The new trend... Models posting pics of their kids...

[Paulie Walnuts]

If I was a cam model I'd have a fake name, an fake location, and a complex fake life backstory to present to the WWW. The only thing real would be my face.

But I'm paranoid that way.

 

[AmazingAshlee]

It was asked if she should report someone for this. I'm not saying, "yeah, hey, I do this all the time, and don't think twice about it, so screw you all! You should be that way too!" It's not like that at all! I personally have never posted anything that would ever identify her, but my god, things happen! Are we seriously going to "police" every girls personal life? In my case, regulars believed that because I wasn't around ALL the time (as most single kid free girls can be), that I MUST be secretly married, therefore did not NEED their tokens. The reality couldn't have been further from the truth. Truth be told, I KNOW I do not fit in on MFC. I don't really care. I would feel much less happy here if I was not able to be ME. There are things I hide, of course, but at the end of the day, I am not faking anything, and I am able to sleep better at night because of it. And quite frankly, what I do in my room, and on my twitter, is my business... I could care less what others opinions are, and not every single night is a "show". I am confident in my choices and I feel that I am responsible most of the time. I was just trying to stick up for the little guy, even though I knew how quickly I'd be pounced on. It's the model's decision to make, not anyone else's. I just can't honestly support this "need", that many girls seem to have, to interfere with others' rooms and how they operate.

 

[JickyJuly]

If your room can make you feel that you need to show them photos of your child on a PORNOGRAPHIC SITE to prove anything to them, you're being bullied. I am not saying that any model should be interfered with while she is making choices for herself, but if she is making exceedingly poor choices for her child, heck yes someone should point it out. It should be brought to light until that choice is changed or no longer an option. Grown folks should do what they want and deal with whatever consequences they bring upon themselves. Children should be protected even from their parents' poor judgement calls.

 

[AmazingAshlee]

"My room" makes me do nothing. It's mine, and I make the rules! Was I being bullied at one point about this? Yes. I was, and I KNOW that there is such thing as "too nice". Learned that the hard way, and totally changed the way I do things. I decided to just let things roll off more, and what do you know, it worked- No more pricks hanging around to troll me daily. I can't be the only model to have had to do this. But we also can't run around making life difficult for every model who does things a little differently. It just isn't right. If you were really concerned for the child, speak to the model and explain your concerns! Or even better, use all the info they share to actually find the kid, and call DSS. Reporting the model to MFC is not going to help that child in any way. The model is just going to be mad, and not understand the lesson trying to be taught. If banned, she will find somewhere else to act the same way. In fact, she may even rebel and post MORE just because you decided to interfere.

edit to add: Also consider that poor little kid needs food, clothes, and shelter as well as internet safety. Reporting the model hurts her livelihood, and by default, her child.

 

[JickyJuly]

Okay. Let's take the kid's well being out of the equation then. If a model is showcasing her child on MFC via photo or live, child pornography is being broadcast. I don't want to work with a site that is okay with kiddie porn. So, I report said model and let her chips fall where she's set them up to fall. I don't see the point in discussing with a cam girl why she felt the need to broadcast her kid on a pornographic site. What possible reason can there be for that? And, for the record, if someone really felt a child who was shown on MFC might be in more serious danger, it would not be hard to get CPS to the model's doorstep. I'm not saying that I would personally take it there after seeing a photo displayed live, but that is another risk you're taking.

 

[Evvie]

I can't believe we're trying to convince someone it's not okay to show pictures of children on a pornography site.

This is pointless. If someone wants to whore their kids out to horny old men, go for it. If you like to know that there are old men fantasizing about jacking off on your baby's face, then there is really nothing we can say. Some women have clearly made their choices on this issue.

 

[AmazingAshlee]

I never said it was okay. I said reporting it would only be like a bitch slap to the girl. It's catty. Just like your last post, Evvie. I honestly have a lot of respect for every single girl in this thread, I've lurked for a LONG TIME. I just also have a differing opinion on dealing with this issue. After all the lurking and learning I've done, I think I'm also entitled to my opinion. I'd also bet a lot of you also don't actually HAVE children. The ones that do are too busy playing mom to worry about what some other girl shares or doesn't share.

 

[JickyJuly]

No one needs to be a mother to understand that displaying a child on a pornographic site is at best idiotic and at worst malicious. Just... this... I'm astounded. I'm going to go stuff my face with pumpkin pie until I feel less angry with and sad for you. :shock:

 

[Evvie]

No, I don't have children, but that doesn't mean I can't have concern for the welfare of children.

If you are a grown woman with a child, you should know better than to display your children on a pornography site. Women who do that deserve to be reported. Yes, it's a bitch slap, because that's the right thing to do. It may be bitchy, catty, what ever. If you show your children on a porn site you deserve to get reported.

If a woman is so down on her luck where she absolutely needs to work specifically on MFC for money, then she should be more aware of the dangers of jeopardizing her job. If it really is an issue of, "I need this job to survive," don't you think a model would focus more on what she needs to do to keep it?

Some rules (public shows, pee shows, whatever) actually earn the model money. What does showing her kid do? I think we agree that if she is showing photos of her children for money, then she is in the wrong. But what could showing her children for free possibly gain her except endangering her account?

 

[AllisonWilder]

I'd also bet a lot of you also don't actually HAVE children. The ones that do are too busy playing mom to worry about what some other girl shares or doesn't share.

I'm a mom and I believe I stated on page 1 that I have no problem screen-capping any model showing pictures of their kids or showing their actual child off live on cam. Not only do I screen-cap them, I report them. Just as I'd expect someone to do to me if I was showing off my son or his pictures.

This is a porn site. Plain and simple. I have no problem mentioning the kiddo every now and again, but I try not to make a habit of it because not only does it give the room a weird vibe, it's fucking creepy. I don't want to talk about my kid when I'm naked, trying to get naked and/or diddling myself.

\We all are instructed to read up on the site before starting, kids on cam is a hard-and-fast rule. MFC doesn't mess around with that. Bottom line? If you show off your kiddo on cam, you deserve to get banned.

If banned, she will find somewhere else to act the same way. In fact, she may even rebel and post MORE just because you decided to interfere.

No. That's fucking stupid. Who in their right mind would ever do that?

 

[AmazingAshlee]

Technically that is not "kid on cam" and there is really no need to be rude. I personally would rather worry about my own shit than go around busting other people. Funny thing, I actually do quite well that way. Not everyone has to do things "your" way. That's part of life. Might as well accept it. Start focusing on your own goals and you'll find yourself much happier. On a side note, this is a forum. Meaning it's for discussion, and you need lots of different opinions for it to function. Shutting people down the first second they don't believe as you do just makes people like me want to keep their mouth shut. Sure, lets all spread anti model hate, cause there isn't enough of that from the member side lately! What you post here is seen by members, who may not know anything about the site, or may take it out of hand. Next thing you know we are reporting every single model who even mentions that she has a child. Why don't we just filter the chat and if its not "mfc appropriate", we give them the old ban completely from mfc, models and members alike. Then we can all just be robot clones of each other and turn mfc into the worst site to ever exist. Individuality is what sells. Stop killing it! This forum does not accurately display the opinions of the general MFC population. That's because anyone who dares come forward is cut into itty bitty pieces.

And @Allison... You clearly need to watch a few "bad" models in more detail. Rebelling is actually really common and tends to pay well.

 

[bob]

If banned, she will find somewhere else to act the same way. In fact, she may even rebel and post MORE just because you decided to interfere.

No. That's fucking stupid. Who in their right mind would ever do that?

those who would only demonstrate the importance of reporting any infraction, imo
this is one wierd discussion....i'm all for you models having some empathy for each other's situation, but those of you who have made the case for zero tolerance wrt to kids on cam have my support.....you've got enough going on without trying to reason with that kind of silliness.

saludos

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I personally would rather worry about my own shit than go around busting other people. Funny thing, I actually do quite well that way. Not everyone has to do things "your" way.

for those with kids especially, it easy to understand why this issue is considered a part of "their shit" imo

 

[AmazingAshlee]

Bob, I like what you are trying to say. That the kind of girl who would NEED to be reported for this would also be the type to rebel.

As far as your second quote, I'd like to clarify that any model who notices, and feels a need to report, that a particular girl is showing a lot of "kid action" has clearly watched her. Taken time out of their "busy mom day" to keep an eye on this girl. The reasons for that could be many. If she shows her child it becomes ammo to use against her. We, as models, should not encourage that kind of behavior.

People are mean, I get that. I'm not an idiot. If they weren't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Technically that is not "kid on cam" and there is really no need to be rude. I personally would rather worry about my own shit than go around busting other people. Funny thing, I actually do quite well that way. Not everyone has to do things "your" way. That's part of life. Might as well accept it. Start focusing on your own goals and you'll find yourself much happier. On a side note, this is a forum. Meaning it's for discussion, and you need lots of different opinions for it to function. Shutting people down the first second they don't believe as you do just makes people like me want to keep their mouth shut. Sure, lets all spread anti model hate, cause there isn't enough of that from the member side lately! What you post here is seen by members, who may not know anything about the site, or may take it out of hand. Next thing you know we are reporting every single model who even mentions that she has a child. Why don't we just filter the chat and if its not "mfc appropriate", we give them the old ban completely from mfc, models and members alike. Then we can all just be robot clones of each other and turn mfc into the worst site to ever exist. Individuality is what sells. Stop killing it! This forum does not accurately display the opinions of the general MFC population. That's because anyone who dares come forward is cut into itty bitty pieces.

And @Allison... You clearly need to watch a few "bad" models in more detail. Rebelling is actually really common and tends to pay well.

I don't go around 'busting' models for things. I observe good models and I observe bad models. If I observe a bad model displaying their child or a picture of their child, your damn right I'll report it. It's a PORN site. I don't do it to be spiteful. Hell, I'm not even an MFC model so it's not like I gain anything from it other than knowing there's one less kiddie pic out there for a pedophile to jerk it to.

You're right, this is a forum that thrives on opposing ideas. My ideas are different than yours so I post them.

I'm also not worried about a member coming across my posts. If you're worried about it, continue this thread in models only. Nobody is forcing you to post here.

You go ahead and do whatever you want on your cam. I'll do the same. (I talk about my kid several times a week, I just refuse to show his picture because I think that's gross.) I'll continue to make bank without my kid being a factor. I also won't be watching any of these 'bad, rebellious models' on purpose. If posting pictures of your kids or showing them off on cam gets you income, great. When you find your kid plastered all over some pedo interweb forum and nobody will take it down, well that's not on me, that's on you.

 

[JickyJuly]

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I personally would rather worry about my own shit than go around busting other people. Funny thing, I actually do quite well that way. Not everyone has to do things "your" way.

for those with kids especially, it easy to understand why this issue is considered a part of "their shit" imo

The well being of children is part of everyone's "shit". If an adult is doing something that may negatively affect herself, she can. BUT most decent human beings who stumble upon a child being displayed pornographically will take it upon themselves to do what they can to make sure it doesn't happen again. Even someone who stands back and doesn't get involved likely isn't going to think it's particularly okay. Kids mingling within porn is a pretty universal no-no. This is really not a gray area.

 

[Evvie]

Technically that is not "kid on cam" and there is really no need to be rude. I personally would rather worry about my own shit than go around busting other people. Funny thing, I actually do quite well that way. Not everyone has to do things "your" way. That's part of life. Might as well accept it. Start focusing on your own goals and you'll find yourself much happier. On a side note, this is a forum. Meaning it's for discussion, and you need lots of different opinions for it to function. Shutting people down the first second they don't believe as you do just makes people like me want to keep their mouth shut. Sure, lets all spread anti model hate, cause there isn't enough of that from the member side lately! What you post here is seen by members, who may not know anything about the site, or may take it out of hand. Next thing you know we are reporting every single model who even mentions that she has a child. Why don't we just filter the chat and if its not "mfc appropriate", we give them the old ban completely from mfc, models and members alike. Then we can all just be robot clones of each other and turn mfc into the worst site to ever exist. Individuality is what sells. Stop killing it! This forum does not accurately display the opinions of the general MFC population. That's because anyone who dares come forward is cut into itty bitty pieces.

And @Allison... You clearly need to watch a few "bad" models in more detail. Rebelling is actually really common and tends to pay well.

Emotionally charged arguments get strong opinions. Have you seen the politics thread?

Clearly not, you're standing up for yourself.

In the vast majority of threads a variety of opinions are put forth, however I think you may understand why some people are very against the "it's okay for models to show pictures of their kids on MFC" argument. I still don't understand why you are comfortable with models doing this.

It is NOT an expression of individuality. I watched two or three dozen models today so far. None of them showed pictures of their kids on cam and they were all pretty individual.

It is ridiculous to suggest women talking about having children will get them in trouble.
It is ridiculous to suggest that not wanting women to show children on a pornography site are going to turn them all in to mindless robot clones.

We are not saying, "every woman must do x, y, and z exactly and every woman must do what we want every single day and we will get her account banned if she doesn't perform how we want." We are saying, "women who show children on a pornography site should not be allowed to work there."

You are likening common sense and ethics to a totalitarian state level of control.

 

[AmazingAshlee]

Once again, I am not showing my child daily on cam. Please stop talking to me as if I am. It's presumptuous. The worst offense I can think of that I've made recently: posting a twitter pic of her tummy showing her cute onesie. It made me smile, so I wanted to share it. Quite a few of my members commented on how cute it was. No one said anything perverted, or nasty, or anything like that. They were respectful of me because I set up those expectations in the way I treat others. Some of you follow me, go ahead, REPORT ME! If you'd like I can go ahead and screencap it for you. I would rather be happy than live in fear. I'm sorry you aren't able to make that choice for yourselves. You let some random internet pervs be your deciding factor.

The reason that I am "emotionally charged" is because I am a mother. I think long and hard before I say a word about my daughter. I choose my words carefully, and if i share its because I made that choice after a lot of thought about its context. I learn from past mistakes on this issue. Does everyone? NO. But it IS a grey area, as evidenced by the replies on the first page. People don't want to touch the issue because of that.

 

[Evvie]

Pedophiles don't speak up.

If you have a fetish that is going to send you to federal prison for a long, long time, are you really going to send a message to a woman saying "awww yeah baby your daughter is so hot i want her"?

It is your choice if you want to include your child in your pornographic career. But you will never convince me that it is okay.

 

[Bocefish]

Is the brief few seconds a model may show a picture of her child really worth all this? If some pedoperv is looking to get off on children, they won't be furiously fapping searching MFC for content. Granted, it's not the best of ideas, but I hardly think it's fine worthy or a bannable offense.
:twocents-02cents:

 

[Evvie]

Is the brief few seconds a model may show a picture of her child really worth all this? If some pedoperv is looking to get off on children, they won't be furiously fapping searching MFC for content. Granted, it's not the best of ideas, but I hardly think it's fine worthy or a bannable offense.
:twocents-02cents:

I agree that a lady probably wouldn't get in trouble for that, but I am still highly confused as to why she would at all.

I had a friend who was a closet pedophile but knew the dangers of perusing it, so you would see him on websites like MFC because he was smart enough to stay away from that stuff.

 

[AmazingAshlee]

Is the brief few seconds a model may show a picture of her child really worth all this? If some pedoperv is looking to get off on children, they won't be furiously fapping searching MFC for content. Granted, it's not the best of ideas, but I hardly think it's fine worthy or a bannable offense.
:twocents-02cents:

If I could triple thank I would. That pretty much sums it up for me.

 

[JickyJuly]

Is the brief few seconds a model may show a picture of her child really worth all this? If some pedoperv is looking to get off on children, they won't be furiously fapping searching MFC for content. Granted, it's not the best of ideas, but I hardly think it's fine worthy or a bannable offense.
:twocents-02cents:

Any woman who would happily mix her kid in with MFC with visuals is a liability to the site and her kid (and likely herself but that's her own business). If kids on camera isn't reason for banning what is?

 

[bob]

Bob, I like what you are trying to say. That the kind of girl who would NEED to be reported for this would also be the type to rebel.

As far as your second quote, I'd like to clarify that any model who notices, and feels a need to report, that a particular girl is showing a lot of "kid action" has clearly watched her. Taken time out of their "busy mom day" to keep an eye on this girl. The reasons for that could be many. If she shows her child it becomes ammo to use against her. We, as models, should not encourage that kind of behavior.

People are mean, I get that. I'm not an idiot. If they weren't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

obviously i'm not a model, ashlee....but yeah....a lot of models watch others models regularly, but i've never heard any one of them say they do it to "police" the site....they do it to learn, they do it because they're curious, they do it to perv maybe too

unless i've missed something, nobody's talking about proactively and single handedly trying to rid MFC of kids on cam....moms and those with a different view of things that yours are simply saying that reporting it when they see it is important to their working environment, and their personal ethic.....

as a dad, i agree with them

and i don't know where the word "idiot" came from....i don't think your pov is stupid...i just don't agree with it.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Is the brief few seconds a model may show a picture of her child really worth all this? If some pedoperv is looking to get off on children, they won't be furiously fapping searching MFC for content. Granted, it's not the best of ideas, but I hardly think it's fine worthy or a bannable offense.
:twocents-02cents:

You're probably right that they aren't furiously searching for it, but all the screencap threads have taught us that it takes less than a second to hit the Print Screen button.


Ashlee, maybe your room is magical and you don't get the pervs the way some of us do and if that's the case, well then I envy you. I have had people blatantly fish for information about my son. I have had people that I had never spoken to ask me to show him off or to go and get him to show live. I get a slew of people on a regular basis that want me to talk about mother/son ageplay in which they're very young. Maybe I'm just jaded.

 

[SoTxBob]

Speaking as a single dad that raised 2 kids from diaper/toddler to college...
I can see both sides of this...
To me bottom line is, any porn site, mfc, stream or any of the rest, makes no difference where, No kid or representation thereof should be displayed. Period. That means pics, vids, live on cam, or any other hair you want to split into technicalities.
To mention him/her is one thing. Chat, as long as its non detailed, is harmless. Everyone talks and for all they know you could have 5 kids that are complete fabrications and not real for your internet persona.

The forum here is a generally good place even with the few outspoken and dominant personalities. That's what makes it interesting. That said, I agree that there are many ways to do any given thing and no single person has the exact single answer or solution. 'Zero tolerance' is a thing that is also therefore up to interpretation and subject to shades of grey.... IE, 'no kids on cam' to some might mean 'not on live cam' while to others might mean no pics as well. I am more for the supporting of each other and the kid. If there is a concern, I'd hope none are so self righteous as to attempt to get them banned before sending them a pm expressing concerns. Unemployment of the mom has a bit of a detrimental impact on the kid as well...

 

[Bocefish]

Is the brief few seconds a model may show a picture of her child really worth all this? If some pedoperv is looking to get off on children, they won't be furiously fapping searching MFC for content. Granted, it's not the best of ideas, but I hardly think it's fine worthy or a bannable offense.
:twocents-02cents:

I agree that a lady probably wouldn't get in trouble for that, but I am still highly confused as to why she would at all.

I had a friend who was a closet pedophile but knew the dangers of perusing it, so you would see him on websites like MFC because he was smart enough to stay away from that stuff.

In that case, models should never show their pets on cam either just in case some beastiality perv may get off on it. If the mother is intentionally using the pics to draw in pedos or use her kid for profit, then it becomes an issue. Otherwise, meh, the sky won't fall anytime soon from showing a baby picture for a couple seconds.

 

[AmazingAshlee]

I agree that a lady probably wouldn't get in trouble for that, but I am still highly confused as to why she would at all.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. It just means you need to think a little more about why she'd do that. I tried to explain why one might, but clearly I'm just "sad".

obviously i'm not a model, ashlee....but yeah....a lot of models watch others models regularly, but i've never heard any one of them say they do it to "police" the site....they do it to learn, they do it because they're curious, they do it to perv maybe too

LOL the models aren't going to tell you the "bad" reasons they might watch. Maybe they are jealous of the girl. Or they had some sort of falling out. Drama is everywhere, and stuff like this fuels it. But members should also be more aware that a lot of models do "hate stalk" other models. And some of them are good at hiding it.


I will also say again, ACTUAL kid on cam is awful. Picture of kid on cam... well you're pushing it, but not the end of the world, again. MFC did ban a girl for having pictures on the wall though. Someone must have really wanted her gone.

Ashlee, maybe your room is magical and you don't get the pervs the way some of us do and if that's the case, well then I envy you. I have had people blatantly fish for information about my son. I have had people that I had never spoken to ask me to show him off or to go and get him to show live. I get a slew of people on a regular basis that want me to talk about mother/son ageplay in which they're very young. Maybe I'm just jaded.

I would be more than willing to talk with you in more detail outside the forum. I used to get this all the time. It really just comes down to the way you deal with their behavior.
What you just said is exactly why I stopped trying to adamantly "hide" her.
It makes your child a commodity.

 

[bob]

Is the brief few seconds a model may show a picture of her child really worth all this? If some pedoperv is looking to get off on children, they won't be furiously fapping searching MFC for content. Granted, it's not the best of ideas, but I hardly think it's fine worthy or a bannable offense.
:twocents-02cents:

I agree that a lady probably wouldn't get in trouble for that, but I am still highly confused as to why she would at all.

i posted early on in this thread that i feel it's easy for some models to deny the nature of the site because of their views about what they do personally on site.....so it may not be a big deal to them if their kids inadvertently show up on cam for a bit.

and sure, it's easy to agree with boce that it's no big deal....life isn't perfect, and either are we.

for this reason then, this discussion is as much about attitude to me as it is about physically protecting kids from harm....regardless of how anyone wants to define what goes on at mfc, it is still an adult site (i'm not telling you anything you don't already know)....so are bars, and they are considered by most of society to be less harmful than an "adult website"....but the sign about age limits is clearly posted outside a bar.....and nobody questions it (until the get with a few years of the legal age in their community :lol:

 

[Evvie]

I agree that a lady probably wouldn't get in trouble for that, but I am still highly confused as to why she would at all.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. It just means you need to think a little more about why she'd do that. I tried to explain why one might, but clearly I'm just "sad".

Ashlee, maybe your room is magical and you don't get the pervs the way some of us do and if that's the case, well then I envy you. I have had people blatantly fish for information about my son. I have had people that I had never spoken to ask me to show him off or to go and get him to show live. I get a slew of people on a regular basis that want me to talk about mother/son ageplay in which they're very young. Maybe I'm just jaded.

I would be more than willing to talk with you in more detail outside the forum. I used to get this all the time. It really just comes down to the way you deal with their behavior.
What you just said is exactly why I stopped trying to adamantly "hide" her.

So you admit that you have experienced in the past an onslaught of members who were clearly "overly" interested in your kid, but you are still comfortable sharing pictures of her? Have you considered that the reason people no longer hound you for information is because you are happy to give it to them?

No, I don't get it at all. If you're only going to show a picture of your kid for a "couple of seconds", why do it at all?

Kids are a big part of your life, I get it, but why do you want to expose your child to a pornographic site? I still have no good answer for that. Why would any parent proudly say, "I show pictures of my kid on porn sites and there's nothing wrong with it!"

@Bocefish, dogs aren't the same as human children. It's a different issue.

 

[JoleneBrody]

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