Stolen Videos

[OpheliaChan]

Now, now, no need to mince legal wording. The clause you reference is stated after the clause I referenced, but either way it stands absolutely no ground.

Furthermore nowhere that my lawyer was unable to find on the MyFreeCams.com domain any legal contractual agreements which would be required to accept any such terms and conditions. If someone doesn't agree to any and/or all of those terms and conditions then they are legally allowed to access the web site domain. Case law explicitly stands with the understanding that a clickwrap agreement must be either accepted or declined to withstand any validity. Burying some terms and conditions on another web server with a different subdomain renders any copyright claim to be false.

The only registered patents and/or copyrights that my lawyer has ever been able to obtain are related specifically to the MyFreeCams.com domain name, to the MyFreeCams logo, and with no records related to the actual real time flash video streaming that is distributed by Cybertania's servers. This was verified under the names Cybertania Inc, MyFreeCams.com, and MFCXY Inc. Furthermore, specifically to the recording of publicly accessible real-time flash video streaming there is absolutely no legal copyright, patent, or trademark that can be placed upon such stream.

Also, they do make mention of DMCA in their hidden wiki. It is illegal to submit a false DMCA Takedown Notification on content that is not copyright protected, trademarked, or patented; those who submit such illegal & false notifications then can be subject to a counter DMCA in which they could be very easily sued for punitive damages, this includes previous false DMCA claims which can be reviewed (along with full names, home addresses, and telephone numbers of claimants & counter-claimaints) on the website ChillingEffects.org.

Just "theoretically speaking" here... If MyFreeCam's real time flash video streams had any type of legally-binding intellectual property claims, international contractual employees of MyFreeCams should keep in mind that the fourth letter in DMCA is America, so any contractual employees of Cybertania, Inc. aka MFCXY, Inc. do not stand on legal grounds unless the claim were to come from Cybertania, Inc., MyFreeCams., or MFCXY, Inc.

Lastly, part of the legally binding "model agreements" when becoming a contractual employee of MyFreeCams explicitly states that the model releases any claim of ownership towards the content. In other words, if MFC had some sort of a legal ground to sue those who currently legally record and distribute their streams they would also have to sue many of their contractual employees as well...

Simply put, its not stealing, and this is based on professional legal counsel that specialize in this area.

What the fuck is wrong with you? No, seriously, what the actual fuck is wrong with you? What made you wake up one day and think to yourself, 'I think I'll record a bunch of hard-working models on MFC, post the screencaps and videos everywhere and make their lives a living hell by making sure that the whole world knows that they cam'?

You truly are a terrible human being and I feel sorry for all the disappointment that is your pathetic existence.

Probably misogyny and a slew of mental issues that stem from feeling inadequate, like mynameisbob84 pointed out.

What I don't get is why these guys act like they are making all that much money off of doing this. They can't be making terrible amounts considering I don't think they get relatively that much traffic. I'm almost fully convinced that this is just some sort of sick hobby. It's not even an interesting one either, you're basically staring at vaginas all day and obsessing over women on the internet. I don't get it at all.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

It's harsh to call people scum when they devote their entire life to taking screencaps of models and posting them on the internet? Even after he said he operates simply due to a legal loophole and has shown that he couldn't care less about models? Really?

It's harsh to call anyone scum. Even women who sleep with disease ridden 60 year old strangers don't deserve to be called scum. The dude may be a huge parasite but with a industry as parasitic as adult entertainment, it shouldn't be that surprising that someone is going to try to make a buck off someone else. If he is as devoted as ya"ll claim him to be then I can't help but feel pity for the guy.

 

[NicoleRiley]

It's harsh to call people scum when they devote their entire life to taking screencaps of models and posting them on the internet? Even after he said he operates simply due to a legal loophole and has shown that he couldn't care less about models? Really?

It's harsh to call anyone scum. Even women who sleep with disease ridden 60 year old strangers don't deserve to be called scum. The dude may be a huge parasite but with a industry as parasitic as adult entertainment, it shouldn't be that surprising that someone is going to try to make a buck off someone else. If he is as devoted as ya"ll claim him to be then I can't help but feel pity for the guy.

He deserves it. He's a piece of shit. Oh and fuck you

 

[Anonymous]

It's harsh to call anyone scum. Even women who sleep with disease ridden 60 year old strangers don't deserve to be called scum. The dude may be a huge parasite but with a industry as parasitic as adult entertainment, it shouldn't be that surprising that someone is going to try to make a buck off someone else. If he is as devoted as ya"ll claim him to be then I can't help but feel pity for the guy.

So wait...you're giving Allison a hard time for calling this guy 'scum', yet you turn around and call him a 'parasite'? :lol: That's not exactly a term of endearment either, ya know.

You feel pity? Hmmm. I'm not sure why you'd feel pity for some jizzbag who's dumb enough admit on a camming forum (where a lot of cam girls are) that he steals hard-working models' videos. But whatever, man.....*shrugs shoulders*

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I pity him because he seems to sit at home all day and records random porn. Parasite was the best word I could think of to describe him. Way more accurate than scum while not being as harsh.

 

[Jupiter551]

If MyFreeCam's real time flash video streams had any type of legally-binding intellectual property claims, international contractual employees of MyFreeCams should keep in mind that the fourth letter in DMCA is America, so any contractual employees of Cybertania, Inc. aka MFCXY, Inc. do not stand on legal grounds unless the claim were to come from Cybertania, Inc., MyFreeCams., or MFCXY, Inc.

The fourth letter in the Digital Millennium Copywright Act is 'America'? Really?

 

[Deleted member 8603]

It's harsh to call people scum when they devote their entire life to taking screencaps of models and posting them on the internet? Even after he said he operates simply due to a legal loophole and has shown that he couldn't care less about models? Really?

It's harsh to call anyone scum. Even women who sleep with disease ridden 60 year old strangers don't deserve to be called scum. The dude may be a huge parasite but with a industry as parasitic as adult entertainment, it shouldn't be that surprising that someone is going to try to make a buck off someone else. If he is as devoted as ya"ll claim him to be then I can't help but feel pity for the guy.

Go cry, masturbate, and think about the millions of women that would rather gouge their own eyes out than ever let you touch them.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Question;

MyFreeCams explicitly states that the model releases any claim of ownership towards the content.

Would this not mean then, that if a Model sells recorded shows of herself, then they are selling stolen content?

Sorry I have random stupid what if questions. :lol:

Also;

What the fuck is wrong with you? No, seriously, what the actual fuck is wrong with you? What made you wake up one day and think to yourself, 'I think I'll record a bunch of hard-working models on MFC, post the screencaps and videos everywhere and make their lives a living hell by making sure that the whole world knows that they cam'?

While I agree with that one (you go girl) My second stupid question of the day is... you (whoever, a random model in general) are on cam on the internet doing sex acts (often for free in public) and striving to make a living at it and you have at the same time, a problem with people knowing you are there doing it?

I'm not sure how free publicity is bad but... I'm not a model. :? Performing live sex acts online is not exactly something you'll really successfully "keep a secret to all but those paying money to see it".

Like any job I suggest you come to grips with your job, enjoy it and promote it, or find a new job.

No offense.

BTW I also think grown men who collect and share sex videos like baseball cards have some serious personal issues or not all their dogs are barking.... ya know? :lol: There is seriously something wrong with you guys. Get help before it's too late to repair the mental damage.
:lol:

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Go cry, masturbate, and think about the millions of women that would rather gouge their own eyes out than ever let you touch them.

I'd much rather think positive thoughts about the millions of women who would like to fuck young, in shape, somewhat wealthy guys. Not really concerned about what you think other women think of me.

 

[NicoleRiley]

I'm not sure how free publicity is bad but... I'm not a model. :? Performing live sex acts online is not exactly something you'll really successfully "keep a secret to all but those paying money to see it".

Like any job I suggest you come to grips with your job, enjoy it and promote it, or find a new job

It's not "free publicity" when people cap your group shows. Which are paid shows. I've even found a private posted. Luckily I remembered who it was and banned him. I've never really bothered to try to get my tame shows taken down (it's always white knights that report them) but I have started to now because it's just getting annoying at this point.

I'm mainly just pissed off at the thread I found with a bunch of guys talking shit about girls and my name came up a ton. Most of the stuff said was completely untrue which is the more annoying part.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

My second stupid question of the day is... you (whoever, a random model in general) are on cam on the internet doing sex acts (often for free in public) and striving to make a living at it and you have at the same time, a problem with people knowing you are there doing it?

I'm not sure how free publicity is bad but... I'm not a model. Performing live sex acts online is not exactly something you'll really successfully "keep a secret to all but those paying money to see it".

Like any job I suggest you come to grips with your job, enjoy it and promote it, or find a new job.

This is a good question. Now I am fairly open with my family and my friends about my job. But... I do not particularly want anyone to be able to come across videos of me. I also would rather there not be videos of me lurking around the internet for free years after I stop camming (meaning people are still accessing my work and I'm not making zilch off it). I also do not like the idea of someone profiting off my work.

This is an example, I have a rather geeky porn obsessed friend who has wanted to find me for years. To find me on mfc he would have to know the website and the exact times I cam, and then search through models to find me. Unless he got lucky and came across my website and I happened to be working at the same time, this is actually pretty unlikely. When he found out there was an xhamster video of me out there, without the video having my name or anything about me attached to it, he found me in 5 minutes. And with that he found my name, my website, my twitter, everything. Now he's my friend and just had a good giggle about it and abused the process to go on my site and go "nice top.... teehee!", so hardly the end of the world, but all he had to do is search "webcam model" into xhamster which is a very popular porn site. Anyone I know who knows what I do could do this, and then they could potentially ruin the models life with it. Either by releasing her info out on the internet, or by linking her friends/family to her cam page, sending them videos of her.
Personally I may be a webcam model, and don't mind people seeing me naked, but that does not mean I want everyone in my life to see me naked, you know, like my parents...

I have accepted all the bad things that come with webcamming. I accept that in the future I may be shunned from jobs because of it, if I have children if videos like these are lurking around it could really mess with their lives if they got out, many life decisions for my future I may not have because of peoples feelings about this. That does not mean I like it, or that I want to encourage it. Yes I would rather be able to do this while I need it, and once I stop it is finished.

I would also not underestimate how many people watch these videos. Stolen videos of mine have had thousands of views within days. That's a lot of views completely for free. I don't enjoy people freeloading in my room, but at least they add to my room counts and have the chance to tip. These videos are out there for anyone in the world to see and have absolutely zero connection to me. That is what I don't like. Like has already been said, it's someone else profiting off your work, off your body. The worst of it is they are doing it without your permission, and most of them are actually pretty soulless.

  Post subject:  Re: Stolen Videos  
Question;

Quote:
MyFreeCams explicitly states that the model releases any claim of ownership towards the content.


Would this not mean then, that if a Model sells recorded shows of herself, then they are selling stolen content?

I do think people need to bear in mind that anything with a models face on it is copy written by her. It is automatic. You cannot take pictures of people and sell them without that person signing a release form. I have my own contract with mfc. That is NOTHING to do with any member. If a member is selling and passing on videos of a model then he would need a signed release form with her agreeing that he personally does this. In the case of Myfreecams, you would also need myfreecams to give you permission. Just because a model has entered a contract with mfc does not mean she has entered a contract with everyone else. The basic laws do still apply. It's amazing really that some people believe they are somehow above the laws. There aren't loopholes, they are talking out of their arses. No release form, no legality. Has no one ever heard of photographers taking pictures and there being someone in the background and then later being sued a fuck load and forced to share the profits because they never got the person to agree to it being published?

The reason these people are not being sued (because they would be, and have been in the past) is because they are hiding behind the internet. And frankly, to track them down and sue them it would take a tremendous amount of effort, would cost a fair amount with lawyers, you'd have to deal with the person in question, probably have to see them in court. It would generally be a long, expensive and depressing process and at the end of the day, there will just be 100 others like him still roaming free on the internet. Most people just cannot be fucked to associate with such cretins and go through all that hassle.

 

[Zoomer]

I just wanted to mention that on MyFreeCams the content is the property of the public domain as clearly stated here:
MyFreeCams Wiki - Terms and Conditions

Specifically in the section "Content posted on this website" as it closes with this line:

By posting Content on this website, you automatically grant, and represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to MFC and visitors of MFC, an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully-paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute such information, rights of publicity and Content and to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works and other media, such information and Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing.

Perhaps you should get a real lawyer to read this - if you believe it means you're legally allowed to video and redistribute. When I say "this", I of course refer to the entire section which you have lifted directly and then quoted it out of context to represent what you hope it means.

Content posted on this website

You understand and agree that the Content displayed on MFC is primarily posted by third parties and MFC does not pre-screen or preemptively monitor such Content. MFC is not liable or responsible for Content posted by third parties.

MFC claims immunity from liability to the fullest extent under the law and as provided under the Communications Decency Act for Content posted by third parties and nothing in this Agreement is intended to waive, remove, or usurp such immunity.

You understand and agree that MFC may delete any Content that in the sole judgment MFC violates the Terms of Use or which might be offensive, illegal, or that might violate the rights, harm, or threaten the safety of MFC, its employees, associates or users. MFC is not responsible for any failure or delay in removing such Content.

This website may display images from, or otherwise link you, to other websites on the Internet. These websites may contain information or material that some people may find inappropriate or offensive. These other websites are not under MFC's control, and you acknowledge that MFC is not responsible for the accuracy, copyright compliance, legality, decency, or any other aspect of the content of such websites. The inclusion of such a link does not imply endorsement of the website by MFC or any association with its operators.

You are solely responsible for the Content that you post on this website or otherwise transmit to other MFC users.

By posting Content on this website, you automatically grant, and represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to MFC and visitors of MFC, an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully-paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute such information, rights of publicity and Content and to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works and other media, such information and Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing.

When you put it explicitly in the context within which it was written, and assuming you are taking it out of context to mean it is legal for you to video, you are utterly full of shit.

As is your "lawyer", who obviously is incompetent and fabricated. Seen many of your posts on various forums - the only thing I find laughable is not people sharing stuff - shit happens. It's twits who try to get all legal claiming they're right, justified, or correct in doing so.

You really aren't. You waste time recording stuff, sharing it - that's your choice. But fabricating claims that it's all legal? Ridiculous

 

[curvyredhead]

It's harsh to call people scum when they devote their entire life to taking screencaps of models and posting them on the internet? Even after he said he operates simply due to a legal loophole and has shown that he couldn't care less about models? Really?

It's harsh to call anyone scum. Even women who sleep with disease ridden 60 year old strangers don't deserve to be called scum. The dude may be a huge parasite but with a industry as parasitic as adult entertainment, it shouldn't be that surprising that someone is going to try to make a buck off someone else. If he is as devoted as ya"ll claim him to be then I can't help but feel pity for the guy.

He deserves it. He's a piece of shit. Oh and fuck you

Word

 

[Anonymous]

This thread should've never been posted in the first place, and hopefully in the future, people will use better judgement and will PM/MFC Mail the models themselves, instead of post links on a public forum.

I'm not sure how free publicity is bad but... I'm not a model. :?

Like any job I suggest you come to grips with your job, enjoy it and promote it, or find a new job.

No offense, but I don't appreciate some guy coming on here telling models to "enjoy the free publicity or get a different job."

Models are allowed to be pissed when they find stolen videos posted all over the net. I actually don't do public cum shows in free chat, but I realize that a lot of models do it because they do better with those shows than they do privates. Also, we are well aware of the risks, but it doesn't mean we're supposed to smile and enjoy it each time a stolen video is uploaded. Some models don't mind the "free publicity," and some models will take the necessary steps to have their videos removed. NOTHING wrong with that.....

Oh, and people who actually care about giving a model free publicity can follow her on Twitter and retweet her posts - especially the "I'm online!" tweets - instead of posting stolen vids on a bunch of websites like a fucking douchebag. :thumbleft:

 

[Nordling]

Why, yes "scum" is harsh--it's harsh and justified. In fact considering the posts of this particular scum, I think it's pretty mild. Cretinous pond scum parasiting on the efforts of others. Slime, shit...all justified.

 

[curvyredhead]

This thread should've never been posted in the first place, and hopefully in the future, people will use better judgement and will PM/MFC Mail the models themselves, instead of post links on a public forum.

I'm not sure how free publicity is bad but... I'm not a model. :?

Like any job I suggest you come to grips with your job, enjoy it and promote it, or find a new job.

No offense, but I don't appreciate some guy coming on here telling models to "enjoy the free publicity or get a different job."

Models are allowed to be pissed when they find stolen videos posted all over the net. I actually don't do public cum shows in free chat, but I realize that a lot of models do it because they do better with those shows than they do privates. Also, we are well aware of the risks, but it doesn't mean we're supposed to smile and enjoy it each time a stolen video is uploaded. Some models don't mind the "free publicity," and some models will take the necessary steps to have their videos removed. NOTHING wrong with that.....

Oh, and people who actually care about giving a model free publicity can follow her on Twitter and retweet her posts...instead of posting stolen vids on a bunch of websites like a fucking douchebag. :thumbleft:

I personally don't have as big an issue when the recorded video (not a video a sell) has been uploaded IF I am given credit.
This is almost never the case tho. For me, it is usually uploaded with no information about me or where the video was even recorded from. It is generally just labelled something like "fat lesbien" or "bbw redhead" This is not free promotion at all.
Since I started watermarking around a year ago--I have not cares AS much.--But, i can understand why some would.

 

[Zoomer]

I'm not sure how free publicity is bad but... I'm not a model. :?

It is probably "bad" in the same vein that music and movie studios view it as "bad" when people freely distribute artists music/movies which are otherwise paid for.

Whilst true, you don't have to pay on MFC - but when it is a paid for show being distributed, it doesn't seem unreasonable to draw a parallel.

You could almost say recording models in public is like the old fashioned way of recording music off the radio. No-one cared when it was for yourself... but if you then tried to distribute said tapes... well that was a different matter.

As with every point made of this type, the obvious is "each download isn't a lost sale".

No, it's not. But nor does this suddenly give anyone who wouldn't pay for music the God given moral right to therefore download (pirate) every song in existence on the basis "but I wouldn't...".

However, I have previously stated the entire reason I came to MFC was seeing a recorded video of Crazysysy and saying "who is that?". It may even have been posted by Dwight...

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Why, yes "scum" is harsh--it's harsh and justified. In fact considering the posts of this particular scum, I think it's pretty mild. Cretinous pond scum parasiting on the efforts of others. Slime, shit...all justified.

I try to reserve the word scum for murderers, rapists, dead beat dads, etc. Some beta sitting in his moms basement making a few bucks off of models is hilariously sad but I don't think it makes him scum. Dudes a simple parasite. Plus if I start calling this type of dude scum then I'd have to start using new words to describe the real scumbags out there.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

Go cry, masturbate, and think about the millions of women that would rather gouge their own eyes out than ever let you touch them.

I'd much rather think positive thoughts about the millions of women who would like to fuck young, in shape, somewhat wealthy guys. Not really concerned about what you think other women think of me.

Congratulations on the outside.

Now work on the inside, because you're an ugly person.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Again, your opinion of me does not matter. I have no idea who you are nor do you know anything about me. You can throw as many insults as ya want at me and I'm still going to be a happy person so if it makes you feel better to be angry and think I'm ugly inside, go for it.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

Again, your opinion of me does not matter. I have no idea who you are nor do you know anything about me. You can throw as many insults as ya want at me and I'm still going to be a happy person so if it makes you feel better to be angry and think I'm ugly inside, go for it.

At least I'm not judging your worth as a person based on one person you slept with.

Why are you on a forum run for women who express their sexuality when you act like you hate women who express their sexuality?

You are getting insults for giving them.

 

[NicoleRiley]

Why, yes "scum" is harsh--it's harsh and justified. In fact considering the posts of this particular scum, I think it's pretty mild. Cretinous pond scum parasiting on the efforts of others. Slime, shit...all justified.

I try to reserve the word scum for murderers, rapists, dead beat dads, etc. Some beta sitting in his moms basement making a few bucks off of models is hilariously sad but I don't think it makes him scum. Dudes a simple parasite. Plus if I start calling this type of dude scum then I'd have to start using new words to describe the real scumbags out there.

Parasite and scum mean the same thing. Get off your high horse. I think these guys are scum because not only do they make money off OUR work, but they were sitting there saying really nasty things about models.

I believe I got called an STD infested whore or something like that. I can count the amount of people I've had sex with on one hand and I'm the only one out of my friends who hasn't had Chlamydia (or any STD at all). Also they sat there criticizing the way we run our rooms ("public shows are the only way to go") because it would make it easier for them to cap if we did everything in public. I got called the biggest disappointment at the cam mansion because I wasn't on much and when I was I was alone. I didn't go to the cam mansion to work to be honest. I went there to have fun with a bunch of sexy ladies. Sorry if we didn't provide you with mind blowing public shows, I was too busy enjoying my trip and hanging out with the awesome member who won my raffle. Also I didn't "owe it to my guys" to go on cam since I paid for this trip with my own money.. I didn't ask anyone to tip extra and no one did. Actually, the guys who DO tip me were messaging me saying not to worry about logging on as long as I was enjoying myself.

It was mainly the condescending way they were speaking and talking as if we were fucking idiots who shouldn't do anything but open our legs to the world.. except when we fuck an old dude.. then that's not okay :icon-rolleyes:

I honestly normally don't care what people say. Trolls in my room don't phase me, but this bothered me because they're like a gang of teens with low self esteem that feel the need to talk shit about people to make themselves feel better about their existence.

I just want to add that the fact Dwight talked to his lawyer about this is beyond hilarious. GET A LIFE DUDE! :thumbup:

 

[PunkInDrublic]

At least I'm not judging your worth as a person based on one person you slept with.

Why are you on a forum run for women who express their sexuality when you act like you hate women who express their sexuality?

You are getting insults for giving them.

Huh? Where did I judge someones worth? Please don't mistake my lack of simping or asskissing as hatred for women who express their sexuality. I'm hoping my girlfriend will already be home when I get there so she can express herself sexually to me.

 

[NicoleRiley]

At least I'm not judging your worth as a person based on one person you slept with.

Why are you on a forum run for women who express their sexuality when you act like you hate women who express their sexuality?

You are getting insults for giving them.

Huh? Where did I judge someones worth? Please don't mistake my lack of simping or asskissing as hatred for women who express their sexuality. I'm hoping my girlfriend will already be home when I get there so she can express herself sexually to me.

Does this sound familiar??

It's harsh to call anyone scum. Even women who sleep with disease ridden 60 year old strangers don't deserve to be called scum.

I wonder which whore you were talking about? :dance:

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Parasite and scum mean the same thing. Get off your high horse.

They don't and my horse don't even blaze anymore.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Does this sound familiar??

It's harsh to call anyone scum. Even women who sleep with disease ridden 60 year old strangers don't deserve to be called scum.

I wonder which whore you were talking about? :dance:

I wasn't talking about any whores. I was talking about women.

 

[Rose]

Does this sound familiar??

It's harsh to call anyone scum. Even women who sleep with disease ridden 60 year old strangers don't deserve to be called scum.

I wonder which whore you were talking about? :dance:

I wasn't talking about any whores. I was talking about women.

.........

 

[AllisonWilder]

Does this sound familiar??

It's harsh to call anyone scum. Even women who sleep with disease ridden 60 year old strangers don't deserve to be called scum.

I wonder which whore you were talking about? :dance:

I wasn't talking about any whores. I was talking about women.

There was an implied dig there, Punk. We all know it.

 

[LailaBaise]

Why is PunkinDrublic the villain? I honestly do not get it. I think his dry, nonchalant tone is being misunderstood here.

 

[AmberCutie]

Why is PunkinDrublic the villain? I honestly do not get it. I think his dry, nonchalant tone is being misunderstood here.

I agree, and I'd like to add that the conversation here turned from a debate into childish arguing.