumped in cam rate from 14.000 to 19.000 and from #13 to #2 , in the next two days another model ( who was behind me in cam rate before my big tip!!!!!!!!!! so she had less than 14.000) jumped over my cam rate so she had 20.000 > but she is not in the top 20 and barely online ???? Explain that MFC ! Now I know the answer I think , but I would love to hear an explanation on that one as she must have gotten about 320.000 tokens to justify that jump > that is top 20 100% > she is not there ....hmmm how strange ) I am so very interested in their reply...............
I have so many examples of strange cam rate workings ( what about this one: I had a 260K tip and jumped in cam rate from 14.000 to 19.000 and from #13 to #2 , in the next two days another model ( who was behind me in cam rate before my big tip!!!!!!!!!! so she had less than 14.000) jumped over my cam rate so she had 20.000 > but she is not in the top 20 and barely online ???? Explain that MFC ! Now I know the answer I think , but I would love to hear an explanation on that one as she must have gotten about 320.000 tokens to justify that jump > that is top 20 100% > she is not there ....hmmm how strange ) I am so very interested in their reply...............
MilaMilanXXX said:
camscore for models that work daily is going to suffer from the number of hours.
it is still some version of (Tips + rating points)/ hours worked
RufffRider said:
I know the cam rate basics I think ..I had long discussions about it in the past with Leo....
But I am one of the girls that work the least amount of hours in the top 20 , I average about 3 hours a day ...I work around 20-22 hours a week.... In the above example and I have proof of that ...A model jumped over me making a 6000 point cam rate jump in less than 3 days without getting into the top 20 ...what ever the calculation method is .....she must have gotten 300.000+ in tokens to make that jump > it has nothing to do with hours ..I work way less than her.... This model is the exact reason why I think the cam rate is rigged ! I make less hours than I did in February ( when I was #1) and I made almost the same tokens already on the 20th (??) then I had when I was #1 and still my camrate is 19.450 and it was 25.600 in February.....> there is no reasonable explanation...and as for that other model ( and like I said in previous posts I do not talk about others in name ) she definitely has a deal with MFC as it is impossible to make those kind of jumps in cam rate without excessive amounts of tokens..and as this happened on the 7th of August a 300.000+ token tip ( or excessive self tipping in her case ) would have meant top 20 ..hell she should be top 20 right now with that kind of tokens...
You see I get worked up again ....relax Mila...but the cam rate in my opinion is rigged..We all know that it is for porn stars so why not for MFC's darlings....
MilaMilanXXX said:
Mila, isn´t camscore and the list to different things?
The Miss MyFreeCams list is based on tks only "...2. The token total used in the contest is all tokens earned (private shows, tips, spy shows, and group shows) minus tokens deducted for any reason including model errors, refunds, chargebacks, etc. ..."
while
the camscore is based on a bunch of other things,
or put in my perspective,
Miss MFC lists the moneymakers (without regard how many costs occur to generate the money for MFC),
meaning a model which generates lots of tks at high cost for MFC can still be on top of the list,
while
Camscore lists the optimal profitmakers for MFC. So a model, which generates tks with a minimum of costs will have a good camscore. That would make a lot sense because, when she is online, she will be highly visible (higher then a top moneymaker with high costs) on the homepage, while when offline (time when she does not generate profits, except offline tips, but they usually come from friends, where she is on the friends-list)m, she does take up visibility on the homepage.
That way, in theory MFC could try to optimize resource consumption (CPU-Usage, band-width, etc, and the resource "visibilty on homepage")
This is just my theory...can anyone follow me, or comment?
Mila, so according to my theory, she could have had a huge offlinretip, making her camscore go up, but as she barely works, she overall does not generate enough tks for the Miss MFC.
But what makes it so incomprensible is, that no 2 periods of time can be compared, without knowing the overall tks spent in that period and the average for each model...
As noone outside MFC has that information, it is just to many unknown variables....?
mica2022 said:
What you say is probably 90% correct except for the part :
"she could have had a huge offlinretip, making her camscore go up, but as she barely works, she overall does not generate enough tks for the Miss MFC"
If she had gotten ( or tipped herself) a huge amount of tokens to make a 6000 (!!!!) cam rate jump possible SHE MUST BE VISIBLE IN MISS MFC top 20...Miss MFC is purely token based.....
So how did this model jump 6000 in cam rate without having a huge amount of tokens tipped?
I had a private show and the guy was rude so I ended it after telling him to fuck off, I didn't manage to end it before 90 tokens though, and he rated it 'poor' does that affect the camscore? Although I can't actually remember what my camscore was before then, hmm.
I wish models could rate premiums too and have a little message on their profile saying like 'this guy is a rude plank'. Pfft. Not that anyone reads peoples profiles. I think I'm going off topic, ahhhhh eeeeeeeek.
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I wish models could rate premiums too and have a little message on their profile saying like 'this guy is a rude plank'. Pfft. Not that anyone reads peoples profiles. I think I'm going off topic, ahhhhh eeeeeeeek.
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AngelicTease said:
I love going of topic : Public Castration for any asshole doing a minus 1 Minute PVT ? I am all for it ! :lol:
MilaMilanXXX said:
Haha!
Ooh I have something on topic to say now! Before my camscore was 907, which I was quite happy with coz I like the number 7. I haven't been online all day, and all I've got is 20 tokens from bringafriend, and my camscore has gone up to 921.7. Ehhhh? Oh well at least I still have a 7 there somewhere.
Do you people with higher camscores, obsess over your camscore less than people with lower ones?
I check mine pretty much daily, I've even saved the link to my own profile in a favorites tab thingy, so I can easily look at my own profile to see what it is! I really want it to go above 1000, but I know I'd probably have to make 1000 tokens an hour instead of 1000 tokens over 10 hours so it'll never happen. But that doesn't stop me from always looking at it/complaining when it drops! I even notice the little numbers, like it going from 921 to 907 even when really that isn't many points. Maybe those few points matter more to me though, because it's so low. Whereas if someone had a score of 10,030 and it dropped to 10,000, they wouldn't really give a shit coz it's only a few points to them.
I don't think I'm making sense but for once I'm totally on topic so YAY! :dance:
AngelicTease said:MilaMilanXXX said:
Haha!
Ooh I have something on topic to say now! Before my camscore was 907, which I was quite happy with coz I like the number 7. I haven't been online all day, and all I've got is 20 tokens from bringafriend, and my camscore has gone up to 921.7. Ehhhh? Oh well at least I still have a 7 there somewhere.
Do you people with higher camscores, obsess over your camscore less than people with lower ones?
I check mine pretty much daily, I've even saved the link to my own profile in a favorites tab thingy, so I can easily look at my own profile to see what it is! I really want it to go above 1000, but I know I'd probably have to make 1000 tokens an hour instead of 1000 tokens over 10 hours so it'll never happen. But that doesn't stop me from always looking at it/complaining when it drops! I even notice the little numbers, like it going from 921 to 907 even when really that isn't many points. Maybe those few points matter more to me though, because it's so low. Whereas if someone had a score of 10,030 and it dropped to 10,000, they wouldn't really give a shit coz it's only a few points to them.
I don't think I'm making sense but for once I'm totally on topic so YAY! :dance:
Believe me 'us girls' with a high cam rate can get obsessed as well by the rate as it is about visibility ...But don't forget the EGO aspect..we all have it..
I am more or less over the cam rate trap of being obsessed..I just get irritated when MFC obviously is using different measurements for different models...regular models vs porn stars and regular models vs mfc's darlings .......
Yes when my cam rate goes up 200 or down 200 I could care less..But when if like in Ambers case , she loses 3000 in a few days ...I would get worried ...
In your case to get over the 1000 rate you will need a stable token income of 200-250 an hour ....and you will jump over it ( based on my rate in September last year when I started and went from 1000 to 780 !!!! and then slowly back up .......it took me 5 months to get near a 5000 cam rate which means 1000-1200 tokens an hour)
It is quite easy to get yourself a 10.000 cam rate actually but it will cost you money and the question is : how long will you keep it :
The trick :
1) start a new account
2) talk to all your regulars and let them tip all in first 2 hours you are on in the new account
3) buy 40.000 tokens yourself > cost = $ 3200 - $2000 ( your cut) = $1200 nett investment
4) tip 20.000 in those first two hours
5) get out and log off and watch what happens > you will get a 6000-8000 cam rate
6) repeat the second day > your cam rate will be around 9500-10.000
Problem: you will have to invest ! And you will need to build a tip base very fast on that rate as otherwise you will drop as fast as you got there ..I hope it gives some models an idea of what actually happens on MFC by studios...
Thanks for the help. I can't afford to buy myself tokens, I've got too much debt I need to pay off, eeek. Otherwise I'd consider that.
I wonder if, if I went on for an hour, and made 200 tokens, if I then went offline, if that would help too? And did that everyday.
Because sometimes I can be on all day, and do okay the first hour or so, then for a few hours I'll make nothing, so I don't think I could make 200 tokens every single hour.
But doing an hour a day and making 200 tokens seems a lot easier!
I have thought about making a new account, but not to do what you said, but to see if a new account/new name would help me make more/help me get a better camscore, but I think in a way having ugly in my name helps me, because I get all the curious people coming in to see how ugly I am haha! Because I've noticed before, sometimes I have more people in my room than people with higher camscores.
I wish I knew when I first joined how important camscore was. I didn't even know about it until about a month after I joined when someone said something like 'no wonder your camscore is only 700 your crap!'
I can't afford to buy myself tokens, I've got too much debt I need to pay off, eeek. Otherwise I'd consider that.I wonder if, if I went on for an hour, and made 200 tokens, if I then went offline, if that would help too? And did that everyday.
Because sometimes I can be on all day, and do okay the first hour or so, then for a few hours I'll make nothing, so I don't think I could make 200 tokens every single hour.
But doing an hour a day and making 200 tokens seems a lot easier!
I have thought about making a new account, but not to do what you said, but to see if a new account/new name would help me make more/help me get a better camscore, but I think in a way having ugly in my name helps me, because I get all the curious people coming in to see how ugly I am haha! Because I've noticed before, sometimes I have more people in my room than people with higher camscores.
I wish I knew when I first joined how important camscore was. I didn't even know about it until about a month after I joined when someone said something like 'no wonder your camscore is only 700 your crap!'
AngelicTease said:Thanks for the help.
I wonder if, if I went on for an hour, and made 200 tokens, if I then went offline, if that would help too? And did that everyday.
Because sometimes I can be on all day, and do okay the first hour or so, then for a few hours I'll make nothing, so I don't think I could make 200 tokens every single hour.
But doing an hour a day and making 200 tokens seems a lot easier!
I have thought about making a new account, but not to do what you said, but to see if a new account/new name would help me make more/help me get a better camscore, but I think in a way having ugly in my name helps me, because I get all the curious people coming in to see how ugly I am haha! Because I've noticed before, sometimes I have more people in my room than people with higher camscores.
I wish I knew when I first joined how important camscore was. I didn't even know about it until about a month after I joined when someone said something like 'no wonder your camscore is only 700 your crap!'
The idea of doing 200 tokens an hour ..and then log off makes sense..If you can keep it up you will increase your cam rate for sure...
the 0-hours are keeping the rate down....
New account ( I had to do it due to problems) can be a hassle > I lost 2000 votes and 1200 admirers > am at 650/370 now after 2 months ..that sucks....and like you said the cam rate is not related to how many people you have in your room...It is a treat for me having 500 guys ...I average 250-300...I know girls with 25% of my cam rate with double the amount of people.....
But then again : having 1400 guys in your room doing full open shows and only 3 are tipping must be disappointing as well
let me girls tell us my history...
very funny..
when i started working on mfc, the first 2 days my camscore goes down to 800
4 the next week it was in 1200, and the next, 1500, my camscore stay like that for 2 or 3 weeks...
one day a very kindly webcamer (milamilanxxx) helps me giving me some tips, that really works because 4 the next day my camscore was 1.974... i will never forget it lol...
and i had to stop working for the next 3 weeks because the college, and some stuff that i have to do... the point is that this week when i check my camscore and is in 2.220.... and i haven't work lol... crazy? i dont know... i just know that from now, i will be less worried about camscore, and more about tokens..
very funny..
when i started working on mfc, the first 2 days my camscore goes down to 800
4 the next week it was in 1200, and the next, 1500, my camscore stay like that for 2 or 3 weeks...
one day a very kindly webcamer (milamilanxxx) helps me giving me some tips, that really works because 4 the next day my camscore was 1.974... i will never forget it lol...
and i had to stop working for the next 3 weeks because the college, and some stuff that i have to do... the point is that this week when i check my camscore and is in 2.220.... and i haven't work lol... crazy? i dont know... i just know that from now, i will be less worried about camscore, and more about tokens..
Anita_Toro said:
But you had offline tips, and if they are weighted against the overall tks spending at MFC in the same period, they could have moved the camscore at different speeds?
But certainly, the bottomline for you models is the tks and time spent to earn them, and not an artificial measure like camscore...
MilaMilanXXX said:
Except if she had chosen, not to be disolayed in the Miss MFC contest:
Quoted from the Miss MFC Page (bottom):
"...3. If a model does not want her name listed, the model can choose to participate anonymously, or not participate at all. The model can contact administrators for more information...."
A model who choses that option still shows up in the top 20 as "anonymous." There hasn't been an anonymous girl on the top 20 this month.mica2022 said:
You may be able to figure out who it is by going to the "profiles homepage" to see all the active girls' profiles. It lists us in order of camscore, but only girls who have been logged in within 3-4 days.
Mila is saying that with a tip big enough to make that jump in camscore, she would have enough tokens to be in the top 20. 300,000 tokens in her example (total) at this point in the would put a girl in the top 10 or 12, even.
i sometimes look at my cam score. yet honestly i dont care much about it. i would like to increase my cam score because it means potentially higher income. im more focused right now on getting face time and building my regulars and a fan base. thereby earning tokens as well as gettin shows - that should increase my cam score maybe not a lot. but some :dance:
maybe not a lot. but some :dance:There is another thing about camscore, which i am wondering: When or what triggers its update? I follow routinely Anitas and sometimes it is not updated for a week and sometimes I saw it update several times a day. Without her being online?
If there is a "model-comparative" component in the camscore, then all camscores are updated the same time in a single batch?
Any information on that?
My feeling on it is, and I am a web programer by profession myself, that it is not triggered automatically by the software running on the MFC servers, but by the admins clicking "re-calculate/update camscore" in the software´s admin control panel.
If there is a "model-comparative" component in the camscore, then all camscores are updated the same time in a single batch?
Any information on that?
My feeling on it is, and I am a web programer by profession myself, that it is not triggered automatically by the software running on the MFC servers, but by the admins clicking "re-calculate/update camscore" in the software´s admin control panel.
I am quite sure image quality is adjusted dynamically depending on upload speed. I observe that in MFC, and other videochat application like skype and msn do it too. In yahoo on the other hand framrate drops...ImWOW said:Thanks
Btw Mila, I wanted to ask you, Is there absolutely no good provider in country that you live? Good upload speed in a big part of a clear image.
You cannot opt completely out of Miss MFC, it will show a model as anonymous if she opts out, not completely remove her.
The camscore you see on a model's profile can be manually updated by editing the model's profile. Simply clicking "edit" then "save" works.
The camscore you see on a model's profile can be manually updated by editing the model's profile. Simply clicking "edit" then "save" works.
mica2022 said:
Besides the possibility that a model manually triggers her camscore´s update, what or when is the automatic update triggered? There are not only manual updates, otherwise a model who never edits her profile, will never have her camscore updated and that´s certainly not the case.
Amber is 100% correct...I will not name the model as I do not want to create a war and in general I do not talk about other models unless it is positive ...Amber knows who I am talking about and just having a look at the first row of the profiles it is easy to figure out ..this model 100% for sure will not be taken out of the top 20 ..and she would not be anonymous..... This month there was no anonymous model in the list ...I know Taty sometimes lists herself as anonymous as does LillCindy...but they both are not top 20...
My problem is that for some strange reason some models seem to be able to make 6000 point jumps in 2-3 days and this is not visible in tokens (read miss MFC) ....Please let anyone explain how a model standing behind me in cam rate ( -14.000) on the 7th of August ...Me getting over 300.000 tokens in less than 2 hours , jumping to 19.000 cam rate , stands in front of me 2 days later and she is not visible in the top 20 ????? I jumped to #2 with those tips ..Even if this model had not worked for 7 days > 300.000+ in tokens would have made her top 5...But it didn't ...
So the fact is > she has a deal with MFC > and that is WRONG...and I am very friendly now...because I can say some other words that come to mind... she is not an A-name porn star..hell I did way more porn than her and was famous in Germany a few years ago ..Maybe I should apply for European Alt Porn star status as well.. :-D
Giving porn stars inflated cam rates I can understand from a marketing point of view...from a regular cam girls point of view it is WRONG...
But now also giving MFC pet projects inflated cam rates just makes the whole cam rate issue laughable ...suck up enough and you get a better rate...the cam rate has become a marketing game as much as the top 20..... If you dig deep enough you will get a whole lot of dirt... Being top 20 or having a high cam rate has nothing to do anymore with public appeal ...you just have to know how to play the (marketing) game right....
My problem is that for some strange reason some models seem to be able to make 6000 point jumps in 2-3 days and this is not visible in tokens (read miss MFC) ....Please let anyone explain how a model standing behind me in cam rate ( -14.000) on the 7th of August ...Me getting over 300.000 tokens in less than 2 hours , jumping to 19.000 cam rate , stands in front of me 2 days later and she is not visible in the top 20 ????? I jumped to #2 with those tips ..Even if this model had not worked for 7 days > 300.000+ in tokens would have made her top 5...But it didn't ...
So the fact is > she has a deal with MFC > and that is WRONG...and I am very friendly now...because I can say some other words that come to mind... she is not an A-name porn star..hell I did way more porn than her and was famous in Germany a few years ago ..Maybe I should apply for European Alt Porn star status as well.. :-D
Giving porn stars inflated cam rates I can understand from a marketing point of view...from a regular cam girls point of view it is WRONG...
But now also giving MFC pet projects inflated cam rates just makes the whole cam rate issue laughable ...suck up enough and you get a better rate...the cam rate has become a marketing game as much as the top 20..... If you dig deep enough you will get a whole lot of dirt... Being top 20 or having a high cam rate has nothing to do anymore with public appeal ...you just have to know how to play the (marketing) game right....
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