yep. Happens all the time thoughAsking for tips for those reasons is against rules
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Yeah I dont like it when a girl gives me a free pm the second I enter the room. But again I know this is because their room is not busy.
One of the things that always pisses me off about members is when they expect or ask for free pm. Because the sad thing is the girls who would give a free one are the ones that could really do with those 5-10 tokens.
One of the things that always pisses me off about members is when they expect or ask for free pm. Because the sad thing is the girls who would give a free one are the ones that could really do with those 5-10 tokens.
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Yes I just realised this recently. (for SC anyway) I was surprised to be honest. I do not se a problem with a model asking for such things (I do not say I will respond to such requests, but I do not see why they should not ask if that is their need or "Shtick")Asking for tips for those reasons is against rules
Although I do not think it is forbidden to have such things as goals or indeed SC's "Epic goals" @Charlie_SC can you clarify?
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It's kind of guilt tripping, is it not?
" my dog will die if I don't take it to vets tomorrow, tip me guys" doesn't really sound like something I'd particularly enjoy spending money on. Just my opinion. Maybe it's against the rules so members don't feel bad about not tipping in such cases? No clue
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Like you, I'm surprised by this too, and it just goes to show you that us models really, really need to look at these site rules carefully. One of the reasons I'm surprised is that on some sites there is even a fundraising feature. ManyVids has their "Fund Me" feature, which a lot of models use for things like "Help me with moving expenses, pay off college expenses, pay for medical bills, etc." OnlyFans has a fundraising feature, MFC Share has a "Goals" feature, and Stripchat has their "Epic Goal" feature (which isn't exactly a standalone fundraising feature, because it counts ALL of your earnings even for the flashes and shows you perform).
I guess maybe the wording of this stuff is important, so that it's not heavy on the guilt-tripping. I agree that something like "Tip me, or my dog will die" (like in Lexi's example above) would be a very tacky way of going about it.
I don't know if "Help contribute towards my vet bill" is consider breaking the rule, but surely even that sounds better than "...or my dog will die."True enough. If it is done often or the model really lays it on thick. it is rather unprofessional I think. But otherwise.It's kind of guilt tripping, is it not?
" my dog will die if I don't take it to vets tomorrow, tip me guys" doesn't really sound like something I'd particularly enjoy spending money on. Just my opinion. Maybe it's against the rules so members don't feel bad about not tipping in such cases? No clue
Was it National Lampoon magazine that had a "promo" in the 70s or 80s "Buy this or we kill the dog" with a photo of a very worried looking dogI guess maybe the wording of this stuff is important, so that it's not heavy on the guilt-tripping. I agree that something like "Tip me, or my dog will die" (like in Lexi's example above) would be a very tacky way of going about it.
ETA Yes!
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Was it National Lampoon magazine that had a "promo" in the 70s or 80s "Buy this or we kill the dog" with a photo of a very worried looking dog
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It won't let me view it. When I clicked on it, I got a 403 Forbidden error message.
Every time I sing "Angel" by Sarah McLachlan at karaoke night, I feel kinda bad...like I'm making people sad, thinking about that animal cruelty commercial.
For all you know someone may have tipped her for it.....
fun fact, when you deepthroat a lot, you burp a lot. that's probably another reason why models are burping.I had actually not thought about that, buuuut that doesn't change the fact I don't enjoy it
I wrote this in a different thread, but I think it is appropriate here.
A few months ago something changed. It started with a physical room change, a new room with a bed when she only had a chair before. She said it was temporary, that another model needed the old room for a special client at the same time every day. That was almost 4 months ago, but whatever.
Then her private shows became more explicit. She showed more. At first, I thought this was great!
Then I noticed her private shows became increasingly predictable. It is at the point now where I can time her moves. I know exactly what she is going to do next. What arm is going to go up, where her leg is going to go ... it is almost like she has been choreographed.
I did a little bit of spying. She does the exact same private show for everybody. It wasn't always like this. All the spontaneity is completely gone.
What would precipitate this? I am not so much disappointed as worried. Do studios have instructors or choreographers? I am wondering if her studio was unhappy with her private show and is now dictating how she should perform.
A few months ago something changed. It started with a physical room change, a new room with a bed when she only had a chair before. She said it was temporary, that another model needed the old room for a special client at the same time every day. That was almost 4 months ago, but whatever.
Then her private shows became more explicit. She showed more. At first, I thought this was great!
Then I noticed her private shows became increasingly predictable. It is at the point now where I can time her moves. I know exactly what she is going to do next. What arm is going to go up, where her leg is going to go ... it is almost like she has been choreographed.
I did a little bit of spying. She does the exact same private show for everybody. It wasn't always like this. All the spontaneity is completely gone.
What would precipitate this? I am not so much disappointed as worried. Do studios have instructors or choreographers? I am wondering if her studio was unhappy with her private show and is now dictating how she should perform.
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My goodness, Nienna...you're even more of a worrier than I am. Lol. In your other post you said you're worried about private show spies recording your model friend for revenge porn...now this. Cam sites (and shows) are supposed to help you enjoy yourself and feel good...not have you worried.
Don't worry, be happy. (Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh)
That can be part of a business concept.
Actually, I assisted one model in organizing her many private shows. Their resemblance was and still is essential.
While the idea of a standard format private show has no appeal to me, as a regular in a room in which the following plays out many times per show, perhaps it was done out of frustration?
viewer: "what do you do in pvt?"
model: "what do you want me to do?"
viewer: "er, dunno"
Okay, Mr, Paranoid strikes again.
I have been noticing that lately in Private show, my friend doesn't seem to be "all there". She looks distracted and keeps looking off to the right as if she is looking at someone or something. I have asked her on two occasions now if someone else was in the room, which she vehemently denied. I thought maybe there was an admin or a coach/instructor present. Silly me.
Keep in mind, that she does not speak English, and uses a translator to communicate.
So yesterday morning, I was in Exclusive Private with her in SC, one of those non-nude shows, "for a rest" that people like to disdain. Her facial expressions did not match the text she was typing to me, and once again, she kept looking nervously to the right. When she was replying to me she looked left. It was driving me insane.
So, I did something creepy I never thought I'd do. I recorded the audio and ran it through a translator app.
Here is a snippet of what I got back.
I have been noticing that lately in Private show, my friend doesn't seem to be "all there". She looks distracted and keeps looking off to the right as if she is looking at someone or something. I have asked her on two occasions now if someone else was in the room, which she vehemently denied. I thought maybe there was an admin or a coach/instructor present. Silly me.
Keep in mind, that she does not speak English, and uses a translator to communicate.
So yesterday morning, I was in Exclusive Private with her in SC, one of those non-nude shows, "for a rest" that people like to disdain. Her facial expressions did not match the text she was typing to me, and once again, she kept looking nervously to the right. When she was replying to me she looked left. It was driving me insane.
So, I did something creepy I never thought I'd do. I recorded the audio and ran it through a translator app.
Here is a snippet of what I got back.
(Continued)
Well, I have never been to Moscow, so this conversation was not with me.
The point is, the entire time she's in Private Show with me, she was having a separate conversation with someone in Russian.
I would really appreciate some feedback from the community here.
Did I go too far? I feel guilty, but only kind of.
Do I confront her? I am almost afraid to. The money is not the issue, but I did spend almost two hours in Exclusive with her and spent over 1500 tokens.
I feel angry because I feel like I have been played. Taken for a fool. Or is this just pride on my part?
Part of me is proud of her, that she is more active politically than she ever let on. And given the circumstances in her country, she is quite courageous. I admire her in a way even more. But the fact that she thinks she can just do this right in front of me kind of hurts.
If this conversation was with an admin or a friend on some Russian social media platform, I actually won't be that bothered.
If it was with another member from another site, I will be pissed. (And I am not sure why I feel that way).
(Actually, the conversation seems to point to someone actually in Russia, which her studio has probably blocked geographically, and the fact that we were in Exclusive also makes that scenario less likely. But it still bothers me,)
I honestly do not know what to do. Part of me wants to leave it because I admire her even more, and because of the means I used to come by the information.
But part of me thinks if I leave it I am being a chump.
I respect your opinions, so I would welcome some input here.
Thanks.
Well, I have never been to Moscow, so this conversation was not with me.
The point is, the entire time she's in Private Show with me, she was having a separate conversation with someone in Russian.
I would really appreciate some feedback from the community here.
Did I go too far? I feel guilty, but only kind of.
Do I confront her? I am almost afraid to. The money is not the issue, but I did spend almost two hours in Exclusive with her and spent over 1500 tokens.
I feel angry because I feel like I have been played. Taken for a fool. Or is this just pride on my part?
Part of me is proud of her, that she is more active politically than she ever let on. And given the circumstances in her country, she is quite courageous. I admire her in a way even more. But the fact that she thinks she can just do this right in front of me kind of hurts.
If this conversation was with an admin or a friend on some Russian social media platform, I actually won't be that bothered.
If it was with another member from another site, I will be pissed. (And I am not sure why I feel that way).
(Actually, the conversation seems to point to someone actually in Russia, which her studio has probably blocked geographically, and the fact that we were in Exclusive also makes that scenario less likely. But it still bothers me,)
I honestly do not know what to do. Part of me wants to leave it because I admire her even more, and because of the means I used to come by the information.
But part of me thinks if I leave it I am being a chump.
I respect your opinions, so I would welcome some input here.
Thanks.
That would be too much drama for me. As much as it might hurt my (way too caring) heart. I would start pulling the slow fade, or just run for the hills at this point. There are too many other models out there to have great times with, and not worry yourself like this.
Also, you might want to step back and look at your behavior in terms of going so far as to record and translate her speech. You are in way over your head at that point IMO.
Also, you might want to step back and look at your behavior in terms of going so far as to record and translate her speech. You are in way over your head at that point IMO.
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Put simply: it could be a monitor she is talking with. Maybe she is sharing a room with another model? Or maybe she is doing private shows (or public shows) on other sites while she is in the private show with you.
I don't know how well you both speak and what she is like, how well you can both get on, but I know with some models I am a regular with, I can ask honestly and openly (being very blunt without being rude) "is there sometimes anyone else there that you speak to because...." and they will be honest back to me.
You say you take her for a "rest" in the private show, and does she know this? if so, this is maybe why she is fine and relaxed enough to talk with any monitor/boss/models there.
It really does sound like you're overthinking it way too much. Maybe sit back, if you still insist on visiting her, and just "watch" but without making assumptions or getting angry.
There have definitely been times where I have (and I am sure we all have) thought something but then it really isn't that, and when you step back a little and look in, then it's got some completely logical and rational reason.
Good post, thank you. Yes, monitor is what I meant by"admin". Yes, she is aware that we go so she can rest. She has in fact requested it. I am happy to oblige, and I am sure she is not taking advantage of me in that respect. It bothers me a bit that I have asked her twice if someone else was there, and she denied it. Maybe she feels uncomfortable saying so in front of the monitor. As for doing shows on other sites when she is in PVT with me... how? She does stream on 5 sites simultaneously, but how would doing two PVT shows, or even one public and one PVT at once, work?
This is only her side of the conversation, yes? And I am correct that this is spoken words from her not typed? Because if she is typing irrelevant drivel to you, that is just weird. So you do not have context as to the content.
However, if she is actively conversing with someone else whilst in a private show with you, that is, in my opinion, 100% disrespectful.
Well you have already said that she cannot deny private requests on LiveJasmin, so that is one example that can happen very easily
.And in truth if she or her studio wanted to flout most sites' TOS she could accept private shows from all sites at the same time if she or the studio chose to do so.
How does it work? well I assume she just dos not turn off the others sites when a private show starts. (This has been discussed in your threads about this model before). And an extension of that is that she (or her monitor) accepts private requests form any and all other sites as they com in.
Correct on both points.
) Even if she was on her phone, it is a bit unprofessional. Or she could have just told me. I would've been okay with it. Yes, she's typing to me. It wasn't drivel, but it certainly wasn't as involved as her other conversation.
Correct on both points. It just occurred to me that she could also have been on her phone. (Why can't I think of these things before I post?
) Even if she was on her phone, it is a bit unprofessional. Or she could have just told me. I would've been okay with it. Yes, she's typing to me. It wasn't drivel, but it certainly wasn't as involved as her other conversation.
Well, you did explicitly take her for an exclusive so she could get a break, and then (in my opinion) she actually did take a break. When I take a break from my job I don't work. Why should she? I agree with some replies above that you are overthinking this. Recording her conversation so you can "spy" on her probably isn't your finest moment either.
Cams are supposed to be fun, but you're IMO becoming entangled in some petty drama of your own making here.
Fair enough. I knew before I posted I would become the bad guy here. I actually do feel guilty for recording her. Again, if it was a friend or family member on her phone, or a monitor, or another model, I have no problem with it whatsoever. I just would have felt better if she had told me. If it was a conversation with another member in a separate but simultaneous private show, that bothers me for some reason.
I meant, the text that you translated, was she typing or speaking?
Because if she *typed* that to you, when it had no meaning to / for you, then that is weird. If she was talking on her phone during a private show with you, whilst it being a "take a break" type of private, I do think in that context she should have shown you respect and told you she was on the phone (or talking to some one else).
If I took a model for a private show so she could have a break, I would still expect her to interact with me, not ignore me and engage with other people that I could not see. At least not without her saying something like "Excuse me I need to answer my phone" etc.
But again I will suggest to you that your relationship with this model is not healthy for you. Take a break! (no pun intended)
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