Why was wax_simulacra banned on CB?

[justjoinedtopost]

done, sorry (had to dig around to find the spoiler tag)

It was early. Hadn't even had coffee yet. Just wasn't ready to run across that.

Tbh, I wouldn't even give the picture itself much thought. Seeing the Chaturbate logo in the top corner puts a different spin on it. Context is everything I guess.

 

[fandango]

Dear Chaturbate,

 

[wax_simulacra]

If anyone would be interested what am I doing now, I am currently working on Streamate. It was literally the only one cam-site that allowed to broadcast with mask, some sites are linked with CB and did not allow me to sign up because of that ban.
I was so stupid that I did not promote my twitter back then, so my followers just vanished, not knowing what happened to me *facepalm*
Streamate is ok, but.. 30% of earnings It's upsetting.
Not sure if I am allowed to give any of my links, but here goes:

twitter - https://twitter.com/Simulacra_Wax

streamate - https://www.streamate.com/cam/wax_simulacra/

 

[wax_simulacra]

Actually, as I looked through the Terms of Service it says nothing about people who look younger their age.
For example, when I thought joining MFC I read in their rules "Models that "look too young" in the opinion of our trained administrators will be removed". And I was like "Okay, thanks for warning".
But Chaturbate does not claim that, on the contrary it is supposed to be a very open platform, that's why I liked it a lot.
A year ago when I just started working there were a few bans, which were solved shortly afterwards I wrote to Support.
But that's a mega-drop-dead ban now. They invented a new rule and discriminated me on its basis.
Here I may show some more from our conversations:

 

[Tracerhead]

Yeah, seeing that picture of how she was portraying herself in her stream, I can kind of understand why she got punished. I think an outright ban is a bit harsh, but something needed to be done.

 

[AudriTwo]

I just think CB is being way too harsh, and is really shooting themselves in the foot with their quick to ban ask questions later after the user they banned emails the a million times. Look at all the top models that could of made them a buttload of money.

If you don't want people to perform age play shows, understandable. Do what you need to do. But looking young? When I was 22, I looked 16. Some people just can't help it.

 

[nzhere]

What ever happen to commonsense

"Thank you for your report, we have Valid legal documents (Passport) and driver license on file for this model which we are happy with in meeting all legal requirements." If you are wanting take this further please contact our legal department re 2257 compliancy

https://chaturbate.com/2257/
https://chaturbate.com/law_enforcement/

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

Yeah, seeing that picture of how she was portraying herself in her stream, I can kind of understand why she got punished. I think an outright ban is a bit harsh, but something needed to be done.

hope you don't mean my post. that wasn't the person this thread is about (who was banned many weeks ago), that was just my most recent example of CB enforcing its rule (since many people complain 'I reported x and x was still online an hour later' -- it may take time, but it does happen)

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Yeah, seeing that picture of how she was portraying herself in her stream, I can kind of understand why she got punished. I think an outright ban is a bit harsh, but something needed to be done.

I am glad to see I'm not the only one who got that impression from the picture of the performer @uncoveredmanhole posted. One of those "Ack!" moments for me initially, had started to question whether my initial feeling was grounded or not. I know I don't care for it much.

...some sites are linked with CB and did not allow me to sign up because of that ban.

That's really messed up. Reminds me of the model 'youtubedz/youtubed' from a year or so back who also got banned.

I don't know why she got banned. I heard through the grapevine it was for looking underage, and that she was convinced other models had conspired to get her banned because she was meeting with success. Don't know about all that, but I do remember being suspicious about her age after the ban. Cast a cloud over her I guess, even knowing how screwed up CB is.

 

[wax_simulacra]

What ever happen to commonsense

"Thank you for your report, we have Valid legal documents (Passport) and driver license on file for this model which we are happy with in meeting all legal requirements." If you are wanting take this further please contact our legal department re 2257 compliancy

https://chaturbate.com/2257/
https://chaturbate.com/law_enforcement/

oh, can you please explain me this moment a bit more detailed?

 

[Tracerhead]

hope you don't mean my post. that wasn't the person this thread is about (who was banned many weeks ago), that was just my most recent example of CB enforcing its rule (since many people complain 'I reported x and x was still online an hour later' -- it may take time, but it does happen)

Oh, I misunderstood then. Yeah, that kind of behavior is something that I most definitely agree needs to be punished. However, there is a difference between looking young and attempting to portray yourself as an illegal age. It seems that Chaturbate is leaning towards the extreme end of safety to avoid any kind of legal controversy with no regard for how it affects their performers, and ultimately their bottom line. While this might be the safe thing to do legally, it isn't fair to those who have done nothing wrong beyond appearing to be an age they are not.

 

[rstanton]

I don't know why she got banned. I heard through the grapevine it was for looking underage, and that she was convinced other models had conspired to get her banned because she was meeting with success. Don't know about all that, but I do remember being suspicious about her age after the ban. Cast a cloud over her I guess, even knowing how screwed up CB is.

That's what I wonder. Are the complaints coming from other models?

One model was asking us to check if she was on the CB front page. She was, then she complained that she wasn't on the top row and started commenting on the ones that were on the top row.

She said, "Maybe I should put my hair in ponytails and buy some stuffed animals."

I guess it doesn't make any difference where the information comes from if CB agrees with it.

 

[curacing]

Wow!
Replies for the lady herself, notice I didn't say young lady...well now we know, I never once ever thought she looked too young or underage.
Yes id suspect other models, I've experienced one very bitchy one who banned me from her page when I said I'd already had a pvt earlier, from thd same country as our banned friend.
Well I have to pay a visit to her new site and say sorry for broadcasting her troubles

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

I am glad to see I'm not the only one who got that impression from the picture of the performer @uncoveredmanhole posted. One of those "Ack!" moments for me initially, had started to question whether my initial feeling was grounded or not. I know I don't care for it much.

well it sounds like I did the right thing in reporting her, then.

would you report this one?

Spoiler: non-nude asian camgirl

I didn't, because it just seems really unfair, 'cause there is that cliche of Japanese girls looking younger. she claims to be 20, even though we all know she could get more interest/make more money saying she's only 18, so she's not trying to do anything but be attractive like everyone else, it's not her fault she kinda looks 13 half the time.

 

[SaffronBurke]

well it sounds like I did the right thing in reporting her, then.

would you report this one?

Spoiler: non-nude asian camgirl

I didn't, because it just seems really unfair, 'cause there is that cliche of Japanese girls looking younger. she claims to be 20, even though we all know she could get more interest/make more money saying she's only 18, so she's not trying to do anything but be attractive like everyone else, it's not her fault she kinda looks 13 half the time.

She doesn't seem to be trying to look younger, her setup and outfit make her look to me like she's in college.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

well it sounds like I did the right thing in reporting her, then.

would you report this one?

Spoiler: non-nude asian camgirl

I didn't, because it just seems really unfair, 'cause there is that cliche of Japanese girls looking younger. she claims to be 20, even though we all know she could get more interest/make more money saying she's only 18, so she's not trying to do anything but be attractive like everyone else, it's not her fault she kinda looks 13 half the time.

No, probably not.

Truthfully, I block Asians on sites I can. There are some really beautiful Asians, but I block because 1) Outside of the occasional beauty, they don't really appeal to me, and 2) A LOT of them look too young to me. Something with the cheekbones throws off my internal age approximator.

I rarely report anything. I reported one of the Latin American group cams not long ago because it had a young man who looked like he was about 12 or 13 (cam as a whole was pretty shady looking too). Before that, reported a few vids that were being broadcast by scammers.

The two most serious things I ever reported were a while back. One was on mfc, the other was on cb. Mfc took their violator down within minutes; CB took days/weeks(?) to handle their business.

 

[rstanton]

Truthfully, I block Asians on sites I can. There are some really beautiful Asians, but I block because 1) Outside of the occasional beauty, they don't really appeal to me, and 2) A LOT of them look too young to me. Something with the cheekbones throws off my internal age approximator.

In addition to that a majority of them, especially the ones in the Philippines, look to me like they have been crammed into closets and are being held hostage.

 

[wax_simulacra]

Oh, guys, why on Earth do you ever report people who look in your opinion too young and judge them that they try to pretend they are younger to get money from those perverts?
There is a really tiny chance that there are real minors AND probably it's the only pretty legal way for those people to earn money. When you report them you get them in trouble and they loose their money which they may need for something really important.
It seems to me that most of you live in good countries, where even with the minimal wage you can afford yourself food and rent. In my country you CAN'T afford rent with minimal wage, but there are countries with even more f****d up economy.
If you want to help a model, try to get to know her and her situation.
If you don't care, just don't bother yourselves watching.

I was shouting all loud to everyone that I'm 23. But for somebody I looked like a minor, tastes and impressions differ, probably somebody thought "what a poor little Eastern European girl, she is probably a hostage!". And viola, I lost one of my the most effective source of earning money for my further education, which was actually the reason why I started camming.

Sorry if I may sound harsh, but that's how I feel

 

[Reckly]

Well, now I'm worried about being banned simply because I wear twintails sometimes. Until now, I've been thinking it looks cute. Now I think it makes me look too young.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Oh, guys, why on Earth do you ever report people who look in your opinion too young and judge them that they try to pretend they are younger to get money from those perverts?
There is a really tiny chance that there are real minors AND probably it's the only pretty legal way for those people to earn money. When you report them you get them in trouble and they loose their money which they may need for something really important.
It seems to me that most of you live in good countries, where even with the minimal wage you can afford yourself food and rent. In my country you CAN'T afford rent with minimal wage, but there are countries with even more f****d up economy.
If you want to help a model, try to get to know her and her situation.
If you don't care, just don't bother yourselves watching.

I was shouting all loud to everyone that I'm 23. But for somebody I looked like a minor, tastes and impressions differ, probably somebody thought "what a poor little Eastern European girl, she is probably a hostage!". And viola, I lost one of my the most effective source of earning money for my further education, which was actually the reason why I started camming.

Sorry if I may sound harsh, but that's how I feel

Last one I report, the one I saw a boy looked too young, he looked young, and there were several people on cam. I don't run around reporting too young every time I see something that makes me wonder or just looks youthful.

Looking at your pictures, I would not have reported. Probably would not have watched long enough to decide (because I don't like mask mostly).

But something to remember. Here where I live, that is serious. One day I reported girl who looked too young, and profile said underage too. Then, I did not even have a choice. Had to report her to the cam site, and to the government. Is the law. I would have reported her anyway (because it bothered me), but the government says it is not optional.

Some people might feel like they have no choice but to report. Then they just get carried away. I don't know.

I know if I see something I think needs reporting, thinking they might lose money is not going to matter. And definitely not going to try to get to know them better.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

Oh, guys, why on Earth do you ever report people who look in your opinion too young and judge them that they try to pretend they are younger to get money from those perverts?
If you don't care, just don't bother yourselves watching.

Sorry if I may sound harsh, but that's how I feel

if CB is worried they'll have to shut down because they break pedo laws by allowing people to perform what could constitute child porn (by participant behavior not participant age), then it becomes my business, as someone who relies on CB not getting shut down (since there's no reasonable alternative for me). CB has to look out for itself and the ability to operate for all its other thousands of models and that comes before any one particular model.

bottom line is if a report is misguided, nothing will happen. it's up to their judgment, all you can do is ask them to exercise it.

I don't buy your whole line of reasoning. it sounds like this... 'what if these poor people have to rob your neighbour's house because they don't have better options for getting ahead? why do you have to report to the cops people who in your opinion look like they're burglarizing a house? just ignore it if you don't like it!'

 

[wax_simulacra]

I don't buy your whole line of reasoning. it sounds like this... 'what if these poor people have to rob your neighbour's house because they don't have better options for getting ahead? why do you have to report to the cops people who in your opinion look like they're burglarizing a house? just ignore it if you don't like it!'

Do you seriously think it's a good example? -_- Like, oh my. Seriously?
I did not mean people pretending to be underage, just those who look younger.

From the thread I still didn't get what is going on exactly with the law about adults portraying themselves as children.
So, where is the line one person considers another one young looking? We all see differently.
And where is the line between attributes for cuteness and pretending to be young?

 

[wax_simulacra]

I did not mean people pretending to be underage, just those who look younger.

no, actually I did mean them somehow, but anyway, my questions on previous post are still open

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

So, where is the line one person considers another one young looking? We all see differently.
And where is the line between attributes for cuteness and pretending to be young?

IKR.
when I was growing up there was a model 'Emily18' who was in her twenties but very clearly did a lot of ugly appealing-to-preteen-fetish photoshoots. and somehow her website/career managed to avoid any legal issues. CB would've banned her in a heartbeat.

I would guess that if you have your own site you KNOW you're legit and you can win any legal battles. Whereas CB is only going on faith that you're legit ... IDs can be faked, and they don't want to lose their website/income and thousands of models chosen place to cam over standing firm in their belief that some Latvian or Romanian driver's licence is legit.

I would assume CB just operates like a nightclub bouncer -- taking a quick look and being like 'ok, fine, whatever'. They don't KNOW your ID is actually legit, it's just well made. The legal requirement is only for them to keep a record of this ID, not to vet the ID.

Maybe if there was some paid service to 'ultra-verify', that could be a solution -- the model would literally pay CB for the time and effort it would take to contact the respective government to verify that ID number is valid and the corresponding details are legit. At that point, CB would know as well as any solo model/webmaster that there should be no legal danger in letting the model cam and can afford to stand up for them and reject any bullshit reports.

 

[curacing]

Do you seriously think it's a good example? -_- Like, oh my. Seriously?
I did not mean people pretending to be underage, just those who look younger.

From the thread I still didn't get what is going on exactly with the law about adults portraying themselves as children.
So, where is the line one person considers another one young looking? We all see differently.
And where is the line between attributes for cuteness and pretending to be young?

I never expected this thread about why the nice cute friend I knew from CB had been banned to turn into a discussion on child exploration, do you guys patrol all the cam sites looking for girls that look too young to save them and the cam sites from getting in trouble?
I do think the idea about a government verifyed age checking option would have saved a few models their jobs.
Wax, the person who reported you for looking too young obiously has a very warped judgement of a girls age or was just a spiteful person who may have been jealous of your cuteness and camming attributes)))it sucks you are not on CB Anymore, SM sites just not the same IMHO.

 

[Nikola Tesla]

discussion on child exploration,

I don't think that word means what you think it means

 

[curacing]

Lol, yes, how do you edit a post?

 

[AudriTwo]

Lol, yes, how do you edit a post?

you have 15 minutes to edit/delete your post. After the time is up. It's on the internet....


**just quote and edit it from there.

 

[SoTxBob]

With all this, I'd wonder about the girls being in jeopardy of bans that do any sort of anime or cosplay. Much of that tends to make you look a lot younger..... even with huge 'chesticals'.

As far as Cb and the frequent bans, I wonder if there might be some financial shenanigans for banning so many, [totally unspoken of course.] It used to be that when someone was banned, they forfeited all the earnings to CB. Since the site has exploded in popularity to so many that don't seem to be terribly fluent in English, they might not feel they have the linguistics to fight the ban and just move on. I could be wrong, but I am very suspicious of any corp. that has a strangle hold around their contractors/workers and is constantly gaining from the hard work of others with no recourse.

 

[heybarkeep]

oh, wow, I didn't even expect to stumble on this thread O_O
thank you for worrying about me, pretty strangers
well, if it's still actual, and interests anybody, here is the "reason" of my ban.

I hope you rated the reply with a frowny face. Chaturbate sounds awful. Heard that you can't even drink on cam. Buncha straightedge nerds running things over there at Chaturbate.