Stolen Videos

[Trav]

As I have mentioned previously, though I don't support what Beet does as his hobby, I do believe he's allowed to be part of this community because what he does is a COMMON subject in the camming community in general. Hate him all you want, but maybe reading what he posts and understanding him could be a valuable thing to you as well. I don't think a person should be banned instantly because of what he does outside of ACF. If he came on here spewing vile hate-speech at people? Sure, different story, I would take action. But he hasn't. He merely defended himself.

My post is kind of related to the bolded section above. I haven't asked yet because I didn't want to be seen as though I'm egging him on, but I'm genuinely curious about some things.

I've been wondering for as long as I've been camming why there are cappers and maybe Beet could shed some light on that. I don't condone it at all, but I am curious. Why start capping? Why upload it everywhere and not just have it for your own personal use? What do you get out of sharing pictures and videos of models just doing their jobs?

Great questions! I am actually curious, too.

This is a pretty simple to answer question. They make money off of them. The file hosts pay for clicks and downloads. I can't see anyone investing the kind of time someone like dwight here has invested just for giggles. He's making money.

 

[AllisonWilder]

As I have mentioned previously, though I don't support what Beet does as his hobby, I do believe he's allowed to be part of this community because what he does is a COMMON subject in the camming community in general. Hate him all you want, but maybe reading what he posts and understanding him could be a valuable thing to you as well. I don't think a person should be banned instantly because of what he does outside of ACF. If he came on here spewing vile hate-speech at people? Sure, different story, I would take action. But he hasn't. He merely defended himself.

My post is kind of related to the bolded section above. I haven't asked yet because I didn't want to be seen as though I'm egging him on, but I'm genuinely curious about some things.

I've been wondering for as long as I've been camming why there are cappers and maybe Beet could shed some light on that. I don't condone it at all, but I am curious. Why start capping? Why upload it everywhere and not just have it for your own personal use? What do you get out of sharing pictures and videos of models just doing their jobs?

Great questions! I am actually curious, too.

This is a pretty simple to answer question. They make money off of them. The file hosts pay for clicks and downloads. I can't see anyone investing the kind of time someone like dwight here has invested just for giggles. He's making money.

It's possible that you're right, probable even, but there are cappers that just seem to make it their mission in life to target one or two girls and it doesn't seem to be about the money at that point because if it was, why just a select few girls? I've had the, uh, pleasure of dealing with them firsthand and since I can't ask them these questions because I can't get a response, I'm asking here.

 

[BeetFarmer]

I've been wondering for as long as I've been camming why there are cappers and maybe Beet could shed some light on that. I don't condone it at all, but I am curious. Why start capping? Why upload it everywhere and not just have it for your own personal use? What do you get out of sharing pictures and videos of models just doing their jobs?

There has always been some form of “capping” even before the rise of the live streaming sites. Prior to live video there were countless forums or groups devoted to the posting and trading of nudes from the various females on rating sites. I was active in that back scene, perhaps not to the degree this persona has taken on, but I was in a higher up echelon then just the average individual.

Think of it like trading sports cards in a sense. While I post things publicly in doing so I’ve garnered attention (good or bad) and some who appreciate it will send me something for my collection as a token of gratitude.

Although I was capping for about a year prior to the first time I posted anything. How I stumbled onto MFC, I honestly don’t recall. Why I opted to post? Nothing better to do I guess is the best answer I can give at that point in time.

As for what I get out of it…I don’t get sexual pleasure out of it (so saying otherwise makes me laugh). Likely not the answer you want to that question, but off the top of my head that is the only response I have.

I am aware that some models take more offence to this or fear it in some cases, while others just shrug it off and don’t really care one way or the other. Am I completely ambivalent to that? No, not exactly. Do I care about the models that do have concern or issue with it? To some extents, yes. I have offered help to a couple models either due to being bribed (not financially…models have given me their own videos or the like, which I have never posted and I kept my end of the agreement), or perhaps they just caught me on a day where I was willing to listen to their issue.

In some instances I still communicate with the models in a friendly manner and offer them advice or opinions when it comes to their camming.

I can’t say if every model asked me to stop posting them would get me to comply to the request, but I think the fact I have done it in the past is an indication that I have been willing to help out a model. Most cappers choose to ignore models who message them or tell them where they can go.

I have had models who message me saying a lot of heinous things and thus got absolutely nowhere by choosing to be threatening rather than being civil and perhaps working on an understanding.

 

[Trav]

As I have mentioned previously, though I don't support what Beet does as his hobby, I do believe he's allowed to be part of this community because what he does is a COMMON subject in the camming community in general. Hate him all you want, but maybe reading what he posts and understanding him could be a valuable thing to you as well. I don't think a person should be banned instantly because of what he does outside of ACF. If he came on here spewing vile hate-speech at people? Sure, different story, I would take action. But he hasn't. He merely defended himself.

My post is kind of related to the bolded section above. I haven't asked yet because I didn't want to be seen as though I'm egging him on, but I'm genuinely curious about some things.

I've been wondering for as long as I've been camming why there are cappers and maybe Beet could shed some light on that. I don't condone it at all, but I am curious. Why start capping? Why upload it everywhere and not just have it for your own personal use? What do you get out of sharing pictures and videos of models just doing their jobs?

Great questions! I am actually curious, too.

This is a pretty simple to answer question. They make money off of them. The file hosts pay for clicks and downloads. I can't see anyone investing the kind of time someone like dwight here has invested just for giggles. He's making money.

It's possible that you're right, probable even, but there are cappers that just seem to make it their mission in life to target one or two girls and it doesn't seem to be about the money at that point because if it was, why just a select few girls? I've had the, uh, pleasure of dealing with them firsthand and since I can't ask them these questions because I can't get a response, I'm asking here.

I'd imagine there's sense of power that comes along with it for some of them. Hence dwight's little jab at having the last laugh. But it's also possible that in addition to that, some cappers have more time than others, and they've chosen easy or popular models to cap. Or maybe they just dislike those particular models.

There could be myriad reasons, but I'm going to go ahead and speculate that you're not going to get a real honest answer from one of the most prolific cappers around, who is obviously making money. There's a reason the file hosts that are chosen for uploads are always hosts that pay out. Dwight uploads to(at least) RapidG*tor. They pay per 1000 downloads.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I don't recall if this question has been asked, but how/why do you target a particular model, if you do? Are you more likely to cap a model whom you enjoy, dislike, or is simply popular? Or, if it being like trading cards, one that has yet to be capped? Is it like Pokemon?

 

[BeetFarmer]

I'd imagine there's sense of power that comes along with it for some of them. Hence dwight's little jab at having the last laugh. But it's also possible that in addition to that, some cappers have more time than others, and they've chosen easy or popular models to cap. Or maybe they just dislike those particular models.

There could be myriad reasons, but I'm going to go ahead and speculate that you're not going to get a real honest answer from one of the most prolific cappers around, who is obviously making money. There's a reason the file hosts that are chosen for uploads are always hosts that pay out. Dwight uploads to(at least) RapidG*tor. They pay per 1000 downloads.

Boards have rules on which hosts can/cannot be used. And the fact that you (like so many others) are making your asinine assumptions is all the more reason for me to not bother giving any further responses to questions that have been posted.

If you want to bite the hand that feeds you, go right ahead.

 

[Trav]

I'd imagine there's sense of power that comes along with it for some of them. Hence dwight's little jab at having the last laugh. But it's also possible that in addition to that, some cappers have more time than others, and they've chosen easy or popular models to cap. Or maybe they just dislike those particular models.

There could be myriad reasons, but I'm going to go ahead and speculate that you're not going to get a real honest answer from one of the most prolific cappers around, who is obviously making money. There's a reason the file hosts that are chosen for uploads are always hosts that pay out. Dwight uploads to(at least) RapidG*tor. They pay per 1000 downloads.

Boards have rules on which hosts can/cannot be used. And the fact that you (like so many others) are making your asinine assumptions is all the more reason for me to not bother giving any further responses to questions that have been posted.

If you want to bite the hand that feeds you, go right ahead.

I'm not a model, I'm a member, so you don't feed me. And I'm not asking questions. I know why you're doing what you're doing.

 

[BeetFarmer]

I'd imagine there's sense of power that comes along with it for some of them. Hence dwight's little jab at having the last laugh. But it's also possible that in addition to that, some cappers have more time than others, and they've chosen easy or popular models to cap. Or maybe they just dislike those particular models.

There could be myriad reasons, but I'm going to go ahead and speculate that you're not going to get a real honest answer from one of the most prolific cappers around, who is obviously making money. There's a reason the file hosts that are chosen for uploads are always hosts that pay out. Dwight uploads to(at least) RapidG*tor. They pay per 1000 downloads.

Boards have rules on which hosts can/cannot be used. And the fact that you (like so many others) are making your asinine assumptions is all the more reason for me to not bother giving any further responses to questions that have been posted.

If you want to bite the hand that feeds you, go right ahead.

I'm not a model, I'm a member, so you don't feed me. And I'm not asking questions. I know why you're doing what you're doing.

It is a figure of speech. I'm offering to answer questions that have been asked with honest responses, and you choose to instead come along and act as if you know my reasoning. What you think and what you actually know are two very different things.

 

[Trav]

I'd imagine there's sense of power that comes along with it for some of them. Hence dwight's little jab at having the last laugh. But it's also possible that in addition to that, some cappers have more time than others, and they've chosen easy or popular models to cap. Or maybe they just dislike those particular models.

There could be myriad reasons, but I'm going to go ahead and speculate that you're not going to get a real honest answer from one of the most prolific cappers around, who is obviously making money. There's a reason the file hosts that are chosen for uploads are always hosts that pay out. Dwight uploads to(at least) RapidG*tor. They pay per 1000 downloads.

Boards have rules on which hosts can/cannot be used. And the fact that you (like so many others) are making your asinine assumptions is all the more reason for me to not bother giving any further responses to questions that have been posted.

If you want to bite the hand that feeds you, go right ahead.

I'm not a model, I'm a member, so you don't feed me. And I'm not asking questions. I know why you're doing what you're doing.

It is a figure of speech. I'm offering to answer questions that have been asked with honest responses, and you choose to instead come along and act as if you know my reasoning. What you think and what you actually know are two very different things.

And I suppose your answers will be in no way swayed by the fact that you make about $10-20 per 1000 downloads(on 1 site) and money from premium account referrals. Or maybe you just turn that money down. I'm sure that's it.

 

[BeetFarmer]

I'd imagine there's sense of power that comes along with it for some of them. Hence dwight's little jab at having the last laugh. But it's also possible that in addition to that, some cappers have more time than others, and they've chosen easy or popular models to cap. Or maybe they just dislike those particular models.

There could be myriad reasons, but I'm going to go ahead and speculate that you're not going to get a real honest answer from one of the most prolific cappers around, who is obviously making money. There's a reason the file hosts that are chosen for uploads are always hosts that pay out. Dwight uploads to(at least) RapidG*tor. They pay per 1000 downloads.

Boards have rules on which hosts can/cannot be used. And the fact that you (like so many others) are making your asinine assumptions is all the more reason for me to not bother giving any further responses to questions that have been posted.

If you want to bite the hand that feeds you, go right ahead.

I'm not a model, I'm a member, so you don't feed me. And I'm not asking questions. I know why you're doing what you're doing.

It is a figure of speech. I'm offering to answer questions that have been asked with honest responses, and you choose to instead come along and act as if you know my reasoning. What you think and what you actually know are two very different things.

And I suppose your answers will be in no way swayed by the fact that you make $10-20 per 1000 downloads(on 1 site). Or maybe you just turn that money down. I'm sure that's it.

ETA: I somehow overlooked one aspect of your statement, so my response has now changed. I do not get anything for PPD (pay per download). However the occasional sale goes back into the pockets of MFC and some random model. I have my own income for my own personal expenditures, which also goes into the pockets of MFC and random models.

 

[Trav]

Boards have rules on which hosts can/cannot be used. And the fact that you (like so many others) are making your asinine assumptions is all the more reason for me to not bother giving any further responses to questions that have been posted.

If you want to bite the hand that feeds you, go right ahead.

I'm not a model, I'm a member, so you don't feed me. And I'm not asking questions. I know why you're doing what you're doing.

It is a figure of speech. I'm offering to answer questions that have been asked with honest responses, and you choose to instead come along and act as if you know my reasoning. What you think and what you actually know are two very different things.

And I suppose your answers will be in no way swayed by the fact that you make $10-20 per 1000 downloads(on 1 site). Or maybe you just turn that money down. I'm sure that's it.

I refute that statement as I don't make money for downloads. So yes I turn that money down. See, what you think and what you actually know are two very different things as I said.

Well isn't that something. You're quite ethical capper. Maybe you should start taking that money and donating it to charity, since it's just going to be sitting there anyway. I'm sure they won't turn down free money.

 

[zachminor79]

BeetFarmer: I'm curious of this.. Have you ever had a model thank you for sharing their video/content? I know this view point isn't going to sit well with the models on here, but it's almost like free advertising for them (using the term "free advertising" loosely.)

You would have to think statistically speaking some guys will say "oh, this girl is hot - i need to see more of her" and will eventually find his way to her live stream. That's a new fan who would may have never found the model without coming across that content.

Am I saying all models should encourage people to share their content? Absolutely not. I just like to try to find the positives in a bad situation. It seems like there's a good chance the model will indirectly benefit from her content being out there. A video or picture download will never replace a live feed experience.

 

[CharlotteLace]

Okay, I believe Dwight when it comes to not being profit-motivated. Forums rely on content contributions from members, and oftentimes the sense of camaraderie is the main reward.

I mean, I used to be on Reddit quite a bit, and anybody who has been there knows the points system they attribute to content. So many people hang out there and post things for upvotes, which are meaningless internet points. I know it seems unbelievable that cappers aren't always turning a profit on content, but I can understand how it's not always about money. I assume it's more about the community Dwight's in, and feeling like he's contributing.

Granted, I don't agree with capping, but I can certainly identify with forums and that sense of friendship with other contributors.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

BeetFarmer: I'm curious of this.. Have you ever had a model thank you for sharing their video/content? I know this view point isn't going to sit well with the models on here, but it's almost like free advertising for them (using the term "free advertising" loosely.)

You would have to think statistically speaking some guys will say "oh, this girl is hot - i need to see more of her" and will eventually find his way to her live stream. That's a new fan who would may have never found the model without coming across that content.

Am I saying all models should encourage people to share their content? Absolutely not. I just like to try to find the positives in a bad situation. It seems like there's a good chance the model will indirectly benefit from her content being out there. A video or picture download will never replace a live feed experience.

I have pirated my own videos before, ones that I don't feel are good enough to sell, and I have made regulars from guys that happen among them. The conversation is always "hey! I found a capped video of you! Just to let you know!" "Thanks! Is that how you discovered me?" "Yep!" "Awesome! I put that out there myself because it's low quality. I've got actual decent ones for sale if you're interested!" cha-ching!

Of course, that is totally different from someone else distributing my videos, because I know they're out there and I had control of the content of them, and part of making the sale is the fact that I put it out there myself. But, thought it might be worth mentioning.

 

[Rose]

I don't recall if this question has been asked, but how/why do you target a particular model, if you do? Are you more likely to cap a model whom you enjoy, dislike, or is simply popular? Or, if it being like trading cards, one that has yet to be capped? Is it like Pokemon?

I'm very interested in this answer as well as I am extremely befuddled by how cappers pick their targets per se.

 

[NicoleRiley]

Wait, can we back up for a second?

Are you saying that cappers don't make money off this?

This does change my viewpoint quite a bit if that's the case.

I just assumed you were making money or else you wouldn't bother doing it. But I can see how this could just be a hobby (that I still don't agree with) just like how I like to read, bake, and play with my cat in my spare time. I would say it's quite an extreme hobby in comparison to mine though :lol:

ETA: I have noticed that the guys are always looking to get caps of non nude models or rarely nude doing something nude. Or non penetration models doing penetration. Or a model getting drunk and doing something she normally wouldn't. So in a sense I think that it is kind of like Pokemon. Trying to collect the rarest/most valuable cards!

 

[Trav]

Okay, I believe Dwight when it comes to not being profit-motivated. Forums rely on content contributions from members, and oftentimes the sense of camaraderie is the main reward.

I mean, I used to be on Reddit quite a bit, and anybody who has been there knows the points system they attribute to content. So many people hang out there and post things for upvotes, which are meaningless internet points. I know it seems unbelievable that cappers aren't always turning a profit on content, but I can understand how it's not always about money. I assume it's more about the community Dwight's in, and feeling like he's contributing.

Granted, I don't agree with capping, but I can certainly identify with forums and that sense of friendship with other contributors.

I don't mean to question your judgement, but frankly there's no way in hell you should believe he's not profiting off of the videos. For one, he's not on just 1 forum. He's on 5+ different ones. He's using image hosts for the screencaps that pay out, and file hosts for the files that pay out. He's posting thousands of videos. And the forums these files are posted on are FAR from the kind of community that reddit is.

Essentially he'd be turning down, judging by the amount of content he posts, a probably decent sum of free money.

 

[BeetFarmer]

In terms of this thread.. just because I am going back and forth with him does not mean that I personally want him to be banned. I, for one, am happy to be able to talk to what many of us consider "the enemy". There are lots of things I have wondered about cappers and why they do what they do. I would love to be able to get answers and hear opinions on this subject in general. It does not mean I have to agree with him, but I am happy to see more than one perspective. I do wonder however if a model signed up on KK defending ourselves and our opinions if we'd be instantly attacked or banned. I should have originally made an account on their forum to defend myself on the thread that pissed me off, but I didn't for fear that I would be instantly attacked or called names.

Models have done this before and for the most part the last one to occur was relatively peaceful. There are some members on either side who will not take into account the feelings of the person. So that is to say the animosity I have received from some members here maybe reciprocated by a few if you were to post there, however those members would be chastised if they went overboard with what they said.

You would not be banned unless you broke a board rule is basically the gist of it. The most recent model was SpexyAshleigh and for the most part as I said the guys were civil.

Yes I think capping is parasitic and wrong, but I definitely expected him to come on here and throw around insults and so far he has not.

I just think a lot of us let our emotions get the best of us. I certainly have when it comes to this thread and subject.

Questions for cappers: Do you spend all your spare time capping? Do you have any hobbies outside of capping? Jobs? I kind of just want to change my view of a basement dwelling old man if it is inaccurate. I am curious as to if anyone is married and if so does their spouse know about their hobby.

ETA: Holy shit you guys can talk. There have been like 10 new posts since I've written this!!

I don't spend all my spare time capping. I have a life outside of "DKS" and as such have hobbies or activities I partake in.

I do not live with any family. I live in a modest apartment, some family know that I do this, but they don't really have any opinion on the matter one way or the other.

As for hobbies, I do spend a fair amount of time at the local movie theatre. I enjoy film so I'm usually there once a week. I read and write when the desire hits me, and play some musical instruments. I am not some basement dwelling old man who lives with my mother.

I'm not married or otherwise presently seeing someone, but the other day I casually said that if I was off the market I'd likely put certain aspects of "Dwight" on the back burner.

The problem is everyone in this thread is a hypocrite in some fashion. I'm sure no one can say they have not downloaded a pirated MP3, watched some sort of movie or television show that they either downloaded or streamed from some tube site, etc. Basically my point with this is that people act innocent, but will point the finger at the cappers. I have been open about this. My opinions on certain aspects from a cappers side of things may not be agreed with by the models or those on their sides, but one thing I can say is that a lot of the "white knights" or people who claim to loathe cappers have themselves downloaded videos of models they are not infatuated with to the extent to white knight for them.

 

[Rebecca Buck]

Can we just let Beetfarmer talk, please? That's all I'm asking. I'm willing to extend the olive branch in this thread in the interest of understanding. It's not too difficult to be courteous. So please, for one moment, set aside the need to be right and have the last word, and let him answer our questions. There's no need to chase him off. He's not doing any harm in posting in this thread. Let's be hospitable in the name of 'research'.

 

[Rose]

I'm sure no one can say they have not downloaded a pirated MP3, watched some sort of movie or television show that they either downloaded or streamed from some tube site, etc.

Actually some of us haven't. Please don't suggest that everyone visits tube sites, watches pirated material or torrents things illegally. :thumbleft:

 

[BeetFarmer]

BeetFarmer: I'm curious of this.. Have you ever had a model thank you for sharing their video/content? I know this view point isn't going to sit well with the models on here, but it's almost like free advertising for them (using the term "free advertising" loosely.)

You would have to think statistically speaking some guys will say "oh, this girl is hot - i need to see more of her" and will eventually find his way to her live stream. That's a new fan who would may have never found the model without coming across that content.

Am I saying all models should encourage people to share their content? Absolutely not. I just like to try to find the positives in a bad situation. It seems like there's a good chance the model will indirectly benefit from her content being out there. A video or picture download will never replace a live feed experience.

I know of one, maybe two instances where a model told me they were fine with me posting them as long as it was alright with them using the recording for their own means. I went so far as to offer the unwatermarked version if they wanted it and to edit it down for them if they so desired.

While the number of models who would take this stance I know would be extremely limited, it has happened. And yes the model did thank me as she saw it as advertising. Not many people paid her much attention so it may have helped with some exposure.

I have seen actual examples of guys finding a model because of a video I have posted and they turned around and started tipping her. Could they have found her on their own? Perhaps, but when you are competing with over 1,000 other models it can be like finding a needle in the haystack.

I think models can agree that this is essentially a means of advertising, but their gripe is that more eyes then they would prefer would have the opportunity to see it. And they have not lost money as they made the goal they set out to make to do the show. And it is merely a hypothetical that they could lose income, but it is also possible it could be the complete opposite. There are pros and cons to everything.

 

[BeetFarmer]

I'm sure no one can say they have not downloaded a pirated MP3, watched some sort of movie or television show that they either downloaded or streamed from some tube site, etc.

Actually some of us haven't. Please don't suggest that everyone visits tube sites, watches pirated material or torrents things illegally. :thumbleft:

Sorry, in my haste that should have been "I'm sure not many can say...". The way I obviously have it worded is all inclusive.

However can you with absolute certainty say you have not in essence done something that would be considered an act of piracy? Not pointing a figure at you, but rather just trying to prove a point. And I am by no means using that argument to condone what I do.

 

[CharlotteLace]

Okay, I believe Dwight when it comes to not being profit-motivated. Forums rely on content contributions from members, and oftentimes the sense of camaraderie is the main reward.

I mean, I used to be on Reddit quite a bit, and anybody who has been there knows the points system they attribute to content. So many people hang out there and post things for upvotes, which are meaningless internet points. I know it seems unbelievable that cappers aren't always turning a profit on content, but I can understand how it's not always about money. I assume it's more about the community Dwight's in, and feeling like he's contributing.

Granted, I don't agree with capping, but I can certainly identify with forums and that sense of friendship with other contributors.

I don't mean to question your judgement, but frankly there's no way in hell you should believe he's not profiting off of the videos. For one, he's not on just 1 forum. He's on 5+ different ones. He's using image hosts for the screencaps that pay out, and file hosts for the files that pay out. He's posting thousands of videos. And the forums these files are posted on are FAR from the kind of community that reddit is.

Essentially he'd be turning down, judging by the amount of content he posts, a probably decent sum of free money.

*shrugs* okay, maybe he is making money. Without verifying on those forums that he's indeed profiting from capping, we really only have his word versus our presumptions. (Honestly, he's been fairly forthright about his actions, and I see no reason he'd lie to a forum that already doesn't like him. He didn't come here to be liked.)

I'm just saying that I can accept the fact maybe not 100% of all cappers are doing it for money. (The baseball card analogy made a lot of sense).

 

[The Insider]

There has always been some form of “capping” even before the rise of the live streaming sites. Prior to live video there were countless forums or groups devoted to the posting and trading of nudes from the various females on rating sites. I was active in that back scene, perhaps not to the degree this persona has taken on, but I was in a higher up echelon then just the average individual.

Think of it like trading sports cards in a sense. While I post things publicly in doing so I’ve garnered attention (good or bad) and some who appreciate it will send me something for my collection as a token of gratitude.

I understand exactly his point (but i'd compare it more to the era of mix tapes instead of cards as with cards you are actually trading the item not copies of it)

I know from the early days it began with guys capping shows for their own benefit. Then maybe 2 guys get to chatting and find out they have something in common so they share, it evolves into a forum type site where it gets bigger and bigger. He's achieved what so many sweat over (serp's, seo etc) He's getting massive word of mouth traffic and then it dawns "why not monetize it" so you start seeing sidebar ads for fleshlight or pop-unders for LJ.

I've had upwards of 100 sites of my own at one time (which was totally uncontrollable) and I've run forums for mmo's in the past and i know that people will just seek you out, maybe they want to have the attn of the highest post count, the most thanks or karma or just want to be a fave of the forum owner or mod. But in his case people simply find him & offer their tb's of capped shows.

It might be distasteful to many but it is a side effect of this biz.

And I'm sure he will agree with me, he can do a lot more to further a models earnings then they know.

I would say this might be more of an opportunity to make an ally then an adversary.

 

[NicoleRiley]

I'm not intending to interfere with his answers in this post. I just want to add to something that he posted that I actually agree on.. it's recently been a pet peeve of mine with a certain member.

one thing I can say is that a lot of the "white knights" or people who claim to loathe cappers have themselves downloaded videos of models they are not infatuated with to the extent to white knight for them.

:text-yeahthat:

I actually had to tell a "regular" to stop sending me links to caps on a daily basis. I know the only reason he has found them is because he is searching for them himself. He got all offended because he was "trying to do the right thing", but I am willing to put money on the fact that he downloaded said videos before he sent over the link. Not to mention the guy has never spent a dime in my room, but expected special treatment because he "helps" me. I know how to use the search function on forums and I know how to use Google :roll:

 

[Rose]

I'm sure no one can say they have not downloaded a pirated MP3, watched some sort of movie or television show that they either downloaded or streamed from some tube site, etc.

Actually some of us haven't. Please don't suggest that everyone visits tube sites, watches pirated material or torrents things illegally. :thumbleft:

Sorry, in my haste that should have been "I'm sure not many can say...". The way I obviously have it worded is all inclusive.

However can you with absolute certainty say you have not in essence done something that would be considered an act of piracy? Not pointing a figure at you, but rather just trying to prove a point. And I am by no means using that argument to condone what I do.

Not many would definitely be more accurate than everyone. :thumbleft:

Except for liking a few videos on youtube of my favorite band to share their music with my followers (most of those songs have free music videos posted by their record label or are broadcasted on MTV during their AM music video sessions) I can honestly say I avoid anything pirated/questionable like the plague. Getting caught with pirated material here is a fairly serious offense and comes with a hefty fine. I don't poop money so I don't risk it.

I'm also still very curious as to how you (using this collectively, not you personally) pick who you cap and share.

 

[NicoleRiley]

I'm also still very curious as to how you (using this collectively, not you personally) pick who you cap and share.

Me too because I've seen some terribly BORING caps of myself when I'm having a super off (aka PMS) day. Like me just sitting there talking :lol:

 

[BeetFarmer]

I don't recall if this question has been asked, but how/why do you target a particular model, if you do? Are you more likely to cap a model whom you enjoy, dislike, or is simply popular? Or, if it being like trading cards, one that has yet to be capped? Is it like Pokemon?

In the beginning (prior to posting caps) I recorded models I found interesting or attractive for one reason or another. Eventually I started adding models that seemed to be popular. Sometimes I’d find a new model and be the first to post them and I guess you could say that might be where the trading card metaphor comes into play. It was never an objective I looked to fill, but it was known to me.

I can’t say I record many models that I have an issue with. Could probably count the number on one hand, and considering the number of models I record that should say a lot. I don’t attempt to or go out of my way to find grudges. Although I can say a couple models I post on a regular basis who are white knighted by an individual with a rather shady past and who has just as shady a business do get preferential treatment from some cappers. Those seem to mainly be some of the top models though.

Wait, can we back up for a second?

Are you saying that cappers don't make money off this?

This does change my viewpoint quite a bit if that's the case.

I just assumed you were making money or else you wouldn't bother doing it. But I can see how this could just be a hobby (that I still don't agree with) just like how I like to read, bake, and play with my cat in my spare time. I would say it's quite an extreme hobby in comparison to mine though :lol:

ETA: I have noticed that the guys are always looking to get caps of non nude models or rarely nude doing something nude. Or non penetration models doing penetration. Or a model getting drunk and doing something she normally wouldn't. So in a sense I think that it is kind of like Pokemon. Trying to collect the rarest/most valuable cards!

I am not saying that money cannot be made, however I think models and “white knights” (that is how I will refer to non-models from now on just for the sake of being easiest), are in the mindset that cappers make a ton of money. That simply is not true. As I said I do make some sales and have not hidden that fact as it would be pointless, but it is true that it basically all goes back into MFC. I know you have received tokens from me Nicole for example. That is the honest truth.

As I said though I have spent a considerable amount of my own money doing this. Internet costs for uploading purposes, hard drive space, hosting, etc. And of course even more tokens.

What other cappers do with anything they may/may not make is their business. I can only speak for myself. I know some smaller posters do it to help ease the cost of MFC so it acts like a circle more or less.

I realize some of you will choose to believe me, while some will choose to call me liar. But this is how it is for me.

And yes, in some instances you are right about the rare factor. I was kicking myself for not having one model on my recording list due to a recent incident. I’m sure it might be easy to figure out who and what I am being vague about.

 

[BeetFarmer]

There has always been some form of “capping” even before the rise of the live streaming sites. Prior to live video there were countless forums or groups devoted to the posting and trading of nudes from the various females on rating sites. I was active in that back scene, perhaps not to the degree this persona has taken on, but I was in a higher up echelon then just the average individual.

Think of it like trading sports cards in a sense. While I post things publicly in doing so I’ve garnered attention (good or bad) and some who appreciate it will send me something for my collection as a token of gratitude.

I understand exactly his point (but i'd compare it more to the era of mix tapes instead of cards as with cards you are actually trading the item not copies of it)

I know from the early days it began with guys capping shows for their own benefit. Then maybe 2 guys get to chatting and find out they have something in common so they share, it evolves into a forum type site where it gets bigger and bigger. He's achieved what so many sweat over (serp's, seo etc) He's getting massive word of mouth traffic and then it dawns "why not monetize it" so you start seeing sidebar ads for fleshlight or pop-unders for LJ.

I've had upwards of 100 sites of my own at one time (which was totally uncontrollable) and I've run forums for mmo's in the past and i know that people will just seek you out, maybe they want to have the attn of the highest post count, the most thanks or karma or just want to be a fave of the forum owner or mod. But in his case people simply find him & offer their tb's of capped shows.

It might be distasteful to many but it is a side effect of this biz.

And I'm sure he will agree with me, he can do a lot more to further a models earnings then they know.

I would say this might be more of an opportunity to make an ally then an adversary.

I just want to confirm if my interpretation of your statement is correct...

Are you really saying I could be an asset? Right now I am dumbfounded as no one from the other side has (with the couple of exceptions I mentioned earlier) has said such a thing.

 

[Trav]

Okay, I believe Dwight when it comes to not being profit-motivated. Forums rely on content contributions from members, and oftentimes the sense of camaraderie is the main reward.

I mean, I used to be on Reddit quite a bit, and anybody who has been there knows the points system they attribute to content. So many people hang out there and post things for upvotes, which are meaningless internet points. I know it seems unbelievable that cappers aren't always turning a profit on content, but I can understand how it's not always about money. I assume it's more about the community Dwight's in, and feeling like he's contributing.

Granted, I don't agree with capping, but I can certainly identify with forums and that sense of friendship with other contributors.

I don't mean to question your judgement, but frankly there's no way in hell you should believe he's not profiting off of the videos. For one, he's not on just 1 forum. He's on 5+ different ones. He's using image hosts for the screencaps that pay out, and file hosts for the files that pay out. He's posting thousands of videos. And the forums these files are posted on are FAR from the kind of community that reddit is.

Essentially he'd be turning down, judging by the amount of content he posts, a probably decent sum of free money.

*shrugs* okay, maybe he is making money. Without verifying on those forums that he's indeed profiting from capping, we really only have his word versus our presumptions. (Honestly, he's been fairly forthright about his actions, and I see no reason he'd lie to a forum that already doesn't like him. He didn't come here to be liked.)

I'm just saying that I can accept the fact maybe not 100% of all cappers are doing it for money. (The baseball card analogy made a lot of sense).

I don't think 100% of them do. But the most prolific ones absolutely are doing it for that reason.

There's one user(not dwight for the record) on one of these forums who is uploading THOUSANDS of MFC "shows" per post. Literally, one of his posts is 1423 shows from a 2-day period. 1423 individual screenshots, 1423 individual, separate download links, all uploaded on sites that pay for clicks/downloads/account registrations. Other posts have many hundreds posted the same way, all about 2 days after being recorded. It's an obviously automated system, as the time it would take to do that yourself is crazy, and it's probably making the person a not-insignificant amount of money. And it's completely passive income. Upload and forget.

Is it possible dwight and the cappers like him are not taking the free money they're being presented with? Sure, I guess it's possible. But it is exceptionally unlikely.