Chaturbate Fundamental Change? (Anonymous Viewers)

[ImOldEnough]

Hey All,
Recently, the room visitor count has dramatically lowered. Also, the rooms that have a high visitor number have an inordinate number of Anonymous viewers which give them good real estate on the pages..
For example, with numbers from my head. There were 4,000 in a room with over 3,000 being Anonymous viewers. I find that hard to believe. Does Chaturbate pump up the numbers with Anonymous.
Can models buy Anonymous viewers from a 3rd party?

Have other models felt the same behavior? Is the US economy and trade tariffs affecting Chaturbate due to discretionary income being less?

If yes, What is Chaturbate doing about it?

Thanks!

 

[hidden_evelina]

This is such a shitty attitude. It may be boring to you based on what you think you bring to the table but it may be awesome to a bunch of people who don't go past the main page. I've seen a ton of "top models" who are boring as fuck. Ohhhh you're doing yoga. Yawn. Ooooh you're just sitting there on your phone. Yawn. They get tipped. Hell one of the top models has a warning on her account to not tip her because she doesn't do a damn thing requested.

Please check the earnings of these models that took over the front page in the past week on statbate.com and you'll see how people tip them. Their viewer count doesn't move. They have around 50 viewers on average and hardly any tips.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you. If you like what CB did now I'm fine with that.

 

[Vixxen81]

Please check the earnings of these models that took over the front page in the past week on statbate.com and you'll see how people tip them. Their viewer count doesn't move. They have around 50 viewers on average and hardly any tips.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you. If you like what CB did now I'm fine with that.

Cool.

 

[fujimi]

I posted already list models, you can check them om cbhours and you can see something is wrong with majority of these rooms. This is not problem only second page, but also second and third, same situation and I say cb is here sleeping.

 

[fujimi]

I posted already list models, you can check them om cbhours and you can see something is wrong with majority of these rooms. This is not problem only second page, but also second and third, same situation and I say cb is here sleeping.

first, second and third pages

 

[hidden_evelina]

@punker barbie please help here.

 

[cbhours]

elsa_wow

sherbru

Hmm I took a look at these 2 at the time I visited elsa_wow didn't look too strange but sherbru did seem really unusual. No idea I see she jumped to the top half of page 2 with 3 users.

 

[fujimi]

Right now first, second page _anna_bloom. Btw I see her since December here, second page non stop, Emillybronte, evelyn_envyy is not room what can hold top second page, Christyna_Ross, Amedeeabanks…

 

[Olive]

Are you referring to april 2019? that was when they stopped light blues from counting towards position, it was almost like they were greys.

No I meant like an actual error where for 2 or so days people could be ranked #1 with only 5 people in their room and on page 15 with 2k viewers.

I'm just highlighting that CB sometimes makes changed to the site that can cause errors for a short time.
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But algo changes happen all the time as well. And now with them giving every logged in account a different ordered list of models the base ranking doesn't work exactly the same for stream-development anymore. When you stream you notice certain changes pretty drastically.

One example of a drastic change for me since they started offering curated pages for accounts is that my placement is a lot more stable (so harder to move both up and down). It's noticable since it used to be the case that when I'd go to the toilet my rank would immediately nosedive. Now I can leave and come back to the same (or even better) rank. Crazy impactful change for me (both positive And negative)

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I hope all models can get their bag and have whaly good days. We'll have to work within the workings of the sites we use and deal with the whims of traffic/viewers but that doesn't mean we should work against eachother or bring eachother down in the process.

We're all on a ride that will only get bumpier for the next few years

 

[SuperPookie]

I'm not on CB but is it possible these models are getting a high amount of privates so placing higher because of earnings even if they have little tips in free chat?

 

[Vixxen81]

I'm not on CB but is it possible these models are getting a high amount of privates so placing higher because of earnings even if they have little tips in free chat?

That's exactly the opposite of how CB functions.

 

[fujimi]

No, its same rooms every day and this is not all. Probably its much more rooms and by design of the rooms they are two groups and they occupy first three pages most.

Group 1 - similar room design, quality

Sonyaparker, christyna_ross, _anna_bloom, aidasina, _selenasky, Amedeeabanks, krupamartina, Thebeaewatch, Why_Not_Wmw, adonis_msc, Amy_Rider, Pinkpussy_Daily, Red_Bestie_, Ashleeycherrie, Barbycox, Calypsosage, Fairy_Squirt, Jennycrash, Wowsquirt, Ravewithme9, Sweeteest_Julie

Group 2 - similar room design, quality

Hayliemilf, Natydesiree, Jenna_Day, ashleysinnx, evelyn_evyy, Raquellevon, Juicy_Jessye, Chicaora, Evasunderland, Rachel_Quinn, emilybronte, Leycaprice, Bella_Diamonds_, _Arielle, Ammylicious_Doll, Sweeet_Debbie, Sweeteest_Julie, Ammylicious_Doll, missmo0n, Ravewithme9, Daenerysdrogo, Zenydaxbelle

Second group was easy indentify also by same user in every room vipeexperience

Error? Please, wake up to the reality this is not error.

 

[Vixxen81]

No, its same rooms every day and this is not all. Probably its much more rooms and by design of the rooms they are two groups and they occupy first three pages most.

Group 1 - similar room design, quality

Sonyaparker, christyna_ross, _anna_bloom, aidasina, _selenasky, Amedeeabanks, krupamartina, Thebeaewatch, Why_Not_Wmw, adonis_msc, Amy_Rider, Pinkpussy_Daily, Red_Bestie_, Ashleeycherrie, Barbycox, Calypsosage, Fairy_Squirt, Jennycrash, Wowsquirt, Ravewithme9, Sweeteest_Julie

Group 2 - similar room design, quality

Hayliemilf, Natydesiree, Jenna_Day, ashleysinnx, evelyn_evyy, Raquellevon, Juicy_Jessye, Chicaora, Evasunderland, Rachel_Quinn, emilybronte, Leycaprice, Bella_Diamonds_, _Arielle, Ammylicious_Doll, Sweeet_Debbie, Sweeteest_Julie, Ammylicious_Doll, missmo0n, Ravewithme9, Daenerysdrogo, Zenydaxbelle

Second group was easy indentify also by same user in every room vipeexperience

Error? Please, wake up to the reality this is not error.

STOP POSTING ROOM NAMES YOU CREEP

 

[cbhours]

No I meant like an actual error where for 2 or so days people could be ranked #1 with only 5 people in their room and on page 15 with 2k viewers.

sounds like the same event but maybe it was a much older event before my time.

 

[Marceline]

Geeze. I can only imagine how much time people have wasted worrying about the placement of other models to the point where they’re compiling lists of who is placing where and how many people they have in their room. Like, all that time spent hate lurking on CB and in other rooms could be spent camming or making content or doing literally anything else productive.

Same with US economy? Is it really new news to some of you that US is the major 1st consumer of porn, and our economy is shit rn, with no one spending on anything? Really?

This 100%. A lot of models aren’t making the same money that they used to. Obsessing over other’s incomes or placements won’t change this.

 

[Vixxen81]

Geeze. I can only imagine how much time people have wasted worrying about the placement of other models to the point where they’re compiling lists of who is placing where and how many people they have in their room. Like, all that time spent hate lurking on CB and in other rooms could be spent camming or making content or doing literally anything else productive.



This 100%. A lot of models aren’t making the same money that they used to. Obsessing over other’s incomes or placements won’t change this.

 

[Squinkle]

If you're logged into an account you don't see the "base" pages. You see a currated one to that account (even if you opt out). Which means you can see small rooms with next to no viewers in high FP spots.

Log out and check again.

This is correct, except logging out alone won't change what you see. You have to clear the browser cookies or use incognito mode for the true positions to be seen without recommended cams being displayed.

 

[fujimi]

Thanks for the recommendations from people who were too lazy to open cb explorer, but if you check some suspicious accounts you will see that the rank also shows cb explorer. Some people spent hundreds of hours finding that something is wrong. You are commenting here about something you have no idea about. We know that something is wrong and it is getting worse and worse every day. We just shared what we found, that's all. Maybe someone in cb is getting paid for it. Anyway good luck all.

 

[hidden_evelina]

It's just unfair competition.

Mostly between 10 pm - 8 am there's about 10 studio accounts that appear on the 1st page and take spots between 99 and 40. Some of them land on the front page with 3 colors and 40 anonymous after just 10 mins of broadcasting. What it causes is the drop of earnings for "regular front page" models per hour as now it takes at least 1 hr and sometimes even 2 hrs to have your followers to come to their rooms and stay there so they get ranked higher. Most tippers or viewers don't look at the 2nd page unfortunately. Moreover, there's a sudden rise in the number of female broadcasters in the past month because of what happened. The regular front page models have slow rooms for quite sometime now so they hang out on cam forever to have some tips. I've been camming for 8 years now and I've never seen 80 pages of female brodcasters at 8 pm EST when basically Europe sleeps (2 am) Crazy.

I feel the situation worsened about a week ago. Looking at these studio accounts they started this scam in December.

I believe CB knows what's going on and they did it on purpose. Maybe they have some kind of a deal with the studios or maybe they're testing something... Who knows?

 

[cbhours]

Maybe they have some kind of a deal with the studios

....ha...no way in hell.


i'll do a little investigating, im not going to do in-depth research on multiple models or anything but i'll grab the most suspicious and see if I pick up anything.

no promises.

 

[hidden_evelina]

....ha...no way in hell.


i'll do a little investigating, im not going to do in-depth research on multiple models or anything but i'll grab the most suspicious and see if I pick up anything.

no promises.

All this craziness lasts between 4 pm til about 2 am EST.

65 pages of female broadcasters at 12 am EST last night. Top model ashley_benson1 was struggling for 2-3 hrs on the 2nd page and basically had no tips.

 

[Marceline]

Moreover, there's a sudden rise in the number of female broadcasters in the past month because of what happened.

I've been camming for 8 years now and I've never seen 80 pages of female brodcasters at 8 pm EST when basically Europe sleeps (2 am) Crazy.

Or perhaps the reason why there's a sudden rise in broadcasters is because of what's happening with the economy (like already stated). Since you've been in the industry for 8 years, I'm sure you remember how things were during the Covid pandemic and lockdowns. There was a huge influx of new models joining the adult industry, because the economy had slowed down, people were losing their jobs and they were doing what they could to make money. We're seeing this same thing happening again, it seems. The stock market plunged yesterday. The majority of Americans, proven by polls, are worried about the US going into an economic recession or even depression. It makes sense that there would be more models camming and creating content right now, especially since around Covid adult work has been much more mainstream than ever before. To make matters worse, most people are cutting back their spending because of economic reasons as well as it being tax season and more people are owing instead of getting a refund.

It sucks, none of us need to be pleased about this, but that's the way life is. You said the competition is unfair, but honestly, life itself can seem unfair sometimes. You need to roll with the punches and if you're not making the money you need to be making on CB, there's other cam sites and even clip sites you can work on.

Mostly between 10 pm - 8 am there's about 10 studio accounts that appear on the 1st page and take spots between 99 and 40. Some of them land on the front page with 3 colors and 40 anonymous after just 10 mins of broadcasting. What it causes is the drop of earnings for "regular front page" models per hour as now it takes at least 1 hr and sometimes even 2 hrs to have your followers to come to their rooms and stay there so they get ranked higher. Most tippers or viewers don't look at the 2nd page unfortunately.

Let's just say CB is, for some reason, intentionally boosting "slow" rooms and burying popular models. That makes no sense from a business perspective, but let's just say that is what's happening. What can you do to change that? Nothing. Keep camming on CB to try to boost your tips, try other cam sites, try making content or get a vanilla job. Any of those options are far better than obsessing over something you cannot change by continuously checking the CB front page and other models' rooms.

 

[Meowverlord]

Just adding to the convo. Censored the names. Middle model has 1k followers roughly. H O W. Needless to say the other 2 have way more than that. How did they land in the first page, not even 2nd? Mystery.

 

[MarieElise]

Thanks for the recommendations from people who were too lazy to open cb explorer, but if you check some suspicious accounts you will see that the rank also shows cb explorer. Some people spent hundreds of hours finding that something is wrong. You are commenting here about something you have no idea about. We know that something is wrong and it is getting worse and worse every day. We just shared what we found, that's all. Maybe someone in cb is getting paid for it. Anyway good luck all.

Yes guys, like I'm always saying... when the times get tough, stop taking any ownership or control of the situation yourself completely. Stop any and all content production, marketing or other efforts to increase your fanbase, and buy a big notepad. Then cut your shifts short, so you can make your new full time job; stalking other models rooms, and writing their names down in it. After this, be sure to go to public forums and report the results publically! Not only will this do wonders for your likability, and the motivation of your colleagues to support you, and help you out (when you might need it). But it will also, impress your therapist with your new, improved time management skills. And any other models you did happen to be friends with, and told about your new investigations, are going to feel so much increased trust in you!

This is what I'm always telling people; just give the fuck up, and go with a conspiracy theory instead! Because, ya know, even if it were true, the chances you're going to do anything to change it are so fucking high!

All that time you could have been channeling into business, marketing, learning, networking, improving filming & editing skills and content growth - just don't.
That's how you last as a successful self-employed person! That's exactly how you make it! By managing your time the way this poster said to - anything else- pure laziness

 

[yummybrownfox]

Well, if that's how CB wants to do business by placing boring dead rooms with no tips on the front page and hiding big earners from now on I'm ok with that.

WHOA! Who are you to say whether or not a room is boring and dead. Don’t be a mean girl. It’s very unattractive. Maybe if you’d stop obsessing over other models’ tips and placement…and focus on your own room…you could see some improvement. And listing these models by name is so tacky. They didn’t ask to be hated on by a grown ass woman on a public forum.

I think you’ll be alright if you finally allow the underdog to be in the spotlight for a change.

 

[AudriTwo]

Well, if that's how CB wants to do business by placing boring dead rooms with no tips on the front page and hiding big earners from now on I'm ok with that.

sounds like your room is the one that's dead with no tips...



hi I'm a big earner on my camsite when i decide to cam. if you have an established audience and consider yourself a big earner, placement doesn't fucking matter. the last time i cammed i was in the backpages, i made my goals so fucking easy. when a big earner sees that their traffic is cut in half, they don't fucking care, because they have users who can easily find them. after all, we have already been favorited or followed. your established audience can help boost you or make your goals until your placement fixes itself.

 

[cbhours]

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I looked at sherbru, there was nothing, there wasnt any colored names, no tokens received, she just magically jumped to position 137 out of no where. Oddly enough it didnt happen yesterday.

Guessing its an exploit im not aware of but could be a glitch i guess.

 

[hidden_evelina]

Hi, thanks.

That might be a glitch indeed. @punker barbie

Yesterday I was observing front page model lettali and she had a steady number of viewers, and each time I refreshed she was on page 1 ranked 60th and after a while she disappeared and I found her on the page 2 ranked 120th. That happened over and over again.

On page 2, I also spotted a beautiful model blonde_bigtits with 600 viewers and her room had a crazy number of colors who were tipping her continuously. Models at the bottom of page 1 had waaaay less colors than she had. Her room never appeard on page 1 until she disappeard in private and according CB hours she was ranked 25 while there.

Looks like it's not only the problem with the studio models but random models.

 

[cbhours]

Hi, thanks.

That might be a glitch indeed. @punker barbie

Yesterday I was observing front page model lettali and she had a steady number of viewers, and each time I refreshed she was on page 1 ranked 60th and after a while she disappeared and I found her on the page 2 ranked 120th. That happened over and over again.

On page 2, I also spotted a beautiful model blonde_bigtits with 600 viewers and her room had a crazy number of colors who were tipping her continuously. Models at the bottom of page 1 had waaaay less colors than she had. Her room never appeard on page 1 until she disappeard in private and according CB hours she was ranked 25 while there.

Looks like it's not only the problem with the studio models but random models.

I've been conducting further analysis by developing an automated system designed to identify cases where usernames appear significantly higher in the API rankings than their viewer counts would typically justify. It's important to note that this detection method is conservative, as even a few anonymous viewers could prevent a model from being flagged.

Initially, I anticipated detecting only a small number of these anomalies; however, within a single 24-hour period, my system identified over 80 such instances. This suggests the actual occurrence of these inconsistencies is likely much higher, potentially affecting visibility for genuine models by shifting their positions back by a page or two.

From what I've observed, this issue doesn't appear related to a deliberate algorithm change, as the anomalies exclusively involve models from the Europe/Russia region. If this were an algorithm update, we would expect broader geographic distribution.

I can also confirm that some of the names mentioned in this thread were also flagged by the automated system.

 

[hidden_evelina]

I've been conducting further analysis by developing an automated system designed to identify cases where usernames appear significantly higher in the API rankings than their viewer counts would typically justify. It's important to note that this detection method is conservative, as even a few anonymous viewers could prevent a model from being flagged.

Initially, I anticipated detecting only a small number of these anomalies; however, within a single 24-hour period, my system identified over 80 such instances. This suggests the actual occurrence of these inconsistencies is likely much higher, potentially affecting visibility for genuine models by shifting their positions back by a page or two.

From what I've observed, this issue doesn't appear related to a deliberate algorithm change, as the anomalies exclusively involve models from the Europe/Russia region. If this were an algorithm update, we would expect broader geographic distribution.

I can also confirm that some of the names mentioned in this thread were also flagged by the automated

Thanks for what you're doing.

I'm from Eastern Europe. I was forced to change the time slot for camming since at 4 pm - 2 am EST something keeps on pulling me down to the bottom of page 1 or to page 2 with max 300 viewers. This particular time slot is fishy. I changed it and I finally managed to receive my previous average position and have over 1300 viewers in 2h30m right before I left and this number was still growing.

I saw messages by a large number of American models on another website who cry that all of their viewers are completely gone and they don't get any tips any more. The change was over night. They are desperate. They wrote CB highlighting the problem of no traffic in their rooms and received a copy paste message back stating it’s important to get creative and advertise their socials. Lol

I feel CB knows what they're doing. The website is saturated. I believe they want to get rid of some people. Maybe it's connected with Project 2025?

I dont like what's going on CB right now. It's unfair competition. @cbhours please take a look at angela_5 (a very popular Colombian model). She appeard on page 1 almost instantly after she logged in and had a huge number of colors. Then SUDDENLY she disappeard. I found her on page 3 til the end of her stream.

 

[Vicky_vic]

Hey, I am here to confirm that something is wrong, I live in Europe too and for last 3 weeks or so I can barely get any viewers, max 200 while the normal was around 600-700. and it doesn't matter what time of the day I log in, what I wear, if I am naked, or if I have my vagina all over the screen, if I dance, if I talk, if I stay silent, same. Normally when I do a flash the viewer count gets higher, now it stays exactly the same. First I thought it's all the stuff that happens right now but then I realized that there's also something else. It's like there is some kind of limit how many users my room can get. I can see same names, lot's of members "disappeared". It gives me a feeling that members are trying to join but they can't, like they are constantly refreshing the page, there are 2 guys that are typing in every tip for years and now some of the notes are blank, while they are waiting for an answer and yesterday I confirmed with both that they wrote a note but it came to me blank. I hope whatever it is it will fix soon.