What is the most annoying thing a model can do?

[AedanRayne]

Given that i'm sympathetic toward models enduring prolonged cam sessions with little earnings to show for, I've come across a couple of rather popular models implementing short time limits to complete countdowns the moment they log on [i.e. 2000tkns in 20min or i'm leaving]. I understand models would like their time well spent, but short time limits right off the bat gives that vibe of "i'm super impatient." Some of us with vanilla jobs can only dream of averaging $100 in 20 minute time frames.

I would like to add "wtf! nobody has tipped for the last 15 mins!" to the list of things that make me leave a model's room.

I think it should be said in a nicer way, but it depends on the model's normal attitude. Some guys like it when girls are that forward. However, speaking like that is not my cup of tea.

Keep your mind open, you're not fully aware of HOW bad it has been for that model. She might be coming up to pay day and really hasn't come close to any of her goals despite putting in long hours. Every model's time is valuable and while you think she's getting $100 in 20 minutes, it may very well be a lot more time considering all the offline work many models do. Also, she might be frustrated that lots of people are sitting and waiting for one person to clear the count. Sometimes models are just looking for a little team work...

BUT sometimes models act like Divas. So, yeah.

 

[mutantdonut]

Keep your mind open, you're not fully aware of HOW bad it has been for that model. She might be coming up to pay day and really hasn't come close to any of her goals despite putting in long hours.

I'll add more to this context. I've visited one of the models a few times prior and have tipped here and there toward her countdown. Those other times were your standard sit and wait while the tips come in, and she completed the majority of her goals in a reasonable time frame when compared to your standard model that averages 100+ in audience numbers. I notice though that she exert a little less patience each session by stating i'm ready to log out if i don't get another tip in X minutes. Each successive warning seem to be coming in shorter intervals. So i think there's legitimate reason to believe she could be growing more impatient.

Every model's time is valuable and while you think she's getting $100 in 20 minutes, it may very well be a lot more time considering all the offline work many models do. .

As far as i could see, this was standard sit around with makeup and wait session. No elaborate games, raffles, or other set ups of the sort. Unless she's Veronicachaos, Gween, Morella, Leiadown or any other model with sophisticated costumes and makeup, i fail to see her preparation would take hours. By all means, prove me wrong if i am for i'm not a camgirl obviously. Those of us with salary jobs know what it's like to work extended hours beyond 9-6, and even weekends for that matter, without extra pay, and still don't earn anywhere close to $100/20min, let alone in an hour. Edit: i feel like said model is taking for granted of the monetary expectations, expecting that kind of money in such a short time frame, even when considering the preparation period.

Edit: also related; see my earlier comment about struggling models for small earnings.

 

[AedanRayne]

@mutant Thank you for not attacking me while voicing your thoughts. I hope you didn't take my post as I thought only Cam Girls deserve $100 in 20 mins. Many hard working industries should raise the pay IMO. There are many circumstances that make payment higher in our field but that's a completely different discussion.

Like in any industry, there are hard working people and those who expect money without working for it. It's the same deal in our industry. Every person should find a model they click with, respect and admire. :twocents-02cents:

 

[UncleThursday]

Given that i'm sympathetic toward models enduring prolonged cam sessions with little earnings to show for, I've come across a couple of rather popular models implementing short time limits to complete countdowns the moment they log on [i.e. 2000tkns in 20min or i'm leaving]. I understand models would like their time well spent, but short time limits right off the bat gives that vibe of "i'm super impatient." Some of us with vanilla jobs can only dream of averaging $100 in 20 minute time frames.

I haven't seen that from a log in state, but I've seen it on slower days for certain models.

Then again, I have seen a model blow up on her room then log off when she didn't make 10k tokens in 2 hours from logging in before. She seems to have chilled out since I saw that from her (like 2 years ago, now, I guess), but it really turned me off to even watching her for a long time.

Also, it's not 'some' people with vanilla jobs who would be dreaming to make that much. I'd say most people with vanilla jobs would be. $100 in 20 minutes is $300 an hour. Only successful lawyers, surgeons and big corporate CEOs can expect to be pulling in money like that, really.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Every model's time is valuable and while you think she's getting $100 in 20 minutes, it may very well be a lot more time considering all the offline work many models do.

I don't disagree with this at all but I do think it's important to keep this kinda thing in perspective. Most jobs require "offline" or "out of hours" work, and generally that work goes unpaid. Models are at least occasionally compensated for this work with offline tips. Most people aren't.

Also, it's not 'some' people with vanilla jobs who would be dreaming to make that much. I'd say most people with vanilla jobs would be. $100 in 20 minutes is $300 an hour. Only successful lawyers, surgeons and big corporate CEOs can expect to be pulling in money like that, really.

It's all relative though. A successful model can expect to make a lot of money over a relatively short period of time whereas a successful lawyer/surgeon/CEO will be making that money for the rest of their lives and will have benefits like sick pay, paid holidays, etc. that cam girls don't.

A lot is made of cam girl earnings vs "regular job" earnings but I'd be interested in seeing what the average cam girl makes over a lifetime compared to what a person in an average job will make over a lifetime and wonder if it won't start to even out by the time they're both retired. Not only is it unlikely a top model will remain a top model for more than what, ten years? at a push? but that ten year "gap" in their CV might make it difficult to find work when they retire from camming. Conversely, a person working an average job can expect to see their annual pay rise and rise up until they retire. It's entirely possible that a cam girl in her 20s will be making more money than she ever will again.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[UncleThursday]

A lot is made of cam girl earnings vs "regular job" earnings but I'd be interested in seeing what the average cam girl makes over a lifetime compared to what a person in an average job will make over a lifetime and wonder if it won't start to even out by the time they're both retired.

It's probably hard to say, totally, because what does an 'average' cam model make? We all know that the top models earn a lot, but it's harder to know what is considered average. If we look at camscore and such on MFC as an example of average, then it looks like most models fall below what is considered average there (1k camscore). So, if most models are falling below that, then it is easy to assume that the average is actually pretty low.

Not only is it unlikely a top model will remain a top model for more than what, ten years? at a push? but that ten year "gap" in their CV might make it difficult to find work when they retire from camming. Conversely, a person working an average job can expect to see their annual pay rise and rise up until they retire. It's entirely possible that a cam girl in her 20s will be making more money than she ever will again.

I don't doubt that top models will be making the most they ever will in their entire lives. We already see it with a few. Not many jobs pay $10k a month or more (so we're taking at least top 50 or better here). But, we unfortunately also see that many of the top models, especially if they're young, blow through that money like it's going out of style. CrazySysy/Goldenlady/Whatever she is calling herself now a days used to be able to pull in over 1k Euro a day when she logged in all the time (by her own admission a while back)... but she also seems to spend the money almost as fast as she gets it. Another successful Ro model the other day was talking about how she was broke, and I was like "wat?" She's been top 20 many times over the past few years, always seems to earn a good amount when she is online, and she lives in a country where making as much as she does goes a hell of a lot further than it would in places like the UK or US. We see it with models in the US who start panicking around tax time, wondering how they'll pay their taxes because they haven't saved anything.

As for the bolded part... that hasn't been true for a while now in the US. Ever since the economy took a shit, things like pay cuts, wage freezes or being laid off and having to take a lower paying job have become quite normal for the average worker in the US. The Hostess thing is a good example of how bad it can get, where the worker's union agreed to a pay cut, the board of directors changed how they and upper management got bonuses (to ensure they got their bonuses), then raided the retirement fund of the employees to pay those bonuses and then declared bankruptcy, putting all their employees out of work. It's not the first time this has happened, nor will it be the last.

The only people who can expect to see their wages go up over the course of their lifetime are the people at the top in the normal job market. The wage disparity has been growing to an astronomical level, things like CEOs running companies into the ground but still getting their golden parachutes have been going on for years, etc.

Maybe it's different in the UK, where you are, but here in the US, expecting normal pay increases over the course of a career until retirement is far more of a pipe dream than anything else, anymore.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I often think a lot of camgirls are extremely underpaid for the amount of time they work. So many are working from the minute they get up until the minute they go to bed. Even doing that doesn't guarantee anything. If they could just focus all that time and energy elsewhere they would probably be doing better. Some quit when they realize they would have to dedicate most of their life to camming for it to be worth it to them.

here in the US, expecting normal pay increases over the course of a career until retirement is far more of a pipe dream than anything else, anymore.

This isn't really true but whatever, not trying to argue career choices in this thread. Will add that high amount in small amount of time rarely seems to work. Usually ends with the model logging off all shitty.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I often think a lot of camgirls are extremely underpaid for the amount of time they work. So many are working from the minute they get up until the minute they go to bed. Even doing that doesn't guarantee anything. If they could just focus all that time and energy elsewhere they would probably be doing better. Some quit when they realize they would have to dedicate most of their life to camming for it to be worth it to them.

here in the US, expecting normal pay increases over the course of a career until retirement is far more of a pipe dream than anything else, anymore.

This isn't really true but whatever, not trying to argue career choices in this thread. Will add that high amount in small amount of time rarely seems to work. Usually ends with the model logging off all shitty.

Quoting to second, especially the first statement.

While it's not really true for ALL models, I would say it's probably true for most... especially the most successful girls. Cam girls who also have websites, shoot content, have twitter, snapchat, tumblr on top of answering emails, Kik messages... etc...
We cam in a day and age where just being on cam is hardly enough to cut it anymore. On MFC specifically, the industry standard has raised and that standard now requires a lot more of our lives.
How many models do you know who take vacations? Now... How many videos, tweets and snaps do you have from the vacation? ...
It's the little things we give that sometimes go unnoticed but make members experiences so much better. $100 in 20 minutes is FOR a show that will likely last 30 minutes or more, chances are with few tips. A countdown is covering an allotted time that takes place after the goal is reached, that's the whole point, so it's really probably more like $100/hr. Still high wage but reasonable considering performing sex acts for thousands. Just because a model is wanting to get her goal in 20 minutes doesn't mean she expects to get it every 20 minutes. Comparing camming to vanilla/hourly jobs seems silly to me because they are so completely different and unrelated... and yes I had a very standard corporate career in telecommunications before I became a cam girl, so I know both sides pretty well. I fished a LOT more before porn, but the lack of free time is totally made up for in happiness. :-D
Unlike most professions, we can not expect to get paid a set wage every minute we are online... If models could expect the tips to flow consistently always, we probably wouldn't even fudge with countdowns.

 

[yossarian]

All I ask is that models keep things in perspective, which is what you're asking us to do. You're asking us to see things from your point of view. But you should also see it from the member's perspective. Any job is frustrating, but just keep in mind:

1. You likely make more money per hour than the average member does. It might not seem like much when you have bills and expenses, it might be frustrating that it fluctuates so much, it might be scary that you essentially have a shelf life, as Bob said, but it still holds true. In this still-fucked-up economy, that's nothing to sneeze at. Many models seem to make a good living, and you have to work your asses off for it, but think of all the people who are working their asses off and NOT making a good living. They do the best they can. They come home and they're tired. They want some entertainment. And there you are, complaining about not making 100 dollars in 20 minutes. I know there is more to it than that, but think about how that looks. It's not about how you feel--you have your reasons, and you're not wrong--but how it LOOKS. It's bad business, ultimately.

And before you say "Well people shouldn't be on camsites if they're so poor! Only the wealthy should be buying tokens!" -- most people can afford some small entertainment budget, whether that involves going to the movies, renting movies, going to bars, eating out, etc. Members choose to spend their money on you instead of doing those things. That's a huge compliment. Please don't take them for granted.

2. Members are there to be entertained, not to subsidize you. It's an ugly truth, but it's true. I love my model friends, but the minute I feel obligated to visit them, I will take a break. You want you room to be fun, right? Please don't turn it into a guilt party. I was in one of my friend's rooms the other night and her camming schedule has been spotty due to outside concerns. She was practically BEGGING for people to help her reach her goal. Like, she kept pleading and steering any conversation back to that topic. I felt like shit when I left her room because, even though I tipped, and other guys tipped, she didn't reach the goal. I know it's difficult, but it's ultimately not the member's problem if you don't make your goal. What's more important, from a business perspective--barely reaching a nightly goal and making your members feel like shit and not want to come back, or not reaching one nightly goal, but having fun with your members and bringing them back again to maybe help out tomorrow?

Again, it's all perspective. Please, please, keep it in mind. I don't think most models (certainly not on ACF) feel entitled to tokens. You work your asses off for them. I SEE it. (The work, not your asses, although...) You earn the tokens. But you SOUND entitled when you complain to members about not reaching goals in a short amount of time (which is what this was initially about; how it got into long-term goals and yearly salaries I don't know).

It applies in all walks of life. A homeless person doesn't want to hear me bitch about how my shower drain is constantly clogged. A struggling actor doesn't want to hear George Clooney complain about how hard it is to be a movie star. I was once in a writing workshop where this upper-middle-class, happily married, successful woman wrote all about how hard it was to juggle career and family, and she made it seem like the hardest thing in the world (which maybe it is, to her), and another woman (who was much less well off and a single mom with three kids) looked at her and said "But aren't you ever grateful?" And it knocked the first woman on her ass, because she wasn't thinking about how it looked to be complaining when she was, ultimately, pretty lucky.

tl; dr: perspective -- keep it

 

[JoleneBrody]

I totally agree Yoss. I don't think bitching about it is ever a good action.

I just think comparing camming to vanilla 9-5 union jobs is a really bad idea that leads to ignorance and unessicary speculation. The best way to avoide this is for models to keep their audience in mind before they let their insecurities fly out and be projected on their supporters.

Or whatever. Lol I dunno.

 

[GweenBlack]

I agree so much with Yossarian. So much.

Comparing is very unfair for both sides, so lets not compare. But when i plan my shows, I have in mind people are coming back from work very tired, making their dinner and checking personal social media. Watching live cam sites is a light and nice entertainment. I picture that when someone gets online. If they wanted to see explicit porn, they would go to a porn website.

When someone access a website like MFC, he is looking for some kind of connection with the model, no matter what is that connection (friendly, sexy, teasing, girlfriend experience or just to play poker). Now picture the member getting home, after working all day long and loggin on his account, clicking his favorite girl and she is bitching about not making >insane token amount at any perspective you want to picture< in one hour. That would sure scare him away!

If they wnated to be stressed about money/rent/incomes/whatever they wouldnt be at a entertaining website.

Just making clear THIS IS HOW I PICTURE MEMBERS i know there are pay pigs, sugar daddies and other guys that just want to take care of a model/be happy with their fetish.

At the end of the day, they just want to smile and relax, no matter how they will achieve it. It is YOUR job to help them with that, but with tokens as a currency :thumbleft:

 

[mutantdonut]

Comparing camming to vanilla/hourly jobs seems silly to me because they are so completely different and unrelated... and yes I had a very standard corporate career in telecommunications before I became a cam girl, so I know both sides pretty well. I fished a LOT more before porn, but the lack of free time is totally made up for in happiness. :-D
Unlike most professions, we can not expect to get paid a set wage every minute we are online... If models could expect the tips to flow consistently always, we probably wouldn't even fudge with countdowns.

Yossarian just expressed a deeper part of my original thought better than i ever could

Perhaps my point isn't getting across to everyone... My comparing of a vanilla job to said model, or all models, relates in this manner. This is a position of privilege, particularly for those models whom can sustain a very comfortable living just from camming. This is a position where models can potentially earn more than a 4-year college degree graduate (me being one of those grads). This is about not taking for granted of that reality once a model hits those high earnings on a session to session basis, which is what said model (from my original post) seemed to be guilty of as far my stance goes. THAT is the ultimate point. Yes, camming is a completely different animal from vanilla jobs. But they are all jobs. It just so happens camming can and have already exhibited lucrative earnings while other jobs can be much more stagnant. When the model in question immediately implemented her countdown from minute one, she lost that perspective and i believe that goes for any model who does the same.

There’s also this point that was implied by my earlier statements, but maybe not hammered enough on my part: This driving point also relates to other camgirls who aren’t as successful. As i sound like a broken record repeating what i had mentioned a half dozen times already, i recognize those models who put a significant amount of work but only able to scrape by with penny earnings, while said (impatient) model is privileged enough to command that sort of countdown and complete it might i add, hence take for granted. Please don’t get it twisted: I don’t doubt the hard work of a camgirl. I believe in all camgirls have their right earn as much as the industry allows them to. And just like everyone seem to share, i also believe in upholding integrity in all line of work, as it also applies to cam modeling. So if you ever felt like i lost my own perspective for models or take for granted of the model’s position, please take this time to reflect on where i stand and why i believe strongly in it. I hope this clears that up.

 

[JoleneBrody]

And before you say "Well people shouldn't be on camsites if they're so poor! Only the wealthy should be buying tokens!" -- most people can afford some small entertainment budget, whether that involves going to the movies, renting movies, going to bars, eating out, etc. Members choose to spend their money on you instead of doing those things. That's a huge compliment. Please don't take them for granted.

Not to take it out of context of the rest of your post but I just wanted to quote this specific part for importance. Perspective in BOTH directions is very important I think but this part is probably THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER THAT A CAMGIRL COULD EVER READ!

Girls, it's OK to be bummed if things aren't going well. It's OK to want things to be better but don't put those feelings on the few people who don't deserve it, the 1% of members who are actually tipping. They deserve praise for still sticking by you even though other members aren't helping enough for shows to happen. A slow room takes it out of the tippers as much as the models and we are grateful to have them.

*these are things I remind myself of when I'm having diva moments brought on by low camming self esteem*

 

[mutantdonut]

In light of another back-n-forth dialogue, sometimes i wish there was a space to verbally discuss these matters, because typing thoughts out in text can feel so hindering, particularly when trying to express ALL thoughts on a single post. Don't get me wrong, ACF is an awesome place to have deep meaningful discussion, while bridging models and members. But it would be nice to communicate verbally rather than type a response, then wait for another response. Some posts seem to be misinterpreted out of context, some posts aren't expressed clearly enough, some posts are so time consuming when typing every little nuance of a point, etc.

I'd love to see something like a.... er... "townhall" type meeting via the interweb, where models and members can have an open cordial dialogue without the hindrance of typing, so we can have these same meaningful discussions. I feel like much more can be revealed of our perspectives from such a dialogue. If something like this were to ever happen, i'd try my best to take part in it.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

And before you say "Well people shouldn't be on camsites if they're so poor! Only the wealthy should be buying tokens!" -- most people can afford some small entertainment budget, whether that involves going to the movies, renting movies, going to bars, eating out, etc. Members choose to spend their money on you instead of doing those things.

I hope this isn't really true for most members. Like, I hope dudes aren't so broke that they have to decide between going out or spending that money on camgirls. Can do both even if you don't make much. Shouldn't take anyone for granted but I don't think it's accurate to say they are choosing to spend money on you instead of doing anything else. Some choose to spend because it's what they want to do. They aren't sacrificing other options when spending. Some clearly are tho, seen dudes say dumb shit like "bought tokens and now can't afford to eat" a few times, always hoped they were joking.

 

[JimsX]

And before you say "Well people shouldn't be on camsites if they're so poor! Only the wealthy should be buying tokens!" -- most people can afford some small entertainment budget, whether that involves going to the movies, renting movies, going to bars, eating out, etc. Members choose to spend their money on you instead of doing those things.

I hope this isn't really true for most members. Like, I hope dudes aren't so broke that they have to decide between going out or spending that money on camgirls. Can do both even if you don't make much. Shouldn't take anyone for granted but I don't think it's accurate to say they are choosing to spend money on you instead of doing anything else. Some choose to spend because it's what they want to do. They aren't sacrificing other options when spending. Some clearly are tho, seen dudes say dumb shit like "bought tokens and now can't afford to eat" a few times, always hoped they were joking.

Super loser confession coming up ... I do spend money on MFC rather than going out. I never sacrifice groceries though :lol:

But whatever, I am the point in my life where going out to bars and shit is incredibly boring, so I choose to log on to MFC and chat with girls (and guys). It basically is my entertainment.

I shall now crawl back to my cave and curse the sunlight.

Edit to add: I completely understand feeling horrible when models complain about not hitting goals. Not to compare, but some models I see working 10 hours a day (seriously) and they are lucky to earn 1000 tokens. So when top models are upset about not earning 10 times that in less than half the time, I DO feel bad and I often do not want to return. And yes, sometimes those lower-earning models complain in the same way. And I tend to click out of the room quietly. I think "most" members fully understand that this is a model's job and actually do want to help. But being berated is not the way to achieve this.

 

[JoleneBrody]

And before you say "Well people shouldn't be on camsites if they're so poor! Only the wealthy should be buying tokens!" -- most people can afford some small entertainment budget, whether that involves going to the movies, renting movies, going to bars, eating out, etc. Members choose to spend their money on you instead of doing those things.

I hope this isn't really true for most members. Like, I hope dudes aren't so broke that they have to decide between going out or spending that money on camgirls. Can do both even if you don't make much. Shouldn't take anyone for granted but I don't think it's accurate to say they are choosing to spend money on you instead of doing anything else. Some choose to spend because it's what they want to do. They aren't sacrificing other options when spending. Some clearly are tho, seen dudes say dumb shit like "bought tokens and now can't afford to eat" a few times, always hoped they were joking.

Super loser confession coming up ... I do spend money on MFC rather than going out. I never sacrifice groceries though :lol:

But whatever, I am the point in my life where going out to bars and shit is incredibly boring, so I choose to log on to MFC and chat with girls (and guys). It basically is my entertainment.

I shall now crawl back to my cave and curse the sunlight.

There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion of fun and entertainment from the others, no need to be embarrassed. I'm with you, in that going out to bars is almost a punishment.
If somebody would rather hang out with a camgirl/play video games or watch movies at home in peace... I don't see what's wrong with that?

Lot's of people don't like to go out. :dontknow:

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Super loser confession coming up ... I do spend money on MFC rather than going out. I never sacrifice groceries though :lol:

But whatever, I am the point in my life where going out to bars and shit is incredibly boring, so I choose to log on to MFC and chat with girls (and guys). It basically is my entertainment.

I shall now crawl back to my cave and curse the sunlight.

Nothing wrong with spending money on mfc instead of going out. Especially if you don't even like bars. You're doing what you want and aren't sacrificing something else you like for tokens. Nothing loser about that to me.

 

[UncleThursday]

here in the US, expecting normal pay increases over the course of a career until retirement is far more of a pipe dream than anything else, anymore.

This isn't really true but whatever, not trying to argue career choices in this thread. Will add that high amount in small amount of time rarely seems to work. Usually ends with the model logging off all shitty.

Maybe it can depend on your industry. But many in the US face stagnation or worse in wages. Truck drivers for some companies have had to take pay cuts. The Hostess issue I mentioned earlier took a pay cut then were robbed of their retirement funds then all lost their jobs. Over 3 million people in the US currently work at or below the minimum wage of $7.25 an hour (which cannot be lived on), and the majority of those people do not make enough hours to be considered full time and get health insurance through their employers, thus relying on the government for healthcare (WalMart is a great example of this, where they purposefully keep their employees below 35 hours a week so they don't have to pay healthcare).

Even college graduates, who in theory should have more career choices, are sitting at 11% unemployment.

Most companies are sitting at a max of 3% raises per year. Maximum. Some don't even do that (been in one myself where they said they couldn't give any sort of raise one year even though they were making money hand over fist as a third party logistics company-- and they literally pulled the "the economy is bad" card to justify not giving pay raises).

So, let's do some math...

Let's say a company hires someone at $10 an hour. That's not good money anywhere in the US, but it's still better than minimum wage. So, after 1 year, assuming the employee gets a 3% raise, they now make $10.30 an hour. Assuming they get 40 hours a week, they now make $12 more a week. $624 more a year. So they went from making $20,800 a year to $21,424. At that rate, it is going to take them almost 15 years to even make it to $15 an hour-- IF they get a full 3% every year.

Inflation is sitting at around 2.1% right now. So that 3% raise is actually only a 0.9% effective raise in wages. So, in effect, that wage increase effectively becomes a 9 cent per hour increase, or $3.60 a week that they'll actually notice. Would anyone here notice an extra $3.60 a week in spending money?

Even Forbes magazine talked about stagnating wages just as late as last week... http://www.forbes.com/sites/cameronkeng ... d-50-less/

Why are people who jump ship rewarded, when loyal employees are punished for their dedication? The answer is simple. Recessions allow businesses to freeze their payroll and decrease salaries of the newly hired based on “market trends.” These reactions to the recession are understandable, but the problem is that these reactions were meant to be “temporary.” Instead they have become the “norm” in the marketplace. More importantly, we have all become used to hearing about “3% raises” and we’ve accepted it as the new “norm.”

And, it's true. I'm jumping ship to a competitor because they're offering me just under $4 more an hour than what I am working for right now ($3.74 more an hour). The director of operations for my entire company even called my cell phone while I was at work to try and get me to stay. I told him he has until my background check comes back at the new place and I take my drug test to make me an offer. Since our Kansas facility just had 13 people jump ship to this competitor because they paid better (7 walked off the job at the same time), including the production manager, the company is running a bit scared. As a machine operator, even the $3.74 increase isn't really what I should be making, but it's a hell of a lot better than what I'm making now. And no one in my facility wants to deal with the hassle of the machine I operate, so if they hit me with a counter offer, it better be good.

And, yes, I know the government says the average income is around $42k a year... but the average job isn't paying $20.19 an hour. The government also says unemployment is down, without taking into account underemployment or people who have simply not found new jobs but no longer can collect their benefits. So, you'll forgive me when I say the government is full of shit when they post the figures for average income and unemployment numbers.

 

[UncleThursday]

As for not having a model named Buttercup....

Found one.

https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=6704720D ... C3!140&v=3

And she even played the song. She instantly became awesome then. You might have to log into OneDrive to view it.

 

[LacyLaila]

ladies I just wanted to ask- is it annoying for a cam girl to not speak very much?

I've been watching BustyAn for a few sessions and she only types and occasionally says 'thankyou' ..and she has full rooms! (she is a babe though lol )

I know some guys dont have speakers so they like models to type.. but what are your opinions? thankyou :handgestures-salute: xxx

 

[AllisonWilder]

ladies I just wanted to ask- is it annoying for a cam girl to not speak very much?

I've been watching BustyAn for a few sessions and she only types and occasionally says 'thankyou' ..and she has full rooms! (she is a babe though lol )

I know some guys dont have speakers so they like models to type.. but what are your opinions? thankyou :handgestures-salute: xxx

Watching a model with no audio is like watching TV on mute. It's not annoying to me, but it's also not terribly exciting.


Edit: Not to say that it can't be exciting, I guess, I know there are girls that type as part of their show or because they're in a place where they have to be quiet and that's a bit different than just not using audio.

 

[DuoShi]

ladies I just wanted to ask- is it annoying for a cam girl to not speak very much?

I've been watching BustyAn for a few sessions and she only types and occasionally says 'thankyou' ..and she has full rooms! (she is a babe though lol )

I know some guys dont have speakers so they like models to type.. but what are your opinions? thankyou :handgestures-salute: xxx

Watching a model with no audio is like watching TV on mute. It's not annoying to me, but it's also not terribly exciting.


Edit: Not to say that it can't be exciting, I guess, I know there are girls that type as part of their show or because they're in a place where they have to be quiet and that's a bit different than just not using audio.

I was just reminded of watching TV on mute with Closed Captions on as a kid with my sister for fun. Kids are amused by weird shit.

 

[yossarian]

ladies I just wanted to ask- is it annoying for a cam girl to not speak very much?

I've been watching BustyAn for a few sessions and she only types and occasionally says 'thankyou' ..and she has full rooms! (she is a babe though lol )

I know some guys dont have speakers so they like models to type.. but what are your opinions? thankyou :handgestures-salute: xxx

Depends on the model. As I recall (I haven't been in her room in a while), Kateelife doesn't speak on cam but she's hella animated. She dances around, does air guitar, etc. She's fun to watch even if she doesn't speak. So if the model actually does stuff instead of sitting there like a potted fern, it might not matter whether she speaks or not.

 

[Nordling]

I do find it somewhat annoying. Listening to the model's voice is part of the fun of a room. Worse: no sound and she keeps her face/head above the top of the screen. Two models I know who do this are models I like a lot and overlook it, but I find that attempting to talk to a headless model actually gives me a headache. :lol:

 

[JimsX]

I do find it somewhat annoying. Listening to the model's voice is part of the fun of a room. Worse: no sound and she keeps her face/head above the top of the screen. Two models I know who do this are models I like a lot and overlook it, but I find that attempting to talk to a headless model actually gives me a headache. :lol:

There is one MFC model whose face I have never seen (seriously). Her cam has always been on a close-up of her pussy. Not nearly as great as it sounds. :lol:

 

[JimsX]

And before you say "Well people shouldn't be on camsites if they're so poor! Only the wealthy should be buying tokens!" -- most people can afford some small entertainment budget, whether that involves going to the movies, renting movies, going to bars, eating out, etc. Members choose to spend their money on you instead of doing those things.

I hope this isn't really true for most members. Like, I hope dudes aren't so broke that they have to decide between going out or spending that money on camgirls. Can do both even if you don't make much. Shouldn't take anyone for granted but I don't think it's accurate to say they are choosing to spend money on you instead of doing anything else. Some choose to spend because it's what they want to do. They aren't sacrificing other options when spending. Some clearly are tho, seen dudes say dumb shit like "bought tokens and now can't afford to eat" a few times, always hoped they were joking.

Super loser confession coming up ... I do spend money on MFC rather than going out. I never sacrifice groceries though :lol:

But whatever, I am the point in my life where going out to bars and shit is incredibly boring, so I choose to log on to MFC and chat with girls (and guys). It basically is my entertainment.

I shall now crawl back to my cave and curse the sunlight.

There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion of fun and entertainment from the others, no need to be embarrassed. I'm with you, in that going out to bars is almost a punishment.
If somebody would rather hang out with a camgirl/play video games or watch movies at home in peace... I don't see what's wrong with that?

Lot's of people don't like to go out. :dontknow:

Well now I am shy :lol:

So I will just thank all of you in this one post :-D

 

[ComicOzzie]

ladies I just wanted to ask- is it annoying for a cam girl to not speak very much?

I've been watching BustyAn for a few sessions and she only types and occasionally says 'thankyou' ..and she has full rooms! (she is a babe though lol )

I know some guys dont have speakers so they like models to type.. but what are your opinions? thankyou :handgestures-salute: xxx

I've known An for almost 4 years now. She has never been a talker, but she contributes extensively to the chat in her room (while at the same time PMing with about a dozen of her member friends). Its never been a problem for me. :twocents-02cents:

 

[yossarian]

I do find it somewhat annoying. Listening to the model's voice is part of the fun of a room. Worse: no sound and she keeps her face/head above the top of the screen. Two models I know who do this are models I like a lot and overlook it, but I find that attempting to talk to a headless model actually gives me a headache. :lol:

There is one MFC model whose face I have never seen (seriously). Her cam has always been on a close-up of her pussy. Not nearly as great as it sounds. :lol:

She typed in the wrong web address and is confused as to why the web gynecologist never tells her anything useful.

 

[Keithy]

I do find it somewhat annoying. Listening to the model's voice is part of the fun of a room. Worse: no sound and she keeps her face/head above the top of the screen. Two models I know who do this are models I like a lot and overlook it, but I find that attempting to talk to a headless model actually gives me a headache. :lol:

Listening to Alex is why I used to lurk so much in her room. Her voice was awesome, so I'd just enjoy listening to her talk. And I don't imagine Amber would have been awesome to hang with without her being so vocal. It's more personal and it feels more like an interaction instead of watching a peep show.