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This isn't the first time a camsite has fired a top model for being a constant problem. I have seen Streamate fire several of theirs throughout the years. Good on MFC for no longer tolerating her bullshit.

I always feel bad for the new naive models who get caught up in her tantrums. I saw several wanting to join into her strike. I hope they didn't lose their accounts as well. 🥺
 
*complain and try to organize a strike, to be more precise
I think that's an important distinction. She's had a history of being pretty vile with her "complaints" and accusations on Twitter, and I think trying to rally models to kill their camscores on Sunday might have been the final straw.
 
I went and looked this up. The strike she was organizing involved 8 hours of uptime online with a message on your broadcast about the strike encouraging members not to tip you or buy tokens

If you have a very high camscore, 8 hours with no tips will be a hit you can afford to take. if you have a lower camscore.. 1000-2000 range this would absolutely decimate your camscore and make it very difficult to recover.

What was she thinking?
 
I went and looked this up. The strike she was organizing involved 8 hours of uptime online with a message on your broadcast about the strike encouraging members not to tip you or buy tokens

If you have a very high camscore, 8 hours with no tips will be a hit you can afford to take. if you have a lower camscore.. 1000-2000 range this would absolutely decimate your camscore and make it very difficult to recover.

What was she thinking?
Only about herself.
 
I went and looked this up. The strike she was organizing involved 8 hours of uptime online with a message on your broadcast about the strike encouraging members not to tip you or buy tokens

If you have a very high camscore, 8 hours with no tips will be a hit you can afford to take. if you have a lower camscore.. 1000-2000 range this would absolutely decimate your camscore and make it very difficult to recover.

What was she thinking?

These kinds of strikes typically makes no sense. If you already have tokens, it's already money spent. So, tipping a model with them helps the model but has no effect on MFC. However, if you buy tokens leading up to said strike and especially in anticipation of a specific strike date/time, you're in essence still buying what you would have spent anyway and negates a strike. Or, if you delay your purchase until after. It's like people saying they won't buy gasoline on a certain day out of protest, yet they fill up the day before or after.

I don't know the specifics of all of her complaints. But, I will say that while it's nice MFC has been making some improvements, for the amount of money MFC makes, it is kind of a shitshow. While it's cool they do things for the models, it's always been a complaint that they really don't do shit for members. In fact, they kind of treat members pretty shitty. For spending a shitload of money, all we get is the ability to change our names, fonts and colours. Oh, and supposedly better support and a big thank you. I'm not expecting the world, or even much. But, if you're a member who has relatively high rewards points (say mid to high five digits or more), should at least get something. I mean for fuck's sake, fast food and retail markets have legitimate member rewards programs.

After taking a break, I went back to MFC. While it's nice to visit with the models I have known for a while again, it's also not quite the same as it once was. I'm debating if I want to continue, as the time away was nice and I was able to get content from the models I like away from MFC (MV, etc but not OF) or camsites. Just not the interactive method of MFC. This isn't because of MFC banning Kickaz, as I was considering this before she was banned.
 
There's a way to vocalize legitimate concerns. Attempting to organize a strike on your public Twitter, encouraging your members to not spend money (even though I have a sneaking suspicion that if she were to get a big tip she wouldn't have been mad about it) and writing snarky emails claiming that you know how to run their business better than they do, ain't it. A lot of cam models tend to forget that they are not actual employees. They are independent contractors and are self employed. As such, cam sites can ban your account for any reason whatsoever and hold all the tokens in your account at the time of the ban and there is zero legal recourse one can take, because the sites are well within their legal boundaries to do so. Is it fair? Not always. But still, models should be aware of this and when you bitch and moan and make threats on social media you're biting the hand that feeds which puts a big ole target on your back. It doesn't matter who you are, how big and bad you think you are, how much money you make, every single person in this industry is replaceable.

Also, I don't get why so many MFC models and members are always complaining about the site. I can't comment on the technical issues, since I haven't cammed there in awhile and I only use Share now to post content, but even when I was still actively camming and was active on Twitter I'd always see a ton of models bitching about one thing or another. Same thing with members. It was mind boggling. Especially since at the time the site would only go down rarely and I personally had very few issues with streaming. Even with how Chaturbate is so ban happy, aside from the "BANNED PLZ HELP" posts on here, I don't see nearly as many models complain about Chaturbate as models on MFC complain. It just seems like the sense of entitlement is a lot higher on MFC with some models and some members alike. I get that it's frustrating to have technical issues, and that being unable to properly stream is a legit concern, but like I said earlier, there's better ways of dealing with that than being rude on Twitter. Plus, do people really think MFC admins are just sitting around twiddling their thumbs not doing a damn thing behind the scenes?

it's always been a complaint that they really don't do shit for members. In fact, they kind of treat members pretty shitty. For spending a shitload of money, all we get is the ability to change our names, fonts and colours. Oh, and supposedly better support and a big thank you. I'm not expecting the world, or even much. But, if you're a member who has relatively high rewards points (say mid to high five digits or more), should at least get something. I mean for fuck's sake, fast food and retail markets have legitimate member rewards programs.

I'm curious, what exactly do you think members should get? To my knowledge, no other sites offer any sort of special rewards at all to members who spend a certain amount of money. All I can think of is different colors on Chaturbate and a higher MV Member rank on ManyVids. In fact, MFC offers more than those other sites since you have access to different lounges (not like that really means much of anything). Idk, I just can't get behind this line of thinking. For example, I've spent a butt ton of money on video games over the years. I don't expect Sony to give me anything special for the money I spent on games, because just being able to enjoy the games is incentive enough for me to be happy with my purchase.
 
I'm curious, what exactly do you think members should get? To my knowledge, no other sites offer any sort of special rewards at all to members who spend a certain amount of money. All I can think of is different colors on Chaturbate and a higher MV Member rank on ManyVids. In fact, MFC offers more than those other sites since you have access to different lounges (not like that really means much of anything). Idk, I just can't get behind this line of thinking. For example, I've spent a butt ton of money on video games over the years. I don't expect Sony to give me anything special for the money I spent on games, because just being able to enjoy the games is incentive enough for me to be happy with my purchase.

Honestly, as I mentioned before, I don't expect much. Solid website that doesn't lag, is secure, has a good customer support team. MFC got way behind the ball on staying up to date, and had security issues when I first joined. I did acknowledge that they have been implementing new features and some improvements, so it isn't all bad. I do know it takes time to do these things. But, at the same time, there's been issues with MFC having lag issues in the 4+ years I've been a member. I'm in IT, so I know you can't guarantee 100% uptime. But, other companies with a much larger environment can do better uptime and service than MFC with a fraction of the revenue.

My comment on rewards programs is a little tongue in cheek. Yes, the models will do various promotions, so it potentially comes out of their bottom line. But, at the same time, aside from bundle pricing, MFC really doesn't do anything. In a way, I do agree that I enjoy my time with the models, and it's incentive enough to tip. But, based off of this which is in every member's account:

You have accumulated a total of XXX,XXX Rewards Points. Customers with high reward points may receive priority support, access to special features throughout the site, and a big thank you from all of the models and staff at MyFreeCams!

They don't spell it out explicitly. But, it is implied that the more you spend, you get some rewards such as special features and priority support. The lounges are pretty worthless, and filled with spiteful members. The ability to change fonts and name is something that many other platforms grant you already so I don't see a benefit there. The couple of times I've had to reach out to support, all but one were ignored and the one time they responded it was more or less a "Tough shit" response to an inquiry.

Using your Sony example, I do agree that enjoying a game is a great incentive. Though, if it was a really bad game, would you feel it was a good value? Or, if the PS4 or XBox had continual problems (such as the ring of death on XBox) you'd demand they pushed out a firmware update or offered a fix to address the problem. Sony does provide incentives to members in way of free games, some special features, events, etc. Other companies do this as well. Various companies offer usable rewards points programs where you can use those points towards free items, discounts, etc. Given it's extremely common for companies to have rewards programs, it is not unreasonable to think that MFC would offer something since it's implied as I pointed out above. If MFC, or any other company, has no inclination to offer or honor rewards programs, then it should not be stated that such exists in the first place. Hell, casinos offer incentives to get people to spend more to get better rewards such as room or experience upgrades at hotels, shows, packages etc.

What I'm really getting at is that in an environment such as camsites, it's a mutual relationship. All three need the others to survive. At any point, when one feels underappreciated, taken advantage of, or mistreated in any way then they will most likely leave. Sure, one person doesn't mean it's going to kill it off because when it comes to models or members, there's going to be others to replace those that leave. But, if enough people to start raising concerns, and some level of damage control isn't done to correct issues, then it sets things in motion and may cause irreparable harm. Maybe not enough to kill it. But, enough to cause significant revenue loss. And, as always, if a member doesn't feel like the value isn't there anymore for the money spent, they're free to go elsewhere or stop visiting camsites entirely.

While it's true that models are 1099 self-employed contractors, I doubt that a court would uphold a camsite's ability to withhold pay from the model for money earned. I spent years working as a 1099, and the only way payment could've been withheld from me is if I did something negligent or caused monetary loss (I also had to carry insurance for said reason). I know a few subcontractors who took contract houses to court over withheld pay and won. Does that mean a camsite can't win? No, as I am sure there are specific reasons where they could win. But, I also don't agree that it's right/legal for the camsite to hold onto the funds if it doesn't go back to the members.

IMO, social media should be a last resort for airing grievances with a business partner. In Kicka's defense, it sounds like she tried to reach out to support via email, etc for a number of reasons which were not answered or addressed. At least this is my limited understanding of what I've read. If that's true, then what course does someone have other than make it a bit more public for awareness? If this have to be the route to go, then it should be as respectful as possible. Again, this is just based off the very limited understanding I have on this, so I'm hesitant to comment more beyond this.
 
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The main point in me using Sony and video games as an example was to say that I personally do not expect anything extra for purchasing something I want and will enjoy. Plus, for almost all of their "free" stuff you need an active PS Plus membership to actually play them. Even the free to play multiplayer games require a membership since you need it to play online, and then there's in-game purchases that are almost essential to get the full effect of the game. So, that's a bit of a moot point. I think that perhaps the wording on their "rewards points" stuff can be misleading, but it's not necessarily untrue. You may get priority support, which is to say you also may not. You do get special features, even if the majority of people find those features to be useless. And you do have models thanking their tippers. Also, in the end you can't really compare MFC to a casino or any other type of company when it comes to rewards programs, because although you are purchasing tokens, you are using them to tip, because even when you are purchasing content on token sites, it's still considered tipping the model. At casinos, money that you tip your dealers or cocktail servers with doesn't go to your rewards points. And I just want to mention again that no other site cam site/content site/porn site offers rewards programs.

Like I said before, wanting a site to run smoothly is totally understandable. I don't think a single person would disagree with that. There's just better ways to go about trying to get that to happen. In the case of Kickaz, I personally do not know her. All I know of her is from the entitled, self righteous, egotistical bullshit she has posted online. She posted one of the emails she sent to support where she literally says "I don't need to explain why this is hurting YOUR and my business because it's 2020". Call me crazy, but that's incredibly rude. One can only imagine the other things she has said that she hasn't made public. Also, let's point out that this person made $10,000 in five days on a site and is still bitching about it and encouraging other models who probably don't make that amount of money in months to boycott the site. Clearly the site can't be THAT terrible if she was able to make that much money in such a short amount of time. If a site made me a millionaire I'd be grateful, and if I had issues I wouldn't be an asshole over it. From what I've seen, I have zero sympathy. I just hope that anyone else she tried encouraging doesn't get in trouble as well.

And about them holding the money, I think it's wrong. But, it is not illegal. By signing up and becoming a model for MFC you are agreeing to their terms of service. In which it states that if your account is banned you will lose all the tokens, even if your account is re-instated you still won't get them back. Again, I don't think that's right, but models have to essentially agree to it to be allowed to stream. I doubt a case like that would ever even make it to court, especially considering MFC is a multi-million dollar company and would have top notch lawyers. And being an independent contractor for a cam site and being an independent IT person is two totally different things, so obviously if there even was a court case it would play out differently. It sucks, but it is what it is.
 
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I just hope that the anyone else she tried encouraging doesn't get in trouble as well.
So much this, I hope that any of the models who try to do some solidarity stunt don't hurt themselves in the long run.

And about them holding the money, I think it's wrong.
I have a feeling they're going to send her the money, so long as her bank issues don't get in the way like they seem to have in the past. But I imagine she will either not mention it (so people continue to wonder/think MFC stole her money) or only acknowledge it with an extremely snarky comment when she gets the paycheck.
 
Aside from the Kickaz stuff, which is very shocking, sites offering rewards would be too confusing.

It would interfere with the individual model's rewards plan. I reward members I like, or who spend a high amount regularly, on an individual basis with content. If the sites started doing it on top of that, it would be over the top. I guess, on the rewards issue, I am saying that I want the freedom to set rewards, and decide who I encourage to come back, and how. If for example, streamate offered separate rewards, I feel like it would negate my motivation to reward those, who I want to reward. In a way this interferes with my ability to make the individual contacts I want, and to encourage those specific contacts to return to me.

However, they should perhaps word it a little better/ reword. It's never good for members or customers to feel mislead or tricked.

ETA; Anyone with any common sense would know it's a bad idea to trash their employer publically. And to go so far as to encourage a strike, over the reasons stated, is very shocking to me. I feel like how could she not realize that this would lead directly to account closure. Like, is that what she wanted? I don't get that thinking, or lack thereof, at all. Maybe it's a good thing, so she can move forward in life, if she is that unhappy w a site she is making tons of money on (?!?). I have not followed her, but this whole thing has grabbed my attention, and strikes me as beyond bizarre.
 
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I understood your point of using Sony, or other companies as an example. Similarly, I'm not purchasing a product expecting a reward or anything simply for the use. My point was that while I don't use MFC expecting any kind of bonus points, etc. Yet, they do imply they are, or rather may be, there. I completely understand both sides of may or may not. But, it's implied that it's there. My biggest issue here is if they have zero intentions of providing rewards based on purchase history, simply remove it. Bad business model, as it's misleading and shady business practices. If the top tier of rewards is the 10K lounge, then it makes zero sense to track anything beyond that in rewards points, and they could go to a tiered membership level such as free, basic, intermediate and premium and leave the rewards points off.
Camsites are an extremely complex environment given that there are three pillars to the business model (camsite, model and member). But, you can indeed compare t to casinos or other businesses. At a casino, you can tip a dealer in chips or cash. If I purchase chips that tracks my rewards, it does in fact relate. If I tip cash, then no it doesn't. Where MFC, CB and other token (non-cash) based sites differ is that you absolutely must buy their currency in order to purchase any content or tips to the model. This is the case even with MFCShare, whereas MV or C4S I am purchasing directly with money/CC and not a fake currency.
I'm not defending some of the shady shit she's done in the past, such as her infamous cancer claim a few years ago. Nor am I condoning some of how she's tweeted about issues I'm simply looking at what's happening now in terms of what's going on. I have seen some of her tweets and how they can be condescending. But, to solely place her at blame is wrong. If her claims of no response to support emails are true, then MFC should also be held equally at fault.

As to the withholding pay, it isn't a matter of being cammodel or subcontrctor for IT or construction. There are laws protecting 1099 workers from other businesses pulling this shit. Otherwise you'd see this happening a lot more in the vanilla sector. In a way, I'd like to see this play out in a legal manner because it could set a precedence in SW business contracts. My guess is that if it did, it wouldn't be worth the lawyer's time to even review documents. The amount of money MFC makes off their business model makes $10K look like $10.
 
I can only speak for myself, but connection issues on MFC are almost always due to a problem on my end, like my cheap router malfunctioning. Streamate will disconnect me while everything's fine, but if I disconnect from MFC, that's not the only site I have trouble loading.

KKickaz really likes to bite the hand that feeds her. Guess this was one bite too many.
 
IIt would interfere with the individual model's rewards plan. I reward members I like, or who spend a high amount regularly, on an individual basis with content. If the sites started doing it on top of that, it would be over the top. I guess, on the rewards issue, I am saying that I want the freedom to set rewards, and decide who I encourage to come back, and how. If for example, streamate offered separate rewards, I feel like it would negate my motivation to reward those, who I want to reward. In a way this interferes with my ability to make the individual contacts I want, and to encourage those specific contacts to return to me.

However, they should perhaps word it a little better/ reword. It's never good for members or customers to feel mislead or tricked.

I'm not in support of rewards points. But, it is extremely shady for a company to imply it's there but not do anything with it. Personally, I'd prefer they just remove it. Out of site, out of mind.

Regarding the rewards points from a camsite, look at it from a member's perspective. A member has a layered purchase they need to make. On MFC, CB and other token based sites, in order to play you have to purchase a fake currency with no cash value after purchase. Therefore, I have to first buy from the camsite at whatever rate they charge for various token packages. Larger packages generally get a slightly better rate. But, models get paid the same rate per token, regardless of the purchase made by the member. So, there's an incentive for the member to purchase in larger quantities which in turn means they're most likely going to spend more. This is entirely separate from rewards points.

If you look at the rewards points from a gas station or other business model, once you reach a certain point, you get a certain amount off on the purchase of fuel or items in store. There is no incentive at a gas station where if I buy 50 gallons of fuel, I'm going to get my entire purchase for 1/2% off like there is in buying large amounts of tokens. Rewards points are completely separate from initial purchase incentives.

If a model wants to increase her sales, she can provide incentives or sales on certain things and reward members who tip the most or are repeat customers. There should be no impact to the model since the base pay is the same ($0.05/token) if the camsite were to provide some kind of rewards plan to a member.



ETA; Anyone with any common sense would know it's a bad idea to trash their employer publically. And to go so far as to encourage a strike, over the reasons stated, is very shocking to me. I feel like how could she not realize that this would lead directly to account closure. Like, is that what she wanted? I don't get that thinking, or lack thereof, at all. Maybe it's a good thing, so she can move forward in life, if she is that unhappy w a site she is making tons of money on (?!?). I have not followed her, but this whole thing has grabbed my attention, and strikes me as beyond bizarre.

I'm not disagreeing that it's bad business to trashtalk a business partner. But, if you have a business partner who's failing to respond to emails or forms of communication regarding ability to generate revenue, yet you are dependent upon them what is someone supposed to do? I agree with you and @Marceline that I'd be grateful for the money made. But, if your business partner is at fault for lost potential of more revenue, I'd be a little upset too (again, I'd keep it respectful and attempt to resolve it privately before making it public).


Hopefully this all makes sense. Normally, I am very much in support of models. But, in this case with Kickaz, I see both her and MFC to blame. Her for the fact of some of her tweets. MFC for the fact that they apparently failed to respond to her support requests over many months. That being said, it's only based off of what I have seen. The only people who really know what's going on is Kickaz and those in the know at MFC. So, this is all conjecture.
 
I'm not in support of rewards points. But, it is extremely shady for a company to imply it's there but not do anything with it. Personally, I'd prefer they just remove it. Out of site, out of mind.

Regarding the rewards points from a camsite, look at it from a member's perspective. A member has a layered purchase they need to make. On MFC, CB and other token based sites, in order to play you have to purchase a fake currency with no cash value after purchase. Therefore, I have to first buy from the camsite at whatever rate they charge for various token packages. Larger packages generally get a slightly better rate. But, models get paid the same rate per token, regardless of the purchase made by the member. So, there's an incentive for the member to purchase in larger quantities which in turn means they're most likely going to spend more. This is entirely separate from rewards points.

If you look at the rewards points from a gas station or other business model, once you reach a certain point, you get a certain amount off on the purchase of fuel or items in store. There is no incentive at a gas station where if I buy 50 gallons of fuel, I'm going to get my entire purchase for 1/2% off like there is in buying large amounts of tokens. Rewards points are completely separate from initial purchase incentives.

If a model wants to increase her sales, she can provide incentives or sales on certain things and reward members who tip the most or are repeat customers. There should be no impact to the model since the base pay is the same ($0.05/token) if the camsite were to provide some kind of rewards plan to a member.





I'm not disagreeing that it's bad business to trashtalk a business partner. But, if you have a business partner who's failing to respond to emails or forms of communication regarding ability to generate revenue, yet you are dependent upon them what is someone supposed to do? I agree with you and @Marceline that I'd be grateful for the money made. But, if your business partner is at fault for lost potential of more revenue, I'd be a little upset too (again, I'd keep it respectful and attempt to resolve it privately before making it public).


Hopefully this all makes sense. Normally, I am very much in support of models. But, in this case with Kickaz, I see both her and MFC to blame. Her for the fact of some of her tweets. MFC for the fact that they apparently failed to respond to her support requests over many months. That being said, it's only based off of what I have seen. The only people who really know what's going on is Kickaz and those in the know at MFC. So, this is all conjecture.
Yeah, I guess I just don't understand what you mean by comparing it to all these other businesses, that don't involve independent contractors. That are in completely different industries. But, I honestly, don't want to get that deeply into it. I have way too much else to do. I still don't get your point, or agree with it. I can tell you didn't really get the gist of what I was trying to say either, by your response. But that's fine. No need to elaborate further. It's all good, not that big of a deal or anything. Not something I plan on thinking about any further. Hope you have a good day tho. Peace. I'm out.
 
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Kickaz faked her MFC ban
No proof one way or the other, but I'll remind everyone that Stephanie Joy got banned for going on a Twitter rampage against MFC/Leo last year. It isn't the first time they've taken this measure.
 
I do think so
If you think the admins are doing nothing, you're part of the problem in the camming community.

If I read this wrong and you're saying you think people think that... apologies. But they're, as I said, a problem in the community.
 
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No proof one way or the other, but I'll remind everyone that Stephanie Joy got banned for going on a Twitter rampage against MFC/Leo last year. It isn't the first time they've taken this measure.
I don't remember her. But, I do recall hearing of some top models being banned for different reasons. On the previous bannings, what was done in terms of accounts? Do you know they make them not visible/removed completely or accounts there but not able to log in or business? I'm not wanting to go look at banned accounts. More from a purchased content access issue.
 
I don't remember her. But, I do recall hearing of some top models being banned for different reasons. On the previous bannings, what was done in terms of accounts? Do you know they make them not visible/removed completely or accounts there but not able to log in or business? I'm not wanting to go look at banned accounts. More from a purchased content access issue.
I'm not sure, sorry.

I do agree it's a bit shitty to the customers that purchased content on Share pages since the ban covers both MFC and Share.
 
I'm not sure, sorry.

I do agree it's a bit shitty to the customers that purchased content on Share pages since the ban covers both MFC and Share.

No worries, appreciate the response.

I think I'm going to drop MFC a line to inquire on how they're going to handle content of banned models. I'm not expecting anything other than those of us with content are SoL. Partly due to misgivings between the parties. But, also because I can see leaving the content up and available for viewing as a point of contention or possible legal action if a creator could make a case regarding revenue.
 
I understand the frustration of having issues when you're trying to work, I have been there. I have been the person on twitter about it once (and reporting bugs to support respectfully). I'm no Top model by any means. However, I will say that I never felt admins weren't doing anything, just that it was taking a long time.
When I made my twitter post there was a week where things weren't working well for almost every member that came into my room, and they were telling me it was happening across the site, and I wasn't having issues on other sites. I believe this was pre-sidekick.

Anyway, my point is that I don't think most people that do complain are assuming nothing is being done, i think its about the time its taken to stabilize things. Obviously, I am not talking about the ones that do say they're not doing anything. I understand these things can take time, of course. In the heat of it, it can be a frustrating fact. But not a fault of mfc.

I also understand that it can be frustrating, especially if you have a smaller room, where the entire chat log is full of troubleshooting and issue mentions. it throws the rooms mood down and then you(I) start to get anxious about how things are going when you've done what you can about the issue on your side, other steaming sites don't give you the same issues, and then you are told its a personal problem. When the problem isn't something you can solve, and you've verified as much, it can feel a little helpless, especially when your income is tied into it. I'm not saying its right to go on twitter rants, but I do think its pretty human to complain if something isnt working that well and it doesn't mean they're saying the site isnt trying to fix their problems.

Sorry for the rant.

I haven't had more than one member complain per stream in the past 2ish months (I have moved to mostly full time clips though). I also noticed it has been mobile members that do the complaining as well.

Anyway,This is completely separate from the Kickaz stuff. She was stirring the pot and I think it makes sense they would ban her when she was essentially trying to have a day where the site made next to no profit. What else could you expect from that? She is not the only "top" model, and I don't think it would have much of an impact on the sites profits. There are just so so so many models on the site.
 
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No worries, appreciate the response.

I think I'm going to drop MFC a line to inquire on how they're going to handle content of banned models. I'm not expecting anything other than those of us with content are SoL. Partly due to misgivings between the parties. But, also because I can see leaving the content up and available for viewing as a point of contention or possible legal action if a creator could make a case regarding revenue.
Yeah I imagine leaving it up publicly would be an issue if a model cannot access her page to edit or moderate anything.

But it's also a wonder how to handle the customer's viewpoint of losing something they paid for. Though if the model quit on her own, same thing would happen.

Moral of the story is to always download! (when available).
 
She was stirring the pot and I think it makes sense they would ban her when she was essentially trying to have a day where the site made next to no profit.
I don't believe for a moment it was about the profit, I strongly feel it was that what she was rallying for and suggesting to other models could seriously have a negative impact on their own success.
 
Moral of the story is to always download! (when available).

I almost always do. But, between switching computers and a hardware issue with a bad external HDD (believe it or not, one of my backup devices) I lost a good chunk of non-critical data and haven't been able to go out and redownload everything I lost. I backup critical data to three different locations, while non-critical to one due to space constraints.
 
In terms of "member reward points" I hear this a lot. What I never quite get my head around is that MFC is a site where models are basically all offering amazing deals if you spend more. Video bundle deals, special offers, special "top member" statuses where you get "extras", extra communication in PM, extra attention, and yet members are still whining that the actual website isn't rolling the red carpet out? Fact is you do get discounted tokens when you buy them in bulk. Having higher reward points almost certainly does get you more respect from models. Some members clearly enjoy the lounges enough that they're generally full. MFC is already doing things for members. And members who spend money are already getting things from models. Reward points in stores work because they price up. The rewards that high spenders get, or discounts for students, are already incorporated into the price. MFC as a site cannot do this, they pay their models a set amount per token and the models are the ones who control their prices for content and in room activities other than privates and groups. That leaves it up to the models to create "rewards" for spending, because we're the ones who are pricing and providing. And frankly, MFC over the past 5 years at least is a place where members expect their tips to get them everything, it must be for flashes, content, clubs AND going towards an in room countdown. Maybe back in the day when girls didn't need content or extras, and people would commonly tip just because there's a countdown. I'm skeptical that if you're a high spending member on MFC in this day and age that you're not getting a lot already from the models you tip.

As for lags/bugs etc on MFC, while I believe lately they have had more issues than normal due to changes in software etc, having a few lags and glitches is a problem which MFC has always faced. However, 95% of the time so long as members and models have decent internet and computers the site runs smoothly. Most of the time I've had members complain it's due to their own internet problems. If you're a techy and have superfast internet as well as a powerful computer with a fast processor and you're still having problems then they're more likely to be either the model, MFC or server issues, but most of the time people are running off basic internet and their 5+ year old laptop with next to no idea of how to troubleshoot (having tried to troubleshoot with people it's amazing how computer illiterate most people are). People also don't seem to like admitting or accepting that there might be a problem in their side, model or member.
I do think those working for MFC do work hard to solve issues if they are properly reported. I think people need to be a bit more patient, they're not loaded into the site as though it's part of the matrix, they've got to find the problem and fix it. Most of the time these issues get solved quickly. However obviously a lot of people are complaining and wanting bugs to be fixed, sometimes the process of fixing bugs can create more for a period of time. I think if you enjoy the site and as a model are still earning money then people should be patient and politely report bugs.
 
I'm not in support of rewards points. But, it is extremely shady for a company to imply it's there but not do anything with it.
Are you the person who got Sephora to finally start doing something with theirs? :haha: They had points for years and people would complain about how pointless they were because you couldn't do anything with them, and a couple years ago they started offering freebies for certain amounts.
 
I'm sorry to hear about Kickaz, I have lots of respects to her and hope she can have her claims resolved peacefully without unnecessary strains.
As for the alleged downfall of any platform, I've heard lots of opinions, questions and grievances from models, affiliates and even webcam site industry colleagues since I moved to vanilla digital campaigns in 2019. What I can safely say without being an expert even, is that the challenge of marketing camsites in 2020 is not unique to MFC alone. There's a huge gap between the options I got exposed to in other verticals, and the consistency we have with 2 main options- either affiliate traffic or organic SEO. Digital marketing however has more than traffic to it, and it's high time we add more tools to our vertical too.

For example when I market a written blog on Outbrain, I can have it appearing as a native article in various places at the same time, and check the performance, not to mention that I get to keep the pixel for later remarketing. I can also do it with videos across many websites. It's not just native advertising, it's programmatic advertising. When I market on Google, I can use remarketing techniques and reminders. On Facebook (that also includes IG) and Google I can segment and track audiences, make A/B tests, use the data to acquire new customers in various scalable ways.
In my favorite industry however, no funds or thoughts were seriously invested in trying to even match a portion of how digital marketing is like in vanilla. We got used to saving on actual data based marketing, and throw some leftovers to affiliates and do PR. The reason I never made it in our industry is not because I couldn't be hired as a remote mediocre support rep (okay that was a bummer too), it's because of my Chutzpah and drive to ask questions.
No one is experiencing a downfall, but we are definitely in a need to revamp our marketing and expand it to more realms, features, data and sources. I'm saying it from a loving and caring point of view, not just criticism. I still owe my first digital literacy to the adult industry and especially to the models community, which is why I express my opinion, even if it's not gonna be popular.
 
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