Reality check

[AmberCutie]

Well there's a difference between reality and being a jerk. And based off of your responses, I'm going to go back to just being a loner cam girl

This place is what you make of it.

Best wishes to you.

 

[Saskia]

I think so many people will be camming by the time the facial recognition stuff comes out that it won't be as shocking or taboo by then.. that's how I think about it to prevent the constant worrying anyway!

 

[Deleted member 27683]

In case nobody's said this, if you want to receive gifts on amazon or something like that, you should set up a PO box with USPS and list your camgirl name as the name of your business. They don't require anything to validate your business, and the mail can be shipped to your PO box with your camgirl name on it.

 

[AmberCutie]

In case nobody's said this, if you want to receive gifts on amazon or something like that, you should set up a PO box with USPS and list your camgirl name as the name of your business. They don't require anything to validate your business, and the mail can be shipped to your PO box with your camgirl name on it.

We have a lot of threads on that subject. The point of this thread is reminding people that anything you put on the Internet stays on the Internet, including recordings of cam girls, no matter what.

 

[Kitt3NextDoor]

Perhaps somewhat strongly stated, but not completely unreasonable.

Some models are 'safer' than others.
Only interesting content stays around.


If you're #854 on Miss MFC, and you do 'vanilla' shows - maybe nobody will be saving it.
Or if they do, they're the type that is saving everything, and probably not indexing it.

The risk is pretty much limited to a pretty small chance of one of your hardcore of fans recognising you in 15 years, and digging out that old, dusty blu-ray of old streams.

For more popular models, or unusualy hot shows, there is likely to be video floating around.

But - in 15 years - who is going to be watching bad quality 320*240 streams, when they could be watching 'fresh' content.

There is another risk though.

While the risk of random fans recognizing you (models, not bawksy (unless he's on some of the mancam sites)) is there, and will always be present, at the moment there is no easy way to search video for particular people.

I would expect this to change in the next 15-30 years.

It's probably already available today in a limited form somewhere - being able to search video for blue eyed females with a C cup, BMI of 18 or whatever, and a scar on their left arm.

But not yet able to take one video clip (say you getting off the plane on the arm of the president (and this time I do mean bawksy) and automatically searching for a 20 years younger person in all stored videos.

I would expect this to change.

It's - probably - unlikely that the whole MFC video archive will leak, so it's not quite as simple as being able to search all of MFC for a matching model to that clip.

Also - while of course they could record everything, and they may record snapshots - and certainly group and private shows, are they really going to be spending around a couple of thousand dollars a day to archive everything?

So - any exposure by this route would depend on how many videos the average person that thought to do the scan had, and how easy it was.

I definitely agree with everything you said there, while the first post was very harsh but true, I also think that models who haven't become one of the top dogs, are relatively safe for the future. I always thought, "If my family ever found out, I would be wondering why they were looking at that sort of content in the first place." LOL

 

[K_Luxxe]

Perhaps somewhat strongly stated, but not completely unreasonable.

Some models are 'safer' than others.
Only interesting content stays around.


If you're #854 on Miss MFC, and you do 'vanilla' shows - maybe nobody will be saving it.
Or if they do, they're the type that is saving everything, and probably not indexing it.

The risk is pretty much limited to a pretty small chance of one of your hardcore of fans recognising you in 15 years, and digging out that old, dusty blu-ray of old streams.

For more popular models, or unusualy hot shows, there is likely to be video floating around.

But - in 15 years - who is going to be watching bad quality 320*240 streams, when they could be watching 'fresh' content.

There is another risk though.

While the risk of random fans recognizing you (models, not bawksy (unless he's on some of the mancam sites)) is there, and will always be present, at the moment there is no easy way to search video for particular people.

I would expect this to change in the next 15-30 years.

It's probably already available today in a limited form somewhere - being able to search video for blue eyed females with a C cup, BMI of 18 or whatever, and a scar on their left arm.

But not yet able to take one video clip (say you getting off the plane on the arm of the president (and this time I do mean bawksy) and automatically searching for a 20 years younger person in all stored videos.

I would expect this to change.

It's - probably - unlikely that the whole MFC video archive will leak, so it's not quite as simple as being able to search all of MFC for a matching model to that clip.

Also - while of course they could record everything, and they may record snapshots - and certainly group and private shows, are they really going to be spending around a couple of thousand dollars a day to archive everything?

So - any exposure by this route would depend on how many videos the average person that thought to do the scan had, and how easy it was.

THANK YOU FOR BEING A LITTLE MORE REALISTIC THAN OP

 

[AmberCutie]

THANK YOU FOR BEING A LITTLE MORE REALISTIC THAN OP

Please do read through the rest of the thread. Fifth makes it sound less scary, sure, but the reality still should be realized: if you broadcast yourself on the internet, the chance you're going to be recorded and shared elsewhere is still there. There are posts all over the place of "less popular" models being surprised when they come across a cap of their show somewhere. They are shocked because they weren't doing anything, they were just sitting there chatting, etc.

It still happens. People who want a sugared down version of the OP because they don't want to face that reality are only hurting themselves. The bottom line is still: Don't get into the industry if you can't handle this happening.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I just found nude photos of mine online from when I cammed briefly under a different name from SEVEN YEARS AGO. I checked out the views and people are still looking at them...

So yeah. I mean you can want people to put it nicely all you want but this thread is called "reality check", not "Dr. Camgirl's Super Groovy Feel-Good Security Remedy".

 

[Camgirl]

I am not a super popular cam girl and I don't even have a twitter, insta, etc; and someone came up to me in New Orleans saying they were fan. I was with a vanilla friend and just claimed she was drunk...

Someone out there will see you and you will make an impression. No matter how popular - if you sell videos, stream, etc. you are out there in the interwebs and there is really little anyone can do to avoid it!

 

[Janelle]

I posted earlier, and am now following up. I worked as an escort for nearly 10 years (mid end; clients would fly me to cities, but never to any islands, HAhHA), and as a Dominatrix for just over 6. This all ended when an accident made me a paraplegic. The internet was not relevant when I started, but was slowly becoming so toward the end. As Amber said: you get in this business, be prepared for your anonymity to become history. Will it? Maybe. And it is that maybe that is SO important IMO. The scariest part is this: WHO discovers your real info. Your full info. The Who can be as passive as your best customer, a guy who is harmless and just loves having a friend to chat with. Or, it could be some unstable individual whose dog tells him to do things. Or it could be family members. Friends. Strangers in your town.

When I started, before the very first night, I made sure I was cool with ANYONE I knew finding out. I had the benefit of not having to care about family (estranged, abuse, etc), I was always open with friends (most in music industry or strippers or in sex industry already... how I had my "in"). I had stripper friends who had dealt with losing their anonymity, having their persona torn open and thrown aside, and subsequently stalked, threatened, harmed, etc. I had a friend in Boston who was murdered by an unstable client (she worked for a less reputable service, I tried so hard to get her to leave).

In the camgirl industry, you are dealing with this one hundred fold easily.Before I started, I actually went through and did a quick bit of Sherlocking on several girls. I was completely blown away at how easily I could find their home addresses, real names, etc. And I am not a stalker! Your FACE is going to end up being more or less permanently available online in association with the sex industry. Period. I started on SM 31 days ago. My private shows have been on various sites, including XVideos, for as long as 3 weeks now. So... one week after appearing on SM, I am all over the place.

Will anyone I know see this stuff? Well, I already told friends I was all over the place, we all laughed, and that was that. But for other girls? Probably a number of them who are not laughing at all. Some crying. Maybe some thinking their life is over, "Oh shit, what have I done?" It is that one time you give in and say go ahead with no condom. It is that one time you get into a car with a friend who has one too many. And the answer will always be the same: MAYBE. Just be aware, it could, and the chances are SOOO much higher if you get into this business. Plan on your identity being associated with this business forever from day one. If that bothers you, walk, or run, the other way. It is NOT for you.

 

[K_Luxxe]

Please do read through the rest of the thread. Fifth makes it sound less scary, sure, but the reality still should be realized: if you broadcast yourself on the internet, the chance you're going to be recorded and shared elsewhere is still there. There are posts all over the place of "less popular" models being surprised when they come across a cap of their show somewhere. They are shocked because they weren't doing anything, they were just sitting there chatting, etc.

It still happens. People who want a sugared down version of the OP because they don't want to face that reality are only hurting themselves. The bottom line is still: Don't get into the industry if you can't handle this happening.

I wasn't disagreeing with the original post, nor did I like the post from Fifth 100%, I just still (as I had originally read the full post and all comments) think this was one that stuck out at me, maybe because this was my own perspective on this as well.

 

[KerriBoy]

I think so many people will be camming by the time the facial recognition stuff comes out that it won't be as shocking or taboo by then.. that's how I think about it to prevent the constant worrying anyway!

-My heart goes out to all the cam girls. Facial Recognition stuff is already here, Wallmart? Look up at the cam as you enter. Actually don't do that, not a good idea... not like it is a big deal. You are just shopping right?

-That is one reason why I Have not been to a Wally world in years. I have never committed a crime before and I have passed so many Full back ground checks for corporate work before, it's not even funny. I just hate Wallmart all together anyways. No one at the Kmart knows about my Bologna. I love Blue Light Specials anyways.

-Guys can just grow a beard. If they have never cammed with full facial hair before. Or the opposite, shave.

 

[ACFFAN69]

-My heart goes out to all the cam girls. Facial Recognition stuff is already here, Wallmart? Look up at the cam as you enter. Actually don't do that, not a good idea... not like it is a big deal. You are just shopping right?

-That is one reason why I Have not been to a Wally world in years. I have never committed a crime before and I have passed so many Full back ground checks for corporate work before, it's not even funny. I just hate Wallmart all together anyways. No one at the Kmart knows about my Bologna. I love Blue Light Specials anyways.

-Guys can just grow a beard. If they have never cammed with full facial hair before. Or the opposite, shave.

Women can cam with a beard as well to avoid facial recognition! For example:
@GweenBlack

@ConnerJay :

 

[KerriBoy]

Very cool.

 

[FluffyGalore]

Totally agree with OP, no matter how small or big a cam girl you are you will be posted on the net eventually. Apparently im on PornHub which ive still not been able to find yet lol.

Since being back on MFC I am only doing pvts and my public chat is still being recorded haha, it must be soooo horny watching me lying about on cam talking 100% shit mmmm sexy.

I think as long as you are aware that images and vids will appear on the net and you are prepared for it then you should be able to deal with the fall out should it happen.

 

[FreeAudreyHorne]

I've been camming for about two weeks, tops, and every single one of my shows have already been capped and archived. Even the boring ones. Even the one last night where I just talked about how my BFFs cat took a major diarrhea shit all over my hallway's walls.

The Internet is Liam Neeson and we are all the various kidnappers in Taken 1-3: they WILL find you. And try to sell your diarrhea rant.

 

[Misono]

I just got recognised by a cam girl whilst buying coffee. With work colleagues. In a town I only occasionally visit...

 

[rex]

Let's meet Bob.

Hi, I'm Bob. (Hi Bob!) I was horny so I went to www.fictitiouspornhost.com to rub one out. I see a video of a really hot girl playing with herself - looks like into a webcam! She did things I didn't even knew existed ! Wow - if I wanted to see more of this girl, where would I go ? Hmm, doesn't say in the film or the description Oh, but in the comments - the model herself has posted a link (with the referral code) to where she can be found , and even included a flirty invitation for me to join her there! Oh joy of joys, I will now get to meet and interact with this incredible babe of my dreams ! I will click the link, become a member and give her too many tokens! I'm a happy Bob, and the model I saw on www.ficticiouspornhost.com is happy because her post led to me having an opportunity to make money.

Bye Bob!

While I am not arguing that someone shouldn't post your pics/vids wherever, they are going to, and it is a given. Since we know that this is going to happen, instead of letting it get you upset, show them where they can see you live, and who knows you may make money off them.

In fact, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that some models have posted their stuff themselves under a pseudonym and of course including the link. Maybe you will even do it.

Keep in mind that people can look at pictures and watch movies, but no one can recreate the experience of a live interaction with a model (at least not yet). Having a model respond to something you just said - for example , you can't ask a video "Sharpie in pooper?" and get a response. You can't tell a video a joke and have it laugh at what you said.

I think maybe it helps sometimes to look at things from a different perspective.

There have been several girls through out the years where this has been the case for me.

 

[Who]

I've read the bulk of the statements and comments. My only thought is, if you are new and not sure change your appearance, wigs, make-up fake scars, fake tattoos etc .

Once you've decided this is the career for you, become a celebrity, Paris Hilton only had a lazy eye and a very rich grandfather, she's made millions on her own by marketing herself. The Cam industry is only the tip of the iceberg , Look for new trends, be an innovator and be proud of who you are and what you do.

 

[LaineyLushXo]

I've got 2 kids and 1 on the way. I hope to raise them robot be judgemental of what anyone, including me, does/did for a job or fun for that matter. To me it's the same as hearing stories about the crazy drug filled orgies going on in the 60s, except now they have easy ways to record it and put it online.

 

[bawksy]

Facial recognition service becomes a weapon against Russian porn actresses


http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...omes-a-weapon-against-russian-porn-actresses/

 

[jonhcutem]

Hi,

When i decided to be a cam model i was fully aware of this possibility. Not maybe, but YES MY SHOWS WILL BE RECORDED.
I'm fine with that, the areas of interest are blocked (i know it is easily to bypass but come on, not everybody does that just because...).
I work mainly on streamate and sometines i have done shows on chaturbate (and on CB i never had more of 25 user watching lol) but still when i inserted my username on google. BAM. two links to ALL my videos on CB. I was like.. 'holy fuck! what the hell?' [yes, being full aware of this possibility, i was still surprised].. and ... the good thing is, you click on the link but it gives an error, so they don't see immediately a face. And if you explore the website, you see that to watch the videos you need to pay a monthly fee and that was the last drop for me. I do show public show for people to tip, i do not record videos... So i emailed CB and they replied immediately. Let's see if the links are gone within 30 days.. On thing i found funny was the DMCA logo, a lot of videos on those website had the DMCA logo on the screenshot.. apparently it doesn't mean nothing...

About the other personal things, thanks to this forum i was prepared to use an amazon whislist, i use a false name and my adress is not fully present (it only shows 'street' nothing much).
Another thing that i have done was to create a different world just for cam modeling. Different email, different name, different life story,...
I know that some people are like 'i dont tell that or this' but for me, i don't mind lol. I created a life story just for this and i know that some clients are interested in that.

About the facial recognition thingy, hmmmm..... if it works 100% i will use on everybody i know, so...

Oh, and about people recognizing me, I'm a man, and having the hability to grow a beard overnight is a plus for this job because i have two completely different faces, one with beard and one without beard. Besides, i sometimes have long hair or short air due to being lazy to have an haircut...

Summarizing this, people need to search extremely well to find about my cam modeling side.

 

[AmberCutie]

amazon whislist, i use a false name and my adress is not fully present (it only shows 'street' nothing much).

Make sure to still use a PO or UPS box, because at some point a member WILL see the full address that your items ship to. You'd rather that be a remote box than your front doorstep.

 

[jonhcutem]

Make sure to still use a PO or UPS box, because at some point a member WILL see the full address that your items ship to. You'd rather that be a remote box than your front doorstep.

I see.
A plus about the adress is that it goes to a dead end and the mailman knows to which correct adress it is to delivery . lucky me.
A fan can go see the correct adress and see the abandoned house.. heheh

 

[CrazyCatLady]

I see.
A plus about the adress is that it goes to a dead end and the mailman knows to which correct adress it is to delivery . lucky me.
A fan can go see the correct adress and see the abandoned house.. heheh

And then sit in their car at the dead end and wait for you to leave your house.

If someone is going through the trouble of finding out where you live they will definitely go through the trouble of going up and down the street until they find your house.

 

[Nikola Tesla]

I'm a man, and having the ability to grow a beard overnight is a plus

Awesome. I'm sure you are just exaggerating but wouldn't that be something to wake up to and see in the mirror?

 

[Aaronjones56]

This is a very interesting topic and I agree with you 100%. But..who cares? There's many celebrities who have had nudes or sex tapes released and they end up find. I don't think family members would make a hard effort to locate anything anyway.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

This is a very interesting topic and I agree with you 100%. But..who cares? There's many celebrities who have had nudes or sex tapes released and they end up find. I don't think family members would make a hard effort to locate anything anyway.

Just a good practice on forums is to use that little reply (or quote) button in the corner of a post you want to reply to. The Quote will add it to a queue so you can quote more than one post at the same time. You can even highlight text in a post to see a little quote/reply appear to reply to 'parts' of a post.

That helps avoid confusion like in this case. You see, you've replied in a thread that has 358 postings in it (359 now with mine) spanning nearly 6 years now. So people have no idea what you're referring to, or who you're responding to without using those options.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

This is a very interesting topic and I agree with you 100%. But..who cares? There's many celebrities who have had nudes or sex tapes released and they end up find. I don't think family members would make a hard effort to locate anything anyway.

There are many reasons you should "care" If someone finds out your real name. In this day and age it's not hard to locate someone's address with simply their name. This is why camgirls should always take precautions...

Luckily I had a crazy ex before I was a camgirl...so I was already living off the grid and taking those precautions

 

[Aaronjones56]

And then sit in their car at the dead end and wait for you to leave your house.

If someone is going through the trouble of finding out where you live they will definitely go through the trouble of going up and down the street until they find your house.

Yup sorry. I'm new here.