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Dutch troops deployed to both Afghanistan and IraqZoomer said:Well, guess once the US pulls out of Afghanistan and Iraq it can go and teach those dirty Dutch how to live their lives correctly
Meh... I don't give a fuck about your tradition personally. We have plenty of issues right here in the US of A to worry about. Wait... maybe Dutch troops should come over here and fix our problems.Zoomer said:Well, guess once the US pulls out of Afghanistan and Iraq it can go and teach those dirty Dutch how to live their lives correctly
Yup I don't care about the tradition either on a personal level, but it IS unarguably racist. You guys WILL have to change it sooner or later, and just realise there's nothing wrong with admitting a racist tradition, unless you choose to perpetuate and deny it.
1) I'm not Dutch.
2) Whether Dutch troops are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan has little bearing upon the running joke that if a country does not conform to a US desired circumstance/situation - you invade to force the desired outcome
There was a smiley on it for a reason Jup... and trying to score points wasn't the reason, unlike your response
It was an attempt to make a very obvious light hearted joke as, in all honesty, the ranting about racism and more in this thread is just a tad bit on the over reactionary side. Hence the "well, you could always invade to correct their affront to US sensibilities".
Sadly it appears the idea of a light joke was lost in translation
2) Whether Dutch troops are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan has little bearing upon the running joke that if a country does not conform to a US desired circumstance/situation - you invade to force the desired outcome
There was a smiley on it for a reason Jup... and trying to score points wasn't the reason, unlike your response
It was an attempt to make a very obvious light hearted joke as, in all honesty, the ranting about racism and more in this thread is just a tad bit on the over reactionary side. Hence the "well, you could always invade to correct their affront to US sensibilities".
Sadly it appears the idea of a light joke was lost in translation
Uhh, yes, I did actually get that you weren't serious about invading the Netherlands. Who exactly did you think I was trying to score points with? Also where are the racist rants? Not from me - I said I specifically DON'T think the Dutch are racist, but the tradition is. And it is, you can deny it, but you'd be completely full of shit.
So as I see every year there's plenty of christmas themed 'porn' produced - everything from female santa claus models to ones with antlers, to full blown hardcore scenes with dudes wearing big white beards...I couldn't help wondering if there was a Dutch niche porn area featuring Zwart Piets lol
So as I see every year there's plenty of christmas themed 'porn' produced - everything from female santa claus models to ones with antlers, to full blown hardcore scenes with dudes wearing big white beards...I couldn't help wondering if there was a Dutch niche porn area featuring Zwart Piets lol
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here you go... http://www.pornofilmpjes.nl/video/1815/ ... -verwennen
editted to add: i'm totally disgusted...
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Looking a hot mess with all that "soot" on his face...lol.....
And that kinda sucks when a guy in a PORNO (after having his cock sucked) has to spend that much time jerking off in order to cum.
And that kinda sucks when a guy in a PORNO (after having his cock sucked) has to spend that much time jerking off in order to cum.
TashaDutch said:
lol bravo on finding it, I knew it had to exist
Wierd, the soot on his legs and hands came off really easily but not his face lol
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Maybe he didn't spend enough time in the chimney
This was the worst amateur porn i saw in years..
but it was the only one i found, that i didn't need to pay for
Jupiter551 said:TashaDutch said:
lol bravo on finding it, I knew it had to exist
Wierd, the soot on his legs and hands came off really easily but not his face lol
Maybe he didn't spend enough time in the chimney
This was the worst amateur porn i saw in years..
but it was the only one i found, that i didn't need to pay for
lol I found an 11 second one with a female zwart piet!
It's actually kind of surreal when it pans up from her white body to the face lol http://www.dutchxtube.com/video/20593/zwarte-piet-bij-handyman
It's actually kind of surreal when it pans up from her white body to the face lol http://www.dutchxtube.com/video/20593/zwarte-piet-bij-handyman
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Jupiter551 said:
ok.. ok... a bit better... but still.. 11 secondes.. wtf
i really don't get how the dutch are still able to make soo much money off phonesex, camsites and pornsites.. everything costs money
there's a nightshow where fully dressed girls touch themselfs.. and you pay like 80 cents per minute to be one of the 10 callers that 'might' get through
how does this work out when there's mfc, streamate, and youporn...
hahaah yeah I dunno...I think the 11 seconds was a teaser to a full video, I guess if you really want this kind of thing and there's nothing free out there you pay lolTashaDutch said:Jupiter551 said:
ok.. ok... a bit better... but still.. 11 secondes.. wtf
i really don't get how the dutch are still able to make soo much money off phonesex, camsites and pornsites.. everything costs money
there's a nightshow where fully dressed girls touch themselfs.. and you pay like 80 cents per minute to be one of the 10 callers that 'might' get through
how does this work out when there's mfc, streamate, and youporn...
And now collective white Holland, left and right, is upset the UN might acknowledge we're a bunch of racists.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2013/10/un_investigates_racist_stereot.php
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2013/10/un_investigates_racist_stereot.php
Wha?! I can't even go to a industry board without running into the whole Zwarte Piet fiasco.
Someone shoot me. :shock:
Someone shoot me. :shock:
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Yeah, I was wondering why this old, strange thread (with a misleading title) got bumped back up...lol.
Breaking news !!!
The steamer with Sinterklaas, which is now on its way from Spain to Holland, sailed through a rainbow !!!
Now a lot of the Zwarte Pieten are not black anymore ! Rumors are some have other colors now !!!
I will keep you updated about this major event !!! Stay tuned !!!
The steamer with Sinterklaas, which is now on its way from Spain to Holland, sailed through a rainbow !!!
Now a lot of the Zwarte Pieten are not black anymore ! Rumors are some have other colors now !!!
I will keep you updated about this major event !!! Stay tuned !!!
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They did that a couple of years ago too! it's cute! but it will not settle the discussion, might even encourage it further.
(and just a tiny bit of self promotion here, I'm doing a sinterklaas theme in my room, with presents and kruidnoten and such :whistle: )
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I'm glad this thread is being revived just in time for Thanksgiving! It seems very fitting that we get all huff and puff about other cultures putting on black-face right around the time of year we throw feathers on our kids' heads, slap on the war paint and sit down to stuff our faces and be thankful we were on the "winning" side of that genocide. There's a really tasteless joke about a pot and a kettle in here somewhere... I'm not even gonna touch that.
While it may be fun to point fingers at cultural differences and get infuriated at the "intolerance" and "racism" in other cultures, it is just as "intolerant" and "racist" to not respect our differences and diversities. It is belittling to Dutch culture to mock their traditions simply because they don't mesh up with the contemporary, bleached American consumerist-based amalgam of myths that we choose to celebrate.
Anything is offensive if you look at it hard enough. Why is Santa white? Why has he enslaved "little people" (Are they elves? Are they not real people? Are they children?) to do all his work for him? What does his wife's role play in all this? Why must she just wait on him hand and foot? That's pretty sexist... HOW DO THE REINDEER FUCKING FLY?!
Every culture has it's dark past; a foundation of blood, violence and oppression. Dutch are not immune to that, Americans are not immune to that, that is just the cold reality of human history. What the focus *should* be on is the present, the core of the myth, the morals being taught through tradition, the values that these stories teach which are the sole reason why these traditions persist.
We must not forget the atrocities of the past, but rather learn from them and progress into the future. Forcing a culture to adapt their traditions to a "superior" ideology is simply oppressive and intolerant. No one is hurt by these stories and they persist for a reason. They are not being told as a way of indoctrinating a new generation of slave owners any more than the Americanized Christmas story would be inciting a wave of mass enslavement of children or dwarves.
Just live and let live. Our cultural differences are what make this planet beautiful, let's try to focus on and respect that.
With that said, the choice is really in the hands of the individual. The core morals and values of pretty much every holiday around this time of year are doing the right thing, being kind to each other, coming together, etc. If you guys want scramble for more reasons to get upset at each other that's definitely an option, just not really one I personally would prefer to take. There's enough negativity in the world to go around, we really don't need to create more.
Happy holidays, everyone! :romance-heart:
While it may be fun to point fingers at cultural differences and get infuriated at the "intolerance" and "racism" in other cultures, it is just as "intolerant" and "racist" to not respect our differences and diversities. It is belittling to Dutch culture to mock their traditions simply because they don't mesh up with the contemporary, bleached American consumerist-based amalgam of myths that we choose to celebrate.
Anything is offensive if you look at it hard enough. Why is Santa white? Why has he enslaved "little people" (Are they elves? Are they not real people? Are they children?) to do all his work for him? What does his wife's role play in all this? Why must she just wait on him hand and foot? That's pretty sexist... HOW DO THE REINDEER FUCKING FLY?!
Every culture has it's dark past; a foundation of blood, violence and oppression. Dutch are not immune to that, Americans are not immune to that, that is just the cold reality of human history. What the focus *should* be on is the present, the core of the myth, the morals being taught through tradition, the values that these stories teach which are the sole reason why these traditions persist.
We must not forget the atrocities of the past, but rather learn from them and progress into the future. Forcing a culture to adapt their traditions to a "superior" ideology is simply oppressive and intolerant. No one is hurt by these stories and they persist for a reason. They are not being told as a way of indoctrinating a new generation of slave owners any more than the Americanized Christmas story would be inciting a wave of mass enslavement of children or dwarves.
Just live and let live. Our cultural differences are what make this planet beautiful, let's try to focus on and respect that.
With that said, the choice is really in the hands of the individual. The core morals and values of pretty much every holiday around this time of year are doing the right thing, being kind to each other, coming together, etc. If you guys want scramble for more reasons to get upset at each other that's definitely an option, just not really one I personally would prefer to take. There's enough negativity in the world to go around, we really don't need to create more.
Happy holidays, everyone! :romance-heart:
Well said DeezNA. My post of David Sadaris's comical exploration of the Dutch tradition story of Sinterklaas was not meant to poke fun at the Dutch in particular, but rather at the hilarity of absurdity where ever it is found. Though posting an abridged version of his story that cut 5 or 6 minutes off the front end might have been a bad idea, and lead to the idea that it was only Dutch absurdity that he, (and therefore I), had wished to poke fun at. The full version starts with the absurdity of many ppls, and in particular those of the Americans, before it comes to the story of Sinterklaas. The last few minutes of the full version are spent as David grows a bit jealous of not having, as an American, a story of christmas as absurd as that of the Dutch, but then he remembers the American absurdities that he started his story with, and all is well again. I will post the full version to follow, so you can see for yourself if you care to. I will follow that with a second D. Sadaris story about some of the absurdities of the story of easter, this time poking fun at the French as well as the Americans.
What both comedy D. Sadaris stories have in common is that they both examine the non religious traditional stories told by different ppl in different places. I am of the opinion that the traditional religious stories bear as much absurdity as any, but Sadaris was wise enough to steer clear of those, as I imagine he really had no desire to insult anyone.
And BTW, I have for many years told myself a get even story for Miss Claus in which she and all the little toy makes have one heel of a two day orgy every year, but that's just the perve in me - but my, what a hot vision.
What both comedy D. Sadaris stories have in common is that they both examine the non religious traditional stories told by different ppl in different places. I am of the opinion that the traditional religious stories bear as much absurdity as any, but Sadaris was wise enough to steer clear of those, as I imagine he really had no desire to insult anyone.
And BTW, I have for many years told myself a get even story for Miss Claus in which she and all the little toy makes have one heel of a two day orgy every year, but that's just the perve in me - but my, what a hot vision.
Nowt more absurd than Easter. It's a time of year where as a 30 year old man, I get excited at the prospect of eating chocolate eggs purportedly left in my basket by a giant, super-intelligent bunny rabbit as a reminder of the death and resurrection of Christ.
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