Actually, this is not quite true. I was tipping her for doing something, just not something sexual. The tips were for making me smile from ear to ear and for being an incredible human being to spend time with. That's not nothing.
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Soo thanks to 99% who answered my post nicely and your advice.
Surely, camming is not the perfect job for me, i realized that already months ago. But things in your life can happen , so that you can’t just quit and get another job. I have major debt because of an ex husband and my grandmother just got ill with dementia. So at the moment I’m stuck in this life, sadly. No other job i could get , would pay enough to pay for everything. Especially now with inflation.
The saddest thing for me is, that I actually enjoyed it till January this year. I had my fans , i was in the top 100 , had a very good income (it was a hourly rate of 150$) and it was fun for me! I couldn’t believe that I finally found something that i can do with my social anxiety and my depression.
Things changed in the middle of this year. I slowly noticed my income dropped and dropped and dropped. Now it’s at 40$ hourly rate. Sure it’s still more what other people make on a regular job. But nevertheless it hurts and you questioned yourself, why its not going up anymore but only down. Every girl in this industry also told me, that it’s not normal when your rate drops so much, it can drop slightly or go up, but for me it’s only going downhill and nobody can explain to me why.
I also had users who told me all the time that they love my personality so much and that is not about looks for them, but they’re all gone now , moved to new models. Naturally when you loose costumers, your camscore drops and you get bad / non existing traffic in your room.
I tried to talk to the 30-40 users in my room very often , i was nice i smiled. The same thing I’ve done all the successful years before, but nobody can even say a simple „Hi“ . I even had one day without noticing that my mic was off and nobody bothered to even told me, until 1 guy wrote me a pm.
And i let the greys also talk, because it’s frustrating when you want to engage with your viewers who have tokens to spend, but they just sit there and stare at you for hours. But most of the time not even the greys talk to me, so i talk and talk, ask questions to them,move , smiling with nobody acknowledging me. I tried all the little tricks found on this forum or in YouTube videos. I have a beautiful camroom, a good camera, stable internet and good lighting.
Some day i decided to look in other rooms , to find out what’s going on. I saw new models, literally looking bored as fuck with their phone in one hand and getting so much tokens, for just sitting there and staring. Or girls doing a lot for free and naked. I don’t wanna judge anyone , that’s just the things i observed.
I tried to change things, i bought a fuckmachine, a lot of new toys (almost the entire Lovense collection) but it didn’t change a thing. Just the same users everyday with 2000-10000 tokens on their account, watching for free and don’t talk. Or they send one PM, i respond nicely (no DT)and they leave. Don’t get me wrong, i have no problem when the user first wants to check if he gets along with the model, but you surely don’t need a whole week or two watching me for free for that and don’t even say anything to me.
As another girl mentioned, when your camscore is dropping so much, the sites don’t send you much traffic anymore. You can do what you want, it’s impossible when you’re not getting exposure anywhere. In my opinion it’s the one feature that no one really needs in this industry. It’s discouraging and not motivating , when you work everyday for 6 hours , but it gets worse with every minute nobody tips you.
And yeah I know that some models worked hard for their success! But i saw many completely new models showered in tokens and making a lot of fans . More than i did. in all this years.
Sadly I’m european, so I don’t have much sites which i can work on or make enough to cover my bills. Streammate doesn’t work that well when your not from the UK or US , Niteflirt and all the other options are also not for european models. I already tried Eplay and camsoda, but both nothing.
Sorry if I’m sound like a crybaby or weak or whatever. I just can’t wrap my head around this.
Surely, camming is not the perfect job for me, i realized that already months ago. But things in your life can happen , so that you can’t just quit and get another job. I have major debt because of an ex husband and my grandmother just got ill with dementia. So at the moment I’m stuck in this life, sadly. No other job i could get , would pay enough to pay for everything. Especially now with inflation.
The saddest thing for me is, that I actually enjoyed it till January this year. I had my fans , i was in the top 100 , had a very good income (it was a hourly rate of 150$) and it was fun for me! I couldn’t believe that I finally found something that i can do with my social anxiety and my depression.
Things changed in the middle of this year. I slowly noticed my income dropped and dropped and dropped. Now it’s at 40$ hourly rate. Sure it’s still more what other people make on a regular job. But nevertheless it hurts and you questioned yourself, why its not going up anymore but only down. Every girl in this industry also told me, that it’s not normal when your rate drops so much, it can drop slightly or go up, but for me it’s only going downhill and nobody can explain to me why.
I also had users who told me all the time that they love my personality so much and that is not about looks for them, but they’re all gone now , moved to new models. Naturally when you loose costumers, your camscore drops and you get bad / non existing traffic in your room.
I tried to talk to the 30-40 users in my room very often , i was nice i smiled. The same thing I’ve done all the successful years before, but nobody can even say a simple „Hi“ . I even had one day without noticing that my mic was off and nobody bothered to even told me, until 1 guy wrote me a pm.
And i let the greys also talk, because it’s frustrating when you want to engage with your viewers who have tokens to spend, but they just sit there and stare at you for hours. But most of the time not even the greys talk to me, so i talk and talk, ask questions to them,move , smiling with nobody acknowledging me. I tried all the little tricks found on this forum or in YouTube videos. I have a beautiful camroom, a good camera, stable internet and good lighting.
Some day i decided to look in other rooms , to find out what’s going on. I saw new models, literally looking bored as fuck with their phone in one hand and getting so much tokens, for just sitting there and staring. Or girls doing a lot for free and naked. I don’t wanna judge anyone , that’s just the things i observed.
I tried to change things, i bought a fuckmachine, a lot of new toys (almost the entire Lovense collection) but it didn’t change a thing. Just the same users everyday with 2000-10000 tokens on their account, watching for free and don’t talk. Or they send one PM, i respond nicely (no DT)and they leave. Don’t get me wrong, i have no problem when the user first wants to check if he gets along with the model, but you surely don’t need a whole week or two watching me for free for that and don’t even say anything to me.
As another girl mentioned, when your camscore is dropping so much, the sites don’t send you much traffic anymore. You can do what you want, it’s impossible when you’re not getting exposure anywhere. In my opinion it’s the one feature that no one really needs in this industry. It’s discouraging and not motivating , when you work everyday for 6 hours , but it gets worse with every minute nobody tips you.
And yeah I know that some models worked hard for their success! But i saw many completely new models showered in tokens and making a lot of fans . More than i did. in all this years.
Sadly I’m european, so I don’t have much sites which i can work on or make enough to cover my bills. Streammate doesn’t work that well when your not from the UK or US , Niteflirt and all the other options are also not for european models. I already tried Eplay and camsoda, but both nothing.
Sorry if I’m sound like a crybaby or weak or whatever. I just can’t wrap my head around this.
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Lilly_____
Cam Model
- Jun 7, 2022
- 1,561
- 3,421
- 51
- Twitter Username
- @goddesslillylee
- MFC Username
- Lilly_____
- Streamate Username
- LillyLee
- Chaturbate Username
- Lilly_cutie
Girl, I get you. I'm also a model with low camscore, and the deeper you sink, the deeper you sink. And Streamate is indeed harder for foreigners. They always say that it's not true but sites that show where we're from like Stripchat and Streamate obviously direct local traffic according to your country, it cannot be a coincidence that 80% of the traffic is from around here. I swear I blocked almost all countries in my continent. This is awful because not one single costumer from my region Is willing to pay in dollars (which is worth 5.20 times our currency) but they still come, I want American clients as well and it feels a bit unfair.
With time though I managed to get myself a handful of clients that will keep coming and are enough to get a low, but decent pay (but because of the currency conversion). And by the way $40 hourly isn't bad at all, even if it's less that what you used to make! I make that in a day most days.
I also started making clips which I used to dread but girls here really motivated me and it's been working out ok, I mean, considering that I just started. So in really bad and demotivating weeks I still get something to live on. And when I really don't want to cam I can tape or upload clips or organize the stores knowing that it will bring at least a bit of revenue (it's a great to work to do when I feel exhausted to cam, because I still feel accomplished).
It becomes clearer and clearer to me that your income is directly related to your effort, and I know that sometimes we work our asses off to earn like $3 freaking dollars but I like to think of the bigger picture. I mean overall, even with all this struggle, I am still making more than I was when I started almost 3 years ago now. And I like to invest my time in studying all that the more experience models have to teach, knowing that if I keep it up I can be where they are years from now, because 3 years sound like a lot but most successful girls here have been doing this for 8, 10 years.
So yes, I get how demotivating it can be and honestly from time to time I say fuck this shit. I understand what you're feeling. And I hate that discourse of "oh problems depend on your point of view, just look at it differently", because some things are inherently shitty regardless. But there's still objective ways to improve a shitty situation and I really hope you can find what way is best for you.
With time though I managed to get myself a handful of clients that will keep coming and are enough to get a low, but decent pay (but because of the currency conversion). And by the way $40 hourly isn't bad at all, even if it's less that what you used to make! I make that in a day most days.
I also started making clips which I used to dread but girls here really motivated me and it's been working out ok, I mean, considering that I just started. So in really bad and demotivating weeks I still get something to live on. And when I really don't want to cam I can tape or upload clips or organize the stores knowing that it will bring at least a bit of revenue (it's a great to work to do when I feel exhausted to cam, because I still feel accomplished).
It becomes clearer and clearer to me that your income is directly related to your effort, and I know that sometimes we work our asses off to earn like $3 freaking dollars but I like to think of the bigger picture. I mean overall, even with all this struggle, I am still making more than I was when I started almost 3 years ago now. And I like to invest my time in studying all that the more experience models have to teach, knowing that if I keep it up I can be where they are years from now, because 3 years sound like a lot but most successful girls here have been doing this for 8, 10 years.
So yes, I get how demotivating it can be and honestly from time to time I say fuck this shit. I understand what you're feeling. And I hate that discourse of "oh problems depend on your point of view, just look at it differently", because some things are inherently shitty regardless. But there's still objective ways to improve a shitty situation and I really hope you can find what way is best for you.
Did you try onlyfans, a subscription based service? Some people earns more in onlyfans/some people earns more in camming. If you can make Youtube videos or write blog articles then you can earn from it as well. Members on those camming sites might move to new models everytime, unless they really like a model. Save money every month for rainly days, invest in stocks like Apple, Microsoft, BRK.B (invest only the money which you don't need for next 6 years since value of stocks can go down for short term; invest during a crash/when stock prices are low) and you will find your wealth multiplying.
What I don't like in camming is, a model flashes her tits for 100 tokens or something, its worth for the tokens but the pictures of the model gets distributed on the internet quickly and it stays there forever! which is not worth for that token!
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- Jan 27, 2020
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- @mika_kedi
- MFC Username
- mikakedi
- Chaturbate Username
- mika_kedi
- Clips4Sale URL
- https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/191561/mika-kedi
What authority do you have to tell models what is worth doing for them and what isn't? How about letting us decide that?
You're neither of those things. You're just someone who is having a hard time at the moment with lots of different things going on in your life and work. You're strong, not weak.
Lilly_____
Cam Model
- Jun 7, 2022
- 1,561
- 3,421
- 51
- Twitter Username
- @goddesslillylee
- MFC Username
- Lilly_____
- Streamate Username
- LillyLee
- Chaturbate Username
- Lilly_cutie
What the fuck, are you even a model to give her advice? And then talk about our pricing like that?
You're missing the point. Last night I wanted a pvt with my favourite model. Instead of a traditional pvt, she asked me if I could tip for a specific item on her tip menu because from a model rating perspective, this would be better for her on the site she broadcasts on.
This meant that we weren't alone. She broadcast our show in public. Anyone who came into the room for free got to see what I was paying for. But that's not the point. I wasn't really paying for her tits and ass. I was paying for her company. So that she could earn a living. I'm not going to get salty because 10 other guys were getting their rocks off at my expense because in that moment they don't exist. It's about me and her, not them. She gives me lots of her time and attention so it's fair to make sure that she can pay her bills every month. More to the point, while she was entertaining me, another guy came in and dropped $50. He wouldn't have been able to do that if we'd gone pvt.
And it's not all one way either. By doing it that way, she chose to give me a show that lasted way longer than it would have done in pvt with the equivalent of a very expensive taxi meter running, so I could relax into the experience. She was considering my experience when she chose to do that.
If you are a regular customer with a model that you like and respect then it changes your thinking. She's put the effort into caring about me and my life so I've put the effort into listening to what she says. I've learned where to take her for a show so that she gets the biggest share of the money and to listen to her guidance on what tip options to choose to increase her profile based on the mad algorithms that govern cam sites.
The only guys that think like you do are the ones that come on to a models page, take her pvt and then leave within 2 mins. Understand that you are paying for the entirety of the experience instead of just the sexual act itself.
MarieElise
Cam Model
- Dec 19, 2019
- 9,774
- 17,655
- 161
- Twitter Username
- @EliMarie717
- MFC Username
- EliMarie
- Streamate Username
- MarieElise
- ManyVids URL
- https://www.manyvids.com/Profile/328205/EliMarie717/
- Clips4Sale URL
- https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/92217/marie717
I’m sorry you’re not proud of your tits. But some of us are proud of ours. If you don’t feel it is worth it to show your tits for 100 tokens on the internet, then just be sure to charge more for yours lol
The more I read this, the more I'm creeped out at the idea of this guy sitting there thinking he's paid for her tits exclusively. Forever.
What I don't like in camming is dickheads who come into a room and right off talk about a model's tits or whatever and/or ask to see something w/o even tipping.
Thank you for your precious advice, sir.
I didn’t have time to respond to OP’s first post before, since my response will probably be long, but now that I do have some time:
First, I’m sorry that this has taken such a toll on you.
About your question as to why some girls have it “easier” or instantly do well while others struggle, well… there’s no definitive answer to that. There’s tons of beautiful, talented and interesting models who never find what they deem as success. It sucks not having an answer, I get that. But that’s just how life is sometimes. Things will happen that we find unfair and we can either dwell on it and make ourselves miserable, accept it as it is or try to change it.
I’ve always believed that success in camming comes down a lot to luck and hard work. Yes, being conventionally attractive certainly helps, but there’s definitely models who don’t look like conventional supermodels who do very well and are successful. A lot of it is being in the right place at the right time so the right members see you and tip you and become regulars. The harder you work, the more likely that is to happen. But in the end, even if someone does log on their first day and makes a gagillion tokens while just sitting in front of the camera you shouldn’t let that bother you. Easier said than done, I know. But you need to focus on your own plate, not what the person next to you has on theirs.
I know you said that you’re aware that you shouldn’t be looking at other rooms, but I just wanted to say that you reaaallyy shouldn’t be doing that, especially with how you’re currently feeling. If you go looking for something you know will upset you when you’re already upset, well it’s going to upset you more. It’s kind of like when you breakup with someone and go looking at their social media. You’re going to look way too much into everything you see and all it’s going to do is make you more miserable. And it’s so easy to create our own narratives by seeing just a piece of the puzzle without seeing the whole thing. You may go into someone’s room for a few minutes and see them looking bored and getting a ton of tips. But, that person may have just cammed for hours and did a huge show and is still getting tipped. I just think it’s best to avoid other rooms unless you’re going in there because you genuinely enjoy watching and tipping other models. I get it’s hard to stop ourselves sometimes, but you’ll feel better if you don’t and you’ll have saved yourself time.
I feel like I’m rambling a bit at this point (I just woke up), but in the end, try looking at the bright side. $40/hour is still good income. If you can cover your bills, that’s great! And, you can always diversify if you want to make more. I know you said you’re European, but I’m pretty sure you’d be able to have a store on the majority (if not all) of the major clip sites. Plus, making content or doing PSO can definitely help take some of the stress away from camming and content making can help add to your camming tips, if you haven’t already done that.
I just wanted to point out that it’s very unlikely that anyone just starting out on YouTube making content related to camming will make any sort of decent money. And it’s a lot more unlikely that a blog would have any real earning potential as well.
Also, as far as investing goes, probably not the best idea to start off with stocks that cost 140, 234 and 269 a share. Investing can definitely make you money over time, but if you don’t properly research what exactly you’re investing in you can easily lose money.
First, I’m sorry that this has taken such a toll on you.
About your question as to why some girls have it “easier” or instantly do well while others struggle, well… there’s no definitive answer to that. There’s tons of beautiful, talented and interesting models who never find what they deem as success. It sucks not having an answer, I get that. But that’s just how life is sometimes. Things will happen that we find unfair and we can either dwell on it and make ourselves miserable, accept it as it is or try to change it.
I’ve always believed that success in camming comes down a lot to luck and hard work. Yes, being conventionally attractive certainly helps, but there’s definitely models who don’t look like conventional supermodels who do very well and are successful. A lot of it is being in the right place at the right time so the right members see you and tip you and become regulars. The harder you work, the more likely that is to happen. But in the end, even if someone does log on their first day and makes a gagillion tokens while just sitting in front of the camera you shouldn’t let that bother you. Easier said than done, I know. But you need to focus on your own plate, not what the person next to you has on theirs.
I know you said that you’re aware that you shouldn’t be looking at other rooms, but I just wanted to say that you reaaallyy shouldn’t be doing that, especially with how you’re currently feeling. If you go looking for something you know will upset you when you’re already upset, well it’s going to upset you more. It’s kind of like when you breakup with someone and go looking at their social media. You’re going to look way too much into everything you see and all it’s going to do is make you more miserable. And it’s so easy to create our own narratives by seeing just a piece of the puzzle without seeing the whole thing. You may go into someone’s room for a few minutes and see them looking bored and getting a ton of tips. But, that person may have just cammed for hours and did a huge show and is still getting tipped. I just think it’s best to avoid other rooms unless you’re going in there because you genuinely enjoy watching and tipping other models. I get it’s hard to stop ourselves sometimes, but you’ll feel better if you don’t and you’ll have saved yourself time.
I feel like I’m rambling a bit at this point (I just woke up), but in the end, try looking at the bright side. $40/hour is still good income. If you can cover your bills, that’s great! And, you can always diversify if you want to make more. I know you said you’re European, but I’m pretty sure you’d be able to have a store on the majority (if not all) of the major clip sites. Plus, making content or doing PSO can definitely help take some of the stress away from camming and content making can help add to your camming tips, if you haven’t already done that.
I just wanted to point out that it’s very unlikely that anyone just starting out on YouTube making content related to camming will make any sort of decent money. And it’s a lot more unlikely that a blog would have any real earning potential as well.
Also, as far as investing goes, probably not the best idea to start off with stocks that cost 140, 234 and 269 a share. Investing can definitely make you money over time, but if you don’t properly research what exactly you’re investing in you can easily lose money.
Regarding investing, what I recommend to friends boils down to "buy the market and ignore the news". For Americans and Canadians, that means setting up a tax-deffered Individual Retirement Account (IRA) or a Registered Retirement Savings Plan (RRSP) and buying shares in an index mutual fund that holds a representative group of stocks that tracks the stock market. Just invest monthly or quarterly over time. It works for models and just about everyone else who doesn't have an embarrassment of wealth or isn't Warren Buffett.
I would Not advise picking individual stocks or trying to time the market. Picking stocks successfully involves a lot of knowledge, is time consuming and a flair that very few individuals possess, including economists and MBAs and the vast majority of professional portfolio managers. It also has widely varying results independent of skill. Market timing is a huge loser because of the huge opportunity cost.
These are not my personal opinions, they are fact-based and supported by logic that can be demonstrated with straight arithmetic.
I would Not advise picking individual stocks or trying to time the market. Picking stocks successfully involves a lot of knowledge, is time consuming and a flair that very few individuals possess, including economists and MBAs and the vast majority of professional portfolio managers. It also has widely varying results independent of skill. Market timing is a huge loser because of the huge opportunity cost.
These are not my personal opinions, they are fact-based and supported by logic that can be demonstrated with straight arithmetic.
Just read what I wrote above and I realise it's very brief (rushed) and overly condensed with a lot of white space, but if anyone is interested in further discussing investing and financial planning, I'll be happy to join or start a thread on that topic so as not to derail this thread.
I've been wanting to learn more about investing, just not the traditional individual stock buying option. It would be awesome if you made a thread for people to learn and share information!
Hi everybody!
First things first: This is not a rant. I hope someone will listen or explain to me, why it is so hard in this industry.
I posted this topic elsewhere, but it good deleted quickly and i got so much hate and many angry man who told me that i should not “drive new models away, because I’m too stupid for camming”.I know this is controversial and nobody has to agree with me. But maybe a few people want to listen to me and don’t get offended quickly just because I’m not one of these “Oh i love everything about camming” Camgirls. I just want to get this off my chest and i want tu be honestPlease don’t hate me for that.
I‘m a Cammodel for a few years now and I would say that I have a lot of experience in this business. So this comes not from a newbie.
I often wonder why so many cam girls are not honest about how this business is really going for some girls. Sometimes I feel alone with all the thoughts of how unfair, hurtful, humiliating and disrespectful some camgirls will be treated. On YouTube are so many videos how much fun you have as a camgirl and that hundreds or even thousands dollars are waiting for you everyday, you just have to buy a webcam and get naked. Rarely I find a video where a girl talks about the fact , that most of these men treat you like a pile of dog sh*t and their personal punching ball/se*doll.
I keep wondering why all the (especially new) women in the business are told how great it is to be a camgirl and that you have the "power" over men,but I've slowly come to the conclusion that it is actually the other way around. They have the money that a full time model needs to pay rent and buy food. So you have to be/behave like they want you to be, or they tip someone else. And if you’re not a top model who makes 500$ a day from regulars or the great traffic that these sites send you, you stick with the men who demand (even if they have 10000 tokens) because they see that you sit there like an idiot in a quiet room and they take advantage of an „unpopular“ model. Because they think we should be grateful, that he talks to us and has some compassion with a “lonely” camgirl.
I know how hard it is when you jump in front of the cam in a really good mood,really hoping that you have a great shift and then you go live and try to talk to the users, make up games, decorate your room, buy new toys, or a fuckmachine for 700$ and want to make everyone in your room satisfied. Only to find that no one is talking to you,much less tip. No matter how much you move, smile, talk, dance,nothing but complete silence. That’s the worst feeling , when you sit their like a woman who got dumped on her first date, but you smile like a low budget circus clown who has no choice but to „smile the feelings away’‘ because ,maybe someone with tokens and no empathy watches you and gets pissed off because you rightfully look bored because no one wants anything from you and because a camgirl can’t look bored or unhappy, because it’s your job to distract him from his boring wife/life and prove that you’re “worthy” enough for his precious tokens. Or what's even more hurtful is that you see users constantly telling you how great they think you are, maybe tipping you a nice amount, and not even 10 minutes later (when you’re offline or sitting in a silent room)you see him tipping three, four, five times as much in another room.
Of course I agree with the models telling you that once this happens it doesn't matter. Or that the user can spend his money how he likes obviously. But what if you experience this scenario every day? Of course it's also not good to look elsewhere and actually you shouldn't do that, i know .But I think most models also look into other rooms. Especially when it’s quiet.
Then why is it always denied by the models that they do it? Why is hardly a model honest and says "Yes, it hurts when you make an effort and the users spend all their tokens somewhere else". Maybe you want to tell me , that it’s my fault for not entertain them enough, or doing too much for free so they go elsewhere. I asked many people what I’m doing wrong that why this always happens to me. Everyone told me I do nothing wrong. Some told me that I’m “too nice” but i can’t pretend I’m not nice.The admins/support from the sites also giving me unhelpful advice that I just have to go outside or stream from my phone or that I just be naked and wait. Did it all with the same result.
It's often not the case that these models do something else in their shows, often it is exactly the same. So when it’s not because your boring, or look unhappy, why they leave you in your dead room and tip another girl ?
The other thing is that it's also said over and over again , is that any model can be successful if they just work hard enough and stream at least 6-12 hours a day, no matter what they look like.
But what I've had to painfully realize over the years as a camgirl is that if you don't look or behave in a certain way, you'll be much less successful. 80% of men like the largest possible, well-formed breasts, full lips, and a slim figure. Sure, some will now say, "But there are enough successful models who don't look like that." Sure, that's true. I know that are guys existing who like natural bodies. But I've seen for myself that most top/high earning models look the same. So why they most of them get breast implants as soon as possible when it doesn’t make a difference? Why deny the obvious facts that everyone with an internet connection can see for themselves? It really hurts when you get treated so badly everyday (no matter if it’s a basic member or someone who has token) even if you’re nice to everyone and try your best and then you see another girl getting showered in tokens/gifts/nice messages everyday.
My boobs are small and natural and I don't look like an Instagram model. I’m not perfect , but I’m beautiful and I actually liked my body. Everyday I have men who insult me that I'm "fat", that I have saggy tits, even though i just have a normal body (I wear size S/M and I'm 5'3) also that I have an ugly face. They try to manipulate me to loose weight or get plastic surgery (Oh Sweeheart, did you loose weight? You look so great a little bit thinner!Do you collect money for implants?bigger boobs would look amazing on you
In my opinion it is only because men are given an unrealistic body image through porn/instagram/webcam sites. Even the cam sites advertise the perfect "silicone bodies" or flawless women who look too good to be true. And many men on this site don’t have much friends or a stable relationship with anyone ,so they go on this sites to feel good because they talked to a beautiful woman ,or they use us as easy targets where they can throw their anger/misogyny at. (I know that not all of them like that, but i really only had a few in all this years who respected me/ don’t want to cross my boundaries/ wanted to marry me)
Why does nobody ever talk about the fact that certain models just don't have to do much to be successful, but others work their ass of for years only to find that there is no point in trying for these men because most don’t appreciate you like you are.
I've tried for years, really enjoyed this job but now it just hurts to see soo many new models coming to the site and just because they look better or do risky outdoor shows (sometimes even with passers-by/children in the background) immediately got a lot of fans and earn more every day than I did in a week.
Yes, it hurts when you see that you've talked to a user for a really long time and he immediately drops you for a new model and gives her a lot of tips, more than you've ever gotten. I always have this feeling when I go live , because it happens everyday when I’m live and i question myself and what I’m doing wrong. Sometimes i just want to stay in my bed all day and cry, because I feel I’m not good enough for this and never will be.
Y’all can say that i have a negative view on men/the camgirl industry, and maybe your right. I won’t deny that. But this all comes from years of experience in this (toxic) industry. I’m also not ungrateful and say that i didn’t made any money, but all this constant stress/ abuse really took a toll on my body and my mental health. I really want honest opinions
I don't want to offend or upset anyone, I just want the truth to be told. Why is it so easy for some girls and others have to advertise/work/ so much for little success.
"if you don't look a certain way, you'll be much less successful. 80% of men like the largest possible, well-formed breasts, full lips, and a slim figure. (..) "But there are enough successful models who don't look like that." Sure, that's true. I know that are guys existing who like natural bodies. But I've seen for myself that most top/high earning models look the same"- Hello. This is a very sensitive topic to talk about, arousing a lot of emotions, opinions and personal beliefs. I agree with what you said tho. There are specific kinds of bodies that are more quickly celebrated and awarded, comparing to others. That being said, a belly is key. I realized that a flatboard stomach is highly rewarded. slim bodies too. Im not saying viewers don't like a cute tummy, but flat stomachs in general make ppl go crazy (go figure). i dont agree with the big breasts part. Small boobs are fine for viewers too. they love that. But yes, a flat belly, and also now a tendency of the toned arms and abs, muscles, are trendy. I don't see it as nothing spectacular, i can even view it as a kind of a masculine body tipe of vibe, other ppl might agree with me, others dont. its a matter of personal taste....But, yes, that's sad to see whats goin on. Maybe guys also like to tip crowded rooms just to be noticed. Overall, what should be understand is that a girl/room with little viewers, is also a work: a very legit, irrefutable one. the exact same work and hustle as whats goin on with a room on the 1st, 2nd page. . girls being cash cows, just getting tips because, and others getting just 50 tk in 1 day....That's insane...All in all, its important to respect and also support these rooms, because even 1 day,they might surprise you!...Hi everybody!
First things first: This is not a rant. I hope someone will listen or explain to me, why it is so hard in this industry.
I posted this topic elsewhere, but it good deleted quickly and i got so much hate and many angry man who told me that i should not “drive new models away, because I’m too stupid for camming”.I know this is controversial and nobody has to agree with me. But maybe a few people want to listen to me and don’t get offended quickly just because I’m not one of these “Oh i love everything about camming” Camgirls. I just want to get this off my chest and i want tu be honest
I‘m a Cammodel for a few years now and I would say that I have a lot of experience in this business. So this comes not from a newbie.
I often wonder why so many cam girls are not honest about how this business is really going for some girls. Sometimes I feel alone with all the thoughts of how unfair, hurtful, humiliating and disrespectful some camgirls will be treated. On YouTube are so many videos how much fun you have as a camgirl and that hundreds or even thousands dollars are waiting for you everyday, you just have to buy a webcam and get naked. Rarely I find a video where a girl talks about the fact , that most of these men treat you like a pile of dog sh*t and their personal punching ball/se*doll.
I keep wondering why all the (especially new) women in the business are told how great it is to be a camgirl and that you have the "power" over men,but I've slowly come to the conclusion that it is actually the other way around. They have the money that a full time model needs to pay rent and buy food. So you have to be/behave like they want you to be, or they tip someone else. And if you’re not a top model who makes 500$ a day from regulars or the great traffic that these sites send you, you stick with the men who demand (even if they have 10000 tokens) because they see that you sit there like an idiot in a quiet room and they take advantage of an „unpopular“ model. Because they think we should be grateful, that he talks to us and has some compassion with a “lonely” camgirl.
I know how hard it is when you jump in front of the cam in a really good mood,really hoping that you have a great shift and then you go live and try to talk to the users, make up games, decorate your room, buy new toys, or a fuckmachine for 700$ and want to make everyone in your room satisfied. Only to find that no one is talking to you,much less tip. No matter how much you move, smile, talk, dance,nothing but complete silence. That’s the worst feeling , when you sit their like a woman who got dumped on her first date, but you smile like a low budget circus clown who has no choice but to „smile the feelings away’‘ because ,maybe someone with tokens and no empathy watches you and gets pissed off because you rightfully look bored because no one wants anything from you and because a camgirl can’t look bored or unhappy, because it’s your job to distract him from his boring wife/life and prove that you’re “worthy” enough for his precious tokens. Or what's even more hurtful is that you see users constantly telling you how great they think you are, maybe tipping you a nice amount, and not even 10 minutes later (when you’re offline or sitting in a silent room)you see him tipping three, four, five times as much in another room.
Of course I agree with the models telling you that once this happens it doesn't matter. Or that the user can spend his money how he likes obviously. But what if you experience this scenario every day? Of course it's also not good to look elsewhere and actually you shouldn't do that, i know .But I think most models also look into other rooms. Especially when it’s quiet.
Then why is it always denied by the models that they do it? Why is hardly a model honest and says "Yes, it hurts when you make an effort and the users spend all their tokens somewhere else". Maybe you want to tell me , that it’s my fault for not entertain them enough, or doing too much for free so they go elsewhere. I asked many people what I’m doing wrong that why this always happens to me. Everyone told me I do nothing wrong. Some told me that I’m “too nice” but i can’t pretend I’m not nice.The admins/support from the sites also giving me unhelpful advice that I just have to go outside or stream from my phone or that I just be naked and wait. Did it all with the same result.
It's often not the case that these models do something else in their shows, often it is exactly the same. So when it’s not because your boring, or look unhappy, why they leave you in your dead room and tip another girl ?
The other thing is that it's also said over and over again , is that any model can be successful if they just work hard enough and stream at least 6-12 hours a day, no matter what they look like.
But what I've had to painfully realize over the years as a camgirl is that if you don't look or behave in a certain way, you'll be much less successful. 80% of men like the largest possible, well-formed breasts, full lips, and a slim figure. Sure, some will now say, "But there are enough successful models who don't look like that." Sure, that's true. I know that are guys existing who like natural bodies. But I've seen for myself that most top/high earning models look the same. So why they most of them get breast implants as soon as possible when it doesn’t make a difference? Why deny the obvious facts that everyone with an internet connection can see for themselves? It really hurts when you get treated so badly everyday (no matter if it’s a basic member or someone who has token) even if you’re nice to everyone and try your best and then you see another girl getting showered in tokens/gifts/nice messages everyday.
My boobs are small and natural and I don't look like an Instagram model. I’m not perfect , but I’m beautiful and I actually liked my body. Everyday I have men who insult me that I'm "fat", that I have saggy tits, even though i just have a normal body (I wear size S/M and I'm 5'3) also that I have an ugly face. They try to manipulate me to loose weight or get plastic surgery (Oh Sweeheart, did you loose weight? You look so great a little bit thinner!Do you collect money for implants?bigger boobs would look amazing on you
In my opinion it is only because men are given an unrealistic body image through porn/instagram/webcam sites. Even the cam sites advertise the perfect "silicone bodies" or flawless women who look too good to be true. And many men on this site don’t have much friends or a stable relationship with anyone ,so they go on this sites to feel good because they talked to a beautiful woman ,or they use us as easy targets where they can throw their anger/misogyny at. (I know that not all of them like that, but i really only had a few in all this years who respected me/ don’t want to cross my boundaries/ wanted to marry me)
Why does nobody ever talk about the fact that certain models just don't have to do much to be successful, but others work their ass of for years only to find that there is no point in trying for these men because most don’t appreciate you like you are.
I've tried for years, really enjoyed this job but now it just hurts to see soo many new models coming to the site and just because they look better or do risky outdoor shows (sometimes even with passers-by/children in the background) immediately got a lot of fans and earn more every day than I did in a week.
Yes, it hurts when you see that you've talked to a user for a really long time and he immediately drops you for a new model and gives her a lot of tips, more than you've ever gotten. I always have this feeling when I go live , because it happens everyday when I’m live and i question myself and what I’m doing wrong. Sometimes i just want to stay in my bed all day and cry, because I feel I’m not good enough for this and never will be.
Y’all can say that i have a negative view on men/the camgirl industry, and maybe your right. I won’t deny that. But this all comes from years of experience in this (toxic) industry. I’m also not ungrateful and say that i didn’t made any money, but all this constant stress/ abuse really took a toll on my body and my mental health. I really want honest opinions
I don't want to offend or upset anyone, I just want the truth to be told. Why is it so easy for some girls and others have to advertise/work/ so much for little success.
The girls on the 1st and 2nd page have worked extremely hard to get there. I doubt if any of them are getting massive tips "just because".
You're also overgeneralizing as to what's attractive. I just looked at a couple of sites and there are quite a few models towards the top that don't fit your description.
There really is no ideal type on camming. There's beauty to be found in every room.
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ok, the girls on last pages also work extremely hard. Also, if you go online and your presence is justified with tokens, for sure that keeps me highly motivated and willing to work EVEN harder, because it compensates and motivates the hell out of me. Plus, it is insulting what you just said. There are tons of girls burning their energy, doing their absolute best, sticking for hours online, on those last pages. for a ridiculous amount of tk gain per session , yet they don't give up. seems that you're glorifing something. stop it
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What's insulting is saying that the other models don't work hard too. They all work hard.
I don't think anyone is insinuating that non top models don't also work hard. But, over the years I've been in this industry I've seen A LOT of cam models who aren't doing as well as they'd like put down top earning models in whatever ways they can to try to make themselves feel better. Either by saying that they didn't have to work hard, that it's only because of their looks or even implying (or just outright accusing) that they are doing shady stuff to make the amount of money they do. It's ridiculous.
I'm not trying to be a dick with what I'm about to say, and I've already said this before on the forum, but camming/adult work isn't for everyone.
If you're consistently not making the money you want to be making or enough to pay your bills and it's also taking a toll on your mental health, then it's more than likely in your best interest to find another job. Adult/sex work can be really hard and no matter how you look or how many hours you put into it, your success is not guaranteed. That goes with any sort of entertainment career.
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yes, its a question of luck! since looks doesnt seem to play any relevant role on many pl perceptions...and that's why it seems to be always a controversial topic to address
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