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It has come to my attention that many people believe that "reverse racism" does not exist. I think the term is pretty dumb since "reverse" would mean no racism at all. But ignore the phrase and just know it means racism against white people. I'm really not sure why some people don't believe it can exist. What are your thoughts on this? Is it a real thing? Is it impossible for other races to be racist against white people?
 
It's definitely a real thing, but it's not offensive. I've had it used on me playfully and aggressively. I've never let myself be offended by it, but it annoys me. It's like it's okay to be racist against a race just because they once exploited your race?! It makes no sense, but at the same time it just lightly annoys me when I witness it and then I go on about my day.
 
Fay_Galore said:
isn't racism just the act of categorising people because of their race?
How is 'reversed racism' then only towards white people? isn't discriminating against white people as a category, just plain old 'racism' too?
Yes, which is why I said to ignore the stupid phrase.
 
I've experienced this a number of times from First Nations (Americans call them American Indians) people in my region, ranging from becoming the target of vicious slurs from passing strangers to actually having an impact on me professionally when I've tried to collaborate/submit quotes for work and even VOLUNTEER with FN organizations. Racism is a huge issue where I live, and the FN people certainly receive more than they dish out on the whole, but it's a major point of pissiness for me that some groups, and many individuals, don't seem even vaguely interested in mending those bridges.

I've known a few teachers, police officers, medical professionals who have wanted to work in rural communities with high FN demographics and who were turned away because the communities weren't welcoming to white people in these positions... I've also heard some very scary stories from people who have managed to gain employment in these regions and felt genuinely unsafe and victimized by the treatment they received.
 
I always think it's super bizarre when white people expect that they're never the targets of racism. The term reverse racism shows how blase caucasian people are allowed to be on the subject. But, most people haven't lived in diverse places, maybe? Where I am from, the demographic is pretty much split down the middle 50% white/ 50% black give or take. I've had my ass kicked no less than 5 times just for being white and hanging out with the wrong dude or being on the wrong street/in the wrong store/in the wrong bar. Other races can be just as hateful. If racism wasn't prevalent among all races, it would be a lot easier to change, wouldn't it?

That said, racism doesn't effect white people the same way it does minorities. Sure, I've had a few busted lips, but my job application isn't moved to the bottom of the pile because my name sounds too black. I'm not followed by police for walking down my street. People with white skin don't make up the majority of humans in jail etc. So, that's important to keep in perspective.
 
I feel like if you don't believe people can be racist against white people, either
A. You are not white
Or
B. You've never lived in an area where you are the minority.

But I agree with Jicky! It's definitely not the same extent in most places, but to say it does not exist at all? Makes me wonder where these people were raised. I went to a mostly Hispanic school. I can definitely say, that I have been targeted from my skin color, alone.
 
AmyLemon said:
I've also heard some very scary stories from people who have managed to gain employment in these regions and felt genuinely unsafe and victimized by the treatment they received.
I have heard and see this myself, a female RN I know worked in a couple of northern "reserves" for 6 years, some of the stories she used to tell us when she got her days off and traveled back to the city would rattle anyone. The turnover rate for most RN's up there was 2-3 months.

@PlayboyMegan have you been reading blogs on Tumblr? :lol:

#sjw #culturalappropriation #racism
 
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CallMeWilliam said:
AmyLemon said:
I've also heard some very scary stories from people who have managed to gain employment in these regions and felt genuinely unsafe and victimized by the treatment they received.
I have heard and see this myself, a female RN I know worked in a couple of northern "reserves" for 6 years, some of the stories she used to tell us when she got her days off and traveled back to the city would rattle anyone. The turnover rate for most RN's up there was 2-3 months.

@PlayboyMegan have you been reading blogs on Tumblr? :lol:

#sjw #culturalappropriation #racism
I've seen a few dumb ones. Tumblr seems to attract extremely radical people.
Then I saw a whole article on why racism towards whites doesn't exist on FB, posted by a white person.
 
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I have always thought the term reverse racism is racist. Also I do not think two wrongs make a right, so discriminating against people who never did anything wrong is also wrong. All it does is instill hatred in a new generation of people. At some point someone has to be a grown up, and say I want the world to be better than I found it.
 
racism isn't just individual acts of prejudice, though. racism is prejudice + societal power. nobody's saying that discrimination against white people isn't wrong, it's just not racism, since, as a few of you have mentioned, we have the power in our society as a whole. :twocents-02cents:

i'm not really interested in debating this because it usually just ends up with one side copy/pasting dictionary definitions and the other side yelling that dictionary definitions aren't always correct and blah blah blah. arguing about words gets kind of ridiculous :lol: i just wanted to clarify why people don't believe that reverse racism exists.
 
AprilPhantom said:
racism isn't just individual acts of prejudice, though. racism is prejudice + societal power. nobody's saying that discrimination against white people isn't wrong, it's just not racism, since, as a few of you have mentioned, we have the power in our society as a whole. :twocents-02cents:

i'm not really interested in debating this because it usually just ends up with one side copy/pasting dictionary definitions and the other side yelling that dictionary definitions aren't always correct and blah blah blah. arguing about words gets kind of ridiculous :lol: i just wanted to clarify why people don't believe that reverse racism exists.
If societal power is the deciding factor, then I would say a black man can certainly be racist against a white woman. Women are undeniably the most persecuted group on the planet. Black men voted before any women. A black man was president of our country before any women. Having a wang definitely buys more power than the color of your skin. I might be misunderstanding what is meant by prejudice + societal power though? I don't know. That definition kind of sounds like a way of keeping people oppressed... like if you're the minority you can only be a victim and you don't have the power to change anything regarding racism. It's kind of like saying men can't be hurt by patriarchy or women can't be misogynists and they certainly can be.
 
JickyJuly said:
AprilPhantom said:
racism isn't just individual acts of prejudice, though. racism is prejudice + societal power. nobody's saying that discrimination against white people isn't wrong, it's just not racism, since, as a few of you have mentioned, we have the power in our society as a whole. :twocents-02cents:

i'm not really interested in debating this because it usually just ends up with one side copy/pasting dictionary definitions and the other side yelling that dictionary definitions aren't always correct and blah blah blah. arguing about words gets kind of ridiculous :lol: i just wanted to clarify why people don't believe that reverse racism exists.

If societal power is the deciding factor, then I would say a black man can certainly be racist against a white woman. Women are undeniably the most persecuted group on the planet. Black men voted before any women. A black man was president of our country before any women. Having a wang definitely buys more power than the color of your skin. I might be misunderstanding what is meant by prejudice + societal power though?

sexism and racism are two different things, and people can definitely be privileged in one way but oppressed in another! a black man could be sexist against a white woman, but a white woman could be racist against a black man, if that makes sense.
 
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It makes absolutely no sense to me when people think that just because someone is a minority it means they cannot discriminate against a white person. If you make a negative remark against someone because of his/her race, no matter what race you are, you just said something racist. I don't care if you're white, black, purple, or red. Just like crimes against white people are never referred to or charged as hate crimes even though I'm sure many of them are. Everyone should be held to the same standard when it comes to racism. No one should get a free pass.
 
AudreyMyers said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me when people think that just because someone is a minority it means they cannot discriminate against a white person.

Isn't that the distinction April is talking about? That people aren't saying you can't discriminate against white people, but that discrimination is different from racism? It's basically an argument of semantics, imo.
 
GenXoxo said:
AudreyMyers said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me when people think that just because someone is a minority it means they cannot discriminate against a white person.

Isn't that the distinction April is talking about? That people aren't saying you can't discriminate against white people, but that discrimination is different from racism? It's basically an argument of semantics, imo.
But... isn't calling it a different name based on the color of the person's skin racist? *runs around in circles* Hehehe. I don't know. I'm not very good at being politically correct, and I'm not very interested in wording things the most polite way, but it seems like you guys saying there are different degrees of racism so not all of them count as much? That feels kind of icky. While I have admitted that the hate I've gotten for being a white girl just got me battered up a bit and didn't ruin my life, I feel like it definitely counts as much as if a black girl gets smacked down for her skin color. That girl's in the same boat. Why can't it have the same name? And, if it can't have the same name because she's black and I'm not, is that really helping anything?
 
While I don't think I've ever been a target of racism (I tend to walk around with my headphones cranked, so, for all I know, I could be and am just blissfully unaware), it exists and to say otherwise would be foolish. Even when I lived in neighborhoods that were predominantly black, I never had an issue, unless you count creepy men creeping on me, but that's not a race thing, it's a having tits thing. Or maybe not, I tend to have a lot more black guys hit on me than any other race, regardless of where I am, so they could be targeting me or it could be purely coincidental. I don't know. I just confused myself.




I was once accused of "reverse racism" for sharing that story on Facebook about the old white lady who bitches about being sat next to a black guy on the plane, so the flight attendant apologizes and moves the guy. I was yelled at because "nobody is THAT racist anymore." Anyone who thinks that has never met my grandpa, holy shit, he hates everybody who's not white and Catholic. He called my sister "trash" for taking a mixed friend to prom. This kid's basically our brother, we've known him since he was an infant and we all grew up together. He's been at all of our birthdays, and every time my grandpa would bitch about him being there and use every racial slur in the book because he can't stand that his grandchildren have a best friend who has a black dad. Because I know someone who is, in fact, THAT racist, I didn't see anything wrong with the story and just found it amusing, because it's something I could see happening and think the flight attendant's response is a great way of handling such a situation. Dealing with a racist old white person is a normal part of my life, so, in my view, saying that old white people are racist is a fact, not a racist statement. I never saw my other grandparents much as a kid, so while the others probably aren't racist, the one that I've spent the most time around is, and that's what's affected my view on this.

Yes, the story is likely made-up, but I don't feel that it is, as the girl accused, "made up solely for the purpose of perpetuating hate against old white people." I'll admit that it probably seems that way to people who didn't grow up around racist grandparents. I feel that, when it comes to this kind of racism, it's touchy and dependent on a person's individual experience in life.



I used to think that white people should just shut the fuck up about racism, because we have so many privileges that it's not a big deal. I don't feel that way anymore, as the fact that one group of people was assholes to another in the past is no excuse for the other group to turn past actions back on the first group. Being a jerk because someone looks different is never OK.
 
JickyJuly said:
GenXoxo said:
AudreyMyers said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me when people think that just because someone is a minority it means they cannot discriminate against a white person.

Isn't that the distinction April is talking about? That people aren't saying you can't discriminate against white people, but that discrimination is different from racism? It's basically an argument of semantics, imo.
And, if it can't have the same name because she's black and I'm not, is that really helping anything?
Such a great point!!
 
JickyJuly said:
GenXoxo said:
AudreyMyers said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me when people think that just because someone is a minority it means they cannot discriminate against a white person.

Isn't that the distinction April is talking about? That people aren't saying you can't discriminate against white people, but that discrimination is different from racism? It's basically an argument of semantics, imo.

But... isn't calling it a different name based on the color of the person's skin racist? *runs around in circles* Hehehe. I don't know. I'm not very good at being politically correct, and I'm not very interested in wording things the most polite way, but it seems like you guys saying there are different degrees of racism so not all of them count as much? That feels kind of icky. While I have admitted that the hate I've gotten for being a white girl just got me battered up a bit and didn't ruin my life, I feel like it definitely counts as much as if a black girl gets smacked down for her skin color. That girl's in the same boat. Why can't it have the same name? And, if it can't have the same name because she's black and I'm not, is that really helping anything?

no, i wasn't trying to say that there are different degrees of racism. i was saying that there is no such thing as racism against white people at all. you said in your first post that while you've experienced acts of prejudice, you haven't been denied jobs, put in prison, etc because of your skin color - that's what i'm talking about. you're not discriminated against by society as a whole, so you're not a victim of racism. imo it's definitely helpful to differentiate between prejudice and racism, since racism can also include the more subtle parts of oppression that we as white people don't experience!

and again, i specifically said that discrimination against white people is still not okay. it's just not the same when it's not backed up by society.
 
AprilPhantom said:
JickyJuly said:
GenXoxo said:
AudreyMyers said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me when people think that just because someone is a minority it means they cannot discriminate against a white person.

Isn't that the distinction April is talking about? That people aren't saying you can't discriminate against white people, but that discrimination is different from racism? It's basically an argument of semantics, imo.

But... isn't calling it a different name based on the color of the person's skin racist? *runs around in circles* Hehehe. I don't know. I'm not very good at being politically correct, and I'm not very interested in wording things the most polite way, but it seems like you guys saying there are different degrees of racism so not all of them count as much? That feels kind of icky. While I have admitted that the hate I've gotten for being a white girl just got me battered up a bit and didn't ruin my life, I feel like it definitely counts as much as if a black girl gets smacked down for her skin color. That girl's in the same boat. Why can't it have the same name? And, if it can't have the same name because she's black and I'm not, is that really helping anything?

no, i wasn't trying to say that there are different degrees of racism. i was saying that there is no such thing as racism against white people at all. you said in your first post that while you've experienced acts of prejudice, you haven't been denied jobs, put in prison, etc because of your skin color - that's what i'm talking about. you're not discriminated against by society as a whole, so you're not a victim of racism. imo it's definitely helpful to differentiate between prejudice and racism, since racism can also include the more subtle parts of oppression that we as white people don't experience!

and again, i specifically said that discrimination against white people is still not okay. it's just not the same when it's not backed up by society.
So let's say that someone is denied a job because they're white. I'm sure it has happened some where in the world. Would that suddenly make racism against whites exit? Or because it doesn't happen daily, it is not allowed that name?
Or does racism against white people just not exist in the US? Because I'm sure there are countries where white people are the minorities and are heavily discriminated against. Would the word "racism" still not be appropriate in those cases, in your opinion?
 
PlayboyMegan said:
AprilPhantom said:
JickyJuly said:
GenXoxo said:
AudreyMyers said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me when people think that just because someone is a minority it means they cannot discriminate against a white person.

Isn't that the distinction April is talking about? That people aren't saying you can't discriminate against white people, but that discrimination is different from racism? It's basically an argument of semantics, imo.

But... isn't calling it a different name based on the color of the person's skin racist? *runs around in circles* Hehehe. I don't know. I'm not very good at being politically correct, and I'm not very interested in wording things the most polite way, but it seems like you guys saying there are different degrees of racism so not all of them count as much? That feels kind of icky. While I have admitted that the hate I've gotten for being a white girl just got me battered up a bit and didn't ruin my life, I feel like it definitely counts as much as if a black girl gets smacked down for her skin color. That girl's in the same boat. Why can't it have the same name? And, if it can't have the same name because she's black and I'm not, is that really helping anything?

no, i wasn't trying to say that there are different degrees of racism. i was saying that there is no such thing as racism against white people at all. you said in your first post that while you've experienced acts of prejudice, you haven't been denied jobs, put in prison, etc because of your skin color - that's what i'm talking about. you're not discriminated against by society as a whole, so you're not a victim of racism. imo it's definitely helpful to differentiate between prejudice and racism, since racism can also include the more subtle parts of oppression that we as white people don't experience!

and again, i specifically said that discrimination against white people is still not okay. it's just not the same when it's not backed up by society.
So let's say that someone is denied a job because they're white. I'm sure it has happened some where in the world. Would that suddenly make racism against whites exit? Or because it doesn't happen daily, it is not allowed that name?
Or does racism against white people just not exist in the US? Because I'm sure there are countries where white people are the minorities and are heavily discriminated against. Would the word "racism" still not be appropriate in those cases, in your opinion?

yeah, i'm talking about the united states here!
it's not just individual acts, like i said. it's all those individual acts, more subtle acts, unconscious prejudices that we all have, + other stuff, woven together and mutated over hundreds of years. sorry if that was gibberish haha, it's hard to explain! racism is really complicated and my original definition was pretty simplistic.
 
Just seems weird to me. "Like yea a person discriminated against you based off your race, but you're white. And it doesn't happen that often. And it's not as bad as going to jail over it. So you need to find another word to describe it, even if the dictionary clearly defines it as such. Ignore the dictionary. Your problems aren't bad enough to label it racism."
Like what if we did that for everything? "Yea, a woman inappropriately touched a kid. But it doesn't happen that often. And she didn't fully rape him, just touch. So let's not call her a pedophile. We need to give her a similar title, regardless of what the dictionary says."
 
Prejudice is making unfair judgements, decisions, and assumptions based on someones race/ethnicity/religion, etc. Example: "She didn't date Noah because he is jewish and jews are cheap." or "I am not going to hire that mexican to do my taxes because they are only good at landscaping."

Getting your ass kicked because of your "race" is "racism". If a white person kicked a black persons ass because they were black that would be a hate crime, and racism. I'm not sure what all this talk is about it not being racism and being just prejudice.

Just because society oppresses one race more than the other does not negate a racist act against the unoppressed.
 
All people are capable of racism, regardless of their own race. When people claim otherwise, I'm never sure if they're just an idiot, or if they have a social or political agenda for doing so.

The racism I notice most against white people is media commentary. Vast majority of media discussion of race issues in the United States tends to disregard any racism towards white people. Maybe it just doesn't draw ratings. But it is socially acceptable for people of any race to refer to a white person as white, the white man, cracker, etc... Not Caucasian American, European American, or something like that. But a black person needs to be referred to as African American by a white person, or you're not being politically correct and may be called a racist. The way people describe other people should always follow the same process. If someone goes by location they may be from, then they should always do the same for all people. If someone goes by the skin color, do the same for all people.

It amazes me how many African American commentators are allowed to say it is alright for them to use the N-word because they are of one race, but not alright for anyone else of another race to use it. Isn't that racism? No different than someone saying you can't use this bathroom because you're not of my same race. It should either be alright for all people to say a word, or nobody should say it. Of course slavery of African Americans is among the worst of all racism in the history of the United States so far. Right up their with the killing of "Native Americans", but it shouldn't excuse racism by those races against others for all eternity.
 
Racism against whites happens all the time and is quite present in various facets of our society. Of course we have good people and inherently bad people. Everyone judges one another from what they see at face value.. versus what a person represents within their character.
 
I have no real contribution to this thread (agree with pretty much everything said), but I'm here to say that I'm glad to see that you guys aren't even remotely like the folks over at a place called Oh No They Didn't.
 
PetitGatinha said:
I have no real contribution to this thread (agree with pretty much everything said), but I'm here to say that I'm glad to see that you guys aren't even remotely like the folks over at a place called Oh No They Didn't.

HAHAHAHA OMG. Yes! I go there too and oh my gosh. They're the reason I even started thinking about racism toward white people. I cannot believe some of the things they say.. :woops:
 
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AudreyMyers said:
PetitGatinha said:
I have no real contribution to this thread (agree with pretty much everything said), but I'm here to say that I'm glad to see that you guys aren't even remotely like the folks over at a place called Oh No They Didn't.

HAHAHAHA OMG. Yes! I go there too and oh my gosh. They're the reason I even started thinking about racism toward white people. I cannot believe some of the things they say.. :woops:

I'm glad (but kind of surprised) I'm not the only ONTDer here :lol:
 
GenXoxo said:
AudreyMyers said:
HAHAHAHA OMG. Yes! I go there too and oh my gosh. They're the reason I even started thinking about racism toward white people. I cannot believe some of the things they say.. :woops:

I'm glad (but kind of surprised) I'm not the only ONTDer here :lol:

I'm glad too! Especially because you don't see many people with reasonable opinions on polemic topics like racism. Although I think that's more because we don't dare speak against the absurd things people say over there. :p
 
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AprilPhantom said:
yeah, i'm talking about the united states here!
it's not just individual acts, like i said. it's all those individual acts, more subtle acts, unconscious prejudices that we all have, + other stuff, woven together and mutated over hundreds of years. sorry if that was gibberish haha, it's hard to explain! racism is really complicated and my original definition was pretty simplistic.
There are places in the United States where white people are not the majority. This is my hometown. Black people make up more than half of the population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint,_Michigan#Demographics
I think I might be understanding your point now, though. Is it your belief that racism is a society issue and that individual acts are acts of prejudice while racism must be something done by a majority of people? I'm sorry if my questions sound patronizing or stupid. I'm just really curious about this racism can't go both ways line of thinking.
 
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