...or so they say, but nobody will admit to needing it. :lol:
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WTF!?! Why Do Teachers Need Tax Payer Funded Viagra?
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If I had a daughter in that school district, I'd be really concerned if her male teacher was using Viagra. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
It is my personal opinion that it if a doctor prescribes a medication, that it should be covered by medical insurance! PERIOD! Sexual dysfunction in particular is a slippery slope. Viagra and the like may seem like a recreational/non necessary drug, but take away someones sex ability completely and see what other problems follow. Depression? Failed marriage? That leads straight to counciling and more drugs (of the anti-depressant variety). Then what happens when anti-depressant medication is deemed as optional and not a necessity? You got pissed off teachers going to work every day deciding if they'll bring the AK-47 to work with them and end it all.
Secondly, it is NEVER right to expect MORE from an employee and ask them to take less. 400 teachers in one district being laid off? I am certain tha the workload that once REQUIRED those 400 people isn't diminished! Those teacher who still have their job are simply expected to split the load. Not only that, their medical coverage is getting fucked around too! There comes a time when we as employees need to take a stand when "the man" starts taking things away. If not, they'll take EVERYTHING before you even realize it.
I don't see ANYONE in Washington giving up ANYTHING in reguards to their benefits; benefits that are also funded 100% by our tax dollars!
Secondly, it is NEVER right to expect MORE from an employee and ask them to take less. 400 teachers in one district being laid off? I am certain tha the workload that once REQUIRED those 400 people isn't diminished! Those teacher who still have their job are simply expected to split the load. Not only that, their medical coverage is getting fucked around too! There comes a time when we as employees need to take a stand when "the man" starts taking things away. If not, they'll take EVERYTHING before you even realize it.
I don't see ANYONE in Washington giving up ANYTHING in reguards to their benefits; benefits that are also funded 100% by our tax dollars!
Freq said:
Those bastards in Washington are a whole different can of worms. :evil:
This is about a school board being sued to reinstate a decision made 5 years ago due to financial constraints. Somehow they managed without it being paid for all those years without even bringing one assault weapon to school. In this dismal employment environment these teachers are trying to get free sex enhancement drugs. I call BS! If they need it that bad, they can pay for it them damn selves from their $40K and up salary. What we have here is just another union trying to milk the taxpayers for everything they can.
They already HAVE AKs for safety reasons (atleast where I'm from). All I am saying is that a deteriorating quality of life caused by a bunch of gits with ZERO medical expertise making descisions about what what is and what isn't medically necessary could very well lead to psychological problems, which in turn could lead to someone eventually going ape-shit!RufffRider said:
How did man ever survive without Viagra and somehow NOT go completely apeshit? 
They can always find another job if the they don't like the substantial fucking healthcare plan being provided for them! If there wasn't such a major financial crisis, it would be a different story.
Viagra was originally meant as a heart medication anyway, the boner benefit is just a side effect. A 30 day supply is $600 for those that truly NEED it.
The sense of entitlement today is redonkulous.
They can always find another job if the they don't like the substantial fucking healthcare plan being provided for them! If there wasn't such a major financial crisis, it would be a different story.
Viagra was originally meant as a heart medication anyway, the boner benefit is just a side effect. A 30 day supply is $600 for those that truly NEED it.
The sense of entitlement today is redonkulous.
Bocefish said:How did man ever survive without Viagra and somehow NOT go completely apeshit?
They can always find another job if the they don't like the substantial fucking healthcare plan being provided for them! If there wasn't such a major financial crisis, it would be a different story.
Viagra was originally meant as a heart medication anyway, the boner benefit is just a side effect. A 30 day supply is $600 for those that truly NEED it.
The sense of entitlement today is redonkulous.
ENTITLEMENT?!? If anything TEACHERS, doctors, nurses, police, and military are ENTITLED. They ALL get shit on on a daily basis, are underpaid and underappreciated by the masses (myself NOT included). I would definately sleep better knowing that these professionals are well taken care of and have NEVER voted against bond issues pretaining to such actions. They can go find another job if they don't like it? HAVE YOU TRIED THAT LATELY?
I don't want to get personal Boce, but why are you so bitter? How would you like it if your employer came to you and said" Well, sorry but sales sucked this month. We're taking away your dental coverage because we're short on cash and it's too damn expensive and dental hygene is a LUXURY not a necessity?" Even though the company had no problems taking care of such luxuries for the past 10 years? "If you don't like it you can go work for somebody else!"
Pardon me for sympathizing with a group of people who ALREADY don't get a fair amount for the job they do.
My point is clear on the subject.
Since you brought it up, I am a little bitter due the current state of our nation after serving my country well and being medically discharged in a time of war.
However, you seem far more bitter than I for some reason.
If you want to get more personal, let's do it via PM and spare everyone else.
Freq said:
Since you brought it up, I am a little bitter due the current state of our nation after serving my country well and being medically discharged in a time of war.
However, you seem far more bitter than I for some reason.
If you want to get more personal, let's do it via PM and spare everyone else.
I would do a teachers job just for the medical coverage honestly. I'd be better off than I am now. I make too much on unemployment to get state medical coverage but yet I now spend most of my money on medical issues and the rest on food for the most part.
If anyone has ever played Simcity4, they know to get a better city, you need better schools.
i remeber cutting every thing i could and pumping the schools for 15 years, the game just got easy.
Now why would that matter? Better schools bring better jobs, if people are making more money then you get more tax's.
School teachers should get payed 100k a year. This is so you get the best minds teaching our young. It makes teaching competitive with other job that require a high level of learning.
And hell lets give them as much sex as passable. would you want a teacher fondling a girl because he cant get his rocks off?
i remeber cutting every thing i could and pumping the schools for 15 years, the game just got easy.
Now why would that matter? Better schools bring better jobs, if people are making more money then you get more tax's.
School teachers should get payed 100k a year. This is so you get the best minds teaching our young. It makes teaching competitive with other job that require a high level of learning.
And hell lets give them as much sex as passable. would you want a teacher fondling a girl because he cant get his rocks off?
I am with Freq on this. First teachers have very difficult jobs. They do have excellent health coverage but that is only because they sacrificed pay increases for better benefits in contract negotiations. Now they are simply fighting a pay cut.
Bocefish when you enlisted you agreed to a contract where you were offered certain benefits in exchange for your service. It would be unfair to change the terms of that contract now. Its the same for the teachers.
Taxpayer representatives negotiated these contracts. Nobody is being ripped off. I suppose if there was no union we could pay teachers $10/hour and shitty benefits. I bet that would be great for everyone damn UNION!
Also would you make the same argument about fertility treatment being covered. If so kudos. If not its a double standard.
Bocefish when you enlisted you agreed to a contract where you were offered certain benefits in exchange for your service. It would be unfair to change the terms of that contract now. Its the same for the teachers.
Taxpayer representatives negotiated these contracts. Nobody is being ripped off. I suppose if there was no union we could pay teachers $10/hour and shitty benefits. I bet that would be great for everyone damn UNION!
Also would you make the same argument about fertility treatment being covered. If so kudos. If not its a double standard.
OK, here are the FACTS as I know them from newspapers:
Board and union negotiators reached a deal in 2002 to cover six tablets per month for erectile dysfunction drugs in health plans that insure 10,000 employees, dependents and retirees.
They quickly became very popular.
By 2004, the number of claimants receiving prescriptions skyrocketed to more than 1,000 per year, costing the district $207,000. During negotiations in 2005, the board proposed eliminating the benefit and an arbitrator adopted the plan.
The union in 2008 filed a sex discrimination complaint with the state. In June, the Labor and Industry Review Commission ruled the union couldn't pursue the case without identifying employees who have been injured by the policy and the complaint was filed after the statute of limitations expired.
The union is asking a Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to overturn that decision and declare the policy violates the Wisconsin Fair Employment Act. A ruling isn't expected for months.
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Why did it take 3 years to file a complaint?
How did they ever do their job before 2002?
From what I understand, penile pumps and implants, along with vaginal cream, anti-bacterial medicine and estrogen replacement medication for female sexual dysfunction are still covered.
If my math is correct, that's $65K a year, not a bad salary for a teacher. They can pitch their own tents from their own pockets and leave the tax payers out of their recreational sex lives.
Board and union negotiators reached a deal in 2002 to cover six tablets per month for erectile dysfunction drugs in health plans that insure 10,000 employees, dependents and retirees.
They quickly became very popular.
By 2004, the number of claimants receiving prescriptions skyrocketed to more than 1,000 per year, costing the district $207,000. During negotiations in 2005, the board proposed eliminating the benefit and an arbitrator adopted the plan.
The union in 2008 filed a sex discrimination complaint with the state. In June, the Labor and Industry Review Commission ruled the union couldn't pursue the case without identifying employees who have been injured by the policy and the complaint was filed after the statute of limitations expired.
The union is asking a Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to overturn that decision and declare the policy violates the Wisconsin Fair Employment Act. A ruling isn't expected for months.
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Why did it take 3 years to file a complaint?
How did they ever do their job before 2002?
From what I understand, penile pumps and implants, along with vaginal cream, anti-bacterial medicine and estrogen replacement medication for female sexual dysfunction are still covered.
If my math is correct, that's $65K a year, not a bad salary for a teacher. They can pitch their own tents from their own pockets and leave the tax payers out of their recreational sex lives.
Weather Viagra is recreational or not is an issue. I admit that there is sure to be abuse. However there are many medical conditions that cause importance and many medicines that have importance as a side effect. I am sure the pills spiked in popularity once people knew they worked. I just don't see how it is logical to separate sexual health from other health care.
First of all, I find this negligible to say the least. The number of male teachers in general is pathetically low and the average salary seems high enough that most people would say the teachers should buy it themselves. I don't know about the state in question, but that's waaaay higher than the average teacher salary here in SC. Truth of the matter is it sounds like the school district would be able to hire what? 1 new teacher per school in their district by eliminating this expense? Can they say how it will impact the teachers currently benefiting from the fact it is covered to accurately measure the cons of revoking coverage of these so-called recreational drugs? I have a feeling more money is going to be wasted defending the revocation of this coverage than will be saved by its implementation initially and who is to say what long-term effects it will have.
So here's my line of questioning for consideration.
1. Do you care if health care provided by businesses cover prescriptions for drugs that treat erectile dysfunction?
2. If you said no to the previous question, what makes it a big difference for public school teachers?
3. If you said it was because it's tax payer funded, what about the health care being provided for legislators which is even better than what teachers get?
Finally, I will point out that almost any health care that covers ED drugs is funded by "us" as either tax payers or consumers and while it is true that you can choose whose products and services you buy more than whether or not you pay taxes, I think it is fucking hilarious that we are going to punish public school teachers simply because it's tax dollars and those two words together get people all riled up. The truth of the matter is that no one gets rich being a teacher and yet most teachers are in positions where their mental and sexual health impacting their job performance is more critical than so many other tax payer funded positions. Those other positions often get better pay and better health care than teachers do too. If this shit is going to keep rolling down hill, at the very least it needs to be done at a state level, not a school district level. Otherwise this is just fucking around with people who I think get fucked around with enough.
So here's my line of questioning for consideration.
1. Do you care if health care provided by businesses cover prescriptions for drugs that treat erectile dysfunction?
2. If you said no to the previous question, what makes it a big difference for public school teachers?
3. If you said it was because it's tax payer funded, what about the health care being provided for legislators which is even better than what teachers get?
Finally, I will point out that almost any health care that covers ED drugs is funded by "us" as either tax payers or consumers and while it is true that you can choose whose products and services you buy more than whether or not you pay taxes, I think it is fucking hilarious that we are going to punish public school teachers simply because it's tax dollars and those two words together get people all riled up. The truth of the matter is that no one gets rich being a teacher and yet most teachers are in positions where their mental and sexual health impacting their job performance is more critical than so many other tax payer funded positions. Those other positions often get better pay and better health care than teachers do too. If this shit is going to keep rolling down hill, at the very least it needs to be done at a state level, not a school district level. Otherwise this is just fucking around with people who I think get fucked around with enough.
Screw it all. I say lets get some tax payer funded MFC tokens for these ED sufferers to spend on my group shows. I've been told I'm a good replacement for Viagra.
I am completely supportive of the Public Assistance for Cam-Whore Stimulation Act of 2010. Be sure to call your member of congress before it's to late. Lets end the dominance of Big-Pharma in the boner game.
PACWSA? Seems a bit wordy to me and not a catchy acronym.
I suggest it be renamed Benefits in Order to Nullify Erectile Dysfunction.
I suggest it be renamed Benefits in Order to Nullify Erectile Dysfunction.
Finally I like to point out the cam models do not enjoy any benefits. Zero social security. No work - no pay. It seems a bit unfair to me to argue with someone, not enjoying any security, about tax-payer funded viagra...?
Also, the common good of 12 more employed teachers outweights the good of tax-payer funded viagra. It is not that teachers who want viagra are denied them. They can pay themselves. On the other hand, the unemployed teachers have no choice. Them is being employed denied? And instead fund viagra pills?
Having said that, I fully support tax-payer funded MFC tokens...but please in Germany, too! :-D
I know already on whom, I am going to spend them...
But let´s call it the "Tokens make me happy" Act :lol:
Also, the common good of 12 more employed teachers outweights the good of tax-payer funded viagra. It is not that teachers who want viagra are denied them. They can pay themselves. On the other hand, the unemployed teachers have no choice. Them is being employed denied? And instead fund viagra pills?
Having said that, I fully support tax-payer funded MFC tokens...but please in Germany, too! :-D
I know already on whom, I am going to spend them...
But let´s call it the "Tokens make me happy" Act :lol:
mica2022 said:
Exactly!
In addition FYI:
I'm in favor of government funded ED treatment for people that TRULY need it, such as post-op prostate patients, severe diabetics, MS sufferers, etcetera. The school's tax payer funded program was clearly being abused and correctly halted. Proper medical screening and prescribing seems to be the key here.
Bocefish said:
Obvious statement is blatantly obvious? And as I said, if it's going to be changed, it needs to be the same across the board for all state-funded insurance plans.
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