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I've always been one to enjoy stand-up comedy acts that involve a bit of stereotypical humor, especially when they're poking fun at themselves. I've said this a million times now, but if more people could laugh a little at stuff like racial/stereotypical/homosexual jokes instead of getting so immediately defensive, the world could be a happier place. And as bawksy mentioned, being too PC is annoying, too.
That being said, the actual hateful racism and actual hate against homosexuality needs to stop. I agree with what Luna said above as far as how to deal with the light/heavy comments on a case by case basis. Some light joking is funny and tolerable but beyond that we have to act rather quickly as to not let other participants in our chat get offended. (If participants in my chat get offended at the light and witty joking that even I laugh at, then we probably wouldn't get along anyway and maybe it is best they leave anyhow.)
That being said, the actual hateful racism and actual hate against homosexuality needs to stop. I agree with what Luna said above as far as how to deal with the light/heavy comments on a case by case basis. Some light joking is funny and tolerable but beyond that we have to act rather quickly as to not let other participants in our chat get offended. (If participants in my chat get offended at the light and witty joking that even I laugh at, then we probably wouldn't get along anyway and maybe it is best they leave anyhow.)
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And Moldova is where Orly Taitz comes from.BCamden said:
Talk about fodder for ethnic humor. lol
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Yeah I know, I was going to explain that and deleted it because it just became overly complicated.
I know some really awesome Moldavian models btw
and great ones from Bucharest, and Hungary...even if they all hate each other's region :lol:
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I get so depressed by all the pure hate at work towards people just because they are different. I keep trying to explain how a gay man having sex with another gay man or even getting married does nothing to harm heterosexuals. They usually look guilty and admit I am right, but before the week is out I hear the usually divorced man telling someone how the gays are destroying the sanctity of marriage. I do not know if I will ever decrease the hatred in my little corner of the world, but I try to make things better for other people when I can.
I just wanted to further comment on my line earlier... I mean having to call people "Hispanic American" or "African American" in order to not frakkin' hurt peoples feelings. I am WHITE, and don't want to be called Caucasian or some other PC term for it, I wish we didn't have to feel so damn uncomfortable calling someone Black. FFS, we are all Americans and shouldn't have to put that word in everything to remind everyone of it and sugar-coat things. :twocents-mytwocents:AmberCutie said:
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*checks map* I'm in Canada, which makes me Canadian. I'm not American thankyouverymuch. :naughty:
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I had a total WTF moment when I heard there was an African American Veteran's Day parade in Chicago today.
I guess you're an anglo-american, depending where your ancestors came from, possibly a frankish-american, pictish-american, celtic-american....etc. I'd be an anglo-pictish-celtic-teutonic-american, if I wasn't an australian.AmberCutie said:
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Here's something great I found on graphjam one day:
^ Sums up the truth.
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Of course, Thanksgiving was the topic and Amber was talking about poultry!
This is just a reminder about context. As Amber, Jup, and others have said, sometimes we need to lighten up and be less PC. And remember that there is a difference between mild humor and actual racism. The "PC" derived "hyphenates" really drive me batty. If you were to describe me from a genealogy perspective, I would be a Spanish-Mexican-German-Swedish-American. Fuck that! Self described, I am a Texican or Texan (tongue planted firmly in cheek!) Guys, we're all Americans! In the US, anyway. Sorry about the rest of you... :-D
Back to the topic. I was on another forum sometime back, and there was a username "Free_Can", and he kept dropping subtle hints that his name had to do with "African" or "African-American". When he was pressed, he claimed to be black, and that he was making fun of the PC label that was thrust upon him without his say so. Who knows if he was trolling, or just making fun of something that should be made fun of. Again, context. Who knows, maybe the same situation apply to the member "Knee_Grow", who knows? Before anybody makes any snap judgments, again we need to determine the context. Not every situation is black or white. Oops, should I have said "African-American or Caucasian"?
For situations that really appear derogatory, I have personally seen Amber deal with it. Some times with a little humor, sometimes more directly...all the time quickly. Once a member name "BigBlackCock4U" tipped her, and she responded "Thanks, big" and left it like that. Other times when the member name was really objectionable, she'd say something like "thanks, but I won't respond to your request or talk to you until you change your name". In all cases, no big fuss was made, everyone got the point, and the chat moved on. I'm glad to see here that the model posters here seem to agree with that: deal with it quickly and move on. The more attention they are given, the more power they have.
Of course, Thanksgiving was the topic and Amber was talking about poultry!
This is just a reminder about context. As Amber, Jup, and others have said, sometimes we need to lighten up and be less PC. And remember that there is a difference between mild humor and actual racism. The "PC" derived "hyphenates" really drive me batty. If you were to describe me from a genealogy perspective, I would be a Spanish-Mexican-German-Swedish-American. Fuck that! Self described, I am a Texican or Texan (tongue planted firmly in cheek!) Guys, we're all Americans! In the US, anyway. Sorry about the rest of you... :-D
Back to the topic. I was on another forum sometime back, and there was a username "Free_Can", and he kept dropping subtle hints that his name had to do with "African" or "African-American". When he was pressed, he claimed to be black, and that he was making fun of the PC label that was thrust upon him without his say so. Who knows if he was trolling, or just making fun of something that should be made fun of. Again, context. Who knows, maybe the same situation apply to the member "Knee_Grow", who knows? Before anybody makes any snap judgments, again we need to determine the context. Not every situation is black or white. Oops, should I have said "African-American or Caucasian"?
For situations that really appear derogatory, I have personally seen Amber deal with it. Some times with a little humor, sometimes more directly...all the time quickly. Once a member name "BigBlackCock4U" tipped her, and she responded "Thanks, big" and left it like that. Other times when the member name was really objectionable, she'd say something like "thanks, but I won't respond to your request or talk to you until you change your name". In all cases, no big fuss was made, everyone got the point, and the chat moved on. I'm glad to see here that the model posters here seem to agree with that: deal with it quickly and move on. The more attention they are given, the more power they have.
I loves me some white people talking about racism lol
To the OP - Stahz I'd think you'd try to deal with it quickly and quietly. Like most other stupid shit some people say in your room, they want attention and by making a fuss you are giving it to them. And since it is your room you have to figure out where that line is between lol offensive and :rage offensive.
My opinion on PC - I think the whole PC thing was fucking stupid from the start. Because if I was Indian(feather not dot) and you called me Native-American I'd kick you in the balls and say my peeps were here before you fucking called this America. So yeah not a fan of hyphenated American anything. Oh and Amber was talking about the US's PC crap, if you call black people in Canada African-Americans how the fuck does that make any sense? Wouldn't that be African-Canadians? Either way, still dumb lol
As far as the words of racism - Those words are given power by those that choose to give them power. I'm white so if you called me a nigger I'd look at you and say "wut?" even tho I know a white nigger is what most people call trailer trash. If there was a black person standing beside me, they would prolly get offended, even tho it was not said to them directly and might say or do something. I have been called many many things, I know, hard to believe, and its very rare that I ever react to them. Because I am not giving the person saying those words the power to control me in the least little bit.
The hate of racism - This one baffles me. I can not understand why people would hate entire races of people for no other reason than they are that race. If I don't like you its not because of the color of your skin, what god you pray to, what sex you enjoy being with or even what sports team you like, its because you have said or did something to or around me that made me put you in the Wutadickhead column end of story.
In the end I'm white so WTF do I know about racism? Its kinda hard for me to say "Lighten up Francis" if someone is spewing nothing but hate to the person beside me just because it doesn't pertain or effect me. I might tell you to STFU cause I don't wanna hear your voice anymore, but you could be spouting poetry and I'd still not want to hear it.
To the OP - Stahz I'd think you'd try to deal with it quickly and quietly. Like most other stupid shit some people say in your room, they want attention and by making a fuss you are giving it to them. And since it is your room you have to figure out where that line is between lol offensive and :rage offensive.
My opinion on PC - I think the whole PC thing was fucking stupid from the start. Because if I was Indian(feather not dot) and you called me Native-American I'd kick you in the balls and say my peeps were here before you fucking called this America. So yeah not a fan of hyphenated American anything. Oh and Amber was talking about the US's PC crap, if you call black people in Canada African-Americans how the fuck does that make any sense? Wouldn't that be African-Canadians? Either way, still dumb lol
As far as the words of racism - Those words are given power by those that choose to give them power. I'm white so if you called me a nigger I'd look at you and say "wut?" even tho I know a white nigger is what most people call trailer trash. If there was a black person standing beside me, they would prolly get offended, even tho it was not said to them directly and might say or do something. I have been called many many things, I know, hard to believe, and its very rare that I ever react to them. Because I am not giving the person saying those words the power to control me in the least little bit.
The hate of racism - This one baffles me. I can not understand why people would hate entire races of people for no other reason than they are that race. If I don't like you its not because of the color of your skin, what god you pray to, what sex you enjoy being with or even what sports team you like, its because you have said or did something to or around me that made me put you in the Wutadickhead column end of story.
In the end I'm white so WTF do I know about racism? Its kinda hard for me to say "Lighten up Francis" if someone is spewing nothing but hate to the person beside me just because it doesn't pertain or effect me. I might tell you to STFU cause I don't wanna hear your voice anymore, but you could be spouting poetry and I'd still not want to hear it.
That's racist lol. White people are subject to racism at times, and besides suggesting we can't even talk about it or have an opinion on it because of our skin colour is itself, racist.Neudiin said:
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At other times she's also said she's "only ever done big ones" and is on record expressing a preference for interracial pornography.
Draw what conclusions you will :dontknow:
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Lol, reminds me of my first roommate. I described her as a "tall black girl". I got told the proper term was "African-American". I explained that my roommate was from Cameroon, and not American at all, and was told that it didn't matter. My roommate found it offensive to be called an African-American, because it implied that she was American.
Cameroon is in Africa. In Africa, there are both white and black people. So, was I supposed to call her, an "African-African"? And what do you call white Africans?
Saying that all black people are "African Americans" implies that all people from Africa are black. Which is false, and more racist than just calling them "black".
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How is that racist? The definition is below, splain it to me.
rac·ist [rey-sist] - noun
1. a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.
rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] - noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
And I didn't suggest anything, that is your prejudice coming into play.
one of my favorie models drops the N bomb on a regular basis, it always kind of bothers me but not enough to stop watching her.
i dont thinks shes racist either, but still, id avoid using that word...
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The direction of this thread is making me lol a bit. My absolute best friend in the whole world is black. If she ever heard me say African-American she'd probably smack me and tell me to get my head out of my ass. She's your stereotypical black girl and is proud of it. I don't understand why we can't just call each other by the color of our skin. Black, white, peach, tan...They're just colors. *shrug* True racism pisses me off though, but poking fun at stereotypes lightheartedly is a different thing.
I don't understand why we can't just call each other by the color of our skin. Black, white, peach, tan...They're just colors. *shrug* True racism pisses me off though, but poking fun at stereotypes lightheartedly is a different thing.
It's interesting there seems to be such distinct lines here. I have seen quite a bit of "ethnic euro camgirl bashing" here from models as well as a few guys. Like in real life, it depends on the company I guess as to the acceptability of it. Perhaps its me but I chalk it up to 'market competition' more than anything else.
As for the "Romanian Gypsy bashing".... Unless you actually take the time to TALK to a Rommie and allow yourself to be educated, you will never understand why they feel as they do. The gypsy term/lifestyle is not even close to the romanticized and glorified harmless image of a pretty "belly dancing girl" so many US people have. There are a few well educated Rommies that belong to this forum and might help you if its something you really want to know....
What I have accepted is that everyone everywhere. of every color, is racist to some degree.. In someones eyes, whether its not using some politically correct terminology of the moment or just laughing at the wrong joke, someone will be offended and toss the racist card. And heaven forbid we should be called hypocritical.... I say get over yourself and use some common sense and plain old manners because your halo isn't that shiny.
Wheres all the NON 'European-American / Caucasoid / Melanin-Challenged' folks on this forum when youd like some discussion ? :-D
As for the "Romanian Gypsy bashing".... Unless you actually take the time to TALK to a Rommie and allow yourself to be educated, you will never understand why they feel as they do. The gypsy term/lifestyle is not even close to the romanticized and glorified harmless image of a pretty "belly dancing girl" so many US people have. There are a few well educated Rommies that belong to this forum and might help you if its something you really want to know....
What I have accepted is that everyone everywhere. of every color, is racist to some degree.. In someones eyes, whether its not using some politically correct terminology of the moment or just laughing at the wrong joke, someone will be offended and toss the racist card. And heaven forbid we should be called hypocritical.... I say get over yourself and use some common sense and plain old manners because your halo isn't that shiny.
Wheres all the NON 'European-American / Caucasoid / Melanin-Challenged' folks on this forum when youd like some discussion ? :-D
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A while back I was on Streamate minding my own business, and some idiot with anger issues came in and said:
"Sellout" is the last word he/she was trying to say. I know, because they returned with a different name, and continued to talk shit. Both times that they did it, they quickly posted and left the room immediately before I could respond. Typical.....
"Sellout" is the last word he/she was trying to say. I know, because they returned with a different name, and continued to talk shit. Both times that they did it, they quickly posted and left the room immediately before I could respond. Typical.....
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blackxrose said:My absolute best friend in the whole world is black. If she ever heard me say African-American she'd probably smack me and tell me to get my head out of my ass. She's your stereotypical black girl and is proud of it.
Yeah, just call me Black.
PLEASE don't call me 'colored' or 'negro' (WTF is this...the 1960s? LOL), or any of the nasty racist terms. 'Black woman' is fine with me. :thumbleft:
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I think I know who you're talking about. On another forum someone spoke about a MFC model dropping the 'n' bomb all the time in her room. Her name's been mentioned often in the "Who's your favorite MFC model?" threads on here.
And if it's true, I'm curious if she'd say that to a Black person's face. LOL.
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FUCK! I'm sorry that you had a boss like that.
YAY! for being your own boss though! :thumbleft:
There is a model i think is a lot of fun and very cool looking, but after she talked about the Aryan Brotherhood and showed her swastika she had painted on her wall, i decided not to watch her anymore. When one race is touted as being the "best" one (for whatever reason), i won't stick around. i certainly would NEVER tolerate it in my cam room.
i'm from California, and was raised and went to school in an environment that was very open and tolerant of every race, religion, and sexual orientation. i've dated many races, and my parents never batted an eye. The only thing that mattered to them was that their daughter was being treated well, and that assessment never had to do with race.
When M and i moved to Las Vegas, we were shocked at the level of racism we encountered. i think because we are obviously white (damn you, tanning!!), racist people assume we agree with them and we have had many people say derogatory things about other races in front of us. We've been shown "white power" tattoos and have heard the N word used many times - even by an old roommate. Each time we expressed our dislike and shock, and that lead to a quick back-pedaling. i am so disappointed and saddened that things haven't progressed as much as i thought they had.
i'm from California, and was raised and went to school in an environment that was very open and tolerant of every race, religion, and sexual orientation. i've dated many races, and my parents never batted an eye. The only thing that mattered to them was that their daughter was being treated well, and that assessment never had to do with race.
When M and i moved to Las Vegas, we were shocked at the level of racism we encountered. i think because we are obviously white (damn you, tanning!!), racist people assume we agree with them and we have had many people say derogatory things about other races in front of us. We've been shown "white power" tattoos and have heard the N word used many times - even by an old roommate. Each time we expressed our dislike and shock, and that lead to a quick back-pedaling. i am so disappointed and saddened that things haven't progressed as much as i thought they had.
Honestly, there are many different things going on in this thread. Is it confined to MFC or now just in general?
The racism I observe is aimed at the Asian homepage models - hence where the "humour" element comes into it. I must admit, I don't think I've observed racism towards any other ethnicity.
But just as bad, as mentioned by SoTx and something that irritates me greatly, is the "humour" exhibited in a similar manner towards women from Eastern Europe. You can't really call it racism, but I don't know the word for it :? There is one, but discrimination, bigotry...? This part is almost exclusively by the US males, and I don't know why. I'm sure it is not limited to them, just they're the predominant membership on the site when I'm there I guess
It seems to be generally accepted/acceptable behaviour within the lounge. I find it abhorrent, but that is probably just because of my upbringing.
I just find it sad and tragic that belittling others is a form of entertainment - it is the reason I avoid the lounge.
For all the PC stuff, honestly, I wouldn't have ever noticed it...
The racism I observe is aimed at the Asian homepage models - hence where the "humour" element comes into it. I must admit, I don't think I've observed racism towards any other ethnicity.
But just as bad, as mentioned by SoTx and something that irritates me greatly, is the "humour" exhibited in a similar manner towards women from Eastern Europe. You can't really call it racism, but I don't know the word for it :? There is one, but discrimination, bigotry...? This part is almost exclusively by the US males, and I don't know why. I'm sure it is not limited to them, just they're the predominant membership on the site when I'm there I guess
It seems to be generally accepted/acceptable behaviour within the lounge. I find it abhorrent, but that is probably just because of my upbringing.
I just find it sad and tragic that belittling others is a form of entertainment - it is the reason I avoid the lounge.
For all the PC stuff, honestly, I wouldn't have ever noticed it...
I think the word to describe what Zoomer is referencing is "stereotyping". The "teep me bb" type stuff. Making comments on the way lots of EE girls say that is similar to jokes about Asians driving bad or being good at math. Certainly not ALL members of that ethnicity fall into the category, and It's really more like a no harm, no foul deal. But some people are more sensitive about it than others. Seems Zoomer has identified that he is sensitive about it and chooses to avoid the lounge due to it. That's a much better way to handle it than those who jump to the defense constantly. 
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