Who are you voting for?

[DFT]

Osmia - long and worth reading - Hey, thanks for the thoughtful analysis.

What makes voting for Trump out of the question for me? His Supreme Court choices. I think there's every indication that his nominees would be right-wing, corporate friendly and hostile to civil rights (though maybe liberal on social/sexual issues). That's just who he is; that's his background, those are his interests. He's a rich, super-entitled member of the uppermost reaches of the 1%. .

The Supreme Court is a major stake in a presidential election. I want a court that rules on the law as it was passed, and then we voters can start over to fix it if our views have changed. It's supposed to be the most stable pillar of our system, with government going back to the people in controversial decisions.

Like you, I don't want any more super Senators.

 

[Bocefish]

Only in America could a totally corrupt, inept, lying sack of $@#! be found grossly negligent by the FBI when it comes to safeguarding America's top secret information while simultaneously being endorsed for President by the current POTUS.

If that happened to any other senior level government official, it would mean the immediate termination of ANY security clearance position FOREVER. Somehow, she not only gets a walk for being EXTREMELY careless with top secret information but gets endorsed for one of the most powerful positions in the world.

Go figure.

 

[Nordling]

Only in America could a totally corrupt, inept, lying sack of $@#! be found grossly negligent by the FBI when it comes to safeguarding America's top secret information while simultaneously being endorsed for President by the current POTUS.

If that happened to any other senior level government official, it would mean the immediate termination of ANY security clearance position FOREVER. Somehow, she not only gets a walk for being EXTREMELY careless with top secret information but gets endorsed for one of the most powerful positions in the world.

Go figure.

Cool. Now ask that same question of Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, and Dick Cheney (who also set up his own, personal version of the CIA and suspiciously burned down his office when the people wanted to looks at his information.)

Personally, I think the reason these folks set up their own email servers is because they didn't trust our own government's security.

 

[Bocefish]

Condoleezza Rice had something like 10 e-mails total and those were made by her aides if I recall correctly. Colin Powell had to beg and plead just to get a computer with internet access and he used AOL for his personal stuff once he finally got one. Most importantly, they did NOT have their own private server like HRC did. Not to mention there is zero proof of them risking any top secret information like HRC has done repeatedly. I think we all can agree that technology has significantly advanced since their time in office.

HRC was repeatedly warned about the advances in cyber hacking during her time in office, yet she continued compromising classified info.

 

[Mila_]

Condoleezza Rice had something like 10 e-mails total and those were made by her aides if I recall correctly. Colin Powell had to beg and plead just to get a computer with internet access and he used AOL for his personal stuff once he finally got one. Most importantly, they did NOT have their own private server like HRC did. Not to mention there is zero proof of them risking any top secret information like HRC has done repeatedly. I think we all can agree that technology has significantly advanced since their time in office.

HRC was repeatedly warned about the advances in cyber hacking during her time in office, yet she continued compromising classified info.

Not to mention all the shady shit that has gone down with the Clinton Foundation like receiving millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia and how inconvenient people happen to die around the Clintons. But perhaps the worst of it all is Benghazi and how she lied repeatedly to the American people about all of it.

 

[Bimbombastic]

This election sucks. They are all crooks in their unique way. One you can't stand 1 minute of his babbling racist and hateful shit like a blinding shooting to the stars; the other is corrupt as hell, nobody should trust. Still she's the better option because she wouldn't open her mouth in front of international leaders and say some real fucked up shit that could trigger economic sanctions or even a war - I do believe more in countries blocking the US economically because that would cripple us much more than sending an army, our economy is already getting really fragile and liking or not every country in this world is economically dependent.

So basically an election in which you have to vote to X or Y to not let the other side win is a really messed up reality, specially when both really don't have a real plan. Nobody with ideals. Heck, Obama gave some motivational speech throughout his campaign, people wanted something different and modern, and he gave that feeling. Now what Trump and Hillary give to you? One is fear of a diplomatic crisis and the other you just can't trust.

Stop the bus of life that I want to get out. This is such insane times!! This election is missing ideals, pushing forward ideals.

In Belgium of you don't vote you're fined. People in this country don't take voting seriously. If more people voted we would be more likely to get rid of our corrupt 2 party system.
In my opinion there is nothing undemocratic about requiring U.S citizens to vote.

Do that and you will have a corrupted ass country as Brazil. They demand brazilians to vote and are also many parties. It's insane. And the worse is that every election year there's this industry of buying votes because people are both uneducated and desperate for a better life, so representatives of politicians go to the masses distributing food, health services and whatnots and also shirts or clothes with the candidates to remind them to vote.

Also because it's a obligation, if you don't vote for 3 times you'll lose your social security, they cease your bank account and you go to jail. There's nothing democratic in that and just look on the news to see how messed up of a country they're.

I know that because I had brazilians neighbors. Once the family got citizenship they never went back to that place. The only thing they missed from Brazil was the soccer - I kid you not and I'm not stereotyping them. They were real blunt and saying things.

 

[Mila_]

What do you guys think of Tim Caine, Hillary's VP pick? He is the Senator of Virginia. They are here in Miami for a rally at FIU, apparently he speaks Spanish fluently and wants to speak to the atendees. I want to hear him speak to see if he has a super thick accent



I had never heard of him before this so I have no clue what he stands for, but why do you think Hillary picked him?

 

[Guy]

What do you guys think of Tim Caine, Hillary's VP pick? He is the Senator of Virginia. They are here in Miami for a rally at FIU, apparently he speaks Spanish fluently and wants to speak to the atendees. I want to hear him speak to see if he has a super thick accent

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I had never heard of him before this so I have no clue what he stands for, but why do you think Hillary picked him?

I've heard that he is anti-union.

 

[Nordling]

He seems to be a solid, if somewhat moderate Democrat, but even though the AFL-CIO give him good marks, his worst mark seems to be his support for Right to Work laws in Virginia--anathema to almost all Democrats. He's also known to favor bank deregulation, another bad mark among Democrats. Otherwise, he's an excellent pick.

 

[SoTxBob]

On the big wish list of democracy..... wouldn't it be fun if Hillary got arrested [finally] for racketeering and perjury and then the DNC shoved 'The Bern' in the top spot a day or 2 before the convention....
With the recent stuff being released about the DNC conspiring against his campaign, I'd love to see them have to eat their own poop.

 

[LuckySmiles]

I honestly don't see the democratic party recovering from this latest blow.
The #DNCleak feels like the nail in the coffin, but it's kind of hilarious that anyone's surprised by it. I think the strategy email about getting the Latino vote pissed off a lot of people. Even though it's kind of a given that this is how it's done- It's something else when it's staring you in the face.

OH? and so CNN, MSNBC etc.. works together with them to spin the news? It was fun waiting to see the outlets get around to reporting the story, and how they pick and choose to. It's been amazing to read the tweets of people looking up the emails themselves as they post their own searches into the archive.
What a time to be alive. Maybe I just nerd out on this kind of thing.

IMO the only chance the democrats have now would to be to ask her to resign the nomination, and have it be Bernie by default. That'd be quite the plot twist!.. but I feel like someone connected to this all would suspiciously die before she would concede to letting any of happen.

At minimum I hope this has been the final straw for people and the news outlets and first shots of some kind of American media revolution... that will not be televised. har har.

This week will be interesting at least.

It's almost like this guy had a point... when he said his interview wasn't going to make it to CNN.... heh heh heh. It's worth the watch to see the reporter give up when confronted.

 

[Mila_]

If you are into conspiracy theories and the like, some dude posted an AMA thread on 4chan claiming to be from the FBI. The guy said the corruption rabbit hole when it comes to the Clinton fam is so deep and there are so many powerful people involved that nobody wants to touch it. It is simply too hot.



To see the full thread (it is quite long!) click on the thumbnail below



There is absolutely no evidence given by the guy, according to him, he wanted to keep it anonymous because he didnt want to get into trouble, so if you believe or not is just a matter of faith, but I think it is still incredibly fun to watch especially since he gave so many details.

Edit: just realized the forum compress large images so if you want to read the thread it is impossible. So I am adding this link in case you want to read it: http://i.sli.mg/WuG4nP.png

 

[SoTxBob]

I honestly don't see the democratic party recovering from this latest blow.

This Dem Party is not the same D.P. of our parents or even 30 years ago. Another version is about ready to hatch. Thing is... will it be better and more honest/above board and for the people or more of a darker manipulating one?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

I have yet to see anything in the DNC leak that surprises me. Wait and see on the Clinton Foundation.

My question is this. If this was the work of Russia, does this mean they don't want Hillary elected? Why not? Or is it just an attempt to destabilize with no regard to whether Hillary gets elected or not?

 

[LuckySmiles]

I have yet to see anything in the DNC leak that surprises me. Wait and see on the Clinton Foundation.

My question is this. If this was the work of Russia, does this mean they don't want Hillary elected? Why not? Or is it just an attempt to destabilize with no regard to whether Hillary gets elected or not?

Russia is actually... not that bad. If it's them.. it's because they KNOW Clinton will be worse not just us, but the safety of the world.
I saw A report with him not that long ago aimed at reporters being something like-- you Americans are blind.. something about your media you can't even see what's happening, that everyone's on the brink, and the people could help stop it, but they don't even know. etc etc etc

found it!

Edit also link to article:
http://russia-insider.com/en/politi...-dont-know-how-get-through-you-people/ri15456

 

[LuckySmiles]

DP! The Bernie disavow Hillary thing... anyone think he'll do it this week? think he'll run as an independent?

I honestly think there's a good chance he could get back in it...Or something. I don't see him supporting Hillary anymore after this.

This is such a crazy time for history!! Everyone's so Bernie here I'm surprised no one's else is flipping out about this lol.
Everyone must be deep talked out....

 

[JoleneBrody]

A corrupt turd sandwich or a melted racist creamsicle monster?

Mmmm choices choices....

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Can't decide whether I want to take a trip to the gulag, or just go straight to the gas chamber. Decisions, decisions...

 

[LuckySmiles]

Trump has long said we need a better ally in Putin and Russia and I agree with him on this issue. Putin openly agrees as well.
If Russia was behind the #DNCleak,maybe this would be why, but I'm not sure it was them. He does mention the corruption in our elections here though, so maybe a helping hand lol.

 

[Mila_]

I was a Trump enthusiast until the leak. But if a communist tool like Assange is giving propaganda ammunition to Trump there are things in the mix I don't fully understand that make me take pause and reconsider. A lot of people who like Trump also like Putin for the very same reasons (nationalism, common sense, traditionalism, strong leader) but it has been Russia's policy to always promote the exact opposite in their enemies (globalism, PC bullshit, progressiveness, weakness) so their support of Trump makes little sense to me, even if Trump has said he wants to tighten bonds with Russia.

The part of me that knows this evil is hard a work trying to understand this phenomenon. And my intuition tells me Russia might be choosing to back the most polarizing of the candidates to destabilize and create a crisis later. For example:

Support Trump > Trump wins > Trump begins to build wall > Fund radical anti-wall groups > Radical groups protest > Violence ensues > Unrest > Crisis > Opportunity

Then again, I might be overthinking this way too much and they are simply supporting him because he is more amicable towards Russia (or seems to be).

 

[eyeteach]

IMO the bigger question is did the leaders of the DNC conspire to fix a federal election? If so, and if the leaked emails are proven to be authentic, then people such as DWS are looking at doing prison time. Again, and it's strictly my opinion, the "Russian's leaked the emails" talking points are distractions from bigger issues Debbie Wasserman Shultz and even HRC don't want to see the light of day.

Now, for you Bernie supporters: how will you vote? Will you vote for HRC now knowing full well the DNC conspired to cheat him from a legitimate shot of being the Democratic nominee? Will you just not vote out of protest, which according to political experts amounts to a vote for Hillary anyway? Or will you give Hillary, the DNC, et al the finger and cast a vote for Trump?

 

[n_i_c_u]

Colin Powell had to beg and plead just to get a computer with internet access and he used AOL for his personal stuff once he finally got one.

I remember him on national tv telling us Iraq had WMD's ... I think lack of internet access could be a great excuse on his part in the formation of the Patriot Act ("I didn't have anything but government information! Don't blame me!).

 

[n_i_c_u]

I kind of think everything in American politics but Donald Trump is rigged and conspired against. Trump says stupid stuff and he will fail as a political entity, but at least the people in his own party hate his guts which is kind of nice to see. That doesn't really happen very often: if there is enough money being thrown around to politicians they will generally shut up -- not because they want too but because they are silenced by the majority of politicians who have clout.

I think I will still vote for him because he is still waving that 'middle finger' up flag (change is never easy). I do doubt he has America's best interests at heart given that he outsources work to other countries and has the capability to not, but I don't see Clinton doing any different. I think Clinton will win and we can look forward to 4 years of her raising her voice during pronouncements (and some hilarious SNL skits), but, I should cast a vote and I might as well keep with the guy that says "FUCK YOU" to the media, to the politicians, to the lobbyists, to the special interest groups, and to the war hawks, the swift boat veterans, and basically all those groups that have dominated the Rush Limbaugh discourse for so many years.

 

[Osmia]

I was a Trump enthusiast until the leak. But if a communist tool like Assange is giving propaganda ammunition to Trump there are things in the mix I don't fully understand that make me take pause and reconsider. A lot of people who like Trump also like Putin for the very same reasons (nationalism, common sense, traditionalism, strong leader) but it has been Russia's policy to always promote the exact opposite in their enemies (globalism, PC bullshit, progressiveness, weakness) so their support of Trump makes little sense to me, even if Trump has said he wants to tighten bonds with Russia.

The part of me that knows this evil is hard a work trying to understand this phenomenon. And my intuition tells me Russia might be choosing to back the most polarizing of the candidates to destabilize and create a crisis later. For example:

Support Trump > Trump wins > Trump begins to build wall > Fund radical anti-wall groups > Radical groups protest > Violence ensues > Unrest > Crisis > Opportunity

Then again, I might be overthinking this way too much and they are simply supporting him because he is more amicable towards Russia (or seems to be).

You're not overthinking it. NOBODY who is supporting Trump does so because he's more amicable to Russia; I don't think it's even registered with them yet. What continues to surprise me is that Trump supporters aren't outraged (or at least just a little bit curious) about Trump's and his supporters' very strange admiration of Putin and Putin's Russia, and lack of the politician's traditional patriotic values and speech (I mean, if this is what he's saying for all to hear, what does he believe deep down that he's not sharing?). It's instructive to imagine the right's reaction to democrats saying these things--they would be literally foaming at the mouth with apoplexy (that is, more than usual) or calling for the democratic candidate to be shot (oh, wait, they've already done that). But their newly-anointed strongman can say or do no wrong; at least not until he loses and their collective bubble bursts.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I'll take someone willing to at least pretend they aren't evil over a blatant racist hateful fear monger who actually encourages people to hurt and hate eachother.

Politics may always be corrupt, but we can at least try to reduce the damage on the streets and making white surpremicist feel like they have a home isn't exactly what I call a good idea.

A turd sandwhich is mostly kept between the bread, but a melted creamsicle monster just fucking drips all over everything until the whole country is a Popsicle BUKKAKI.

Bernie please come back *cries*

 

[JoleneBrody]

You're not overthinking it. NOBODY who is supporting Trump does so because he's more amicable to Russia; I don't think it's even registered with them yet. What continues to surprise me is that Trump supporters aren't outraged (or at least just a little bit curious) about Trump's and his supporters' very strange admiration of Putin and Putin's Russia, and lack of the politician's traditional patriotic values and speech (I mean, if this is what he's saying for all to hear, what does he believe deep down that he's not sharing?). It's instructive to imagine the right's reaction to democrats saying these things--they would be literally foaming at the mouth with apoplexy (that is, more than usual) or calling for the democratic candidate to be shot (oh, wait, they've already done that). But their newly-anointed strongman can say or do no wrong; at least not until he loses and their collective bubble bursts.

And Sadam Hussein and Mussolini.... Ugh.

 

[Mila_]

You're not overthinking it. NOBODY who is supporting Trump does so because he's more amicable to Russia; I don't think it's even registered with them yet. What continues to surprise me is that Trump supporters aren't outraged (or at least just a little bit curious) about Trump's and his supporters' very strange admiration of Putin and Putin's Russia, and lack of the politician's traditional patriotic values and speech (I mean, if this is what he's saying for all to hear, what does he believe deep down that he's not sharing?). It's instructive to imagine the right's reaction to democrats saying these things--they would be literally foaming at the mouth with apoplexy (that is, more than usual) or calling for the democratic candidate to be shot (oh, wait, they've already done that). But their newly-anointed strongman can say or do no wrong; at least not until he loses and their collective bubble bursts.

Nah man, I am head over heels for Trump, have been since he announced. Even donated to his campaign. For me to change my mind about Trump I would have to see something concrete other than a hunch.

The reason people who love Trump also love Putin is the same reason they love Netanyahu. Nobody is fooling themselves here: Trump supporters know Putin and Russia hate the US in general, they would just want to see someone LIKE Putin is for Russia as leader of the US. Which is to say, someone who loves America and puts America first like Putin does with Russia, who doesnt kiss ass to the Ayatollahs or bend over backwards for the cucks in Europe or worse, the UN. That is what they admire about Putin, the fact that he is one tough bastard.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[n_i_c_u]

Bernie please come back *cries*

Would be cool if the DNC felt bad about how they treated him. Maybe if his political party let's him (not sure why Hillary is the fav)?

 

[Osmia]

Bernie please come back *cries*

My concern with Bernie is that he could be a spoiler, throwing the election to Trump, as Ralph Nader may have done for Bush in 2000. As I've said in another post, I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool democratic socialist, and I still lean that way in some areas. The US is like a huge aircraft carrier in that it can't turn on a dime. The changes so many of us are looking for will take decades, maybe a half century. It's a realignment on the order of the Civil War; FDR's New Deal; or the Medicare, civil rights and anti-poverty legislation of the 60s. To me, this means that long periods of incremental change are unavoidable. I think Hillary Clinton is the only choice in this election to carry the ball forward a bit, and maybe even make some real progress.

 

[Osmia]

Nah man, I am head over heels for Trump, have been since he announced. Even donated to his campaign. For me to change my mind about Trump I would have to see something concrete other than a hunch.

The reason people who love Trump also love Putin is the same reason they love Netanyahu. Nobody is fooling themselves here: Trump supporters know Putin and Russia hate the US in general, they would just want to see someone LIKE Putin is for Russia as leader of the US. Which is to say, someone who loves America and puts America first like Putin does with Russia, who doesnt kiss ass to the Ayatollahs or bend over backwards for the cucks in Europe or worse, the UN. That is what they admire about Putin, the fact that he is one tough bastard.

Just my 2 cents.

Putin and Netanyahu are strong leaders, maybe what their countries need at this particular time. I don't have the slightest doubt that each of them has his country's best interests at heart. Both of them are adept at foreign policy in terms of getting what they want from the US.

I have no such confidence in the abilities or motivations of Trump. I don't think he would stand up very well against Putin or Netanyahu.