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A good one is:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack

Arguments pro-Russian hack I left out include:
- The FireEye's findings that used timing evidence: The hackers apparently were accessing the system during Russian hours (UTC+3) and followed Russian holidays.
- The argument that Guccifer doesn't speak Romanian fluently.

The reason I excluded the timing argument was because because Guccifer2.0, the person attributed to the hacker says he is Romanian. Romania is UTC+3 (duh!), so that seems flimsy to me. I left the Romanian fluency argument out because I have no idea how "fluent" he was, not speaking the language.

From that article what I seem to gather is that the original source of all of this evidence is a private company named CrowdStrike that was hired by the DNC to investigate their server's breach supposedly in April, but we only learned about this after the hacks were made public, right before Guccifer published the leaks... and then 2 other private companies hired after the leak by the DNC. It doesn't sound like the most transparent thing in my opinion. The cyrillic files with the name of that russian guy could have been planted there for all we know. It could be the truth or it could be a lie, after all the black operations they had running on the campaign I wouldn't be surprised if it was a story they made up to handle the Wikileaks situation.

But let's assume it is all true. That this is the first time the DNC tells us the truth this election cycle, and that the Intelligence Agencies are actually doing their job instead of covering up for the Clintons, and that these third party companies were also 100% transparent. Let's assume this was the work of Russia.... so what?

Are Hillary's crimes and the DNC black operations any less awful? There are new emails from Podesta leaked where he talks to someone about taking advantage that illegals in several states have driving licenses to get 50k of them to vote committing election fraud. Is that somehow better if the origin of the leaks was Russia?
 
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There are new emails from Podesta leaked where he talks to someone about taking advantage that illegals in several states have driving licenses to get 50k of them to vote committing election fraud. Is that somehow better if the origin of the leaks was Russia?
Sounds like a good argument for amnesty.
 
I just realized that no matter who wins this election I personally win.

If Hillary wins everything will remain the same, we wont have borders and neither will the US, which from a pragmatist point of view is fantastic for me, it means I can continue to exploit the lack of borders living literally wherever the fuck I feel like which is the way I have been living for the past 10 years. With some luck they will pressure Japan into laxing its immigration laws and I will be able to milk it until the degradation invariably hits

If Trump wins I will be morally satisfied with the end of globalism and the revival of the nation-state. It will suck for me personally to hang the backpack, but with a little bit of luck we will have an echo here and someone will Make Spain Great Again, kiss the commie trash goodbye and also all the awful immigration from 3rd world shitholes and I will enjoy a cleaner and safer country with borders that we can defend and proper values (in which case: why travel?)
 
I just realized that no matter who wins this election I personally win.

If Hillary wins everything will remain the same, we wont have borders and neither will the US, which from a pragmatist point of view is fantastic for me, it means I can continue to exploit the lack of borders living literally wherever the fuck I feel like which is the way I have been living for the past 10 years. With some luck they will pressure Japan into laxing its immigration laws and I will be able to milk it until the degradation invariably hits

If Trump wins I will be morally satisfied with the end of globalism and the revival of the nation-state. It will suck for me personally to hang the backpack, but with a little bit of luck we will have an echo here and someone will Make Spain Great Again, kiss the commie trash goodbye and also all the awful immigration from 3rd world shitholes and I will enjoy a cleaner and safer country with borders that we can defend and proper values (in which case: why travel?)
Wow I had no idea Trump was going to be responsible for the borders in Spain, the immigration policy of Japan, getting rid of communism and 3rd world shithole inhabitants....

May I suggest you are reading a bit too much into this election?
 
Wow I had no idea Trump was going to be responsible for the borders in Spain, the immigration policy of Japan, getting rid of communism and 3rd world shithole inhabitants....

May I suggest you are reading a bit too much into this election?

You dont seem to understand how things work globally. US politics influence the rest of the world. This election will not only define the spirit of the renewal (or not) within the Republican party and the direction the US will take for the next 8 years, it will also shape the West, the Middle East, and Japan.

If Trump wins the Republican Party will never be the same. The US will take a different route the next 8 years including in foreign politics where Saudi Arabia, Soros, MSM and Qatar will have less of a say in what happens, and there might be a new relationship with Russia. But most importantly, a Trump government would cease to pressure the EU and Japan to keep their borders open and the EU in place.

The rest of the world will also respond to a Trump administration. It would give permission to nationalism to rise, parties to form, and people to vote for them. Particularly in Spain where there is no right party and nationalism is non-existant in the political landscape even when 50% of the people have a stronk nationalistic sentiment. People need "permission" to think and say and do certain things after 50 years of thought policing by the left.

So yeah, a lot of things hang on this election beyond the US borders.
 
. . . It seems sloppy for Russia to leave so many incriminating clues, if they were going to release it, and why would they want the World to know it was them? Wouldn't that be counter-productive and only give fuel for Hillary?

That's what's bothered me about the origin of the attacks: Russia seems not to have made any real effort to conceal its role in the attacks. They obviously know how to remain obscure, so leaving ample clues must have been their choice. To what end I can't even guess.
 
You dont seem to understand how things work globally.
You dont seem to understand how a bait and switch works. Pin your hopes on Trump.

That's what's bothered me about the origin of the attacks: Russia seems not to have made any real effort to conceal its role in the attacks. They obviously know how to remain obscure, so leaving ample clues must have been their choice. To what end I can't even guess.
That is what bothered me about the bit with Trump repeating the Russian propaganda.
http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-pu...-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635
 
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. . . .That is what bothered me about the bit with Trump repeating the Russian propaganda.
http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-pu...-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635

I'm a bit surprised that this story hasn't gotten more attention. However, it is a little convoluted and hard to explain for the general reader. . .

There have also been a lot of stories about the Russian "Troll Factories," which "[churn] out fake news and comment, particularly on Ukraine, and floods websites and social media with denunciations of Russia’s critics."

very thorough article: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html

Also see:
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...agandist-in-Russias-secret-troll-factory.html
 
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I'm a bit surprised that this story hasn't gotten more attention. However, it is a little convoluted and hard to explain for the general reader. . .

There have also been a lot of stories about the Russian "Troll Factories," which "[churn] out fake news and comment, particularly on Ukraine, and floods websites and social media with denunciations of Russia’s critics."

very thorough article: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html

Also see:
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...agandist-in-Russias-secret-troll-factory.html

I agree... trolls are terrible! Check out this leak from the Hillary Clinton campaign!

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I'm a bit surprised that this story hasn't gotten more attention. However, it is a little convoluted and hard to explain for the general reader. . .

There have also been a lot of stories about the Russian "Troll Factories," which "[churn] out fake news and comment, particularly on Ukraine, and floods websites and social media with denunciations of Russia’s critics."

very thorough article: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html

Also see:
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...agandist-in-Russias-secret-troll-factory.html
Read those when the story first came out. I am not sold. Mainly because it seems just too convenient. Maybe Trump is just inept; he's latched onto how many other bs claims now? No reason why he wouldn't gobble up any Russian scraps he could find.

I voted against Trump based on his words. The going backstage at pageants for one thing; my mother raised me better than that. Another thing was his need for vindictiveness. To say nothing of the fact that he can't go 5 minutes without lying about something. It's a little surreal. Also alarm raising has been the "believe me...believe me", "nobody has more blah-blah than me", and the constant overselling. Reeks of overcompensation.

I don't too much give a shit about foreigners who see Trump as a way to fight left wing overreaches in Europe, or think he "would give permission for nationalism to rise". But I really feel bad for the Americans, who like me, are fed up with an out of control government. Trump has stolen from these people, whether he wins or not. He has taken their energy and their outrage, and channeled it into an embarrassingly incoherent self-serving promo tour.

"As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?

We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS.

So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them." -- Donald Trump


“I think we need do much more with our tech companies to prevent ISIS and their operatives from being able to use the internet to radicalize, even direct people in our country and Europe and elsewhere.” -- Hillary Clinton


Something I have been wondering. Is this whole debacle the rumblings of an internet crackdown, regardless of who wins? Meh, maybe just conspiracy theory shit.

I agree... trolls are terrible! Check out this leak from the Hillary Clinton campaign!

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http://www.realtruenews.org/single-post/2016/10/11/Leaked-Memo-Clinton-Dirty-Tricks-Team
http://www.realtruenews.org/single-post/2016/10/15/LEAKED-TROLLING-STRATEGY-MEMO
http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/1...memo-for-trolling-twitter-reddit-4chan/14346/


Sock-puppetry: The Lost Art

Sock-puppetry, or the practice of a single user posting under different aliases, burst onto the internet scene sometime in the 1990's. Nowadays it is commonplace, but in those early days there were true pioneers, men who defined the practice and inspired.

Businesses posting good reviews of themselves. Poll skewing. Glowing shows of admiration for one's own opinion. These things abound. You encounter them daily whether you realize it or not. But the puppetry I am referring to is different. It is an art. It is a game that gentlemen play.

The true sock-puppetry artist has no interest in monetary gains, or elevating opinions of himself, or garnering attention. Indeed, he eschews all of these things. He seeks only to play the game, and to play it well. His goal is to interact, manipulate, and then slip out without his underlying true presence ever being noticed. This can be malicious, or benevolent, or both.

I dabbled in sock-puppetry for a while. I certainly wasn't one of the greats, but I did have my moments. My last performance, which took place in the Rapture Ready forums over a decade ago, was the highlight of my career. Unfortunately, I wound up very nearly triggering WW III; for a few tense moments, the world teetered on the brink of total annihilation. After that, I swore...never again.

Puppeteering is not easy, at least not when done on the level I am referring to. Creating and maintaining different personas is draining work. Backgrounds must be invented, personality quirks must be developed. There are countless emails, PM's, or comment responses to make. All must be handled with the utmost care, each with the proper persona. One slip, and the gig is up.

And there is also the ever present danger that you will lose your real identity to the game. I remember one notable instance early in my career where I tried to do too much too soon. There were 10 different personas I was controlling in a discussion group, and things were going well. But there was one guy who just couldn't be toyed with. I jeered at him with some of my personalities while staunchly defending and encouraging him with others. Nothing. Needless to say, I was chagrined when I found out that this fellow was also a persona I was controlling, but had completely forgotten about. Even worse, I realized I was the only one who had even posted to the group in 22 days.

After that, I learned to keep things much simpler. I adopted more elegant, sophisticated approaches. I learned to distract with a brash, obnoxious, ignorant acting persona so that a quieter one could work unnoticed. People would become so consumed with anger for the distraction that they would lose focus. Emotional people are stupid, careless people. They are easily led about.

I learned to spend time building up two equally noble personas. Each would attempt to attract their own small following. I would introduce subtle tensions into the forum, and when the moment was right, a third, completely new persona would wander in with a seemingly benign post. My two noble generals would respond with differing opinions, and their followers would begin to chime in. And there, on the plain of Megiddo, for my pleasure the two armies I had raised would fight. Who won, who lost...it mattered not to me.

At times, I helped build communities. Other times, I laid waste to them. But it was never about better, or worse; it was only about change. It was only about the game.

Had I been born in a different time and place, I might have been an Alexander the Great; I might have been a Hitler; I might have been a Stalin; I might have been a Gandhi. But instead...I have been all of these. I have been a puppeteer.

The risks associated with sock-puppetry are simply too great for me these days. It can lead to real world consequences. There are legal implications to consider. And it is a young mans game, there is no doubt about that. But while I may have given it up long ago, it is still something I view as an art form (when done properly).
 
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Something I have been wondering. Is this whole debacle the rumblings of an internet crackdown, regardless of who wins? Meh, maybe just conspiracy theory shit.

I doubt it, at least nothing that would target ordinary users any more than they are already targeted by the NSA, etc. However, I think we'll start seeing more state-sponsored attacks and responses (The actors won't usually identify themselves, as is the case with Russia currently.)

https://morningconsult.com/alert/white-house-response-russia-hacking-not-limited-tit-tat/
 
Holy shit, Trump's speech at the Al Smith charity dinner... what a bloodbath.

First... the video. In case you haven't seen it yet:



This time, the time for yukking it up with the Establishment is over. Watch as Trump the court jester begins with his routine of juggling several glistening knives in the air, for the amusement of the white-tie audience, then calmly collects them one by one into his hands, and throws them straight into the chests of the plutocrats and the media.

The courtiers mocked him as a reality TV clown, and struck cruel blows against his little-people supporters whenever they felt like a little entertainment. So the jester decides to put on a show for the court where “Trump acts like Trump” and they’re all laughing along with the act. He convinces them it would be a riot for them to put on wax masks showing elitist caricatures, then begins a fire-breathing routine — only to spit the fire right onto their masks. As the courtiers scramble around the ballroom with their faces ablaze, the jester and his little-people companions storm out and burn down the rest of the palace.

Savor this moment when the elites realized they were more than the butt of Trump’s jokes; they were the target of his contempt:

 
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Holy shit, Trump's speech at the Al Smith charity dinner... what a bloodbath.

You know, I have been out of the loop for a while (political burnout), but this was fun. Thank you for posting it. It sure seems like this is a roast. I guess some stuff isn't funny in a roast? It got dark and I can't figure out if it was because of the booing or if it wasn't funny. It is interesting how my mind works listening to this.

It is amazing how Hillary just didn't get up an punch him in the face (Not sure if people Don Rickles would make fun of wanted to punch him--not that Trump, or his writers, are as good as Don). She just kind of shrugged it off. Which was cool. She knows she is loved by her party and the majority of America so I guess she can take anything.
 
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You know, I have been out of the loop for a while (political burnout), but this was fun. Thank you for posting it. It sure seems like this is a roast. I guess some stuff isn't funny in a roast? It got dark and I can't figure out if it was because of the booing or if it wasn't funny. It is interesting how my mind works listening to this.

It is amazing how Hillary just didn't get up an punch him in the face. She just kind of shrugged it off. Which was cool. She knows she is loved by her party and the majority of America so I guess she can take anything.

He started with light hearted jokes, alright. It turned dark the moment he started telling the truth, when he mentioned the corruption in Washington all the faces went agape because all the plutocrats sitting behind him and next to him are part of it. Suddenly the jokes weren't so funny to them, they started booing and gasping. Civility is for the civil. We owe these people nothing.

PS, this is my new wallpaper

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Holy shit, Trump's speech at the Al Smith charity dinner... what a bloodbath.

First... the video. In case you haven't seen it yet:





Savor this moment when the elites realized they were more than the butt of Trump’s jokes; they were the target of his contempt:



That was a surprisingly fun watch. As much as I dislike Trump, watching the establishment be publicly embarrassed is never not enjoyable. That said, I couldn't help but detect a note of resignation from Trump. It didn't feel like the fiery call-to-arms and brazen promise for change that I'm sure Republicans will hail it as, but more like an ill-tempered lashing out from someone who feels like they have nothing left to lose at this point so might as well get in a few shots on their way down.
 
He started with light hearted jokes, alright. It turned dark the moment he started telling the truth, when he mentioned the corruption in Washington all the faces went agape because all the plutocrats sitting behind him and next to him are part of it. Suddenly the jokes weren't so funny to them, they started booing and gasping. Civility is for the civil. We owe these people nothing.

So, it was a "friendly" roast (from a headline on NPR)? Mainly my question. I'm not sure what part of roasting people is friendly (Clinton and Trump have hung out together and know each other like any roasters and roastees). If it was a roast, the people that were there in the audience and booed should exit and stay in their safe spaces because I've never seen a roast where the worst about a person isn't brought up. Please don't tell me roasts are gonna get all politically correct.
 
watching the establishment be publicly embarrassed is never not enjoyable.

It is awkward. But it is funny. Some serious nerves were touched. It is amazing to see. I don't think I will ever be on the stage with Donald or Hillary, or Dolan (not sure how these amazing people do it--I'm guessing they have a lust for it and can be assholes), but it was interesting as a normal person in this world.
 
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He started with light hearted jokes, alright. It turned dark the moment he started telling the truth, when he mentioned the corruption in Washington all the faces went agape because all the plutocrats sitting behind him and next to him are part of it. Suddenly the jokes weren't so funny to them, they started booing and gasping. Civility is for the civil. We owe these people nothing.

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The expressions on their faces are priceless. It's a tableau of every variation of do-not-want-to-be-here dismayed bemusement. Cardinal Dolan is doing a hanky-aided face palm, and Michael Bloomberg--wow, if looks could kill.
 
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Large scale DDOS attack today... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/22/business/internet-problems-attack.html

Last month, Bruce Schneier, a security expert and blogger, wrote on the Lawfare blog that someone had been probing the defenses of companies that run crucial pieces of the internet.

“These probes take the form of precisely calibrated attacks designed to determine exactly how well the companies can defend themselves, and what would be required to take them down,” Mr. Schneier wrote. “We don’t know who is doing this, but it feels like a large nation-state. China and Russia would be my first guesses.”
 
The only thing honest about trump's litany of "jokes"

Not exactly sure if roasts are supposed to be honest. They seem to always be over-exaggerating. Maybe Trump wasn't over-exaggerating enough? Or was he? Tough call. What is funny these days?
 
Not exactly sure if roasts are supposed to be honest. They seem to always be over-exaggerating. Maybe Trump wasn't over-exaggerating enough? Or was he?
They're supposed to be light hearted...with some "fun" digs at various people...but Trump was what he accused Hillary of--nasty.
 
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I was kinda wondering about what "Friendly" roasting is. Not sure where the line is drawn. I guess the crowd determines the line.

I think my problem is is that I don't know who is offended by what.

Hillary Clinton, the next President of the United States, knows Donald is just tossing stuff at her that her teflon armor can repel. Not a big deal. She is impervious to jaded comments. For 8 years we can love her more than Obama. We don't know exactly what she has done, but, she fits the bill as a President:

 
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and also all the awful immigration from 3rd world shitholes

Aren't you being extremely hypocritical here. I seem to remember from previous threads you saying you were from Venezuala and had to escape the regime there? Why is it OK for you to journey to another country for a better life but now that you've made it and are fine they need to raise the drawbridge and keep out all the rest of those damn foreigners?
 
Aren't you being extremely hypocritical here. I seem to remember from previous threads you saying you were from Venezuala and had to escape the regime there? Why is it OK for you to journey to another country for a better life but now that you've made it and are fine they need to raise the drawbridge and keep out all the rest of those damn foreigners?
That was before she heard Trump read "The Snake". Doesn't count.
 
Aren't you being extremely hypocritical here. I seem to remember from previous threads you saying you were from Venezuala and had to escape the regime there? Why is it OK for you to journey to another country for a better life but now that you've made it and are fine they need to raise the drawbridge and keep out all the rest of those damn foreigners?

First of all, dont assume you know my life history from loose comments I say here and there. I am spanish, I only lived in Venezuela for 14 years. I know many Anglos have a problem with geography and tend to lump Spain with places like Mexico and Guatemala, but Spain is Europe. Spanish is a European language most South Americans butcher.

Second of all, the problem is not all immigration, there are good people everywhere. The problem is with illegal immigration and because of the shitty laws you passed in 65, also with a portion of legal immigration in the US. The problem is not everyone though. You have a discrimination problem.

People like me don't break the law. I didn't cross the border with a coyote and $20 in my pocket. I have never been a part of a cartel, caused any sort of trouble to anyone else, I never broke the US law, I would never even think of violating any laws or being in any country unlawfully.

The people who are in the US illegally (and in Europe) are not like me. They aren't civilized people. They dont follow the law or have any respect for it, otherwise they would have never even thought of crossing the border illegally. Most of you defending these people have never been to South America or only took the all paid package to Cancun and spent a week drunk in a pretty hotel. Anyone who has ever lived in South America knows very damn well who these illegal immigrants are. They fact that you think all foreigners are the same is a big part of the problem.

But even if I was a chicana named something like Glendys who crossed the continent in a Chalupa with a bag of cocain up my ass, it wouldnt be hypocritical for Glendys to think that what she did was awful and a terrible thing for the US, it is simply facing reality. It says a lot about a person when they have to defend every shitty action they ever took and blind themselves to reality. It means they are still childish and incapable of thinking critically about themselves. You are allowed to judge your own actions in a negative light. If I was Glendys I probably wouldnt support Trump publicly though because I wouldnt want to be deported. Everyone has their own selfish agenda.
 
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Nigel Farage fought the EU for decades with a madman sort of strategy: he would go on his own against all the establishment and the media in the UK. People mocked him like they mock Trump today, but Brexit was his brightest victory. This is a great video to watch if you want to understand why people support Trump, Brexit, Viktor Orban, Frauke Petry, or even Marine LePen.

 


Dangerous Canadian radical discusses the underlying dynamics of trump's rise.
We may need another wall to keep guys like this out.
'MURICA!!!
 
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