The 'is interracial porn racist' thread

[southsamurai]

looks like the line thats been danced around is that its not racist to not be attracted to another ethic group as long as its just attraction or not, the primal hormonal response. it is racist if you are attracted but refuse to admit it or follow up on it because of their race. also, it is racist to refuse to date people based on ethnicity if it is not because of the aforestated reasons of attraction. ( not repeating my opinion, just sort of trying to find the consensus of whats been said so far by the thread posters as a whole, by majority)

like the wonderful miss evvie said, our primary sense of attraction is formed very early on, so we can only modify it so much. if it is something that you are born with or gain very young a person cant really be called racist, or any anti-ist for going with their basic imprint (you know some folk that are catholic would never actually date a jewish person, but dont have any beef with them as a different example). the line that defines it as racism is when the person takes that basic imprint and applies it with a broad brush to a group other than their own as a negative. i.e. i am white, and was raised around white people, so all other ethnicities are ugly.

with many things (and i dive back into my own thoughts and opinions here) in human behavior i find that what makes it positive, negative or neutral isnt the what (not dating another group) but the why. now, in my life ive dated outside my ethnicity pretty damn broadly, and have fought hard against anti-caucasian racism applied against me. ( hey just because it isnt a thing with major consequences in life doesnt make it less real).
i accept a certain amount of "damn crazy ass crackers" thrown my way since america has yet to balance out the injustices of the past. (and lets be honest, is 30 or 40 years enough time to even forget, much less forgive?) again, that kind of behavior is just a simple reaction to the experiences and imprints of youth.
the same people who made disparaging remarks in that bent didnt hate me, wouldnt have assaulted me or denied me work because i am white, though in most cases they certainly gave me an extra hard time for dating or being friends with their family members. did that make them racist? not in my opinion. there were a number of white parents/family that objected to me based on other things such as religion, my earrings and long hair, etc..

i still find myself befuddled by folk that declare "i will only date/have sex with people of X race". the last 20 years or so i hear it more often from people saying it about a race other than their own. not because they are so single minded, but because i cant help but think of how many opportunities for passion, sex and love they are missing.

i mean really? the subtle, earthy wonderment of darker skin tones is a piece of magic. the differences in hair texture is a symphony of tactile music. even the varying silkiness of the skin itself is a feast for the fingers and lips. they are no less joyful than the pinks and reds and olives available among so-called white folk. while i prefer monogamy at this point in my life, the amazing and glorious variety of the human form still bespells me at times. i always just end up sayin "huh. well more for me" when i run into the more single minded folk

 

[lordmagellan]

Nice to know who here is down low racist. :thumbleft:

Wait. Are you insinuating that someone here is racist? And if so, whom? Because, given the context in which you post this, it seems like you mean me.

 

[Nordling]

We discuss a lot of various aspects of this topic but I'd like to understand more about "choice," "preference," "imprinting" (are we ducks?), etc. I grew ups with a bigoted father who was a kind of closet fan of Adolf H and his pals, I had almost zero contact with anyone but lower middle class white people until I was about 18, and even then it was cursory at best. Still, with all that, I cannot remember a time in my life I haven't been attracted to all women, irrespective of so-called "race." Maybe I became a progressive type at an early age as a rebellion against the hate I felt coming from dear old dad, but it's held firm, so it's genuine. Even at a very young age, when people would ask why I was so different from my father, I'd tell them, "I've always felt we have choices about who we are; if you DON'T make some choices, when the alternatives are downright evil, then you're nothing but a machine, a robot...a duck. This is not something you have to accept, though internal vigilance may be necessary...since those "bad" components are in there, simply suppressed by the rational mind.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Nice to know who here is down low racist. :thumbleft:

Wait. Are you insinuating that someone here is racist? And if so, whom? Because, given the context in which you post this, it seems like you mean me.

Not naming names and it was mostly based on the responses in the other thread, but I wasn't referring to you.
It kind of seemed as though we agreed but had slight misunderstanding of each others posts, but I'm not for sure.

 

[lordmagellan]

We discuss a lot of various aspects of this topic but I'd like to understand more about "choice," "preference," "imprinting" (are we ducks?), etc. I grew ups with a bigoted father who was a kind of closet fan of Adolf H and his pals, I had almost zero contact with anyone but lower middle class white people until I was about 18, and even then it was cursory at best. Still, with all that, I cannot remember a time in my life I haven't been attracted to all women, irrespective of so-called "race." Maybe I became a progressive type at an early age as a rebellion against the hate I felt coming from dear old dad, but it's held firm, so it's genuine. Even at a very young age, when people would ask why I was so different from my father, I'd tell them, "I've always felt we have choices about who we are; if you DON'T make some choices, when the alternatives are downright evil, then you're nothing but a machine, a robot...a duck. This is not something you have to accept, though internal vigilance may be necessary...since those "bad" components are in there, simply suppressed by the rational mind.

We aren't ducks, per se, but imprinting/ programming does happen. Like Evvie was getting at, a lot of our adult choices are driven by upbringing and childhood experiences. I was raised where the word "nigger" was tossed around rather freely, along with the usual "spic," "wetback," rag head," et al, ad nauseam. But like you, I chose to grow myself passed all that shit. I realized pretty early on, we're all individually human. But not all people make that choice and instead, remain ignorant of the beauty of other cultures and ethnicities. To me, racism implies a negative connotation and that's where I'm disagreeing with your and Megan's views. I see it more as being unenlightened, possibly xenophobic; though that too, seems more negative than I'd like.

Also, look up ( I think it was) Watson(?) and Little Albert. It was psychological study on imprinting in humans. And Pavlov, for that matter. It's slightly different than what's being discussed here, but not hard to draw a correlation.

Nice to know who here is down low racist. :thumbleft:

Wait. Are you insinuating that someone here is racist? And if so, whom? Because, given the context in which you post this, it seems like you mean me.

Not naming names and it was mostly based on the responses in the other thread, but I wasn't referring to you.
It kind of seemed as though we agreed but had slight misunderstanding of each others posts, but I'm not for sure.

Ah, I haven't read the other thread, just saw this one.

 

[southsamurai]

We discuss a lot of various aspects of this topic but I'd like to understand more about "choice," "preference," "imprinting" (are we ducks?), etc.

I grew ups with a bigoted father who was a kind of closet fan of Adolf H and his pals, I had almost zero contact with anyone but lower middle class white people until I was about 18, and even then it was cursory at best. ......... Maybe I became a progressive type at an early age as a rebellion against the hate I felt coming from dear old dad, but it's held firm, so it's genuine. Even at a very young age, when people would ask why I was so different from my father, I'd tell them, "I've always felt we have choices about who we are; if you DON'T make some choices, when the alternatives are downright evil, then you're nothing but a machine, a robot...a duck. This is not something you have to accept, though internal vigilance may be necessary...since those "bad" components are in there, simply suppressed by the rational mind.

well up to a certain point we can be very duck like. until the frontal lobes start getting developed the typical human is more instinct and learned behaviors than a truly rational self directing creature. that isnt to say that your example is uncommon either. rejecting forced beliefs is sort of a form of teaching of its own (im one of three liberals in a family full of republicans). when we (at a young age) see someone filled with hate and anger it may cause us to reject them and anything they say outright. this aspect is amplified if it its bolstered by social consequences of some kind to the hate filled person. the whole nature/nurture debate has raged for a long time, and wont go away soon. that being said, until between 7 and 11 (or so) our brains are still immature and we follow more of our genetic programming and learned behaviors before anything else. its basic survival. after that point, and accelerating from puberty until the early to mid twenties we begin to analyze things more for ourselves.

i guess i should go ahead with my "nword" story here as it is a good example of conflicting social values being taught.

like nord, one side of my family was bigoted. old school redneck hick country people in my case. not bad people mind you, just a product of their generation. this was my father's side of the family. the threw that word around a lot. from here on ill just replace it with ninja to save time. my grandmother in specific was more virulent with the use of ninja, even in public and to people's faces. the interesting thing is that until i was older i didnt associate it with a matter of race. i could tell from the way she said ninja that it was a bad word. my mom and dad were more progressive than their parents and had told me that if i wondered what a bad word meant they would explain it to me as long as that was the only time i used it. so i go up to my mom one day and asked her what a ninja was, what did it mean. she asked where i heard that word, rather upset. i told her it came from my grandmother. she was a little miffed but explained it to me. just not for real. she told me it just meant a stupid person. i guess the idea of explaining racism and all the issues related to it was more than she could handle

well, since they had always explained things to me correctly before i didnt question it, so i went through life thinking that ninja was a synonym for stupid. until the 6th grade anyway. now i've mentioned in other posts that the neighborhood i grew up in ( and live in now) was predominantly african american. this meant that most of the folk i knew and was friends with were not white. heck, the white folk that lived around here were assholes one and all to be honest. but once i started school i met other pigment challenged folk and broadened my horizons. early on i made a good friend who lasted til teh 6th grade. we worked on a science project together and clashed a bit. plus his ( damn yankee) parents didnt like me. so as we sat in the library arguing one day we started getting heated and exchanging insults. eventually i called him a ninja.

alas, nearby to us was another friend, a young lady who rode the bus with me and with whom i had visited after church many times. (yes, a baptist church in our neighborhood) since her ethinicity was african in descent she took objection to my statement. she asked me why i would use such a word. i replied that i was mad at scott and started telling her why. she stopped me and said that she hoped i knew that a ninja is just a stupid word for stupid people. i of course replied that i knew that. i was absolutely blank as to why she was so upset with me. a few hours and a visit to the principle later i figured out why. my mom explained to the principle that in an effort to keep me from being like my father's family they decided to just avoid the subject altogether.

it all got sorted out, but i was numb for a while. when one of the idiot crackers in our few blocks gave me hell it was black folk that stood with me. when my folks had an emergency it was our very dark skinned, wonderful neighbor who took care of me. it was her and her granddaughter who helped me study. that these good people could be so hated just because they tanned really deep blew my little mind (yeah i know, but thats how the difference of skin color was explained to me back then, melanin was a new word for me and my folks didnt understand how to explain it any better.

i spent a good deal of time angry with my grandmother and grandfather (though he passed soon after that) and things never really got any better with her. when i started seeing a girl who was mixed, she threw a hissy fit and i more or less never visited her again.

so, are we robots, doomed to follow our genes and our parent's words? definitely not. but what we learn at a very young age has an impact, an imprint on us, like a channel worn into the desert of our minds by the river of words that flow around and through us. if my folks had died and that grandmother raised me would i have come out a bigot as well? gods i hope not, but it would have been a fight not to. i got lucky i guess. here in the south at that time race was a bigger issue than other places in the country, and it wasnt exactly a small thing elsewhere. i've had the chance to see the folk around here open up, change and see the reality of things, that black and white arent so black and white. of course now most folk of either skin tone seem to be united in hating mexican immigrants, but hell theres a long history of needing to hate someone around here. when you are dirt poor and cant see a way to rise up its easier to hate than unite i guess.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

We discuss a lot of various aspects of this topic but I'd like to understand more about "choice," "preference," "imprinting" (are we ducks?), etc. I grew ups with a bigoted father who was a kind of closet fan of Adolf H and his pals, I had almost zero contact with anyone but lower middle class white people until I was about 18, and even then it was cursory at best. Still, with all that, I cannot remember a time in my life I haven't been attracted to all women, irrespective of so-called "race." Maybe I became a progressive type at an early age as a rebellion against the hate I felt coming from dear old dad, but it's held firm, so it's genuine. Even at a very young age, when people would ask why I was so different from my father, I'd tell them, "I've always felt we have choices about who we are; if you DON'T make some choices, when the alternatives are downright evil, then you're nothing but a machine, a robot...a duck. This is not something you have to accept, though internal vigilance may be necessary...since those "bad" components are in there, simply suppressed by the rational mind.

We aren't ducks, per se, but imprinting/ programming does happen. Like Evvie was getting at, a lot of our adult choices are driven by upbringing and childhood experiences. I was raised where the word "nigger" was tossed around rather freely, along with the usual "spic," "wetback," rag head," et al, ad nauseam. But like you, I chose to grow myself passed all that shit. I realized pretty early on, we're all individually human. But not all people make that choice and instead, remain ignorant of the beauty of other cultures and ethnicities. To me, racism implies a negative connotation and that's where I'm disagreeing with your and Megan's views. I see it more as being unenlightened, possibly xenophobic; though that too, seems more negative than I'd like.

Also, look up ( I think it was) Watson(?) and Little Albert. It was psychological study on imprinting in humans. And Pavlov, for that matter. It's slightly different than what's being discussed here, but not hard to draw a correlation.

Nice to know who here is down low racist. :thumbleft:

Wait. Are you insinuating that someone here is racist? And if so, whom? Because, given the context in which you post this, it seems like you mean me.

Not naming names and it was mostly based on the responses in the other thread, but I wasn't referring to you.
It kind of seemed as though we agreed but had slight misunderstanding of each others posts, but I'm not for sure.

Ah, I haven't read the other thread, just saw this one.

Read the last two pages of the "Things Members Say That Make You Go WTF" and you might understand why I said what I did.

 

[Nordling]

We discuss a lot of various aspects of this topic but I'd like to understand more about "choice," "preference," "imprinting" (are we ducks?), etc.

I grew ups with a bigoted father who was a kind of closet fan of Adolf H and his pals, I had almost zero contact with anyone but lower middle class white people until I was about 18, and even then it was cursory at best. ......... Maybe I became a progressive type at an early age as a rebellion against the hate I felt coming from dear old dad, but it's held firm, so it's genuine. Even at a very young age, when people would ask why I was so different from my father, I'd tell them, "I've always felt we have choices about who we are; if you DON'T make some choices, when the alternatives are downright evil, then you're nothing but a machine, a robot...a duck. This is not something you have to accept, though internal vigilance may be necessary...since those "bad" components are in there, simply suppressed by the rational mind.

well up to a certain point we can be very duck like.

<snip>

so, are we robots, doomed to follow our genes and our parent's words? definitely not. but what we learn at a very young age has an impact, an imprint on us, like a channel worn into the desert of our minds by the river of words that flow around and through us. if my folks had died and that grandmother raised me would i have come out a bigot as well? gods i hope not, but it would have been a fight not to. i got lucky i guess. here in the south at that time race was a bigger issue than other places in the country, and it wasnt exactly a small thing elsewhere. i've had the chance to see the folk around here open up, change and see the reality of things, that black and white arent so black and white. of course now most folk of either skin tone seem to be united in hating mexican immigrants, but hell theres a long history of needing to hate someone around here. when you are dirt poor and cant see a way to rise up its easier to hate than unite i guess.

Yes, similar to my life except replace your parents with my father or your grandfather. And yeah, that's what I meant be "internal vigilance." These mental pathways exist in all of us...wrong information...because of childhood imprinting, but my point is, you can suppress them, almost completely, not by sweeping them under the neuron carpet, so to speak, but treat them like a debate partner and crush them with rationality. They'll always be there, but they'll have almost no affect on your life. They'll be like seeing a horror movie, the memory remains but you don't go out and hack people up with an axe.

 

[LadyLuna]

Thisi si a good place to start, if you want to see the discussion that prompted this thread. Keep going until the announcement of this thread, and you'll see all of it.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I had a roommate at one point who annoyed me for many reasons, but I'll stick to the one that's relevant here. She is a white girl who will ONLY date black guys, "because white guy's dicks aren't big enough".

That way of thinking irritates me a lot. That stereotype itself bothers me, even. All races have the full range of dick size, so picking which race you date based on an inaccurate stereotype is quite silly. And the reason you chose who you'll date should (I would hope) be a little more than just the size of their sexual organs.

This roommate would go on and on about her preference extensively, and would spend a lot of time online flirting with random guys. One of them sent her a picture of his dick, and she had the whole house come look at it because she found it intimidating. I was amused, because my husband, being a white guy of the "ginger" category, had the same size dick as the guy in the picture, and the guy in the picture was just above average in size.... So, let me get this straight. You only date black guys because nobody else's dicks are big enough for you, but a slightly above-average dick is intimidating to you? I think we just proved how untrue that stereotype is in the cases of the men you've been with, as well as the fact that there's a white guy whose dick is of that same "intimidating" size.

There are just so many things in that situation that make no sense to me. It comes off to me as slightly racist, especially when it's a decision based on a stereotype that is just that, a stereotype.

 

[MadisonGraceLloyd]

I've read the other thread & my feelings still haven't changed on this subject. Through my life I have found that I've been more attracted to white guys, this isn't be being racist it's just the way it is. I don't have a problem performing for black guys when I cam, I don't have a problem with black guys talking to me.... that's where the line would go for racism.

While I wouldn't have ruled out the possibility of me EVER dating a black guy (tense used as I don't plan on dating again), there's other factors that are involved (personality, compatibility etc.) that would need to work in order for me to want to date them. When you have a "type" you usually go for that's not necessarily down to being a bigot, that's what you find most attractive in a person.

In porn I don't think it's racist to say you only want to fuck people of a certain colour, it's racist to say that the director, cameraman etc can only be of a certain colour.

 

[Jupiter551]

I don't understand how it's racist if you don't find people of a particular race attractive, it's not something you have a huge amount of control over & you don't really tend to go round fucking people you're not attracted too.

I mostly agree with Megan but I think you have a good point that you can't actually help what you're attracted to - in which case I'd say it's still racism, it's just unintentional or a result of upbringing or society or something outside of your own control.

Because another example is say a rape victim - maybe she feels intimidated by the way someone looks and in her fear she just feels intimidated (unjustly 99.99% of the time, but she can't help it) by a certain 'type' of guy, and maybe as far as all black guys she's met so far, she doesn't feel sexually attracted. If that's racism, then it's not her fault.

 

[Jupiter551]

She is a white girl who will ONLY date black guys, "because white guy's dicks aren't big enough".

That way of thinking irritates me a lot.

Same here! lol

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I cannot remember a time in my life I haven't been attracted to all women, irrespective of so-called "race." .

Same here. Always wonder whats up with dudes who say they block certain areas.

 

[lordmagellan]

I had a roommate at one point who annoyed me for many reasons, but I'll stick to the one that's relevant here. She is a white girl who will ONLY date black guys, "because white guy's dicks aren't big enough".

That way of thinking irritates me a lot. That stereotype itself bothers me, even. All races have the full range of dick size, so picking which race you date based on an inaccurate stereotype is quite silly. And the reason you chose who you'll date should (I would hope) be a little more than just the size of their sexual organs.

This roommate would go on and on about her preference extensively, and would spend a lot of time online flirting with random guys. One of them sent her a picture of his dick, and she had the whole house come look at it because she found it intimidating. I was amused, because my husband, being a white guy of the "ginger" category, had the same size dick as the guy in the picture, and the guy in the picture was just above average in size.... So, let me get this straight. You only date black guys because nobody else's dicks are big enough for you, but a slightly above-average dick is intimidating to you? I think we just proved how untrue that stereotype is in the cases of the men you've been with, as well as the fact that there's a white guy whose dick is of that same "intimidating" size.

There are just so many things in that situation that make no sense to me. It comes off to me as slightly racist, especially when it's a decision based on a stereotype that is just that, a stereotype.

Yea, my mom was going on about this one night, because oh her new younger black boyfriend (I won't say African american because I don't know his lineage). It was all, "black men have the biggest.... blah blah." So I felt the need to explain to her that the smallest penis I've ever seen was a black man. The wife and I spent our honeymoon at Hedonism III and, while it was also a black man who had the largest I've seen (I swear that fucker was the size of my forearm), we saw another man who possessed an "innie." Seriously, it went: chest, gut, nuts. I think there was a little nub in there, but I didn't want to stare. Still the man was ballsy enough to walk around naked, head held high.

Dicks run the gamut. I remember reading once that studies showed it was actually testicle size that truly determined male attractiveness. but that was years ago and I don't how extensive the research was.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

I think most girls would be happy if dudes didn't have testicles at all.
Those things are weird. :lol:

My take on this is
I'm attracted to all races, but I wouldn't be upset if I asked a dude/lady out and he/she wasn't into white/native american girls.

 

[LadyLuna]

I think most girls would be happy if dudes didn't have testicles at all.
Those things are weird. :lol:

Hey now! I like having something for my hands to do when the cock actually fits all the way in my mouth (which is rare, but it does happen)! I find playing with the balls to be as relaxing as playing with my boobs... They're like warm stress-balls! (I promise, I'm gentle.)

 

[Jupiter551]

I cannot remember a time in my life I haven't been attracted to all women, irrespective of so-called "race." .

Same here. Always wonder whats up with dudes who say they block certain areas.

I third this. I've had a Pakistani girlfriend, Malaysian, Taiwanese, Japanese, American and Aussie, there is no one thing, race or otherwise, that I think unifies my attraction - I've not yet seen a naked Kalahari Bushwoman on cam and I suspect she'd have to try hard to really catch my eye, but otherwise I can say I'm an equal opportunity err, friend.

 

[sexyteenlayla]

Basically what I said in the WTF thread. Refusing to fuck people of a certain race, is racist if it's because you don't find that race attractive as a whole.

See i don't think that's racist AT ALL!!! It's the same as saying oh refusing to sleep with oher women because you don't find women as a whole sexually attractive is sexist!!! I mean with all due respect that's total bullshit. You simply CANNOT dictate one's sexual preferences to fit with what is pc in society!!! You can't force me to find, say asian men attractive when i simply do not because i'm too afraid of being called racist to say what i really think!

For example my bf is African, i prefer African men, does this make me racist against men of my own race (e.g white), no it just makes me a women empowered by her control of her sexual preferences.

xoxoxooxoxox
:twocents-02cents:

 

[Nordling]

Basically what I said in the WTF thread. Refusing to fuck people of a certain race, is racist if it's because you don't find that race attractive as a whole.

See i don't think that's racist AT ALL!!! It's the same as saying oh refusing to sleep with oher women because you don't find women as a whole sexually attractive is sexist!!! I mean with all due respect that's total bullshit. You simply CANNOT dictate one's sexual preferences to fit with what is pc in society!!! You can't force me to find, say asian men attractive when i simply do not because i'm too afraid of being called racist to say what i really think!

For example my bf is African, i prefer African men, does this make me racist against men of my own race (e.g white), no it just makes me a women empowered by her control of her sexual preferences.

xoxoxooxoxox
:twocents-02cents:

No, not sexist, the word is misogynist. No, no one can dictate your preferences, but some things really are better kept to oneself. To malign an entire ethnic group for no good reason is impolite at best. Isn't it nicer to say, "no thank you, I'm not interested in you" than to say "I'm sorry, but I really don't like people from Albania?"

 

[sexyteenlayla]

I'm certainly NOT suggesting anyone do that!!! I though we were having a frank discussion between the people on this site about what we really think! Of course if i am approached by a man or indeed woman of a race that i happen not to find sexually attractive, and let me just add here that other that that i have nothing depreciating to say about any race in this world, then of course i wouldn't seek to insult them!!! I would say that i am taken. You are simply distorting what i said for greater effect which really proves, if nothing else, that you couldn't come up with a better answer to my point than sarcasm.



xoxoxoxoxxo

 

[Nordling]

I'm certainly NOT suggesting anyone do that!!! I though we were having a frank discussion between the people on this site about what we really think! Of course if i am approached by a man or indeed woman of a race that i happen not to find sexually attractive, and let me just add here that other that that i have nothing depreciating to say about any race in this world, then of course i wouldn't seek to insult them!!! I would say that i am taken. You are simply distorting what i said for greater effect which really proves, if nothing else, that you couldn't come up with a better answer to my point than sarcasm.



xoxoxoxoxxo

I'm sorry, I in no way was intending sarcasm. In discussions like this, because it's sometimes a touchy subject, meanings can often be misinterpreted; you've explained greater details now, thank you.

 

[Jupiter551]

^ Yeah right, cos cats wouldn't be sarcastic look at that smile!

OT I guess but it was racist I saw a model, an American reasonably successful model and I'm not going to name her anywhere, not a model on acf either (thankfully) somehow having a bizarre conversation with her room about how she chose her gyno. She said first she "cut out from the list anyone who had a vagina" so no women gynos, didn't explain why and then cut out anyone that sounded like they "came from pakistan or somewhere". Then went on to say,

I don't have anything against them but I'm not gonna let them put their little curry fingers up my butt[btw I assume she meant vagina, or I think she picked the wrong gyno.

(*this was spoken and I wasn't ready to have to recall it word for word but the important parts are right)