scammed by model

[feetandass93]

Hi,
I had a private show with a model where she did not preform the actions that were agreed upon. She asked me for a pretip of 400 tokens for all the actions and once the private show started she preformed none of the agreed actions. We had a show for 3 minutes, then she closed it because I asked her to do ahegao face like I wanted. (keep in mind I provided her pictures of exactly what I wanted, prior to the show.) I pleaded with her as I had already payed the 400 tokens for some other actions so she agreed to another private, where she just seemed genuinely frustrated and upset. Once again, I asked her to preform the actions as per the pictures I showed her and we agreed upon before the private, she again closed the show.
Furthermore, once the show was closed, she encouraged me to contact CB support and ask for a refund. I spent a total of 496 tokens if I'm not mistaken.
I've recieved 8minutes of private show recording, but feel free to delete it as its utterly useless. I've created a ticket under the same username and asked CB for a full refund, however it's been 4 days and I have yet to recieve a reply.
CB username: feetandass93 - there is no ticket number.
@punker barbie @AmberCutie

 

[LaceyRoyce]

If she encouraged you to ask for a refund, I don’t know what exactly happened (either a miscommunication or something changed and she wasn’t comfortable or able to do the show anymore) but that’s not a “scam” she’s actively trying to get you your money back.

CB is notoriously slow on support tickets, it’s also the holidays so expect more delays. Don’t email again on the same ticket or it will get pushed to the back of the line. I suspect you’ll get a response sooner or later

Also tagging Amber does nothing, she does not work for CB

 

[MarieElise]

did you specifically call it "ahego" face before the show. That has a problematic, racist history, and lots of models won't do it, myself included.
it's possible she agreed to it, not realizing what it really was. or it's possible there was a translation error/ miscommunication.

 

[Vixxen81]

did you specifically call it "ahego" face before the show. That has a problematic, racist history, and lots of models won't do it, myself included.
it's possible she agreed to it, not realizing what it really was. or it's possible there was a translation error/ miscommunication.

Racist? I know of its pedophile origins but not race. Can you explain so I know more please?

 

[MarieElise]

Racist? I know of its pedophile origins but not race. Can you explain so I know more please?

The way it was explained to me is that it is racist due not just to it's pedophilic orgins but it's pedophilic orgins focused on one specific race of children. That's what I was told. I'm no expert on it, but I avoid it for both of those reasons. You are right to bring that in though, I missed the pedophilic part that is central also. I cannot recall if it was Japanese, Laos, Cambodian, Chinese, Sri Lankan or which race specifically. That's why I'm not saying that part. My shitty memory, and not wanting to say the incorrect ethnic group.

 

[Vixxen81]

The way it was explained to me is that it is racist due not just to it's pedophilic orgins but it's pedophilic orgins focused on one specific race of children. That's what I was told. I'm no expert on it, but I avoid it for both of those reasons. You are right to bring that in though, I missed the pedophilic part that is central also. I cannot recall if it was Japanese, Laos, Cambodian, Chinese, Sri Lankan or which race specifically. That's why I'm not saying that part. My shitty memory, and not wanting to say the incorrect ethnic group.

Got it. I thought it was an anime specific thing which crosses all Asian and incel cultures. I've always thought it was gross. Knowing the reason made it worse.

 

[MarieElise]

Got it. I thought it was an anime specific thing which crosses all Asian and incel cultures. I've always thought it was gross. Knowing the reason made it worse.

You are probably right, that's probably why I can't recall which specific group, because there probably isn't one. It grosses me out hard. I can't believe sites allow it. But many do. Yet, you can't just piss on someone via c2c. Go figure

I still can't get over how taboo Golden Showers are considered. So silly.
When you gotta go, you gotta go

 

[yummybrownfox]

Hi,
I had a private show with a model where she did not preform the actions that were agreed upon. She asked me for a pretip of 400 tokens for all the actions and once the private show started she preformed none of the agreed actions. We had a show for 3 minutes, then she closed it because I asked her to do ahegao face like I wanted. (keep in mind I provided her pictures of exactly what I wanted, prior to the show.) I pleaded with her as I had already payed the 400 tokens for some other actions so she agreed to another private, where she just seemed genuinely frustrated and upset. Once again, I asked her to preform the actions as per the pictures I showed her and we agreed upon before the private, she again closed the show.
Furthermore, once the show was closed, she encouraged me to contact CB support and ask for a refund. I spent a total of 496 tokens if I'm not mistaken.
I've recieved 8minutes of private show recording, but feel free to delete it as its utterly useless. I've created a ticket under the same username and asked CB for a full refund, however it's been 4 days and I have yet to recieve a reply.
CB username: feetandass93 - there is no ticket number.
@punker barbie @AmberCutie

I’m wondering if it’s possible you were unintentionally just a little too pushy and demanding with her each time you initiated a private session…or maybe you rushed her? A lot of us don’t like it when a guy enters a private session, and immediately starts barking orders at us since “the meter is running” and he doesn’t want to spend a lot. Lol.

I remember a private show on ImLive that I hated because the guy was repeatedly blurting out “I want you to cum all over the place!” (Somebody’s been watching too much extreme, overdramatized porn…)…and “Are you gonna cum for me?,” and it was annoying as fuck. I was too nice then…these days I would have said to a guy like that “Omg, dude…please shut the fuck up! And that will never happen!”

You said the model seemed genuinely upset, and with the information you provided she doesn’t seem like a scammer to me with her encouraging you to contact CB for a refund.

 

[feetandass93]

Ladies, as I said, I showed her pictures of what I wanted her to do, and she agreed. I don't know what was going on through her head. Before we started the private, she told me she had to go somewhere, and she would be back in 2hours. I told her I've already been waiting for you and I cannot wait 2 hours, so she picked up her phone and cancelled whatever she had to do, to do our private. I don't know if it was me or something she had going on that made her stop the private and frankly, I do not care. We had an agreement, I was very clear on what was required. For example, in the second private, I asked her to ride a dildo on the floor and showed her images of how I wanted it, she agreed. However, when the time came, she put some plate under the dildo, and I asked her to remove it, because I wanted to hear her butt cheeks clapping the ground as she squatted on the dildo, as I previously showed her. She did not like this and stopped the private again. Furthermore, please take your racism and pedophile talk elsewhere, me personally I watch some anime, and I find ahegao to be a very submissive act of a woman, kind of like a dog who looks up to you as a master, waiting for their food, drooling mouth, the eyes etc... you get what i'm saying.
And no I did not rush her, I am very fond of extremly long private shows 3-4 hours to get exactly what I want, how I want it. I do ask for alot tho, I know that. And some models don't like it, that's why I make sure they understand exactly what I want before a show.
Anyway CB support waiting on you.

 

[MarieElise]

Ladies, as I said, I showed her pictures of what I wanted her to do, and she agreed. I don't know what was going on through her head. Before we started the private, she told me she had to go somewhere, and she would be back in 2hours. I told her I've already been waiting for you and I cannot wait 2 hours, so she picked up her phone and cancelled whatever she had to do, to do our private. I don't know if it was me or something she had going on that made her stop the private and frankly, I do not care. We had an agreement, I was very clear on what was required. For example, in the second private, I asked her to ride a dildo on the floor and showed her images of how I wanted it, she agreed. However, when the time came, she put some plate under the dildo, and I asked her to remove it, because I wanted to hear her butt cheeks clapping the ground as she squatted on the dildo, as I previously showed her. She did not like this and stopped the private again. Furthermore, please take your racism and pedophile talk elsewhere, me personally I watch some anime, and I find ahegao to be a very submissive act of a woman, kind of like a dog who looks up to you as a master, waiting for their food, drooling mouth, the eyes etc... you get what i'm saying.
And no I did not rush her, I am very fond of extremly long private shows 3-4 hours to get exactly what I want, how I want it. I do ask for alot tho, I know that. And some models don't like it, that's why I make sure they understand exactly what I want before a show.
Anyway CB support waiting on you.

Yeah son, it's not "our racism and pedophile talk" it's the reality behind the fetish that you openly and admittedly enjoy. Sorry you don't like that, but you should really research your fetishes first. Or did you actually already know that, and just don't like that I brought it up out in the open? We didn't imagine this history.
Also in this social climate buddy, likening women to dogs, isn't very cool, or score you any likability points.

You don't sound very knowledgeable or dominant to me. That's probably the issue why you turned her off. OTT, with not much to back it up. It's OK, happens a lot. Give yourself a hug. I'm sure you'll get your precious 40 bucks back, that you worked super hard for, at your super Alpha dominant job lol

Micromanaging isn't a turn on, nor is it genuinely dominant.

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

Hi,
I had a private show with a model where she did not preform the actions that were agreed upon. She asked me for a pretip of 400 tokens for all the actions and once the private show started she preformed none of the agreed actions. We had a show for 3 minutes, then she closed it because I asked her to do ahegao face like I wanted. (keep in mind I provided her pictures of exactly what I wanted, prior to the show.) I pleaded with her as I had already payed the 400 tokens for some other actions so she agreed to another private, where she just seemed genuinely frustrated and upset. Once again, I asked her to preform the actions as per the pictures I showed her and we agreed upon before the private, she again closed the show.
Furthermore, once the show was closed, she encouraged me to contact CB support and ask for a refund. I spent a total of 496 tokens if I'm not mistaken.
I've recieved 8minutes of private show recording, but feel free to delete it as its utterly useless. I've created a ticket under the same username and asked CB for a full refund, however it's been 4 days and I have yet to recieve a reply.
CB username: feetandass93 - there is no ticket number.
@punker barbie @AmberCutie

Holy fuck I would never do that for anyone at any price.

 

[yummybrownfox]

Ladies, as I said, I showed her pictures of what I wanted her to do, and she agreed. I don't know what was going on through her head. Before we started the private, she told me she had to go somewhere, and she would be back in 2hours. I told her I've already been waiting for you and I cannot wait 2 hours, so she picked up her phone and cancelled whatever she had to do, to do our private. I don't know if it was me or something she had going on that made her stop the private and frankly, I do not care. We had an agreement, I was very clear on what was required. For example, in the second private, I asked her to ride a dildo on the floor and showed her images of how I wanted it, she agreed. However, when the time came, she put some plate under the dildo, and I asked her to remove it, because I wanted to hear her butt cheeks clapping the ground as she squatted on the dildo, as I previously showed her. She did not like this and stopped the private again. Furthermore, please take your racism and pedophile talk elsewhere, me personally I watch some anime, and I find ahegao to be a very submissive act of a woman, kind of like a dog who looks up to you as a master, waiting for their food, drooling mouth, the eyes etc... you get what i'm saying.
And no I did not rush her, I am very fond of extremly long private shows 3-4 hours to get exactly what I want, how I want it. I do ask for alot tho, I know that. And some models don't like it, that's why I make sure they understand exactly what I want before a show.
Anyway CB support waiting on you.

Yeah, a 3-4 hour private show with a picky guy who asks for a lot sounds miserable. More power to the ladies willing to deal with that…..

Not I, said the fox! Sex is supposed to be fun. This shit don’t sound fun…

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Ladies, as I said, I showed her pictures of what I wanted her to do, and she agreed. I don't know what was going on through her head. Before we started the private, she told me she had to go somewhere, and she would be back in 2hours. I told her I've already been waiting for you and I cannot wait 2 hours, so she picked up her phone and cancelled whatever she had to do, to do our private. I don't know if it was me or something she had going on that made her stop the private and frankly, I do not care. We had an agreement, I was very clear on what was required. For example, in the second private, I asked her to ride a dildo on the floor and showed her images of how I wanted it, she agreed. However, when the time came, she put some plate under the dildo, and I asked her to remove it, because I wanted to hear her butt cheeks clapping the ground as she squatted on the dildo, as I previously showed her. She did not like this and stopped the private again. Furthermore, please take your racism and pedophile talk elsewhere, me personally I watch some anime, and I find ahegao to be a very submissive act of a woman, kind of like a dog who looks up to you as a master, waiting for their food, drooling mouth, the eyes etc... you get what i'm saying.
And no I did not rush her, I am very fond of extremly long private shows 3-4 hours to get exactly what I want, how I want it. I do ask for alot tho, I know that. And some models don't like it, that's why I make sure they understand exactly what I want before a show.
Anyway CB support waiting on you.

as a “dominant” I am sure you understand that consent can be withdrawn at any time, for any reason.

Why would you want someone to perform something when they no longer consented?? “Frankly I do not care” - tbh I don’t either, the why doesn’t matter..I just don’t appreciate you calling a model revoking consent and encouraging a refund a scam.

I understand wanting your money back but this model has no way to do that, she’s advised you to go through support. So stop calling it a scam.

She agreed to something. She changed her mind, as is her right and you are requesting a refund, as is your right.

Sit back and be patient….

You sound like a nightmare client. For a model and for cb support lol

 

[Smoothie]

Before we started the private, she told me she had to go somewhere, and she would be back in 2hours. I told her I've already been waiting for you and I cannot wait 2 hours, so she picked up her phone and cancelled whatever she had to do, to do our private. I don't know if it was me or something she had going on that made her stop the private and frankly, I do not care. We had an agreement, I was very clear on what was required. For example, in the second private, I asked her to ride a dildo on the floor and showed her images of how I wanted it, she agreed. However, when the time came, she put some plate under the dildo, and I asked her to remove it, because I wanted to hear her butt cheeks clapping the ground as she squatted on the dildo, as I previously showed her. She did not like this and stopped the private again. Furthermore, please take your racism and pedophile talk elsewhere, me personally I watch some anime, and I find ahegao to be a very submissive act of a woman, kind of like a dog who looks up to you as a master, waiting for their food, drooling mouth, the eyes etc... you get what i'm saying.
And no I did not rush her, I am very fond of extremly long private shows 3-4 hours to get exactly what I want, how I want it. I do ask for alot tho, I know that. And some models don't like it, that's why I make sure they understand exactly what I want before a show.
Anyway CB support waiting on you.

Have you ever needed to take a sick day or personal day at whatever your job is? I have. I bet everyone else has, too. Sometimes you just don’t feel well enough to work.

Have you considered maybe she simply wasn’t up to it, for reasons perhaps too personal to fill you in on?

You say you don’t care about the reason, but really, the reason isn’t the point. Because no reason is needed for a model to say no, even if previously agreed upon. I’m just pointing out a (very possible) scenario where, believe it or not, what happened might have had nothing at all to do with you, and was perhaps unavoidable.

And she freely directed you where to go for a refund, which you will more than likely get… so what exactly is your problem here, dude?

 

[bamdicted]

Before we started the private, she told me she had to go somewhere, and she would be back in 2hours. I told her I've already been waiting for you and I cannot wait 2 hours, so she picked up her phone and cancelled whatever she had to do, to do our private.

And no I did not rush her,

I hope you realize that you are contradicting yourself, and I know you might say 'but I didn't rush her in the private', but you rushed(/pressured) her into the private and made her cancel plans she had, on top of which you wanted her to act out what seems like a very scripted session.

Be happy that the model encouraged you to contact support for a refund, have a bit of patience with support, and maybe ease up on the rushing models and presenting storyboards for your private sessions.

In short this is the opposite of getting scammed.

 

[cbhours]

If a model wants to issue a refund the model should reach out to support as it's better for both parties

 

[LaceyRoyce]

If a model wants to issue a refund the model should reach out to support as it's better for both parties

Sure but this guy was such an ass to her about it, why should she

 

[Hildiesub]

Interesting. I read these posts to get a heads up about things that I might encounter. I certainly understand having second thoughts about something after agreeing to do it, so I would cut the model some slack and its clear that CB support has procedures for refunds. I had no problem finding how to do it on their "support" page.
More importantly, for me at least, is to know what to do if anyone ever asks me to do a "Ahegao" face. My internet search seems to say nothing about racism other than its origin in Japanese porn. Likewise you have to search pretty hard to find references that say the facial expression itself is associated with pedophiles. Most discomfort in that arena stems from anime. Notice that I said "discomfort" without any accusations. In any case, the facial expression looks kind of fun to perform, so unless presented with additional and convincing evidence I would say it's OK for *Me* to perform it with a clear conscience.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Interesting. I read these posts to get a heads up about things that I might encounter. I certainly understand having second thoughts about something after agreeing to do it, so I would cut the model some slack and its clear that CB support has procedures for refunds. I had no problem finding how to do it on their "support" page.
More importantly, for me at least, is to know what to do if anyone ever asks me to do a "Ahegao" face. My internet search seems to say nothing about racism other than its origin in Japanese porn. Likewise you have to search pretty hard to find references that say the facial expression itself is associated with pedophiles. Most discomfort in that arena stems from anime. Notice that I said "discomfort" without any accusations. In any case, the facial expression looks kind of fun to perform, so unless presented with additional and convincing evidence I would say it's OK for *Me* to perform it with a clear conscience.

I’m not commenting on your decision to perform or not perform this, and possibly this will veer us off into what should be another thread but if you google the term aheago + racist or racism you get pages upon pages of results discussing it. I’m not sure how you are not able to find this- there are academic papers popping up discussing it.

to anyone thinking about whether or not to perform something like this it’s not just about your own opinion of the matter, or the opinion of the people who are impacted, but additionally when you do something like this publically there is a brand image issue to consider as well.

Just because you personally feel ok about doing something will not stop you from being cancelled on social media… so be cautious

(something I think about when I do hypno fetish stuff which often involves similar facial expressions but from a completely different context is how I will handle it if it is published and taken out of context)

 

[Hildiesub]

@LaceyRoyce
I initially wanted to avoid bias by looking at the origins and definitions of the term to decide for myself. Certainly if I seek controversy I'll find it. After all, there are people who think that being a cam model encourages sexist thinking. Everything is a balancing act between different opinions. After reading the post earlier I playfully did a Ahegao expression or two just for fun in my Chaturbate show today. It kind of made me laugh, which is a good thing. I'll just not call it Ahegao. Agreed: this is getting off topic, but I'll take your advice and actually try to see what is ruffling feathers about it. Thanks

 

[Slapstick]

The way it was explained to me is that it is racist due not just to it's pedophilic orgins but it's pedophilic orgins focused on one specific race of children.

I don't believe ahegao, as it originated, had anything to do with pedophilia; that came later. The term originated in 1960's Japanese erotic art [1]. Due to Japan's censorship laws artists were forced to come up with "innovative" ways to show the character (usually a woman) was achieving orgasm. The ridiculous facial expression is what they came up with. However, modern meme culture and the incels tend to ruin everything. Sort of like how the alt-right took Pepe The Frog and turned it into a symbol of hate much to the original artist's dismay.

if you google the term aheago + racist or racism you get pages upon pages of results discussing it.

But you can take any term and search for it + racism and get pages and pages of results. As an experiment I just did a search for "banana + racism" and TIL that banana is a racist slur in some Asian countries (it means yellow on the outside and white on the inside). I hope that doesn't make my dancing banana emoji racist!

1. https://otaku.fandom.com/wiki/Ahegao

 

[MarieElise]

I don't believe ahegao, as it originated, had anything to do with pedophilia; that came later. The term originated in 1960's Japanese erotic art [1]. Due to Japan's censorship laws artists were forced to come up with "innovative" ways to show the character (usually a woman) was achieving orgasm. The ridiculous facial expression is what they came up with. However, modern meme culture and the incels tend to ruin everything. Sort of like how the alt-right took Pepe The Frog and turned it into a symbol of hate much to the original artist's dismay.


But you can take any term and search for it + racism and get pages and pages of results. As an experiment I just did a search for "banana + racism" and TIL that banana is a racist slur in some Asian countries (it means yellow on the outside and white on the inside). I hope that doesn't make my dancing banana emoji racist!

1. https://otaku.fandom.com/wiki/Ahegao

I'm not interested in this thread anymore. I left this thread ages ago, and would appreciate no longer being tagged or replied to in this one. It's gross and negative, and I have better things to do. I hate how so many of the male members here charge to defend gross stuff. But what's new

Miss me with the replies unless I'm active at that time in a thread please and thank you.

This bullshit turns my fucking stomach, and I don't need it brought back up, or to be a current focus of thought. And anyone who's into that, miss my fucking room while you're at it. Cheers.
I don't have anything against you Slapstick, but if you feel like mental debate, please do it with me on another lighter topic, that doesn't repulse me, elsewhere.

 

[Slapstick]

I wasn't defending anything. I was sharing information based on the FUD I've seen posted. Just because you find something gross and negative does automatically make it so for everyone else. I personally find it ridiculous, but apparently a large chunk of the camming world disagress with both of us.

 

[MarieElise]

I wasn't defending anything. I was sharing information based on the FUD I've seen posted. Just because you find something gross and negative does automatically make it so for everyone else. I personally find it ridiculous, but apparently a large chunk of the camming world disagress with both of us.

Again. Please listen and respect the boundary I just set!

Miss me with the replies unless I'm active at that time in a thread please and thank you.

This bullshit turns my fucking stomach, and I don't need it brought back up, or to be a current focus of thought. And anyone who's into that, miss my fucking room while you're at it. Cheers.
I don't have anything against you Slapstick, but if you feel like mental debate, please do it with me on another lighter topic, that doesn't repulse me, elsewhere.

 

[Slapstick]

I apologize (sincerely). I thought you had left the thread which is why I didn't tag you in my reply. I'll go find a thread on "Does Pineapple belong on Pizza" (of course it does) and debate you there.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I don't believe ahegao, as it originated, had anything to do with pedophilia; that came later. The term originated in 1960's Japanese erotic art [1]. Due to Japan's censorship laws artists were forced to come up with "innovative" ways to show the character (usually a woman) was achieving orgasm. The ridiculous facial expression is what they came up with. However, modern meme culture and the incels tend to ruin everything. Sort of like how the alt-right took Pepe The Frog and turned it into a symbol of hate much to the original artist's dismay.


But you can take any term and search for it + racism and get pages and pages of results. As an experiment I just did a search for "banana + racism" and TIL that banana is a racist slur in some Asian countries (it means yellow on the outside and white on the inside). I hope that doesn't make my dancing banana emoji racist!

1. https://otaku.fandom.com/wiki/Ahegao

My point was the other poster said:

“My internet search seems to say nothing about racism other than its origin in Japanese porn.”

And I was confused because it’s very easy to find the racism claims if you search.

I’m not weighing in on the value of those claims, just that they exist and are easily located.

I find it really frustrating when I say things that are simply meant to inform or add clarity and somehow people take this to mean something else.

 

[Slapstick]

I find it really frustrating when I say things that are simply meant to inform or add clarity and somehow people take this to mean something else.

I feel your pain.

 

[MaLiNka__]

A person who has been in webcam lol for 8 years and has never heard the name of this facial expression... And I won’t even mention that this is somehow miraculously connected to racism.
But the joke with the banana is cool)

 

[MarieElise]

I apologize (sincerely). I thought you had left the thread which is why I didn't tag you in my reply. I'll go find a thread on "Does Pineapple belong on Pizza" (of course it does) and debate you there.

But you were still talking to me, personally, regardless of whether you hit reply or not. Because you stated this (see below)..

Just because you find something gross and negative does automatically make it so for everyone else. I personally find it ridiculous, but apparently a large chunk of the camming world disagress with both of us.

The "you" here, is me, so that's still talking to me in this thread!
and yes, ofcourse just because I find certain things stomach churning doesn't mean anyone else does. However it does mean I can disengage and choose to leave, without being beckoned back.

Anyways I'll accept your apology, but only because you put sincerely in parenthesis, which was sweet
I am more than happy to talk to you about more light-hearted topics, that are a little less charged.
I'm having fun, I have no conflicts going with a single person in my life, and I want, at least for a few days to avoid all that ugliness, out there.
And to me, there are many aspects of this thread and OPs behavior which are ugly af, and repulsive.

If you can come up with something more exhilarating than pineapple on pizzas, but less dark than this topic, I will more than happily respond to you.
But not army stuff, I don't share that interest you have in the military and battle. That makes me want to shoot myself in the head also.
Thank you Slapstick, and Merry Xmas/ Happy Holidays (whichever applies to you).

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I feel your pain.

No, you think you do but you don’t.