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If all the money burned tomorrow,nothing would need to change. Money didn't create the machinery that makes things.Money didn't grow things from the ground. Money doesn't give any resource life.
We have all the resources we need.

Dude, money is just an easy way of trading resources.

It's easier to carry paper than to trade goats, as someone already pointed out to you.
 
okay, as a history nerd and someone whose degree specialized in the specific time frame you are talking about, you certainly DID have less opportunity 150 years go. And it is not a meaningless word, no matter how often you say that it is. If you were born a farmer, you stayed a farmer. If you were born a blacksmith,you stayed a blacksmith. If you were born poor, you stayed fucking poor. Class and social mobility did not exist until the 1920-50's, at least not as we know of it today, and even then it can be hindered by where you are born and what your family's socioeconomic standing is. Even today, social motility is limited.

People suffered just as much under the systems of the past as they do now. If not moreso.

Quick question, how does slavery fit into this manifesto you're concocting on this forum?

Lol the problem here is you are focusing on trivialities. No, opportunity is a pointless meaningless word to what matters in life. I don't give a fuck what you have a degree in. You went to a place, gave them money.After you repeated back to them what they told you,they told you, good boy,you're smart. Any monkey can do that.
Opportunity wasn't needed till an industrial revolution started.
No one needed to worry about competing with someone to get a job to live. Opportunity didn't grow,it became more confined and sectioned off to doing only what govt made possible and legal.
You can't live on this land because govt owns it etc. You can't do this or that because govt made this or that law.
Opportunity has been taken from you.
Opportunity is just an invented word for something you wouldn't need in a actual free society.
College didn't teach you how to think creatively and critically. It taght you how to comply to someone else's influences.
 
Lol the problem here is you are focusing on trivialities. No, opportunity is a pointless meaningless word to what matters in life. I don't give a fuck what you have a degree in. You went to a place, gave them money.After you repeated back to them what they told you,they told you, good boy,you're smart. Any monkey can do that.
Opportunity wasn't needed till an industrial revolution started.
No one needed to worry about competing with someone to get a job to live. Opportunity didn't grow,it became more confined and sectioned off to doing only what govt made possible and legal.
You can't live on this land because govt owns it etc. You can't do this or that because govt made this or that law.
Opportunity has been taken from you.
Opportunity is just an invented word for something you wouldn't need in a actual free society.
College didn't teach you how to think creatively and critically. It taght you how to comply to someone else's influences.
You literally answered nothing. You're worse than a politician.

Also, slavery?

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They just keep repeating the same culty shit over and over again....
At least when Thoreau did it, it made some kind of sense.
 
All mothers with infants (or fertile females who eventually plan to have children), please pay attention.

This is what happens when you drop them on their head.
Lol the ...are focusing on trivialities. No, opportunity... pointless meaningless word to what matters in life. I don't give a fuck...you have a degree in... a place....money.After you repeated back ... you, good boy,you're smart. Any monkey ....
Opportunity wasn't needed.... industrial revolution started...
No one needed ... competing with ... a job to live. Opportunity didn't ... more confined ...off to ... govt made possible and legal...
blah bluh blah bluh blah blah blah
 
Dude, money is just an easy way of trading resources.

It's easier to carry paper than to trade goats, as someone already pointed out to you.

That has nothing to do with what I explained. What difference does what you said make when it's just paper that's worth nothing..It has no value.its only your belief that gives it value .
 
That has nothing to do with what I explained. What difference does what you said make when it's just paper that's worth nothing..It has no value.its only your belief that gives it value .

Economists across the world simultaneously facepalm.
 
That has nothing to do with what I explained. What difference does what you said make when it's just paper that's worth nothing..It has no value.its only your belief that gives it value .
omg...
you mean like...
faith in currency!?!

what a concept!
 
No one is,acting like an enlightened anything. I'm just giving a viewpoint. You are interpreting it in a certain way. You are putting in emotion that my typed words aren't using.
Who said,anything about Amish? That's your limited stereotype of anything outside your mall,shoe store, Starbucks world that you've only allowed yourself to understand.
If all the money burned tomorrow,nothing would need to change. Money didn't create the machinery that makes things.Money didn't grow things from the ground. Money doesn't give any resource life.
We have all the resources we need.
Where did we start complying to people who said- unless you give us money,you can't have this or that...?
You feel the need to defend someone who reduced your life to needing money to live and be considered normal by other people just because you all chase rings on a merry go round.
Insanity = doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
5 days on,2 days off for your entire life. ...that is insanity. But you've been trained to call it normal. You think lesser of people for not being a good slave like you. (I'm generalizing here. I'm not calling you anything.i mean the collective you)

Actually, if money disappeared tomorrow we would be monumentally fucked, in ways that I'm sure you don't understand.
You can cure your ignorance by reading this book.
The Birth of Plenty: How the Prosperity of the Modern World was Created. by William Bernstein


Since I doubt seriously you are going to read 400+ page book anytime soon, let me give some examples from the book on the value of money and our banking system brings to society.

Imagine an 18-year-old guy, that graduates from high school. He is recently orphaned and upon turning 18 he inherits his parent's farm. Everything was sold (or bartered in your moneyless society) and the farm consists of 40 acres and house, but nothing else. No cows, chickens, corn seed, plows, tractors, trucks, harvesting machines, apple trees or pigs. The young man feels exactly like you. I'm not going to be a wage slave, I"m going self-dependent grow my own food, and live off the grid.

What I'd like you to do is explain, in detail, how in world without money, the young farmer obtains the seed, chickens, cows, tractors, plows etc. that he needs to be self-sufficient.

In contrast, in the evil capitalist society where everyone worships the almighty dollar, the process is pretty simple. He goes to a bank and takes out a loan, using the farmland as colleteral. He then uses that money to buy all the stuff, I just talked about. Now he may not have enough collateral and credit history to buy the very best farm equipment, but he can borrow enough to start out.

One of the less obvious benefits of money is that it allows the establishment of debt. It turns out that society is often better off giving people something today and expecting them to repay that obligation in the future than forcing them to save (either money or breeding enough goats) to purchase/barter something all at once. Examples include it is better to loan money to an 18-year-old for a car so he can get a distant job rather than force him to only be able to work in places he can walk to. It is better for a 22-year-old to get a degree than 40 years olds, or twenty-somethings with two kids get a house, than a 60 year old empty-nesters.
 
Lot of gaming the system the way things are now, and I have a lot of problems with it. Still a barely-coherent general rant against it is not much use.

The slavery issue for instance. Seems to me there is a lot of outsourcing our slavery overseas nowadays. Getting too comfortable with the private prisons too, I am totally against prison labor being used for work for corporations.
 
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and given that he's educated enough to know of historical concepts like wage slavery, and presumably someone with a porn budget, it suggests he's probably not in the condition of being too much of a pleb and a dullard to do anything about his situation, but, rather, too comfortable with the affluent life his miserable job affords him to downgrade his life and transition to something new, potentially more rewarding/fruitful, but less profitable. So I'd agree it sounds like a 'refuse to do anything about it' situation, as opposed to 'unfortunate to be unable to better himself' type situation some people suffer in miserable work because of.
More missing the point and making things personal. My personal situation is irrelevant. I'm talking about how the world perceives it's reality and follows willingly, questioning nothing.
Meanwhile, your busy judging me like you've been conditioned to do so, when confused by alternative thought. :)
Alternative thought is ok. Thing is, it sort of sounds like you are just regurgitating a mish-mash of r/conspiracy, r/collapse, and youtube channels like Molyneux, and lashing out at anybody who doesn't hop on your little confusion train.

What is really bothering you?
 
Alternative thought is ok. Thing is, it sort of sounds like you are just regurgitating a mish-mash of r/conspiracy, r/collapse, and youtube channels like Molyneux, and lashing out at anybody who doesn't hop on your little confusion train.

What is really bothering you?

You're basically admitting you only can believe major commercial media. People who don't have major private backing couldn't possibly know what they are talking about,right? There's 100s of youtube people. It doesn't mean I believe or agree with all of them.
Youre saying it sounds like....that means you don't know how to listen yet from all the white noise you've been fed.


Anyway..it saturday. Aren't you doing something else?
I'm in a pub right now
 
You're basically admitting you only can believe major commercial media. People who don't have major private backing couldn't possibly know what they are talking about,right? There's 100s of youtube people. It doesn't mean I believe or agree with all of them.
Youre saying it sounds like....that means you don't know how to listen yet from all the white noise you've been fed.


Anyway..it saturday. Aren't you doing something else?
I'm in a pub right now
What you paying for those drinks with?
 
What you paying for those drinks with?

Paper that you believe is worth something and I know isnt.
There is actually no reason I shouldn't be able to cut a piece of notebook paper and write a number on it and pay with that. It has the same exact meaningless value as what you call real money.
 
Paper that you believe is worth something and I know isnt.
There is actually no reason I shouldn't be able to cut a piece of notebook paper and write a number on it and pay with that. It has the same exact meaningless value as what you call real money.
Bullshit.

Reason you can't use notebook paper is because they will bounce your ass right out into the street for trying. They will accept your money though. So in your situation, your money is worth whatever drinks you are having. So hopefully you can learn from this, and stfu about it.
 
If all the money burned tomorrow,nothing would need to change. Money didn't create the machinery that makes things.Money didn't grow things from the ground. Money doesn't give any resource life.
We have all the resources we need.

it's a weak point you're making if you only mean to suggest money is a currency -- that yams or shells could just as easily be a currency to keep stock of exchanges were money to no longer exist. I assume, rather, you're speaking of (fantasizing about) a society with no memory or record of debts.

Where did we start complying to people who said- unless you give us money,you can't have this or that...?
if you really think you can just rock up to a village and take some clean water and some flatbread for yourself, bugger off with someone's fishing net, come home with dinner, push someone out of the way of their fire, and pick a house to make yours for the night, because "money" doesn't exist in their village, you need an anthropology course, or a book, or a brain, or I dunno, a clue in any form at all. Even birds and bats and other social animals have been observed to have a social system for shunning freeloaders and non-contributors as though they have their own batty or bird-brained conception of payment and repayment for goods and services rendered. Not sure why you think the lack of green paper would undermine our whole system of commonsense political animal behavior. I guess we should add life sciences to the list of shit about the world you should know about before you claim to know anything more complicated.
 
Wonder if his stocks took a real beating this week, and that's what has him all worked up...
 
Paper that you believe is worth something and I know isnt.
There is actually no reason I shouldn't be able to cut a piece of notebook paper and write a number on it and pay with that. It has the same exact meaningless value as what you call real money.

Searle has a nice course on the philosophy of society that would help you in this respect. His work on speech acts goes into 'social entities' (such as money, property, government) that he classifies as 'institutional realities' which are founded in our collective intentionality about the object or concept in question.
 
I really hate to get into this conversation, but I've spent a very large chunk of my life essentially living "off the grid". I can say without any reservation that a person can definitely exist outside of most of the institutions that have been established to support the reality of a world full of seven-and-a-half billion people. I can even say that such an existence isn't so bad. It can even be good.

But, man, there are some real fucking trade offs when one chooses this lifestyle. And when I say "real", I mean FO REAL, yo. It isn't easy. The institutions that exist are not an illusion. They're real, and choosing to exist outside of them come with real costs. Like "fuck, I might be pretty miserable for the rest of my drastically shortened life," real costs. This is not a lifestyle to come into lightly. It is not a lifestyle that can be maintained on idealism alone. Idealism isn't going to feed your ass, and it isn't going to pay your hospital bills when you inevitably get sick from rowing against the tide of social forces for a few decades. Existing outside of the parameters of the mainstream is hard, and a lot of people who love to talk the talk aren't able to walk the walk, since walking the walk means wearing the same ratty shoes you bought at a discount outlet eight years ago, or otherwise going barefoot.

In our culture -- America, specifically -- we have a tendency to make cult figures out of iconoclasts, and romanticize scenarios that are not part of our personal realities. So, I can see how breaking the metaphorical chains of the contemporary idea of a "wage slave" might have its appeal. I can see how people might be sitting in their cubicles or at their cash registers, conducting business they have no personal stake in, daydreaming about breaking away, moving to some Midwest equivalent of the Shire, and becoming artisanal beekeepers who make their own clothes and help run the local weekend co-op market and p-patch. Boy, howdy, wouldn't that be great! Join the revolution!

I'm an artist. I get to paint pictures of my favorite places in the entire world, and I sell those paintings at very reasonable prices to people who truly appreciate the work I'm doing. I have no roots, and I move from place to place whenever the whim strikes me. I've made friends all over the world, I've had experiences that could fill a book, and I'm not even remotely done living yet. I've been feeling too stagnant and too "on the grid" lately, and I'll be moving on to a new adventure in just a couple of weeks. Life's actually pretty sweet for me right now, and if things continue to go as they have been lately, I'm set to have maybe my best year ever, as an artist and as an adventurer. Pretty fucking great, right? And yet, here's what fills my fantasy life: Health insurance. A car I can rely on. A savings account.

I gave up ready access to very common amenities when I chose the life I did. I continue to to give up access to those amenities as long as I continue to live as I do. That's what comes with working outside of the systems that are in place. There is no such thing as life without trade. There is no such thing as no cost existence. Rejecting the costs means also rejecting the benefits. And one needs to be prepared to understand what that really means. And the really hard truth is, even if you learn to live without so much in order to live without ties, you're still never going to get away from all of it, and still be able to function as a social creature. These systems in place are a function of culture, and without culture, we become feral apes.

For the lifestyle that I live -- the ability to do what I want, the ability to move when I get the urge -- I have traded quite a lot of the trappings of culture that are taken as fundamental and granted to nearly everyone. My life is not easier for it. That romantic notion of refusing to buy those things we're told we're supposed to want, and refusing to do the kind of work that we're told we're supposed to do in order to buy those things, I really do get the appeal. But, man, there is a reality behind that fantasy, and it includes a lot of hard living.

I'll leave all the existential bullshit on the table for others to debate, and I'll just say this: Freedom is hard fucking work. It's fucking commitment. More than that, after a life spent living it, I'm not totally convinced anymore that it's worth enduring the pain and deprivation that comes along with it. What the fuck good is dying free, cold and alone?

On the bright side, should I ever bumble my way into a real income at some point, I'll make a wonderful miser.
 
You know what I hate?..actually I also kind of like because it makes me feel special :)
How in the hell can a Internet jukebox not find bands/ songs you search for?
I just stumped the one in here twice !
No Sigue Sigue Sputnik or Christian Death tunes? Really?? Lol
 
You know what I hate?..actually I also kind of like because it makes me feel special :)
How in the hell can a Internet jukebox not find bands/ songs you search for?
I just stumped the one in here twice !
No Sigue Sigue Sputnik or Christian Death tunes? Really?? Lol
Post a pic of that jukebox. Want to see if it only accepts pumpkins.
 
I agree that our capitalistic life style is far from ideal, and that having to chose between Pepsi and Coca Cola may not be an actual choice (check Herbert Marcuse, quiet interesting), however it's still light years away from slavery. Being a keyboard hero is basically limited to the screen in many cases.
Perhaps we should ask ourselves why in many cases a rich person gets out of a debt without needing to pay it, and what political networking enables it. We should ask ourselves what makes rich people have excessive power besides the ostensibly obvious reason of money. This discussion raises more questions than answers, which makes it rich and engaging.
 
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I would just like to thank @justjoinedtopost for creating this thread. Primarily because it has contained @Cal_blue's unique brand of complete ignorance in the way of absolutely everything in the world to this thread. The infection is mostly contained here.


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My nephew has an obvious learning disability in that he's a stupid fuck, yet he also has a brain malfunction that compels him to believe he is right in everything. Even when presented with facts, and everyone in his life, with actual experience, contradicting him. He still forges ahead and tells everyone else they are wrong because he [believes he] knows what he's talking about. This is a kid who will tell me, with degrees in mathematics and engineering, I'm wrong on some calculations. Yet he can't add two single digit numbers, and quite literally does not know how to spell his own name. Serious, not exaggerating that little tidbit. Name is Christopher (Chris), he's always spelled it with a K until we pointed it out to him...at 24 years of age. Then the poor sufferer of Stupid Fuckitis still told not only myself, but his father as well, we were wrong. Had to show him his birth certificate to finally prove it.

I am honestly not sure who is more stupid at this point, @Cal_blue or my nephew.
 
Lol man, people have absolutely no comprehensive ability and personalize everything. Absolutely no where did I say I was right about everything. I can change my mind about anything at any time.
The problem in a few cases here is people in their 20s and 30s unable to grasp anything but the most basic concepts fed to.them by someone else.


Calling someone stupid or retarded because YOU don't understand them means you have a lot to learn about being open minded as of course you all think you are. Obviously you aren't open minded because you are lashing out at something can't understand. That's how people respond when they are confused and scared. You rally all day about freedom of speech and thought but can't handle it when it's actually happening.
Your entire life has been reduced to an economy where/ that people need to keep purchasing things or life as you enjoy it or think you enjoy it is basically over.
 
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