ACF 2012 Presidential Election Poll

[LadyLuna]

Obama: We need to do ____ to make the economy grow
Republicans: YOU CAN'T DO THAT! Instead, take this compromise that doesn't even touch on what you were trying to do.

economy collapses

Republicans: SEE? Obama killed our economy!

 

[Bocefish]

 

[Just Me]

The SEALs are not happy with Bissonnette and his book. Fox News quoted one SEAL saying “How do we tell our guys to stay quiet when this guy won’t?” Other accounts have members of the SEALs going as far as calling him a “traitor.”

SEALs were reportedly upset at the white house talking so openly about the raid because it could expose operational tactics etc that might get SEALs killed. That was before one of them wrote a book on it without getting it checked to see if there was anything sensitive or classified that should be taken out. This guy, despite his service record, is using this to make a buck which is despicable. Anyone who's ever worked for the government knows they sign papers when they leave agreeing not to discuss anything they've done on the job without prior clearance. You really, REALLY think a DEVGRU member is going to be exempt from talking candidly about this? REALLY??

The whole point of the discussion was what SpecOps think about Obama, which is pretty clear by now.

It is a pointless point, and useless rhetoric. Is anyone really surprised that most military members usually support republicans? The military is not a representative sample of the US population. They are no better at critical thinking than the average American. They believe what they hear in the popular culture, that the republicans are better for defense. My experience and that of my late father who spent 27 years in the military, is that while the democrats are willing to cut defense spending they are generally better for the troops while the republicans are better for the military industrial complex.

 

[Just Me]

So now you are posting RNC ads as some kind of proof that Obama is a bad president? Really? What would you think and Republican National Committee ad would say? I have to say this is the most asinine thing I have seen you post here. At least with Fox News they are attempting to be "fair and balanced." (They fall woefully short) If this is what this thread has turned into I can certainly post all the DNC ads here about Romney if you want some counterpoint.

 

[BullFrogBlues]

Obama has led the worst recovery since WW2.

Good tools on the St. Louis Fed reserve site http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GDPC1/ look how deep the last recession was! Not refuting your Boce post, just showing it in graph form.

 

[Bocefish]

The SEALs are not happy with Bissonnette and his book. Fox News quoted one SEAL saying “How do we tell our guys to stay quiet when this guy won’t?” Other accounts have members of the SEALs going as far as calling him a “traitor.”

SEALs were reportedly upset at the white house talking so openly about the raid because it could expose operational tactics etc that might get SEALs killed. That was before one of them wrote a book on it without getting it checked to see if there was anything sensitive or classified that should be taken out. This guy, despite his service record, is using this to make a buck which is despicable. Anyone who's ever worked for the government knows they sign papers when they leave agreeing not to discuss anything they've done on the job without prior clearance. You really, REALLY think a DEVGRU member is going to be exempt from talking candidly about this? REALLY??

The whole point of the discussion was what SpecOps think about Obama, which is pretty clear by now.

It is a pointless point, and useless rhetoric. Is anyone really surprised that most military members usually support republicans? The military is not a representative sample of the US population. They are no better at critical thinking than the average American. They believe what they hear in the popular culture, that the republicans are better for defense. My experience and that of my late father who spent 27 years in the military, is that while the democrats are willing to cut defense spending they are generally better for the troops while the republicans are better for the military industrial complex.

A pointless point? We weren't discussing the military, it was about SpecOps. Maybe you should use some of that critical thinking and learn to pay attention to the discussion.

 

[Bocefish]

So now you are posting RNC ads as some kind of proof that Obama is a bad president? Really? What would you think and Republican National Committee ad would say? I have to say this is the most asinine thing I have seen you post here. At least with Fox News they are attempting to be "fair and balanced." (They fall woefully short) If this is what this thread has turned into I can certainly post all the DNC ads here about Romney if you want some counterpoint.

Once again, try to pay attention. It was in reply to LL's post highlighting how Obama has an excuse for everything while saying he doesn't make excuses.

 

[Just Me]

The SEALs are not happy with Bissonnette and his book. Fox News quoted one SEAL saying “How do we tell our guys to stay quiet when this guy won’t?” Other accounts have members of the SEALs going as far as calling him a “traitor.”

SEALs were reportedly upset at the white house talking so openly about the raid because it could expose operational tactics etc that might get SEALs killed. That was before one of them wrote a book on it without getting it checked to see if there was anything sensitive or classified that should be taken out. This guy, despite his service record, is using this to make a buck which is despicable. Anyone who's ever worked for the government knows they sign papers when they leave agreeing not to discuss anything they've done on the job without prior clearance. You really, REALLY think a DEVGRU member is going to be exempt from talking candidly about this? REALLY??

The whole point of the discussion was what SpecOps think about Obama, which is pretty clear by now.

It is a pointless point, and useless rhetoric. Is anyone really surprised that most military members usually support republicans? The military is not a representative sample of the US population. They are no better at critical thinking than the average American. They believe what they hear in the popular culture, that the republicans are better for defense. My experience and that of my late father who spent 27 years in the military, is that while the democrats are willing to cut defense spending they are generally better for the troops while the republicans are better for the military industrial complex.

A pointless point? We weren't discussing the military, it was about SpecOps. Maybe you should use some of that critical thinking and learn to pay attention to the discussion.

And since when have SpecOps not been a part of the military?

 

[Just Me]

So now you are posting RNC ads as some kind of proof that Obama is a bad president? Really? What would you think and Republican National Committee ad would say? I have to say this is the most asinine thing I have seen you post here. At least with Fox News they are attempting to be "fair and balanced." (They fall woefully short) If this is what this thread has turned into I can certainly post all the DNC ads here about Romney if you want some counterpoint.

Once again, try to pay attention. It was in reply to LL's post highlighting how Obama has an excuse for everything while saying he doesn't make excuses.

Doesn't matter. You posted an obviously biased source. If you like I can post a DNC television ad to every point you try to make. What would that accomplish?

 

[Bocefish]

The whole point of the discussion was what SpecOps think about Obama, which is pretty clear by now.

It is a pointless point, and useless rhetoric. Is anyone really surprised that most military members usually support republicans? The military is not a representative sample of the US population. They are no better at critical thinking than the average American. They believe what they hear in the popular culture, that the republicans are better for defense. My experience and that of my late father who spent 27 years in the military, is that while the democrats are willing to cut defense spending they are generally better for the troops while the republicans are better for the military industrial complex.

A pointless point? We weren't discussing the military, it was about SpecOps. Maybe you should use some of that critical thinking and learn to pay attention to the discussion.

And since when have SpecOps not been a part of the military?

There are also various non military intelligence agencies in SpecOps genius.

 

[Just Me]

When you point out where any but military SpecOps was talked about, you might have a point.

 

[Bocefish]

When you point out where any but military SpecOps was talked about, you might have a point.

Use some of that critical thinking you always talk about and you might find it.

 

[Just Me]

When you point out where any but military SpecOps was talked about, you might have a point.

Use some of that critical thinking you always talk about and you might find it.

Oh yes, as usual when you can not prove your point it is suddenly up to the other person. I can't prove a negative. :handgestures-salute:

 

[Nordling]

Strange turn of the thread. So, now you judge candidates by how he's liked by unique groups? So, I guess since the Teacher's Union dislikes Romney, that means we should vote for Obama? Or do you think soldiers and other military people have some kind of direct line to truth? If that were the case, no one would ever be elected but Republicans. I can guarantee that's not a winning argument.

 

[Just Me]

This thread needs some levity. :lol:

 

[Bocefish]

:lol: This is how the whole thing started...

Did you know what the elite special forces think about Obama?

No I don't, all that you show is what four former special ops officers want. By your reasoning if 4 former ACF members did the same thing that is what ACF members want.

 

[Just Me]

Strange turn of the thread. So, now you judge candidates by how he's liked by unique groups? So, I guess since the Teacher's Union dislikes Romney, that means we should vote for Obama? Or do you think soldiers and other military people have some kind of direct line to truth? If that were the case, no one would ever be elected but Republicans. I can guarantee that's not a winning argument.

We can add the UAW to that list. http://www.nationofchange.org/uaw-f...ney-his-auto-bail-out-profiteering-1351783724

 

[Bocefish]

When you point out where any but military SpecOps was talked about, you might have a point.

Use some of that critical thinking you always talk about and you might find it.

Oh yes, as usual when you can not prove your point it is suddenly up to the other person. I can't prove a negative. :handgestures-salute:

I already proved my point, I don't need to prove it twice just for you when you jump into the middle of things without going over what was posted first.

 

[Nordling]

When you point out where any but military SpecOps was talked about, you might have a point.

Use some of that critical thinking you always talk about and you might find it.

Oh yes, as usual when you can not prove your point it is suddenly up to the other person. I can't prove a negative. :handgestures-salute:

I already proved my point, I don't need to prove it twice just for you when you jump into the middle of things without going over what was posted first.

Big whoop. To prove something that isn't a point. Again--military people tend to vote Republican. I did too for a couple years after I separated from the Navy. Eventually, ex-military get their minds back.

*Note! This is not to take away from our brave warriors...but it IS to point out that while in the military folks tend to have a unique mindset...that may have nothing to do with reality. War is not the natural state of humans.

 

[Just Me]

When you point out where any but military SpecOps was talked about, you might have a point.

Use some of that critical thinking you always talk about and you might find it.

Oh yes, as usual when you can not prove your point it is suddenly up to the other person. I can't prove a negative. :handgestures-salute:

I already proved my point, I don't need to prove it twice just for you when you jump into the middle of things without going over what was posted first.

This is something I do not do. I read every post and not once was a SpecOps group outside the military ever mentioned. You jumped on my post claiming you were not discussing the military. If you are going to make a claim, the common courtesy is to back it up.

 

[Bocefish]

When you point out where any but military SpecOps was talked about, you might have a point.

Use some of that critical thinking you always talk about and you might find it.

Oh yes, as usual when you can not prove your point it is suddenly up to the other person. I can't prove a negative. :handgestures-salute:

I already proved my point, I don't need to prove it twice just for you when you jump into the middle of things without going over what was posted first.

This is something I do not do. I read every post and not once was a SpecOps group outside the military ever mentioned. You jumped on my post claiming you were not discussing the military. If you are going to make a claim, the common courtesy is to back it up.

This was where you jumped in and quoted me...

The SEALs are not happy with Bissonnette and his book. Fox News quoted one SEAL saying “How do we tell our guys to stay quiet when this guy won’t?” Other accounts have members of the SEALs going as far as calling him a “traitor.”

SEALs were reportedly upset at the white house talking so openly about the raid because it could expose operational tactics etc that might get SEALs killed. That was before one of them wrote a book on it without getting it checked to see if there was anything sensitive or classified that should be taken out. This guy, despite his service record, is using this to make a buck which is despicable. Anyone who's ever worked for the government knows they sign papers when they leave agreeing not to discuss anything they've done on the job without prior clearance. You really, REALLY think a DEVGRU member is going to be exempt from talking candidly about this? REALLY??

The whole point of the discussion was what SpecOps think about Obama, which is pretty clear by now.

The video includes several SpecOps non military personnel speaking out against Obama.

 

[Bocefish]

Carry on arguing amongst yourselves, I'm out.

 

[Nordling]

Very good. Now...so what?

 

[Jupiter551]

The whole point of the discussion was what SpecOps think about Obama, which is pretty clear by now.

Sorry I got to the bit where the woman says her son got "redeployed to heaven" and decided I had better things to do.

Please just point me to where any active duty SEALs went on the record dissing Obama. So far the only current military SOCOM and former SEAL I've seen speak about it was Admiral McRaven and he seemed to think Obama did ok on ordering that mission.

It sounds like y'all would rather live in a socialist country.

What's wrong with putting your society first? Luna and I say it and you call us socialists, but when Kennedy said "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" I expect you call it patriotism. Frankly, I don't give a damn what "ism" something is if it helps people. I don't remember anyone ever telling me selfishness was a virtue.

 

[LadyLuna]

Bocefish thinks my post was about Obama making excuses? My post was about Republicans blaming Obama for not doing things they prevented him from doing.

So I will put this a little more blatant:

-Man promises to do something
-Other men chain him to the fucking wall and throw the key in the ocean
-Other men call the man out for not being able to do what he said

Yup, it's really Obama's fault that the Republicans chained him to the wall

 

[Jupiter551]

Well since Bocefish has left the thread for good this time, let's break out our favourite pro-Obama videos!

 

[Anonymous]

Oh, like this edumacation is a great thing Thank you

It's interesting and kinda funny watching you and Bocefish throw around slang phrases, such as 'edumacation' and 'drinking the Kool-Aid' when speaking about the president of the United States.....

 

[Nordling]

Well since Bocefish has left the thread for good this time, let's break out our favourite pro-Obama videos!

He'll be back...he always comes back.

 

[Nordling]

Oh, like this edumacation is a great thing Thank you

It's interesting and kinda funny watching you and Bocefish throw around slang phrases, such as 'edumacation' and 'drinking the Kool-Aid' when speaking about the president of the United States.....

Exactly. The one person who whines constantly about OTHER people's "lack of respect" has no apparent respect for the office of the President. Of course if the President was a right winger, he'd be demanding we respect him.

 

[Nordling]

Sorry this is still a point that needs to be thought of prior to your voting. Here is a youtube video that pretty much explains my feelings. http://youtu.be/JEhvF8b8Mrg.

I don't like dealing in plumbing issues. I prefer to pay someone else to deal with the excrement, You would think that a plumbing business would be recession proof.

Since we only have one side of this story, we really don't know the particulars of why that particular franchise failed, but we DO know that the parent company, Mr. Rooter, seems to be doing pretty well in the Great Recession:

At the start of 2010 Mr. Rooter Plumbing was included in the 2nd Annual "AllBusiness AllStar Franchises" list.[2] The "AllBusiness AllStar Franchises" list is compiled by Dun & Bradstreet's subsidiary AllBusiness.com, and ranks the top 300 franchises in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Rooter

http://www.mrrooter.com/