- Aug 21, 2011
- 1,301
- 3,546
- 81
Chellelovesu said:BlueViolet said:Chellelovesu said:I'd say bestiality is a breaking point because its abuse to an animal.
I'd actually be pretty upset if someone said they saw bestiality on camera and didn't report it.
My dog tries to hump me all the time, penis fully extended, knocking me all the way over because he's huge. If I was naked and he actually managed to push inside me, I doubt he'd be screaming and whimpering with abuse. There is a LOT worse things humans do to animals that is socially accepted that I'd consider abuse over a dog getting off.
I think there's a difference between "oh my dog landed the right way" (hugely unlikely, btw) and using animals for sexual gratification.
Much of it actually does hurt the animal as well. Bestiality isn't just a dog humping someone's leg in lots of bad porn cases.
Using any living thing for your sexual gratification that has no way of understanding the complexities of human sexual interaction is always wrong, to me, at least.
:twocents-02cents:
Chellelovesu said:Clarification:hugely unlikely in cases on camera that would be reported as bestiality.
I think it is interesting that you assume that it is hugely unlikely that my dog would land the right way. In know many people haven't been around large, intact dogs, but my dog weighs almost as much as I do. His head is bigger than mine. Humping is something we've had to teach out of him.
I can't count how many times my dog has knocked me over and started humping me. He's not trying to hump my leg. If I bend over to look for something under the couch or bed, if I lean over to grab something out of the laundry basket on the floor, if I'm just standing up in the living room--he used to jump on top of me and lock his arms on my hips and start thrusting with his penis fully out. I won't give you the details, but if I was naked, it most certainly would have gone inside me.
Those aren't accidental, rare cases. He used to do it daily (several times a day when he first hit puberty) before we could break him of that habit and even now it's something he'll occasionally try to pull on us. I've had to have Quinn pull him off on me when he knocked me over on the living room floor on my knees.
If someone wanted to do it on camera, they wouldn't need to molest the dog to get him ready. You simply bend over on all fours and the dog is plenty eager, I assure you. No, dogs do not understand the complexities of human sexual nature--and why should they? They are just doing what feels good to them and I do not consider it abuse at all and never will. Because our moral code says it is wrong doesn't mean that they feel mentally abused from it, and certainly not physically abused from it. So no, I would not report it.
Miss_Lollipop said:Humanely killing an animal as food (survival) or protection (ie. killing a poisonous snake) is not abuse.BobbyB said:BlueViolet said:There is a LOT worse things humans do to animals that is socially accepted that I'd consider abuse over a dog getting off.
I heard that some people even eat them ....
I was not referring to killing an animal as food or protecting ourselves from a poisonous snake.
I was referring to the socially accepted and veterinary pushed practices of tail docking, ear cropping, de-clawing, genital mutilation, extended kenneling (4+ hours daily), euthanization of healthy animals, and veterinarians pushing brands such as Purina or Hill's Science even though they are awfully unhealthy and can cause so many health problems as a sole diet simply because the vet gets kickbacks from selling or endorsing it.
Even de-vocalizing dogs is still in practice in some places. Flea medication is poison that can cause serious long-term affects, but is is suggested we administer it monthly even when there are healthier alternatives to prevent or eradicate an infestation.
These dogs certainly can't consent to these things, but they are subjected to these sorts of things on a regular basis and it's considered perfectly normal even though they can hurt or even kill our pets, but are done in the name of beauty, convenience, or greed.