WHY?!??!??!

[AmberCutie]

This is exactly why I've used guest mode with models who I haven't seen before.

Or watch from a lounge. it's one of the things they're good for.

Not really, actually. If you're trying to get to know how the model runs her room and her personality, you've got to see what's being said in the chat. Can't do that from the lounge. Guest lurking is the way to go, or, hide your tokens.

 

[Kradek]

This is exactly why I've used guest mode with models who I haven't seen before.

Or watch from a lounge. it's one of the things they're good for.

Not really, actually. If you're trying to get to know how the model runs her room and her personality, you've got to see what's being said in the chat. Can't do that from the lounge. Guest lurking is the way to go, or, hide your tokens.

I think if you're looking for a chat room to hang out in that's a good way to go too.

 

[curvyredhead]

I am more bothered by the basics whose names show up in my room and stay silently often enough that I recognize them. At least if a member has tokens, I know he tips somebody on the site even if it's not me on that particular day.

word

 

[curvyredhead]

I don't mind if I see people sitting in my room with 1000+ tokens without tipping...for the most part.

With that said, there have been times the name prem will show up every night for a couple weeks with 1000+ tokens....not say a word but I'll watch the tokens slowly (or not so slowly) go down in there account.
At first I thought, well damn...maybe there name is just stuck in my room or something. But now I have about 2 or 3 that do it a couple times a week. I don't say anything and just have stopped looking...and spend my time and attention to those who are at the very least talking to me.

 

[Crumb]

I'm in the Iris and Zoomer camp of this argument.
I should also say, I don't really have a lot of tokens anyway these days, but that's besides the point...

also, sometimes, I'll load up mfc, hit a room, and then switch windows and go browse a message board or google something I just thought of... and 45min later, I'll realize I'm in mfc and go back ... it happens.

and why are you girls always looking at our tokens and points anyway?

 

[Jupiter551]

and why are you girls always looking at our tokens and points anyway?

Probably because they're bored and going nuts that no one's tipping and they don't know why and they're clicking on everyone out of a combination of boredom and curiousity lol

 

[LadyLuna]

and why are you girls always looking at our tokens and points anyway?

Probably because they're bored and going nuts that no one's tipping and they don't know why and they're clicking on everyone out of a combination of boredom and curiousity lol

Yeah, that's pretty much why I did it.

But then I realized that the only thing it does is make me want to log off, either because no one had anything or someone did and didn't feel like giving anything to me.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

and why are you girls always looking at our tokens and points anyway?

Probably because they're bored and going nuts that no one's tipping and they don't know why and they're clicking on everyone out of a combination of boredom and curiousity lol

Yeah, that's pretty much why I did it.

But then I realized that the only thing it does is make me want to log off, either because no one had anything or someone did and didn't feel like giving anything to me.

I've never seen the broadcasting/model's software screens. I've always envision that members are color coded by reward points, with basic in red tiny fonts, and premium with 10,000+ rewards points guy's names prominently display in bright green in big fonts, with splashing whale animations . I also assumed that token counts were automatically displayed by default. Of course the more I learn about MFC software the less impressed I am by it, hard to believe that countdowns are not tracked automatically. :shock:

Lady Luna advice seems sensible, don't look unless it is for something you need to know like does this guy have enough tokens to be worthwhile to take private. Really nothing good can come from knowing how many tokens you are missing out on.

 

[AllisonWilder]

and why are you girls always looking at our tokens and points anyway?

Probably because they're bored and going nuts that no one's tipping and they don't know why and they're clicking on everyone out of a combination of boredom and curiousity lol

Yeah, that's pretty much why I did it.

But then I realized that the only thing it does is make me want to log off, either because no one had anything or someone did and didn't feel like giving anything to me.

I've never seen the broadcasting/model's software screens. I've always envision that members are color coded by reward points, with basic in red tiny fonts, and premium with 10,000+ rewards points guy's names prominently display in bright green in big fonts, with splashing whale animations . I also assumed that token counts were automatically displayed by default. Of course the more I learn about MFC software the less impressed I am by it, hard to believe that countdowns are not tracked automatically. :shock:

Lady Luna advice seems sensible, don't look unless it is for something you need to know like does this guy have enough tokens to be worthwhile to take private. Really nothing good can come from knowing how many tokens you are missing out on.

The model side doesn't display anyone differently to us unless they've changed their font/color, basics are small, blue font; guests are tiny black font.


I click on members in my room because I'm curious. Sometimes it's to bring up their profile (if they have one). Most of the time when I click on a member, it's because they've been awfully chatty and/or requesting things.

Something else to note is that for some reason, the PM windows now show the token counts (unless their tokens are hidden) so by default, if you're PMing me, I know what your token count looks like.

Honestly, aside from the guys that seem to hold their thousands of tokens over my head in hopes that I might get tossed a nickel or two, the only thing that has ever bothered me about not getting tipped by someone in my room is when I can see their token count ticking down while they are in my room talking about how they wish they had tokens to tip me.

 

[LadyLuna]

when I can see their token count ticking down while they are in my room talking about how they wish they had tokens to tip me.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST DICK MOVE A GUY CAN DO.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

seems like we can all agree that hiding your tokens is a kind and smart thing to do if you are not currently tipping?

I really just wanted to express how incredibly frustrating bad nights can be. And how personal we can take them.
Is it your fault or responsibility to make us feel better? No..... but I try to treat others as I want to be treated.

So hide your tokies

 

[Jessi J]

Someone in this thread earlier said that he likes to get a feel for whether he likes you as a person first. I feel the same way. Sometimes a model can seem super sweet, then an hour later, she'll be screaming at all the guys because they're not tipping her WHILE SHE'S JUST SITTING THERE EATING RAMEN NOODLES. I don't want to tip someone like that. So I'll know to never go back in her room, and I'll save my tokies for a more friendly model.

When I am on cam and I haven't met a goal yet, but I need to, I stay on. Sometimes I get hungry, so what do I do? I go get some ramen, I eat on cam and I hang out with the room. I tell them I still need to meet my goals and that as soon as I am done we can get started with a show (if the goal is done by then).

I don't see why I need to get off cam and have to rebuild my room all because I am a little hungry. It's not like I eat a five course meal on cam, it's literally a few minutes. I don't see why they can't still tip towards a show....

 

[JoleneBrody]

This is a very interesting subject because it has so many variables! The reasons ranging from honorable to not so much. From the guy wanting to interact (guest mode no bueno) with the model and room a bit before they know if they'll be comfy, to the dude just waiting for the free show because he's stingy, doesn't "know" the model, saving them for something else, only tips for goats...

I guess all my point is, is that things aren't always what they seem. While we are on cam, a slow night fosters this most, things tend to look more black and white behind our bruised ego blinders.
While having tokens showing is good when you are intending to make requests/take a new to you girl private, it's quite easy to un-hide them when that time comes. Keep em hidden otherwise. If not for you, for the girls. Sometimes our emotions get the better of us even if it wasn't your intention.

Personally, I got out of the "click" habit a while ago and only ever look if the person gives me probable cause (makes requests, is getting a bit gusto with the dirty talk in public, general attention whorey behavior) Since I don't want to waste my breath and ruin my vibe for a 0/20, I'll just ban.

 

[TacoBelle]

When I am on cam and I haven't met a goal yet, but I need to, I stay on. Sometimes I get hungry, so what do I do? I go get some ramen, I eat on cam and I hang out with the room. I tell them I still need to meet my goals and that as soon as I am done we can get started with a show (if the goal is done by then).

I don't see why I need to get off cam and have to rebuild my room all because I am a little hungry. It's not like I eat a five course meal on cam, it's literally a few minutes. I don't see why they can't still tip towards a show....

I wasn't meaning that you are supposed to get off cam because you're hungry. That's the opposite of what I meant. Because it sounds like while you're eating, you're still engaging your guys... working towards a countdown, laughing, talking, etc. The tips are still tips towards a countdown. And you're not spending 3 hours eating. However, I have seen girls that literally spend all night doing nothing but yelling at the guys to tip while she sits there, playing with her phone, painting her nails, eating, etc. There's no topic involved. No countdown. Just her being too lazy to interact with the guys except to look up from her Iphone to scream about freeloaders.

If you are actively trying to meet your goals, it'll be obvious to the room. But if you're too preoccupied to give them a REASON to tip you, then I don't think that type of model is worthy of my tokies. Maybe I'm just a cheap premium. But I want to feel like my tokies are going to someone who will actually APPRECIATE them.

(I wasn't implying that any of the models on ACF are like this, nor was I trying to start an argument. Merely trying to show the way my mind works while I'm perving.)

 

[IsabellaSnow]

and why are you girls always looking at our tokens and points anyway?

Oh I'm sorry, I take some interest in the people who are sat there staring at me for hours on end as I get naked, talk about things, interact with my regulars, masturbate etc.

Should I just let you stare and pretend you're not there? because it's clear you are there.

It's my room, why the fuck shouldn't I click and have a look and show some curiosity? You're watching me, possibly looking through my profile etc. I know members will click on other members and see how long they're been members.

I do mean "you're" as a whole, but I have every right to check out who's in my room staring at me. I do click on people, not always, but especially if it's slow I like to get a feel of how many tokens are in my room. If people have tokens showing and aren't spending them then it's my job to see what I can do to get them spending. I don't mean shout at them, I mean maybe dance a little, offer my videos, remind them that videos go to countdown etc.

Whatever reason you have for coming in my room, it is fecking annoying with the people who are in my room most of the time I'm online, I can see they have tokens, and slowly each time see them going down, and then getting renewed, and then slowly going down, none going to me. Not 10 tokens thrown my way for every 2 hours they sit in my room. No... that'd be too much.

I find it hard to imagine that these people see me online every time and go "oohh let's go sit in her room but then play world of warcraft at the same time" Maybe they are doing other things, but I think chances are, they're paying attention.

I've never called out anyone, but once when things were going really slow and I was a bit fed up, I mentioned how it was upsetting me the people who've been sat here for a while and are often here who always have tokens showing yet refuse to throw anything in. I did say it in quite a pointed matter, as in "you know who you are" and reminded people to hide their tokens if they're not tipping.
Most of them left, so they clearly were paying attention. Obviously they returned next time I was online. It's not in me to beg or force someone to pay for something so I wouldn't call someone out personally. Or even do the whole banning thing for lurking and not tipping.
On friday 3 guys who've been in my room quite a lot, 2 of them for the last year, tipped me for the first time, tipped as in bought videos not just throwing a few tokens my way, they'd never tipped before except one of them who in feb tipped me 3 tokens. It's a long time to wait before tipping someone, but hey!

 

[Anonymous]

and why are you girls always looking at our tokens and points anyway?

*Curiosity. I do think it's cool that MFC allows you to hide your tokens and points, so use that option if you're not comfortable with us looking at it.

*Because the next time a member tells me to "Show ass, bb," I can look and see that he CAN tip. And if he says "I'm out of tokens," I'll know he's full of shit and is just refusing to tip ME. By the way, if you do this, expect to get banned. You're basically telling me "I CAN tip right now, but I don't feel like tipping YOU...so just lemme see that ass for free." :roll: There's no reason to lie and tell models you're out of tokens. If you're gonna be stingy with your tokens, fine, but don't beg or demand, and then lie and say you have no tokens.

*Because the next time a member shouts at my room "Come on, you guys...tip this lady!!!," I can tell him to stop yelling at members in the room...especially when HE isn't tipping either. That's tacky. You're yelling at OTHER people to tip because YOU wanna see some ass? Sit your ass down.....

 

[curvyredhead]

seems like we can all agree that hiding your tokens is a kind and smart thing to do if you are not currently tipping?

I really just wanted to express how incredibly frustrating bad nights can be. And how personal we can take them.
Is it your fault or responsibility to make us feel better? No..... but I try to treat others as I want to be treated.

So hide your tokies

word

 

[Nanana]

I always ban ''big spenders'' for 60 days... I mean all those who I was seeing at the visitor list during my show

and lately... I had a guy in my room with over 200,000 points, he was quiet for some minutes..and then his points started going up about 500 points every few seconds ) ...so yea, I do feel creepy because of situation like that. but who knows..maybe he licked me but he wanted to be loyal to his fav model...

I just have an advise 4 all models. Don't care about them. Just care about regular fans. I know every of us dream about a member with extremely fat wallet but..it's not possible for everyone.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

seems like we can all agree that hiding your tokens is a kind and smart thing to do if you are not currently tipping?

I really just wanted to express how incredibly frustrating bad nights can be. And how personal we can take them.
Is it your fault or responsibility to make us feel better? No..... but I try to treat others as I want to be treated.

So hide your tokies

word

I agree that models often do look, though it's stupid to do so. A ton of trolls have a bazillion tokens for no reason other than to make the model think she should pay attention to them. Personally, I prefer everything remain hidden. My boyfriend has a premium account, and he always has it showing as 0 tokens. He really will have a ton in storage though. Then if the models is good, he'll transfer the amount he wants to tip her.

 

[DeviantDarla]

I don't mind if I see people sitting in my room with 1000+ tokens without tipping...for the most part.

With that said, there have been times the name prem will show up every night for a couple weeks with 1000+ tokens....not say a word but I'll watch the tokens slowly (or not so slowly) go down in there account.
At first I thought, well damn...maybe there name is just stuck in my room or something. But now I have about 2 or 3 that do it a couple times a week. I don't say anything and just have stopped looking...and spend my time and attention to those who are at the very least talking to me.

Thisss. Had a prem guy in my room, six nights in a row. First night he had like 5k tkns, every day his count went down. He never talked in chat, tried to pm me, tip me.. NOTHINg. finally the last night comes and he talks, I check his tokens.. he has 200 left -_- then said he was saving them for something good. Way to be a dick. lol

 

[AssCork]

TLR - Check your Visitors # instead of Member Tkn/RP Count

...steps out from the shadows.
Greetingz!
First time poster, so please forgive any trespasses the etiquette of this board.
I've been known to unintentionally come across as a bit crass, so I'll apologize in advance for that as well.

Allow me to preface this post with the following; MFC is a site where models "work" and members "play".
I'm using quotes not in a derogatory fashion, but to illustrate the different perceptions involved in this realm.

Otherwise, this is a great topic. Allow me to strip-out the emotion & paraphrase a bit.

members...why...[do]...you...[visit]...a...room...without tipping...?

Jo_Bunny also noted the frustrating intersection of circumstance when member(s) posses a significant amount of tokens, and it's been a considerably slow night. Then of course there's the interesting notion of members "hiding" certain details of their current and previous financial exploits.

To avoid rambling with vague over-sweeping generalizations about the massive multinational user-base that frequents MFC versus the fraction of said user-base that happens to set up camp here at ACF and finally attempting to compare the two clearly distinct groups, I'll just say this;
1) They have not decided those tokens are for you, or
2) They have already decided they are for someone else

That's it. Plain and simple.
Now this brings up two questions - How do you affect the former or the latter?

Former
Swaying fortune in your favor when a decision has not yet been made is far easier than challenging a decision that's been already cast before entering your realm of influence.

For the former - I can only speak to myself and my own habits. If I have a large number (several hundred plus), and have no prior self-imposed commitments, I'm more apt to "cruse the rooms". If I meet someone that piques my curiosity, I'll stop and listen.

If I like what I hear. What I read. If I bump into another member I know. I may tip.
If there's a posted goal, I may contribute to the cause.

One thing I can say, and I'm sure many members agree - There's no defined criteria for me and tipping.
No set formula. No "Rules". No forms or guidelines.
I deal with those aplenty at the office, it's refreshing to be random for a little while.

Latter
If the one holding the proverbial purse-strings had already made a self-imposed decision to reserve coin for someone else, that's a tough nut to crack. At that point it becomes a battle of willpower between the member's desire to keep their goal, and the model's desire to meet her own.

Regarding Suggestions Such as "Hiding" Token/Reward Points or "Guesting" Through Rooms
In a word, "No". Here I can generalize on this topic as it pertains to well-established behavioral patterns.
Most members will not dig into the mass that is the "My Account" or "Personal Options" pages. Ever.

Raise your hand if you're still using the default theme that came with Windows 7.
Exactly my point.

As for browsing in "Guest Mode", I don't personally chose to do this because if I *am* waiting for someone to come online, I don't need to miss that. Also, if I don't see certain members or models, I'll leave. There's a billion other sites out on the wires here. The entire concept of "Guesting" doesn't strike me as effective.

Remember, being able to see the token and resource point scores of members is a two-edged sword.
Don't focus on the "bad" edge (slow nite + guys with tokens in the room, yet not tipping).

The feature has a multitude of benefits, one being that as a model you'll have a better (though not completely clear) idea if a member is attempting to defraud you. Were the inverse true; if members could see how many tokens a model made in real-time, that *might* help evenly distribute the token-based wealth. However it's unrealistic to assume that MFC's user-base is a direct reflection on the human population as a whole (Read: Most visitors to MFC are not monetarily generous, else the F would not stand for "Free")

However, larger groups of members, specifically Premium members, tend to have more "high rollers". So it comes down to how many members are in your room, not how many tokens are sitting there.

Avoid the "Mario Mindset" - Member's are not boxes you can [headbutt] open and take the tokens out.
Though I have little doubt were that the case it wouldn't immediately become a fetish.

 

[BetsyBooty]

(I thanked that just for writing style.)

 

[Shaun__]

AssCork counting big piles of cash all night at a restaurant, and then not tipping the waitress as you leave is a dick move. Just because something is allowed by the rules does not mean it should be done.

 

[curvyredhead]

I always ban ''big spenders'' for 60 days... I mean all those who I was seeing at the visitor list during my show

and lately... I had a guy in my room with over 200,000 points, he was quiet for some minutes..and then his points started going up about 500 points every few seconds ) ...so yea, I do feel creepy because of situation like that. but who knows..maybe he licked me but he wanted to be loyal to his fav model...

I just have an advise 4 all models. Don't care about them. Just care about regular fans. I know every of us dream about a member with extremely fat wallet but..it's not possible for everyone.

I have not looked at this thread in a while, and I only looked at the new posts since I last looked, so I am sorry if this has already been touched on BUT
Please remember that (esp when it comes to points) MFC can be a bit glitchy. It may appear that a prem is buying more then he/she actually is. This is often the case when (for example) a member goes prem for the first time, and without tipping logs and in and out of there account. It might appear they have bought an additional 200tokens based on points, but will only have a 200tokens sitting for available use. As a model this might make us think they went to spend those first 200 already...when in reality they have not spent anything.

Damn does that make any sense?

 

[Anonymous]

I don't see why I need to get off cam and have to rebuild my room all because I am a little hungry. It's not like I eat a five course meal on cam, it's literally a few minutes. I don't see why they can't still tip towards a show....

This.

If I have to use the bathroom real fast, someone would be like "Hey, take us with you!" Yet if I wanna have a few sausage links real quick, tsk, tsk, tsk at me for eating on the job? LOL. I thought y'all liked watching women swallow..... :mrgreen:

 

[BetsyBooty]

AssCork counting big piles of cash all night at a restaurant, and then not tipping the waitress as you leave is a dick move. Just because something is allowed by the rules does not mean it should be done.

Yeah, it seems there needs to be a distinction in this thread between "what a member can/should do" and "what a member might do if he prefers to be cool and have camgirls like him lots." Members are welcome to engage in all sorts of behavior ranging from charming to dickish; camgirls are likewise welcome to treat them with according appreciation, adoration, mockery or disdain.

 

[LadyLuna]

AssCork counting big piles of cash all night at a restaurant, and then not tipping the waitress as you leave is a dick move. Just because something is allowed by the rules does not mean it should be done.

AssCork's point was that members aren't going to know that they can hide their points, or aren't going to bother, because so few mess around with their options/settings.

 

[mynameisbob84]

AssCork counting big piles of cash all night at a restaurant, and then not tipping the waitress as you leave is a dick move. Just because something is allowed by the rules does not mean it should be done.

Yeah, it seems there needs to be a distinction in this thread between "what a member can/should do" and "what a member might do if he prefers to be cool and have camgirls like him lots." Members are welcome to engage in all sorts of behavior ranging from charming to dickish; camgirls are likewise welcome to treat them with according appreciation, adoration, mockery or disdain.

I think this is about the long and short of it, yo.

Here be some bullet points for funsies...

- Members are under no obligation to tip models
- Models aren't unconditionally entitled to a member's tokens
- Models reserve the right to ban members from their room at any time for any reason (up to and including being a non-tipping freeloader)
- Lurking in a room a little while to suss the vibe and decide whether or not it's a room you wanna hang out in is not the worst thing in the world. If you decide you like what you see and you wanna stay a while longer, you should tip. If you decide it's not for you - while a small parting tip might be a nice gesture - if you decide not to tip, it doesn't necessarily make you a bad person.
- Hanging out in a room for an excessive amount of time without tipping (if you have tokens to tip with), while allowed by the rules of MFC, is a little less than ethical and way less than cool
- Dave Gilmour's guitar solo at the end of "Comfortably Numb" on the Pulse DVD/CD is shitflingingly awesome
- Tokens are probably best hidden to avoid hurt feelings and needless frustration

 

[Jupiter551]

I think this is about the long and short of it, yo.

Here be some bullet points for funsies...

- Members are under no obligation to tip models
- Models aren't unconditionally entitled to a member's tokens
- Models reserve the right to ban members from their room at any time for any reason (up to and including being a non-tipping freeloader)
- Lurking in a room a little while to suss the vibe and decide whether or not it's a room you wanna hang out in is not the worst thing in the world. If you decide you like what you see and you wanna stay a while longer, you should tip. If you decide it's not for you - while a small parting tip might be a nice gesture - if you decide not to tip, it doesn't necessarily make you a bad person.
- Hanging out in a room for an excessive amount of time without tipping (if you have tokens to tip with), while allowed by the rules of MFC, is a little less than ethical and way less than cool
- Dave Gilmour's guitar solo at the end of "Comfortably Numb" on the Pulse DVD/CD is shitflingingly awesome
- Tokens are probably best hidden to avoid hurt feelings and needless frustration

- Having "balla", "pimp", "rich" etc in your name almost always means you're not.
- Having "thick", "cock", or "fuck" in your name usually means you are, but not how you meant it.

 

[EdgarAllenWhoa]

- Having "balla", "pimp", "rich" etc in your name almost always means you're not.
- Having "thick", "cock", or "fuck" in your name usually means you are, but not how you meant it.

<snort> <coffee shoots out nose> <GACK> LOLOLOL

...okay u got me, well said.


I always thought it was a bit dumb to call oneself MrGiantCock or Ramitupinya


Also, Gilmour's phrasing and rifs in combination with long hold notes does make C.N. wonderful. even the later stuff holds up well...if I was forced to go and see a senior citizen tour (Stones, Who, etc.) Floyd would maybe the only one I would spend the money/time on seeing. Even though I am fairly loyal to Roger Waters.