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This is partially her website, no?

The latest update is a scene with Deen in it, most likely just an oversight but... probably not the best idea to profit off of and promote Deen's work after one of the co-owners accuses him of rape. :/

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Especially after reading the description of the scene. O_O
 
This is partially her website, no?

The latest update is a scene with Deen in it, most likely just an oversight but... probably not the best idea to profit off of and promote Deen's work after one of the co-owners accuses him of rape. :/

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Especially after reading the description of the scene. O_O
It does not say when it was posted
 
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People are obviously taking sides.
Why The Frisky Will No Longer Be Publishing James Deen’s Sex Advice Column

I am sorry this happened since I thought both were good porn actors. The one thing that bothers me is Stoya announcing that she is going to be unavailable for any comments until Dec 17. I think it wrong to drop this kind of news and then go dark for 3 weeks.
She still needs time to process everything. She may very well have PTSD from being raped.
 
People are obviously taking sides.
Why The Frisky Will No Longer Be Publishing James Deen’s Sex Advice Column

I am sorry this happened since I thought both were good porn actors. The one thing that bothers me is Stoya announcing that she is going to be unavailable for any comments until Dec 17. I think it wrong to drop this kind of news and then go dark for 3 weeks.

Honestly, she is the only person that gets to decide if/when she wants to talk about it. Clearly it got to the point where she couldn't keep it in any longer and had to go public with it. She could have "dropped that news" and then never spoken about it again. Having been someone who went public with a sexual assault before, I know that sometimes the last thing one wants to do is talk about it over and over and over again. She put it out there (from what it seems to me. I have never spoken to Stoya so I do not know what her intentions were/are, I can only go off my own intentions when I went public with a sexual assault) so that people would know what is up. She is calling out the person who sexually assaulted her so that people know. The more people that know, then the more people that will know about this and can make dcisions for themselves whether to associate or work with James in the future.
 
This made me super aware that .. people in industries that are public like this can destroy each other with a word... on social media.

Example: Two well known and well respected porn stars are dating. They break up. She wants him to give her car back, and he delivers it to her completely trashed - keyed along the sides etc with the word "stupid whore".
She posts a picture to social media, of the car with the caption "I broke up with John Doe after he forced me to have sex with him, and threatened my life. Now he's trying to punish me for it, and I'm not gonna take it anymore or put any other woman in my position"

... John Doe is fucked. Absolutely and totally fucked.


On the other hand, of course... its so important to believe people when they come forward about being raped or abused. It's just so vital that we don't make them feel like they are on trial for being raped.

So how do you ensure that someone who has done nothing wrong, does not get completely *fucked over* by a girl with a vendetta and a mission to ruin his public reputation. And at the same time believe, support and stand with survivors disclosing their rape.

Is there a good solution to this? Cos i dont see one. Either way james deen is fucked... (and I'm so inclined to agree - i never saw the appeal. He always seemed like a douche)



Funnily enough, every single time I've mentioned when a male porn star took the opportunity of taking a picture with me (we'd never met) to put his nasty-ass finger INTO my panties and into my vagina... when I bring that up i'm told "well thats his MO. He's a creep. Everyone knows that".... like that makes it ok. I was so fucking new and @_@ at the time, I wish i could turn back time and punch him in the face.
 
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People are obviously taking sides.
Why The Frisky Will No Longer Be Publishing James Deen’s Sex Advice Column

I am sorry this happened since I thought both were good porn actors. The one thing that bothers me is Stoya announcing that she is going to be unavailable for any comments until Dec 17. I think it wrong to drop this kind of news and then go dark for 3 weeks.

She announced that before announcing this news. She had already gone dark. Besides that she is in no way obligated to stick around and read the backlash or reply to commentators or journalists or anything else. Why in the hell would she be? There's no rule of after you announce your rape as a famous person by another famous person that you have to be around to keep talking about it to satisfy other people. She should focus on herself and what she needs, not what other people feel she should be doing right now or answering their billion and one probing questions.
 
Agree with @Teagan - the weird entitlement that the general public has creeps me out. There was a case this summer/fall with a hockey player, Patrick Kane, getting accused of rape. Everyone was playing armchair lawyer, feeling so entitled to know the details about DNA analysis and whatever - it's not our business. Stoya says she was raped. Believe it, or don't, based on the info you have, but we aren't the legal system and she doesn't owe us anything.

I choose to believe Stoya, many choose to believe James Deen and that's their prerogative.

Also just wanted to say I strongly agree with @missrosexox & @JickyJuly. People call for objective proof while simultaneously acknowledging that the likelihood of ever getting that proof is very, very small. It creates a weird double standard of "you have to report it for me to take it seriously, even though you know it won't go anywhere". It's hard to be the person who takes that individual pain on themselves for the greater good, especially if you know as a sex worker or for another reason that you will likely not be taken seriously. I can absolutely understand why many victims say "fuck it" and focus on healing rather than the legal system.
 
Okay, I never get involved with threads like this because people just let their emotions and personal experiences take complete control and blind them from seeing the entire picture - and understandably so. It takes a long time and a lot of self-discipline to sit back and look at things for what they really are, rather than react with a knee-jerk emotional outburst.

To be fair, I scanned this thread a bit until it derailed for about a page, so I may have missed a bit and I'm sorry if I'm repeating anything, but the closest I saw to what is really going on is in @Miss_Lollipop 's post above.

We will never know what happened between the two actual individuals unless there is a court case, even then we may never know. It's really none of our business. It's for the courts to decide and if the allegations are true, I hope there is as much support for the victim as possible. If the allegations are not true, I hope there is as much support for the victim as possible. That's my personal stance. None of us are cops (at least involved in this non-reported case), none of us are on the jury and it's really none of our business... so why are we talking about it? Stoya made it our business.

Unfortunately, very few people here are realizing that these two performers are professional entertainers posting on their business Twitter accounts - ironic because most of the people responding are performers as well, myself included. What happens off-screen is very different than what happens on-screen and just because we have the porthole of Twitter to give the illusion of "peering into their 'real' identity" doesn't mean that it is reality. Entertainers are personas, every move is calculated, every Tweet has purpose. Even Deen's crude joke tweets - which he does quite often, if you follow him - have a purpose. All it takes is one public statement taken out of context or one public accusation and that individual's associated career can be destroyed - regardless of gender, subject of accusation, etc.

When it comes down to it - this is not a matter of whether sexual assault is wrong, whether there's a predator on the loose, whether we're all in danger, whether Stoya or others were victims, etc. - this is a PR move. Why did she say what she said publicly? Only she knows. None of us do and there's a strong possibility none of us will ever know. What we do know... is that their names are flooding adult media channels right now, this forum included. There's a saying in the entertainment industry, usually accounted to P.T. Barnum (of Barnum & Bailey Circus) and Oscar Wilde that is loosely paraphrased to "any publicity is good publicity".


Another thing I wanted to comment on, which I saw scattered around here and other media channels, is the fact that Deen has apparently not said anything in response. There is literally nothing he can say to absolve his accusations, nor does he have any obligation to feed into the media frenzy that is being imposed on him (assuming he is not in on it). His Twitter feed is continuing to do exactly what it is intended to do - publicize his work and work persona. If people want to demonize him or Stoya, that's entirely their personal choice, but seriously... all of this stuff is like watching kids play with action figures.


My only comments regarding sexual assault of any kind (since this thread is not titled "general thread on sexual assault" or anything like that) are this - We, as adult entertainers, have a very unique and important opportunity to educate our visitors and regulars on safe sexual practices. Besides actions in our personal lives, that is the only preventative, productive action we can take - I highly encourage that if we feel strongly about the subject, we do so.
 
Also just wanted to say I strongly agree with @missrosexox & @JickyJuly. People call for objective proof while simultaneously acknowledging that the likelihood of ever getting that proof is very, very small. It creates a weird double standard of "you have to report it for me to take it seriously, even though you know it won't go anywhere". It's hard to be the person who takes that individual pain on themselves for the greater good, especially if you know as a sex worker or for another reason that you will likely not be taken seriously. I can absolutely understand why many victims say "fuck it" and focus on healing rather than the legal system.

I don't recall anyone saying they'll believe a victim when they proof in court. No one even said that the court can easily and justly handle rape cases.
Calling for objectivity is more to not allow personal bias hurt others on any side of something.
What did seemed to be stressed multiple times and you're saying again here is how everyone's entitled to their opinions, but we can't let public opinion replace judge and jury.

I know that's what I was trying to say in different ways once or twice. Sorry if this is redundant.
 
Wow. What a fucking horrible story.
Yeah one of the things that struck me was how quickly Joanna Angel (also a previous ex of Deens) tweeted her support to Stoya.
I wonder how much more of this shit will come out.
It fucking angers me so much. This is a man who had sex, power, money and respect of not just the sex working community but also the outside world.

I know that this stuff is about power - but just like...WHY. Why couldn't he just be a decent person?

What angers me as well now is that prohibitionists are going to use this as an excuse as to how all rough BDSM porn (or porn in general) leads to rape etc etc etc.
 
God I've been here on such a smaller almost incomparable scale.
I was assaulted and my friends didn't believe me. Literally called me a liar. It hurt waaaaay worse than the assault, itself. I couldn't imagine being raped and having thousands of people not believe me and take the side of my rapist. I will say I am completely biased but I will almost always believe a woman's rape allegation over a man denying it. And now more women are coming out, just like Cosby, and it shows me I was right in my initial feelings that this was probably very true.
How many women have booked jobs from making rape allegations? If anything, they ruin their own life and career by coming out. They lose far more than they gain. Not saying fake rape allegations don't happen, but the number of rapists that don't see justice and the number of women who are accused of lying are FAR greater.
 
I think I just blocked about 50% of Twitch's male population. I was being twitter attacked over this whole thing, it was ridiculous.
I agree with @PlayboyMegan, I agree with the victim of the assault (in most cases, the woman). Someone I blocked tried posting an article that said more men get raped in prison than women, as if it's relevant at all to this, it's not. Yeah, more men get raped in prison, I believe that, but they are also getting raped by men. More men rape than women, period. I'm not saying men don't get raped by women, but it's a pretty small percentage (I would even go so far as to say you need a magnifying glass to see it).

I think most people are not getting the fact that there probably won't be a court case (unless Stoya decides to do that, then I will be incorrect here) and that even if there is, the chances of anyone being convicted are slim to none. The fact that Stoya was in a relationship with him will automatically make it a "he said, she said" kind of case since there's no evidence (and even if there WAS a rape kit, there's about 400k of them still sitting on a shelf untested, unfortunately in our current society, the rape kit of a sex worker is probably not on their high priority list).

Honestly, believing someone when they come forward and say they were raped is super important. Here's part of an article I had posted on Twitter:
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It's pretty relevant, even though it's mostly using an incident from a campus sexual assault. It makes a lot of good points.

I got chastised from some internet trolls for not citing sources and linking them on twitter, they can go google search. They won't believe any source you give them anyway, but RAINN (whose statistics are funded by the FBI and DOJ) has some really good information: https://rainn.org/statistics

In America, every 107 seconds someone is raped. There are approx. 293,000 victims of sexual assault every year.
Out of every 100 sexual assaults, only 2 rapists will spend even a day in prison (and for who knows how long). People are all "innocent before proven guilty" and "we need evidence" but the truth is, our justice system does not automatically dish out justice. THREE out of 100 assaults are referred to prosecutors, maybe all 3 go to trial. I don't trust our legal system, #notsorry. The system where cops shoot first and ask questions later, innocent people are thrown in jail, and people who have a gram of pot will get a longer prison sentence than a rapist. I just don't trust our legal system. Honestly, publicly calling out sexual offenders is more effective to me, because then people will know.
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Sure, it could have not happened altogether, BUT the % of false allegations is REALLY LOW.

I'm just waking up, sorry if this is kind of jumbled.
 
Deen has always come across to me as being a douche nozzle, I can't put my finger on exactly why but I've always gotten that vibe about him. Would it surprise me if the allegations against him were proven to be true? Not in the least; rape happens. It's vile and it's sick and as been already mentioned there is a rape culture. But there's also a flip side. As much as I'd like to see an arrogant ass like James Deen taken down a peg or two or twelve, I can't help but be reminded of the Duke Lacrosse case. I know, two totally different things; again I know that, I got it. But in that case three different students were tried, found guilty, and virtually hung by politically correct society. A coach was forced to resign and every member of that program suffered because of allegations against those three players; allegations that ultimately were proven to be patently false.

Don't get me wrong, I in no way am giving a pass to James Deen or any other person accused of rape. But let's allow the process to play out before we castrate Deen. Then, after he's found guilty, let Stoya personally de-cod the son of a bitch.
 
Deen has always come across to me as being a douche nozzle, I can't put my finger on exactly why but I've always gotten that vibe about him. Would it surprise me if the allegations against him were proven to be true? Not in the least; rape happens. It's vile and it's sick and as been already mentioned there is a rape culture. But there's also a flip side. As much as I'd like to see an arrogant ass like James Deen taken down a peg or two or twelve, I can't help but be reminded of the Duke Lacrosse case. I know, two totally different things; again I know that, I got it. But in that case three different students were tried, found guilty, and virtually hung by politically correct society. A coach was forced to resign and every member of that program suffered because of allegations against those three players; allegations that ultimately were proven to be patently false.

Don't get me wrong, I in no way am giving a pass to James Deen or any other person accused of rape. But let's allow the process to play out before we castrate Deen. Then, after he's found guilty, let Stoya personally de-cod the son of a bitch.

Again though what defines his guilt? What's enough proof in the court of public opinion to definitively call this man a rapist for sure? One girl isnt enough? 2? The other reports of girls in the past? How many women have to publicly post it happened to them too to convince someone? How many is enough? 40+? At what point is a pattern established that's enough proof of guilt to the public?

Frankly the whole innocent until proven guilty in court line of thinking needs to go out the window when talking about rape. Why? Cause as the numbers show even if a girl is beaten to within inches of death a man can just say "she wanted it" and he can easily go free. It is near unprovable in every instance. The second a girl cites rape people immediately go to "well look at what she does for work," "look at how she dresses," "she's must just be a slut," "well she did flirt with him," "she went home with him so she was asking for it," "they're married so it cant be rape," all the way to "she was a virgin so obviously sexually frustrated and is now just regretting it." So we can just throw out the guilty in court part when there's excuses for rapists floating around everyday AND used in court against victims. Sadly sometimes the only sense of justice women can get when it comes to rape IS public opinion. So it should be used absolutely and taken seriously. Do cases like Duke happen? Yes. No one denies some women lie about rape. But for every Duke case there are Cosby cases up the butt throughout history. There are rape kits rotting on shelves. There are unreported cases due to backlash. There are cops who dont do their job. And so on. So public opinion when it comes to rape absolutely can and does and should replace judge and jury when our justice system fails over 90% of the time when it comes to this. It's all we have and the women deserve at least that.
 
No Teagan it should not. There should never be a time when the court of public opinion is the sole judge, jury, and executioner for a case. Again, I go back to the Duke Lacrosse case. A crooked D.A., 88 different progressive Duke University professors, a charged media bent on taking down three students whose only crime were being born of privilege, and the local NAACP and SCLC chapters drooling for blood was not then, nor should it be now, enough justification for mob-mentality justice. Again, if enough women come forward and it's proven Deen (of whom I personally believe is an asshole) is guilty then yes, he should be punished. But just because you or I read that he supposedly raped a woman is not reason enough to send him to prison.

Incidentally, if this were a situation where a female was accused of raping a male (and that does happen) I would still feel the same way. The court of public opinion, whether we agree with it's verdict or not, is NOT blind and to find the accused as guilty without a proper trial is as wrong in this country as letting a rapist walk free in another country that supports a culture of rape.

Mob mentality can not rule. We cannot simply find a person guilty because we loathe that person and/or the crime that person is accused of. We are better than that.
 
I did not say it should be the sole justice. I said a lot of times it's all the women can even get, if that. That it can be the only repercussion rapists see in the mass majority of cases at best. And again since these cases are largely unprovable cause they are he said she said then how do you prove guilt? You mostly can't. Unless you have it filmed they go free even if they get to court. And fuck even when filmed the guy claims "she asked for it that way" and nothing happens. So you have to look at other things that courts don't always do. Like in the case of Deen there being a pattern with him. It's not just one girl. This goes for whether it's a man or female rapist and I didnt think that needed to be said but apparently I have to. I figured it was a "no shit men get raped too" understanding around here. So there you go.

And i'll state again no one has said that public judging should lead to jail time. That's not been said once by anyone so not sure why people keep acting like it has or like people are talking about public opinion to replace the court system. You can keep bringing up one case of lying about rape but that's not an excuse really when looking at the numbers of free roaming rapists who have never even been investigated. Yes every victim deserves to see their attacker in court and get justice and it should happen every time HOWEVER when it comes to rape where that nearly never happens we have to look elsewhere for justice. Victims deserve something. It'd be nice for that to change but it's where we stand as of today in our society and in regards to rape. It's wonderful to look at it with warm fuzzies saying "innocent until proven guilty in court" but as facts dont lie most rapists will never even see the inside of a courtroom for those crimes and that can not go ignored.

There is also a huge difference between mob mentality and public opinion. Our justice system does the best it can but it's run by humans and we are faulty and corruptible. In rape cases we are woefully lacking in getting results especially. Our justice system drops the ball a lot and that's just how it is right now. OJ Simpson walked free despite the fact that we know he killed 2 people. He's in jail but not for those charges at all. Our justice system failed and failed those victims. From the cops to the lawyers. He will never pay for those murders as far as the court system goes so does that mean he is innocent? Fuck no. But all we can do now is find him guilty by public opinion and make him pay that way. Same deal with Cosby. Is he innocent cause he is not in jail? NO. But again all we can do is find him guilty ourselves given the facts. When our justice system fails victims dont have to be failed completely in getting some semblance of actual justice. That's where public opinion comes in handy. It's not a replacement for courts but it is something we can do when that court fucks up or does nothing for victims.
 
When it comes down to it - this is not a matter of whether sexual assault is wrong, whether there's a predator on the loose, whether we're all in danger, whether Stoya or others were victims, etc. - this is a PR move.

I'm sorry but... WWHAT?! :wtf:
 
@Zoomer Rape culture is a real thing. "rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality."

So are you saying in the US that rape is pervasive throughout the population and considered normal behaviour? This is why I ask what the heck is rape culture, because I'm pretty sure no-one I've ever met thinks rape is acceptable, allowable, or even remotely excusable. Dumb founded that people are saying this is the case - when the heck did society reach that level?

How victims are treated is obviously a massive issue, and needs to be addressed. As I've said from the start, people need to come forward about rape and report it. Conviction rates are low, and that needs to be something highlighted repeatedly. Keeping it in the shadows by giving off the pervasive and normalised response of "you'll never be believed" isn't going to cause a change.
 
I'm sorry but... WWHAT?! :wtf:

It was a Tweet.
On a business Twitter account.
Twitter is a PR tool.
When's the last time you got 9.5k retweets on anything, let alone in 2 days?

PR = public relations... It was a public statement - the reaction from the community is autonomous, yet obviously predictable and was heavily and overtly influenced. Stoya and Deen's names are on the tip of everyone in the industry's tongue right now; when you are at that level of notoriety, you are aware of how much influence a statement like that can make and you make public decisions in tandem with your publicist accordingly. You don't have to agree with me, I invite open-minded discussion with those of opposing perspectives, but I have trouble believing Stoya is that naive - I respect her social work and would expect her to be intelligent enough to not speak to 1/4 million followers in such a flippant way that could destroy someone's career, even an ex or an offender... I mean for fuck's sake, I have 500 followers and I still choose to not Tweet certain things...

We are not crime-fighters or detectives - though we love to pretend we are. We all know sexual assault of any kind to anyone is wrong. We all know there are predators out there. We all know that dangers and risks are a reality in life. We will never know if Stoya or others were actually victims, nor does it really matter to us as individuals or as an industry. (I'm guessing that's where the bug-eyes happened)


Point being - this is a thread about a PR attack specifically naming one offender so blatantly that I'm surprised he wasn't tagged in it. It is not a thread titled "Is Sexual Assault Okay?" or "Whodunnit?". There are tons and tons of resources out there for victims, I have worked with many in the past and am available and eager to help any victim of any gender in any capacity I can, but this is a thread about a "Tweet-attack". Anything more that has been layered above that has been personal emotional investment that, after 4 pages now, I think we can see doesn't really amount to much more productivity than venting and butting heads. If we want to speak out and make a difference how sexual assaults are treated (which I care about quite strongly and have devoted a lot of my life to, despite my likely perceived apathy), this is not the place or way to do it, in my opinion.
 
So are you saying in the US that rape is pervasive throughout the population and considered normal behaviour? This is why I ask what the heck is rape culture, because I'm pretty sure no-one I've ever met thinks rape is acceptable, allowable, or even remotely excusable. Dumb founded that people are saying this is the case - when the heck did society reach that level?
I could be wrong, but I think "rape culture" means that our society creates a lack of education, understanding and respect for consent that leads to unacceptable sexual situations and then dismisses them a bit too easily. Most people surely do not believe rape is just fine. But there tons of little things that we do accept as a society that build toward people being hurt.
 
So are you saying in the US that rape is pervasive throughout the population and considered normal behaviour? This is why I ask what the heck is rape culture, because I'm pretty sure no-one I've ever met thinks rape is acceptable, allowable, or even remotely excusable. Dumb founded that people are saying this is the case - when the heck did society reach that level?

How victims are treated is obviously a massive issue, and needs to be addressed. As I've said from the start, people need to come forward about rape and report it. Conviction rates are low, and that needs to be something highlighted repeatedly. Keeping it in the shadows by giving off the pervasive and normalised response of "you'll never be believed" isn't going to cause a change.

There are groups in our society where rape is considered funny, acceptable and excusable. There's a 'boys will be boys' mentality in many groups. frat parties.. etc. Rape culture isn't just about the act of rape, its about the way that we normalize, minimalize and basically don't take rape seriously enough. It's about the way we people respond to rape. The way we joke about it. The way that we treat victims.

this is over 10 years ago now, but I'm not sure all that much is changed ... when I went to the police having been assaulted by multiple men one of the things that I remember being said was that the group of people I was with was "known for this kind of thing" and I over heard "what did her mother expect, letting her associate with gang members". This was at home in NZ but considering we have a better human rights record than the US by far...and gang culture there is often similar to gang culture in the US, its probably pretty representative.

That group of people, it was considered a normal way to keep women in line and also to punish someone who did something wrong, to rape, threaten to rape or assault the woman he was partnered with. Gangs arent some set apart group that normal people never have contact with either. Especially in lower income groups.. they're a huge part of our society.

Rape culture is the fact that my family still refers to that paticular time in my life as "Lacey's Incident" or "Lacey's Episode" (because I needed time in a mental health institution to recover)

When i was even younger i snuck out to a party and was drinking. I was 13 and a 21 year old man pressured me into giving him a blow job. When I came home, I wrote an email to my best friend about it - i was really upset and blaming myself and struggling to really figure out what happened. My mother read that email. i only know this because she brought it up just a couple years ago when I was at home. When I asked her why she hadn't intervened at the time she said "you seemed to be coping ok and understand what I did wrong".

I don't think my mother was trying to hurt me, she was doing what she felt was best. She loves me very much and does not condone rape in anyway. But rape culture taught her to blame me.

There's even a judge that ruled that a woman who consented to having sex under certain conditions, those conditions were ignored and she was raped anyway.. because those conditions included money, the judge ruled it was robbery not rape.

If that isn't rape culture i dont know what is...
 
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When all you have to do is slightly change the way you word a question from, "If you could rape a women and get away with it, would you?" to "would you act on intentions to force a women to have sexual intercourse with you, if you knew you could get away with it?" And the number of men that respond YES, doubles. That is rape culture. Rape culture is the fact that those men don't even believe they are rapists.
 
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