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Do you think women should have the same combat role options as men?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 78.7%
  • No

    Votes: 8 13.1%
  • Other (Please explain)

    Votes: 5 8.2%

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Isabella_deL said:
some of the issues brought up are true, I really don't like the article. She's bringing up all these problems as though they're problems that happen solely with women and will always happen with women.

Well... that's because the topic IS all about women in combat infantry.

Isabella_deL said:
The menstrual thing, well, that's true, but it's also fixable. There are many pills and forms of birth control which can control or completely stop periods and the issues that go with them, these would also stop women from getting pregnant during their time away.

It's a FACT women get yeast infections, bacterial vaginitis, UTI's... even when normal hygeine facilities are readily available. Add the mission constraints of a combat infantry unit and that likelihood goes way up.

Isabella_deL said:
The sex thing, well, them having sex with each other is better than what does happen which is the enemy sends prostitutes into the sites with STI's. This does happen and though I think most men stay away, there are also many men who give in. This is something I know from a long term marine friend.

Military women have also prostituted themself out to fellow soldiers just to make extra money too, they also get STIs and end up affecting mission capability. Combat infantry units don't need any unnecessary sexual tension distractions, relationship/jealousy issues, a possible pregnancy or any other issues when fellow soldiers' lives are on the line. I had a female in my squad that intentionally got pregnant just so she could get out of her current assignment, it happens.

Isabella_deL said:
As for her saying how a woman might have to stop and pee/stop everyone else, well surely that's exactly the same for a man?! I know that I can hold it far better than any man can and that seems to be the case for most women I know. Sure I can't pee standing up, but they have invented that she-wee thing, and swatting really doesn't take long. I'm quicker than a man definitely.

You're quicker than a man? :lol: So you can just open your fly, whizz and be done? You fail to realize the amount of combat gear each soldier is wearing. A female having to pee is more comparable to the time it takes a guy to take a shit, which is considerably longer due to all the gear females have to shed. Also, are you willing to drop your drawers and hang your ass out right there in front of your male squad members?


Isabella_deL said:
The strength thing, well, chances are most women won't have the same sort of upper body strength as men, but many women pack enormous amounts of power in their legs, more so than a man might.

The majority of infantry tasks require upper body strength, lifting, pulling, pushing, etc.
 
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Red7227 said:
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Peacetime volunteer armies are full of the scum of society. ... Its bad enough when its all male, but being a woman where your expected to give blow jobs and fuck to get what other people are getting just for asking, its going to get pretty old really fast.

Are things really that bad in the Australian Army?

In the USA, the peacetime Army is nothing like that. In fact, soldiers are, on average, more intelligent and better educated than the populace as a whole. And there is not "blow job" requirement.

Quality tends to drop a bit during when we fight stupid wars and have to lower standards to get enough volunteers (e.g. the Iraq war) or when we go to conscription (e.g. Vietnam).
 
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lexmark402003 said:
Red7227 said:
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Peacetime volunteer armies are full of the scum of society. ... Its bad enough when its all male, but being a woman where your expected to give blow jobs and fuck to get what other people are getting just for asking, its going to get pretty old really fast.

Are things really that bad in the Australian Army?

In the USA, the peacetime Army is nothing like that. In fact, soldiers are, on average, more intelligent and better educated than the populace as a whole. And there is not "blow job" requirement.

Quality tends to drop a bit during when we fight stupid wars and have to lower standards to get enough volunteers (e.g. the Iraq war) or when we go to conscription (e.g. Vietnam).

Its the Brit army tradition that brutalisation builds character modified for the new age. I've deal with US troops and they are very poor in comparison, so it must work.
 
lexmark402003 said:
Red7227 said:
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Peacetime volunteer armies are full of the scum of society. ... Its bad enough when its all male, but being a woman where your expected to give blow jobs and fuck to get what other people are getting just for asking, its going to get pretty old really fast.

Are things really that bad in the Australian Army?

In the USA, the peacetime Army is nothing like that. In fact, soldiers are, on average, more intelligent and better educated than the populace as a whole. And there is not "blow job" requirement.

Quality tends to drop a bit during when we fight stupid wars and have to lower standards to get enough volunteers (e.g. the Iraq war) or when we go to conscription (e.g. Vietnam).


http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/ ... military/#
 
Let me start by saying that i have served in Afghanistan as an infantryman and this is just my opinion based on my experiences, i only did what i did and saw what i saw, some had it a lot better than me and some had it much worse. Women are already put in combat situations ie: they go "outside the wire" and complete missions in hostile areas. However women are not allowed to be in the combat arms MOS's ie: infantryman, field artillery, cavalry scout, special forces, tanker or anything to do with firing missiles really. I have no problem with women serving in a combat arms MOS, but i believe it would have to be a segregated type of thing at least in the infantry. Unit cohesion is a huge thing in the infantry doubly so while deployed, its hard enough to get along with forty or so guys for months at a time when any living space is at a premium, personal space can be measured by the cot you sleep on, showers are only doable every few days, sexist as it may be women would only compound the already dramatic lifestyle of the infantryman. In case anyone is interested my usual load of gear weighed about 100lbs and sometimes up to 140lbs.
 
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Red7227 said:
lexmark402003 said:
Red7227 said:
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Peacetime volunteer armies are full of the scum of society. ... Its bad enough when its all male, but being a woman where your expected to give blow jobs and fuck to get what other people are getting just for asking, its going to get pretty old really fast.

Are things really that bad in the Australian Army?

In the USA, the peacetime Army is nothing like that. In fact, soldiers are, on average, more intelligent and better educated than the populace as a whole. And there is not "blow job" requirement.

Quality tends to drop a bit during when we fight stupid wars and have to lower standards to get enough volunteers (e.g. the Iraq war) or when we go to conscription (e.g. Vietnam).

Its the Brit army tradition that brutalisation builds character modified for the new age. I've deal with US troops and they are very poor in comparison, so it must work.

Can you re-write that in English? Thanks.
 
Red7227 said:
lexmark402003 said:
Red7227 said:
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Peacetime volunteer armies are full of the scum of society. ... Its bad enough when its all male, but being a woman where your expected to give blow jobs and fuck to get what other people are getting just for asking, its going to get pretty old really fast.

Are things really that bad in the Australian Army?

In the USA, the peacetime Army is nothing like that. In fact, soldiers are, on average, more intelligent and better educated than the populace as a whole. And there is not "blow job" requirement.

Quality tends to drop a bit during when we fight stupid wars and have to lower standards to get enough volunteers (e.g. the Iraq war) or when we go to conscription (e.g. Vietnam).


http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/ ... military/#

The fact that President Obama signed a politically motivated bill (that will change almost nothing, btw) does not change my original statement.

US military personnel are, on average, better educated and more intelligent than those in the general populace of similar age.
 
Red7227 said:
lexmark402003 said:
Red7227 said:
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Peacetime volunteer armies are full of the scum of society. ... Its bad enough when its all male, but being a woman where your expected to give blow jobs and fuck to get what other people are getting just for asking, its going to get pretty old really fast.

Are things really that bad in the Australian Army?

In the USA, the peacetime Army is nothing like that. In fact, soldiers are, on average, more intelligent and better educated than the populace as a whole. And there is not "blow job" requirement.

Quality tends to drop a bit during when we fight stupid wars and have to lower standards to get enough volunteers (e.g. the Iraq war) or when we go to conscription (e.g. Vietnam).


http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/ ... military/#

Let me elaborate on my original statment. Contrary to what some erroneously believe, the US military does NOT take the bottom of the barrel. In peacetime, if you fall in the bottom 30% in intelligence, you have no chance of getting into the military even as an enlisted person.

You won't find the real bottom feeders as they won't meet the intelligence standards, they won't meet the educational standards (HS degree or, in rare cases, a GED), they won't meet the ethical standards (clean criminal record, no drug use, etc).

Officers, of course, are far more intelligent and well educated. All commissioned officers must have a 4-year college degree, and any field grade officer (Major and above) must have a graduate degree (Master's or higher).

Does that mean that you won't get some bad people? Of course not, in any large organization, there will be bad people, but the military is certainly not coming from the dregs of society. Most are solidly middle class.

FYI, I joined the military during peace time for the same reason many do- to get a college education (in my case, an ROTC scholarship, but the US military has all kinds of educational programs). I managed to get a BS in chemical engineering, and MEng in Env. Engineering and an MBA from some of the best universities in the world. During peace time, the military is a great way to get an education.
 
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Officers, of course, are far more intelligent and well educated.

Of course that is your opinion, going to college does not always equal more smarts. When i joined (at 17) Im not sure what was on the list of things you could not get a waiver for but it must of been very short. Of course that is the opinion of a lowly not-as-intelligent-as-an-officer grunt.
 
Marine Corps Captain Katie Petronio:

I was a motivated, resilient second lieutenant when I deployed to Iraq for 10 months, traveling across the Marine area of operations (AO) and participating in numerous combat operations. Yet, due to the excessive amount of time I spent in full combat load, I was diagnosed with a severe case of restless leg syndrome. My spine had compressed on nerves in my lower back causing neuropathy which compounded the symptoms of restless leg syndrome. While this injury has certainly not been enjoyable, Iraq was a pleasant experience compared to the experiences I endured during my deployment to Afghanistan. At the beginning of my tour in Helmand Province, I was physically capable of conducting combat operations for weeks at a time, remaining in my gear for days if necessary and averaging 16-hour days of engineering operations in the heart of Sangin, one of the most kinetic and challenging AOs in the country. There were numerous occasions where I was sent to a grid coordinate and told to build a PB from the ground up, serving not only as the mission commander but also the base commander until the occupants (infantry units) arrived 5 days later. In most of these situations, I had a sergeant as my assistant commander, and the remainder of my platoon consisted of young, motivated NCOs. I was the senior Marine making the final decisions on construction concerns, along with 24-hour base defense and leading 30 Marines at any given time. The physical strain of enduring combat operations and the stress of being responsible for the lives and well-being of such a young group in an extremely kinetic environment were compounded by lack of sleep, which ultimately took a physical toll on my body that I couldn’t have foreseen.

By the fifth month into the deployment, I had muscle atrophy in my thighs that was causing me to constantly trip and my legs to buckle with the slightest grade change. My agility during firefights and mobility on and off vehicles and perimeter walls was seriously hindering my response time and overall capability. It was evident that stress and muscular deterioration was affecting everyone regardless of gender; however, the rate of my deterioration was noticeably faster than that of male Marines and further compounded by gender-specific medical conditions. At the end of the 7-month deployment, and the construction of 18 PBs later, I had lost 17 pounds and was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome (which personally resulted in infertility, but is not a genetic trend in my family), which was brought on by the chemical and physical changes endured during deployment. Regardless of my deteriorating physical stature, I was extremely successful during both of my combat tours, serving beside my infantry brethren and gaining the respect of every unit I supported. Regardless, I can say with 100 percent assurance that despite my accomplishments, there is no way I could endure the physical demands of the infantrymen whom I worked beside as their combat load and constant deployment cycle would leave me facing medical separation long before the option of retirement. I understand that everyone is affected differently; however, I am confident that should the Marine Corps attempt to fully integrate women into the infantry, we as an institution are going to experience a colossal increase in crippling and career-ending medical conditions for females.



- See more at: http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/arti ... cSY4N.dpuf
 
Bocefish said:
Marine Corps Captain Katie Petronio:

I was a motivated, resilient second lieutenant when I deployed to Iraq for 10 months, traveling across the Marine area of operations (AO) and participating in numerous combat operations. Yet, due to the excessive amount of time I spent in full combat load, I was diagnosed with a severe case of restless leg syndrome. My spine had compressed on nerves in my lower back causing neuropathy which compounded the symptoms of restless leg syndrome. While this injury has certainly not been enjoyable, Iraq was a pleasant experience compared to the experiences I endured during my deployment to Afghanistan. At the beginning of my tour in Helmand Province, I was physically capable of conducting combat operations for weeks at a time, remaining in my gear for days if necessary and averaging 16-hour days of engineering operations in the heart of Sangin, one of the most kinetic and challenging AOs in the country. There were numerous occasions where I was sent to a grid coordinate and told to build a PB from the ground up, serving not only as the mission commander but also the base commander until the occupants (infantry units) arrived 5 days later. In most of these situations, I had a sergeant as my assistant commander, and the remainder of my platoon consisted of young, motivated NCOs. I was the senior Marine making the final decisions on construction concerns, along with 24-hour base defense and leading 30 Marines at any given time. The physical strain of enduring combat operations and the stress of being responsible for the lives and well-being of such a young group in an extremely kinetic environment were compounded by lack of sleep, which ultimately took a physical toll on my body that I couldn’t have foreseen.

By the fifth month into the deployment, I had muscle atrophy in my thighs that was causing me to constantly trip and my legs to buckle with the slightest grade change. My agility during firefights and mobility on and off vehicles and perimeter walls was seriously hindering my response time and overall capability. It was evident that stress and muscular deterioration was affecting everyone regardless of gender; however, the rate of my deterioration was noticeably faster than that of male Marines and further compounded by gender-specific medical conditions. At the end of the 7-month deployment, and the construction of 18 PBs later, I had lost 17 pounds and was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome (which personally resulted in infertility, but is not a genetic trend in my family), which was brought on by the chemical and physical changes endured during deployment. Regardless of my deteriorating physical stature, I was extremely successful during both of my combat tours, serving beside my infantry brethren and gaining the respect of every unit I supported. Regardless, I can say with 100 percent assurance that despite my accomplishments, there is no way I could endure the physical demands of the infantrymen whom I worked beside as their combat load and constant deployment cycle would leave me facing medical separation long before the option of retirement. I understand that everyone is affected differently; however, I am confident that should the Marine Corps attempt to fully integrate women into the infantry, we as an institution are going to experience a colossal increase in crippling and career-ending medical conditions for females.



- See more at: http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/arti ... cSY4N.dpuf


All fine and good, but nothing she said does not affect men as well. Except, the polycystic ovary syndrome, which can not be attributed to her service, despite her thinking it does. Anecdotes are interesting but are not sound reasons to keep women out of combat operations. Many men can not hack it either.
 
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Just Me said:
All fine and good, but nothing she said does not affect men as well. Except, the polycystic ovary syndrome, which can not be attributed to her service, despite her thinking it does. Anecdotes are interesting but are not sound reasons to keep women out of combat operations. Many men can not hack it either.

Guys like you crack me up. Sounds like you're the type that tell women how to orgasm too. What experience do you have that gives you the right to tell her she's wrong about her condition and what caused it? What part of her saying "the rate of my deterioration was noticeably faster than that of male Marines and further compounded by gender-specific medical conditions" did you not understand?
 
Just Me said:
All fine and good, but nothing she said does not affect men as well. Except, the polycystic ovary syndrome, which can not be attributed to her service, despite her thinking it does. Anecdotes are interesting but are not sound reasons to keep women out of combat operations. Many men can not hack it either.

Thank you! This has always been what bothers me about this line of discussion. "Women can't hack it" and "Women just aren't as physically capable as men." It's just silliness. Give everyone the physical fitness test the same way based on job, and give everyone the same level of training. There may be more men that can make it than women, I'll grant you. But both the men and women that can make it should be allowed to.

I know for a fact I wouldn't make it, I would not make a good Infantry woman. But it bothers the snot out of me that other women who know they couldn't make it want to then go on and use their personal experience as the reason that women shouldn't even be allowed to try to make it.
 
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jackie_O said:
it bothers the snot out of me that other women who know they couldn't make it want to then go on and use their personal experience as the reason that women shouldn't even be allowed to try to make it.

What makes you think she knew that she couldn't hack it? She was in the very top tier of women's physical fitness tests. If you haven't listened to the youtube I posted above, you might find it interesting.
 
jackie_O said:
Just Me said:
All fine and good, but nothing she said does not affect men as well. Except, the polycystic ovary syndrome, which can not be attributed to her service, despite her thinking it does. Anecdotes are interesting but are not sound reasons to keep women out of combat operations. Many men can not hack it either.

Thank you! This has always been what bothers me about this line of discussion. "Women can't hack it" and "Women just aren't as physically capable as men." It's just silliness. Give everyone the physical fitness test the same way based on job, and give everyone the same level of training. There may be more men that can make it than women, I'll grant you. But both the men and women that can make it should be allowed to.

I know for a fact I wouldn't make it, I would not make a good Infantry woman. But it bothers the snot out of me that other women who know they couldn't make it want to then go on and use their personal experience as the reason that women shouldn't even be allowed to try to make it.

Practically no one can make with the current loads that troops are expected to carry. The standard load of any western infantry walking around in their own base in a combat zone is over 70 pounds. If they leave their base that goes straight up to 100 pounds with extra ammo food, batteries, etc, etc. Then you add a day pack and the load goes to 130 pounds. Try carrying 70 to 130 pounds every single day for 6 months straight. That is why she says women should not being in combat, because basically no women and a relatively small percentage of men are big enough to carry these loads without long term health risks.
 
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Bocefish said:
jackie_O said:
it bothers the snot out of me that other women who know they couldn't make it want to then go on and use their personal experience as the reason that women shouldn't even be allowed to try to make it.

What makes you think she knew that she couldn't hack it? She was in the very top tier of women's physical fitness tests. If you haven't listened to the youtube I posted above, you might find it interesting.

Because she talked about being broken in a short amount of time? It seemed obvious to me.

She discussed "gender specific" medical conditions. As if there are no medical conditions men experience that would effect their combat readiness.

Plus she uses a lot of emotional tugging around talking about how much of a wake up call about combat. As if men do not experience a wake up call about how tough combat can be. As if men and women wouldn't both go into it with expectations that don't meet the reality.

I mean she spends a LOT of time talking about things that MEN experience just as much as women do. But somehow we're supposed to only care about the hardship of war if its a woman?

@Red, been there and done it. And that's how I know I could cut it in the infantry. But just because there are some men and more women that can't cut it doesn't mean that no women should be given the opportunity to even try.
 
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jackie_O said:
Bocefish said:
jackie_O said:
it bothers the snot out of me that other women who know they couldn't make it want to then go on and use their personal experience as the reason that women shouldn't even be allowed to try to make it.

What makes you think she knew that she couldn't hack it? She was in the very top tier of women's physical fitness tests. If you haven't listened to the youtube I posted above, you might find it interesting.

Because she talked about being broken in a short amount of time? It seemed obvious to me.

I only quoted the most pertinent portion of the article in regards to the topic, but there is far more to it along with the youtube interviews.

Here's another portion addressing some of your concerns...

As a young lieutenant, I fit the mold of a female who would have had a shot at completing IOC, and I am sure there was a time in my life where I would have volunteered to be an infantryman. I was a star ice hockey player at Bowdoin College, a small elite college in Maine, with a major in government and law. At 5 feet 3 inches I was squatting 200 pounds and benching 145 pounds when I graduated in 2007. I completed Officer Candidates School (OCS) ranked 4 of 52 candidates, graduated 48 of 261 from TBS, and finished second at MOS school. I also repeatedly scored far above average in all female-based physical fitness tests (for example, earning a 292 out of 300 on the Marine physical fitness test). Five years later, I am physically not the woman I once was and my views have greatly changed on the possibility of women having successful long careers while serving in the infantry. I can say from firsthand experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not just emotion, that we haven’t even begun to analyze and comprehend the gender-specific medical issues and overall physical toll continuous combat operations will have on females.
- See more at: http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/arti ... JIWKD.dpuf


jackie_O said:
She discussed "gender specific" medical conditions. As if there are no medical conditions men experience that would effect their combat readiness.

I can't think of any "male gender specific" medical conditions that would hinder combat readiness except for maybe testicular cancer. Can you expand your thoughts on that?

jackie_O said:
Plus she uses a lot of emotional tugging around talking about how much of a wake up call about combat. As if men do not experience a wake up call about how tough combat can be. As if men and women wouldn't both go into it with expectations that don't meet the reality.
I didn't notice any emotional tugging around. :dontknow:

jackie_O said:
I mean she spends a LOT of time talking about things that MEN experience just as much as women do. But somehow we're supposed to only care about the hardship of war if its a woman?

Women can conduct and lead combat operations; that is not the issue. Her main point is that woman can do it short term... but over the long haul, the vast majority of women are not built to sustain those daily rigorous requirements over a one year deployment, not to mention repeated deployments. That's how I took it anyhow. Once the Marines open it to one woman, any female Marine could then be forced into an infantry role, not just the volunteers that think they can hack it.
 
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Just Me said:
All fine and good, but nothing she said does not affect men as well. Except, the polycystic ovary syndrome, which can not be attributed to her service, despite her thinking it does. Anecdotes are interesting but are not sound reasons to keep women out of combat operations. Many men can not hack it either.

Guys like you crack me up. Sounds like you're the type that tell women how to orgasm too. What experience do you have that gives you the right to tell her she's wrong about her condition and what caused it? What part of her saying "the rate of my deterioration was noticeably faster than that of male Marines and further compounded by gender-specific medical conditions" did you not understand?

I can read.

Just because someone has a condition, it does not make them an expert on it. Correlation does not imply causation. Read the link I posted and you will see they do not know what causes it. Also, in many situations it could actually help her performance in the military due to increased testosterone levels.
 
Just Me said:
Bocefish said:
Just Me said:
All fine and good, but nothing she said does not affect men as well. Except, the polycystic ovary syndrome, which can not be attributed to her service, despite her thinking it does. Anecdotes are interesting but are not sound reasons to keep women out of combat operations. Many men can not hack it either.

Guys like you crack me up. Sounds like you're the type that tell women how to orgasm too. What experience do you have that gives you the right to tell her she's wrong about her condition and what caused it? What part of her saying "the rate of my deterioration was noticeably faster than that of male Marines and further compounded by gender-specific medical conditions" did you not understand?

I can read.

Just because someone has a condition, it does not make them an expert on it. Correlation does not imply causation. Read the link I posted and you will see they do not know what causes it. Also, in many situations it could actually help her performance in the military due to increased testosterone levels.

Just because someone can read a website, it does not make them a doctor. Do you really think she self-diagnosed the cause, or was it more likely a collaboration of trained physicians informing her?

If, according to you, they don't know what causes it, then how do you know it wasn't service related? Since you seem to know so much, explain how her hormones were not affected by her deployment, diet, and daily physical activities causing her PCOS?
 
Bocefish said:
Just Me said:
Bocefish said:
Just Me said:
All fine and good, but nothing she said does not affect men as well. Except, the polycystic ovary syndrome, which can not be attributed to her service, despite her thinking it does. Anecdotes are interesting but are not sound reasons to keep women out of combat operations. Many men can not hack it either.

Guys like you crack me up. Sounds like you're the type that tell women how to orgasm too. What experience do you have that gives you the right to tell her she's wrong about her condition and what caused it? What part of her saying "the rate of my deterioration was noticeably faster than that of male Marines and further compounded by gender-specific medical conditions" did you not understand?

I can read.

Just because someone has a condition, it does not make them an expert on it. Correlation does not imply causation. Read the link I posted and you will see they do not know what causes it. Also, in many situations it could actually help her performance in the military due to increased testosterone levels.

Just because someone can read a website, it does not make them a doctor. Do you really think she self-diagnosed the cause, or was it more likely a collaboration of trained physicians informing her?

If, according to you, they don't know what causes it, then how do you know it wasn't service related? Since you seem to know so much, explain how her hormones were not affected by her deployment, diet, and daily physical activities causing her PCOS?

Yes, I think she self diagnosed the cause. No where in the article does it say her doctors informed her it was caused by her military service. Why? Because doctors do not know what causes it. If it was service related there would be an increase in the condition for women in the military and the statistics do not bear that out. Jenny McCarthy claimed that immunizations caused her sons autism, does that make it true?

It is not up to me to explain how her hormones were affected by her military service. You (and she) are making the claim her military service caused the problem. I said doctors do not know what causes it, so to make the claim that her military service or deployment caused it is disingenuous at best. Correlation does not equal causation. All the other problems she had affect men as well but you and she are not making the argument that men should not serve in combat and I am not making the argument that all women can serve in combat.
 
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Just Me said:
Bocefish said:
Just Me said:
Bocefish said:
Just Me said:
All fine and good, but nothing she said does not affect men as well. Except, the polycystic ovary syndrome, which can not be attributed to her service, despite her thinking it does. Anecdotes are interesting but are not sound reasons to keep women out of combat operations. Many men can not hack it either.

Guys like you crack me up. Sounds like you're the type that tell women how to orgasm too. What experience do you have that gives you the right to tell her she's wrong about her condition and what caused it? What part of her saying "the rate of my deterioration was noticeably faster than that of male Marines and further compounded by gender-specific medical conditions" did you not understand?

I can read.

Just because someone has a condition, it does not make them an expert on it. Correlation does not imply causation. Read the link I posted and you will see they do not know what causes it. Also, in many situations it could actually help her performance in the military due to increased testosterone levels.

Just because someone can read a website, it does not make them a doctor. Do you really think she self-diagnosed the cause, or was it more likely a collaboration of trained physicians informing her?

If, according to you, they don't know what causes it, then how do you know it wasn't service related? Since you seem to know so much, explain how her hormones were not affected by her deployment, diet, and daily physical activities causing her PCOS?

Yes, I think she self diagnosed the cause. No where in the article does it say her doctors informed her it was caused by her military service. Why? Because doctors do not know what causes it. If it was service related there would be an increase in the condition for women in the military and the statistics do not bear that out. Jenny McCarthy claimed that immunizations caused her sons autism, does that make it true?

It is not up to me to explain how her hormones were affected by her military service. You (and she) are making the claim her military service caused the problem. I said doctors do not know what causes it, so to make the claim that her military service or deployment caused it is disingenuous at best. Correlation does not equal causation. All the other problems she had affect men as well but you and she are not making the argument that men should not serve in combat and I am not making the argument that all women can serve in combat.

What causes PCOS?
The symptoms of PCOS are caused by changes in hormone levels. There may be one or more causes for the hormone level changes.
http://women.webmd.com/tc/polycystic-ov ... c-overview

In women with PCOS, the ovaries make more androgens than normal. Androgens are male hormones that females also make. High levels of these hormones affect the development and release of eggs during ovulation. http://www.womenshealth.gov/publication ... ome.html#c

The stressors of a long term middle eastern deployment, combat, a leadership position being responsible for the lives of dozens of combat Marines during war time, a crappy diet, lack of sleep, all while enduring long days of arduous physical exertion... causes changes in a woman's hormone levels. You say she self-diagnosed and that it can not be attributed to her service. I 100% totally disagree! I'm fairly certain she would not come out and publicly say her PCOS was service connected unless she had it on good authority and well documented by her doctors. To do otherwise would likely be a catastrophic career mistake. Feel free to continue thinking you know more than she does about her condition, but you're wrong.
 
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