Who are you voting for?

[n_i_c_u]

I think Hillary Clinton is the only choice in this election to carry the ball forward a bit, and maybe even make some real progress.

Apparently she is a really good politician, you know, the stuff she has done in her career, if you can get past the missteps (emails, and the dudes dying in Benghazi--but none of us are sooo great in foresight that we can claim to do any better had we been in the same position).

Trump is not a politician (he's just a guy that made a bunch of money, like Clinton, but without her support network in politics) which could be dangerous.

Edit: it is amazing that in my lifetime I saw Bush senior, Clinton, Bush jr. Obama, and then most likely Clinton again! What a dynasty of two families! Kudos to be being so electable!

 

[Mila_]

I don't know who y'all are voting for but Malik Obama is voting for Trump

 

[Osmia]

I don't know who y'all are voting for but Malik Obama is voting for Trump

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Fair enough, but FFS please change back your avatar! It's giving me severe cognitive dissonance!

 

[SoTxBob]

I honestly fail to understand how there can be such polarity between the folks voting for Hillary at this point and those looking at voting for Trump. Again as usual, it's come to the "lesser of 2 evils" in the choices.

~ On the one hand we have Hillary who has a long documented history of deceptions, outright lying to everyone from Congress, to the media, to parents of the Benghazi dead, to damn near anyone else she's had contact with. She has said many times over the years she's ready to use nukes as a solution if given the opportunity. Many of those sound bites have come to light in the last 6 months. The DNC Wasserman conspiracy is one more example that, to me at least, is evidence of her blatant above the law mentality. (No one is above the law) And, Hillary hiring Wasserman literally right off the stage for her personal [whatever title she gave her] is nothing more than another endorsement / support of an illegal action. She appears to believe that "laws are for little people, I will do what I want because they won't dare touch me. I have dirt on everybody." I'm not going to go into any of the foundation shenanigans that are being looked at by DOJ for racketeering and taking down select big players in the government/globalist thing....
Today I saw another tidbit.... Hillary thinks Barak O, would make an excellent supreme court justice.... Seriously, WTHF? this requires more digging.

~ Trumpie-- he has many faults. Many are originating from his 'talk first think next' way of reacting. He is not a politician nor does he have any of the deeply ingrained corporatists funding and guiding him. He is a not terribly polished for the media. They have found great ratings in picking at everything he spits out. He gives them plenty of fodder. He is far from a politically correct 'precious snowflake' that so many people of this generation seem to have become. When he actually verbalizes something that a lot of people are thinking, but too afraid to say, he is lambasted for it and labeled a racist or some other colorful term to push him into a box. He has chosen to wear many targets from illegal immigrants, to muslims, to BLM, black panthers etc etc, that a large majority of the US is afraid to even talk about in anything above a private whisper. He grabs the megaphone and shouts it. That offends a lot of folks. Perhaps its something to do with truth hurts, IDK.
Honestly, him being a more common man and actual businessman would be preferable to turn this ship around and get the US productive and self reliant again simply because he has always had the right batch of people as company crew to advise him and reach success. And at least in theory, he wants the US to stop meddling so much in other countries business. There's a new concept. [sure this can be picked at too.]

~As for poor ol Bern... He's alienated me and many of his followers when he caved in so early and supported Hillary. Look back at all of his, at this point, rhetoric that he presented to us about Hillary being not qualified, dishonest, supported and beholding to her super pacs and all of the corporatists that fund her and the foundation etc etc...... only to say fuckit and jump in her boat when he did... shame shame Bernie. You lost the will to fight and that tells me you aren't right to run the country .

My thumbnail view is that I will never trust Hillary. She has a very full closet of skeletons. I don't want to be one of them. I don't want her to have the keys to the nukes.
I would sooner Trust trump with those keys as a more common man that would actually consider the real impact of such an act on the real world.

November is still a ways off tho. Who knows what else will be dug up and released or who might be in jail by then..... Maybe space aliens will make a visit... lol.

TL/DR:
Gort, Klaatu Barada Nikto.

 

[SoTxBob]

 

[JickyJuly]

Voting for Jill Stein unless Bernie gets back in the game. A vote for Hillary, at this point, is a vote against the idea that our votes even matter. To accept that the DNC can rig their end of things and vote their candidate is not an option for me. Why even vote then? I'd rather have 4 years of the orange douche than completely give up on the idea of democracy. I mean, if they can be sleazy as shit, get their candidate into the White House anyway, the American citizens are forever screwed. They'll never even pretend to have clean hands again.

ETA: Sorry if this is hard to make sense of. I'm outnumbered by babies now and not getting much sleep. I tried to fix my grammar, but it's not happening today. I just made today two words and fixed that. Ugh. Hehehe.

 

[LuckySmiles]

Didn't it used to be like taboo to tell people who you're voting for? I kind of remember hearing that you never tell/ask someone. The same way that you never ask/tell someone their salary.
Now it's like tweet all the votes!! Random ponder.

I renewed my license in May the day after celebrating my bday with a raging hangover and checked "no" on the voter registration card out of spite. They still sent a card that they got me at this address anyways, even in a new county, since first registering...
I think I have to vote now or it will auto steal it for Hillary. That's how it works lol.

Honestly I think Trump is going to win. He seems to get more support than the media likes to cover. Also I think a lot of his voters don't go around telling people, haha. Understandably so.

I have still yet to meet the elusive Hillary fan in 3-D...
I've been assuming anyone who says it on the internet, has been hacked by Clinton foundation spam bots.

 

[Bocefish]

Playing at a theater near you...



And yes, Hillary has previously said Obama would make a good Supreme Court Judge and that she would consider nominating him if elected.

At this point, it's a little mind-boggling that anyone could seriously believe anything that comes out of her mouth but it's even scarier that her supporters know how crooked and corrupt she is and they don't care.

 

[Lexi Emerson]

Didn't it used to be like taboo to tell people who you're voting for? I kind of remember hearing that you never tell/ask someone. The same way that you never ask/tell someone their salary.
Now it's like tweet all the votes!! Random ponder.

I was thinking about this the other day, too. As a kid and even as a teenager I remember adults being very close lipped about it. If I asked about a candidate in public or asked who my mother liked, she would always tell me not to talk about it with others. Teachers always said not to ask people who they're voting for because it's personal. Now people like my mother spray it everywhere haha.

But I am super glad it is like this now honestly (at least for the most part). I think it gives an opportunity to learn more about candidates and even learn more about the people who are voting for them. It is super interesting how much that's changed though. I think it comes down to social media. Everyone has a voice on the Internet and they can say what they'd like and end the conversation when they'd like when in the real world, it isn't always like that!

 

[LuckySmiles]

. I think it gives an opportunity to learn more about candidates and even learn more about the people who are voting for them.

These seems super silly to me.
It's weird how people judge people on who they vote for. Everyone has one or two issues that are most important to them, but it isn't possible to agree with anyone on everything. Everyone has their priorities.

I'd be considered socially liberal but most controversial social issues are the least important things to me in politics. I don't care who marries who for example, and I'd never pick a president based on their stance on something like that. Even if it would effect me personally, it wouldn't factor into my vote. But that's just me.

I used to go to the polls with my mom growing up and push the buttons for her.
Super secret time...I think the one time I voted Kerry for Prez... I might have clicked on a few random extra candidates for offices that I had no idea who they were... like for funsies. I probably have mental problems. It was during the “class trip” in journalism 101... I may have been a little high...

I vaguely remember being like.. why yes Mr Smrogasborg! I believe you will make a fine addition to city council in this here town I live in 8 months a year. One button just wasn't enough for me!! I can't be the only one who ever did that. I think I tried doing it as a little kid in their with my mom too. So in that case I've actually been voting since 1988. Few Prezes few governors... some random nobodies on the bottom row...You're welcome America!

I know I bash Hillary Clinton, and I mean it from the bottom of my heart, I'm pretty sure she's killed people, and she's hella cunty to "little people" customer service types(i have inside intel), but I wouldn't judge someone for voting for her. (inside intel on the cuntiness... not the suspicious deaths)

It's like how people in the teamsters unions basically have to vote for certain people sometimes or they get their legs broken. I had to drive around with one of those stupid stickers on my first car growing up because of a relative aha. And they were like "No one's gonna try to fuck with you if you're by yourself because you have this sticker on the back." It was like my unofficial mafia connection card.

 

[yummybrownfox]

Didn't it used to be like taboo to tell people who you're voting for? I kind of remember hearing that you never tell/ask someone. The same way that you never ask/tell someone their salary.
Now it's like tweet all the votes!! Random ponder.

I renewed my license in May the day after celebrating my bday with a raging hangover and checked "no" on the voter registration card out of spite. They still sent a card that they got me at this address anyways, even in a new county, since first registering...
I think I have to vote now or it will auto steal it for Hillary. That's how it works lol.

Honestly I think Trump is going to win. He seems to get more support than the media likes to cover. Also I think a lot of his voters don't go around telling people, haha. Understandably so.

I have still yet to meet the elusive Hillary fan in 3-D...
I've been assuming anyone who says it on the internet, has been hacked by Clinton foundation spam bots.

Yes, I remember once asking someone who they were voting for, and I think they told me that it's not polite to ask or something like that. It's probably because there are so many folks out there who are very nasty towards others when learning that they're voting for such and such. Like the people who say "DemocRATS" and go on their rants about how Democrats are this and that.

 

[SoTxBob]

I was thinking about this the other day, too. As a kid and even as a teenager I remember adults being very close lipped about it. If I asked about a candidate in public or asked who my mother liked, she would always tell me not to talk about it with others......

LoL, I remember this also. My folks barely talked politics with each other. Mom was a party ticket Dem always parroting "the democrats represent the common man" while pop would weigh the options and listen to the others at least and vote cross ticket as the most qualified for the job.
As said before, this Dem party is not the same one that it was even 25-30 years ago. It was hijacked away from "the people" and taken by the libs that are after the power and control and don't give a crap about us any more.
and.... i hear now that the DNC chair has changed yet again. 3x in less than 24 hours. How anyone can still believe that this party and Hillary is the best for the country is beyond me.
I suppose tho the upside to everything is that when Trump wins by some huge landslide, Hollywood will have a few vacancies with all the idiots that have vowed to leave the USA for other countries.

PS. this just in;
"DNC Email Leaks Show Racist Outreach to Latinos Called “Taco Bowl Engagement”

 

[LuckySmiles]

I shit you not my internets been out since my last post lol. This is me reporting from my phone. Conspiracy confirmed. Pray for me. hahaha

 

[Mila_]

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This thread is BASED!

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Regardless of who wins, Hilary or Trump, I'm mostly just interested in how the Libertarian party fares this election. Gary Johnson is up to 15% in some polls, and is in the lead when it comes to the troops. This is pretty amazing for a third party; if Johnson gets 15% he'll be able to participate in the national debates, which is huge considering most people haven't heard of him, let alone hear any of the things he has to say. I don't think he'll win, of course, but a high % and talking at the debates could be the shift people need to start considering third parties and hopefully break out of the 2 party system we currently have. It sucks that people say voting third party is a vote for Trump; it's not, and the reason it's doing so well in the polls is because both Republicans and Democrats are breaking away from their parties and finding common ground in the Libertarian party. Yes, I believe Trump is evil and it sucks to not vote against him, but at the same time his campaign is part of why the Libertarian party is doing so well, and likely the catalyst the Libs needs to finally be put on the map, and I think that's too crucial an opportunity to waste on voting for the lesser of two evils once again. I think this election is really important in being the first step in the direction of a multi-party system which will continue to be important long after the next president finishes their term.

 

[EspiKvlt]

In my opinion there is nothing undemocratic about requiring U.S citizens to vote.

That is just.... wow....

Yay totalitarianism!

 

[Guy]

Trump has just bounced ahead in the polls http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Voting for Jill Stein unless Bernie gets back in the game. A vote for Hillary, at this point, is a vote against the idea that our votes even matter. To accept that the DNC can rig their end of things and vote their candidate is not an option for me. Why even vote then? I'd rather have 4 years of the orange douche than completely give up on the idea of democracy. I mean, if they can be sleazy as shit, get their candidate into the White House anyway, the American citizens are forever screwed. They'll never even pretend to have clean hands again.

ETA: Sorry if this is hard to make sense of. I'm outnumbered by babies now and not getting much sleep. I tried to fix my grammar, but it's not happening today. I just made today two words and fixed that. Ugh. Hehehe.

I am in agreement with you here. I was originally planning to vote Trump, with the view that it was either him or Hillary. But I am starting to view this a lot more seriously than I originally did.

So Bernie gets back in, or else it's Stein.

 

[Guy]

That is just.... wow....

Yay totalitarianism!

http://theweek.com/articles/612879/why-should-legally-required-vote

 

[EspiKvlt]

"Totalitarianism is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible."

Voting: a private act I can choose to participate in.

Government regulating this private act: an act of totalitarianism.

 

[EspiKvlt]

I'm an anarchist. I voted "none" in the poll. The idea of the government forcing me to participate in something I don't believe in to begin with is really disgusting to me.

 

[EspiKvlt]

Let's try to keep this discussion fun, polite, and civil, and if anything use it to try to understand the other side.

*facepalms the post where I state my political views*

lmao ok sorry i have a different stance than y'all my bad

 

[Osmia]

Too many pro-Trump posts just above. Need to restore some balance.


This article about the ghostwriter of The Art of the Deal, and how he wrote the book (Trump was not easy to work with). He's now come out against Trump, and just last week, in response, Trump's lawyer sent a threatening letter to the author.

This article in Bloomberg's website: Trump's Never Managed to Be a Manager (basically arguing that the size of Trump's operation isn't very big). BTW, Michael Bloomberg, who is nominally a Republican, is speaking at the Democratic convention.

I was surprised to find this largely favorable (to Trump) article in Slate: I Can’t Believe I’m About to Defend Donald Trump’s Business Skills

 

[EspiKvlt]

Ok so I can see that my particular political stance is unwelcome. Apparently it's trolling to simply state it. I'm going to remove myself from this discussion now.

 

[Guy]

I'm an anarchist. I voted "none" in the poll. The idea of the government forcing me to participate in something I don't believe in to begin with is really disgusting to me.

I never said people should not be allowed to write blank.

 

[Behemoth]

http://theweek.com/articles/612879/why-should-legally-required-vote

I'd argue voting itself is no less unethical, though this is something Espi and I disagree on (which is fine,) but I have to absolutely agree with the principle that forcing someone to vote is inherently unethical.

You seem to forget, I'm CHOOSING not to vote. It is not ethical to compel someone to do anything in this way. But even more, that article that was posted here doesn't even seem to justify why increasing voter turnout is necessary. It does a lot of 'begging the question,' basically. The premise is 'voter turn out is low' yet never asks why high voter turnout is necessary or good. Is the idea that somehow, it will force folks to be 'more involved,' yet that implies some sort of obligation to be involved. Yet the government is (ostensibly) supposed to be working for the people, meaning they should be making me want to vote, theoretically. They should be providing me a candidate I WANT to go out and support.

Which they have not, even putting aside my objections to voting as a concept.

My choice to not vote is a vote of no confidence in any of the candidates. Far from the 'if you don't vote, you don't get as say,' the truth is, if you DO vote, you are consenting to the results. I am objecting to them preemptively, because none of the candidates are people I can support. I suspect Espi is much the same way. And any argument over 'lesser of two evils' is implicitly you trying to just backdoor into me voting for your candidate because you are making a pitch that your candidate is the lesser evil

Excuse me for saying no to evil.

"But if you don't vote for x, y will win!"

Well that's how the system you support works. My not voting does not write an extra vote for the other side. If your side can't earn my vote, than don't blame me for your loss.

You can disagree or facepalm or "bad troll attempt" rate these all you want, those are not arguments. You're simply admitting you have no argument at that point.

I never said people should not be allowed to write blank.

Explain to me again how the state compelling me to take off work, or ANYTHING I'd rather be doing is not inherently authoritarian?

 

[Osmia]

Playing at a theater near you...



And yes, Hillary has previously said Obama would make a good Supreme Court Judge and that she would consider nominating him if elected.

At this point, it's a little mind-boggling that anyone could seriously believe anything that comes out of her mouth but it's even scarier that her supporters know how crooked and corrupt she is and they don't care.

I think that clip is fake. If it was real, the tagline would read, "The Secret History of the Democrat Party"

 

[Behemoth]

Note: If your response is 'take a chill pill,' you need to back up and realize we're talking about really important stuff here, so nah, not gonna chill.

 

[SoTxBob]

Has anyone seen the recently released 'documentary' called "Clinton Cash"?
All I will say is I had no idea.... I find myself in disbelief they aren't both in jail long ago.

 

[Mila_]

This is like going to the movies with a group of friends. "What do you guys want to watch?" there will usually be a couple of people with very strong opinons. Some will be "I totally want to watch X-Men". Others might be "No, X-men sucks, let's watch Zoolander". Then some might be "ANY movie is cool EXCEPT for Zoolander". And there will also be a group that doesn't care which is usually about half of the group, they are okay with any option. So why force them to pick a movie when they don't care either way? And things get even more complicated if you consider that some people didn't even want to go to the movies in the first place, they were dragged there and are less than enthusiastic about it. They don't care to watch *any* of them. Why are you making these people pick a movie if they don't care or don't want to? The only thing this accomplishes is more noise to interfere with the data of what the group actually wants to watch. Those who care at least.