Question with c2c

[calculablespace]

Hello, I am a regular user of chaturbate and I don't intend to broadcast. If I do c2c with a broadcaster on the site, do I have to be age verified? I can't seem to find this info on the site. The model told me that I don't need to but they need to because they earn tokens.

Anyone can confirm this?

 

[Slapstick]

Not unless they have changed things recently, buying tokens with a credit card used to be all the age verification CB needed for C2C or to broadcast as an "exhibitionist". The easiest way to check is to click the "Start C2C" button and see what happens. If you need to upload an ID the site will tell you.

 

[darthro]

The only thing needed for C2C is at least 1 token in your account. No need to be age verified like a model

 

[calculablespace]

Not unless they have changed things recently, buying tokens with a credit card used to be all the age verification CB needed for C2C or to broadcast as an "exhibitionist". The easiest way to check is to click the "Start C2C" button and see what happens. If you need to upload an ID the site will tell you.

Things may have changed because I just got banned for doing c2c

The only thing needed for C2C is at least 1 token in your account. No need to be age verified like a model

I thought so too but they banned me and said something like zero tolerance towards underage !? and i'm clearly not. Now they asked me to upload my photo ID for age verification. This is so **** up because i like c2c (have only done it 2 days) but I don't wanna upload my ID. I don't have the intention to broadcast and earn tokens. I feel like they are deceiving users.

 

[Slapstick]

I thought so too but they banned me and said something like zero tolerance towards underage !?

CB has started using AI for age verification, so I suspect the AI triggered it. I recently visited a state that required age verification to even view the site, but all I had to do was take a selfie and the AI was able to determine that I'm an old fart. If CB required age verification for C2C you would have been required to do that before starting a C2C, not be banned during. So I suspect someone/something decided you looked too young mid-show.

 

[EmilEmil]

This is ridiculous. I've been a cb user for 3 years. Even if someone reported, cb should have given us the option to verify before imposing this ban.

 

[MaLiNka__]

This is ridiculous. I've been a cb user for 3 years. Even if someone reported, cb should have given us the option to verify before imposing this ban.

Read this section, it is filled with posts about the unfairness of Chaturbate blocking. They don't care at all about how they should act (transparency and fairness of decisions).

 

[Vixxen81]

There are currently 8,640 broadcasters on public pages as of this moment. Tell me how many staff members CB should have on hand in order to keep eyes on all the rooms/c2c, private messages, private shows, password shows, and content moderation at any given time? Because in order to monitor that amount of activity you would need at least 1,000 employees on site or remote working to keep a human eye on all activity at all times.

By the way, human moderation is extremely biased and moderators often develop extreme dislikes or outright hatred for a user on a forum/broadcast site. I was a community manager [paid] for many years and despite even my best efforts there were users I disliked more than other people and would go out of my way to be vague or unhelpful in order to drive their participation down. BUT, It was a community of about 2000 people, not hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. Who by the way, email support over the most asinine things that don't need to be emailed about.

So yes AI exists to help stay compliant with and hear me again for the 1000 time about this FEDERAL LAWS. These are not suggestions, they are not rules that can be ignored, they have to enforced. Will that apply unilaterally? Of course not. That's impossible. I reported a room today for broadcasting in public, it may take two days to get it looked into a taken care of...I'm fine with that. As long as Chaturbate shows it is doing its level best to moderate the site for forbidden content, the little fish are going to be the ones that get nuked.

Now it may have changed that you do have to ager verify to c2c and you should, in my opinion. You're broadcasting on an adult site. You should be age verified.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

Things may have changed because I just got banned for doing c2c

I thought so too but they banned me and said something like zero tolerance towards underage !? and i'm clearly not. Now they asked me to upload my photo ID for age verification. This is so **** up because i like c2c (have only done it 2 days) but I don't wanna upload my ID. I don't have the intention to broadcast and earn tokens. I feel like they are deceiving users.

You don't upload ID proving you are a legal adult, you can't show yourself on an adult site, it's pretty simple really and there is nothing unfair about it

 

[bamdicted]

There are currently 8,640 broadcasters on public pages as of this moment.

You might add that at any point of time there is around 300.000 users watching streams, and that during a week 100.000 different broadcasters stream on chaturbate.

 

[calculablespace]

The thing is they need to be transparent about it. For example, for broadcaster, they say you need to upload ID to verify your age to earn tokens. That's fine. Do the same for users, if some functions e.g. c2c need age verification. Say it so they know. Don't just say buy tokens then do c2c. Then got banned and say need to do age verification. That's deceptive. Now i'm even scared to buy tokens because I may be banned for whatever reasons.

 

[bamdicted]

I believe they did change the conditions for doing c2c, I never saw this pop up when clicking the 'cam to cam' button before.

If you read it carefully it does say that you should be age verified. (my interpretation, note point 7 and 8)

 

[MaLiNka__]

There are currently 8,640 broadcasters on public pages as of this moment. Tell me how many staff members CB should have on hand in order to keep eyes on all the rooms/c2c, private messages, private shows, password shows, and content moderation at any given time? Because in order to monitor that amount of activity you would need at least 1,000 employees on site or remote working to keep a human eye on all activity at all times.

By the way, human moderation is extremely biased and moderators often develop extreme dislikes or outright hatred for a user on a forum/broadcast site. I was a community manager [paid] for many years and despite even my best efforts there were users I disliked more than other people and would go out of my way to be vague or unhelpful in order to drive their participation down. BUT, It was a community of about 2000 people, not hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. Who by the way, email support over the most asinine things that don't need to be emailed about.

So yes AI exists to help stay compliant with and hear me again for the 1000 time about this FEDERAL LAWS. These are not suggestions, they are not rules that can be ignored, they have to enforced. Will that apply unilaterally? Of course not. That's impossible. I reported a room today for broadcasting in public, it may take two days to get it looked into a taken care of...I'm fine with that. As long as Chaturbate shows it is doing its level best to moderate the site for forbidden content, the little fish are going to be the ones that get nuked.

Now it may have changed that you do have to ager verify to c2c and you should, in my opinion. You're broadcasting on an adult site. You should be age verified.

I am not against the federal law, Artificial Intelligence (after all, it was designed to simplify work), but apparently it still needs the right settings.

In order to prevent personal animosity from taking over, there must be clear rules (and instructions) that are applied in case of disputes. If there is a violation, such as broadcasting on the street, sanctions must be applied, which are clearly spelled out. That is, if I consciously or unconsciously commit this violation, I must open the contract and understand what awaits me, a warning or a complete block.

But I have the impression that Chaturbate does not check many situations, but blindly trusts artificial intelligence.
WHICH HAPPENED IN MY CASE!
I'm not the only one, by the way.

What the author was talking about is that there were no instructions on age verification before c2c. And in general there is no need for this.
P USERS SHOULD NOT BE LEFT TO GUESS whether this is logical or not. If there is a need to upload documents (age verification) before c2c, say so before starting it!
N The only condition was to buy tokens!

 

[MaLiNka__]

I believe they did change the conditions for doing c2c, I never saw this pop up when clicking the 'cam to cam' button before.

If you read it carefully it does say that you should be age verified. (my interpretation, note point 7 and 8)

View attachment 101793

Do you see this when you click on c2c? This is what I see as the model moving to the broadcast page. This is normal for the model, since all these rules are the basis.
But pay attention to the last point...
Personal discretion, or a way to cover up the personal dislike of one of the employees? Do you have the right to challenge this? If it was a mistake? The right to report to the authorities that if someone "thought" that you violated (for example, that you look younger), but in fact you are over 18, for example 23.
This clause means that you can get a bad mark from the relevant authorities without any evidence and without the right to challenge it. Also kept silent is a very important point that your assets will be confiscated if someone believes that you have violated, but this will not be true.

 

[bamdicted]

Do you see this when you click on c2c?

I got it both on my age verified account and on my secondary account.

 

[bamdicted]

Do you see this when you click on c2c? This is what I see as the model moving to the broadcast page. This is normal for the model, since all these rules are the basis.

On a second attempt it did not appear, but when I tried on another device it reappeared

But pay attention to the last point...

Personal discretion, or a way to cover up the personal dislike of one of the employees? Do you have the right to challenge this? If it was a mistake? The right to report to the authorities that if someone "thought" that you violated (for example, that you look younger), but in fact you are over 18, for example 23.
This clause means that you can get a bad mark from the relevant authorities without any evidence and without the right to challenge it. Also kept silent is a very important point that your assets will be confiscated if someone believes that you have violated, but this will not be true.

We can discuss rules and conduct of Chaturbate all we want; how strict they are, how vague they are, how faulty and arbitrary AI can be in identifying rule breaking.

Bottomline is that Chaturbate is a private company that sets the rules for using the platform they provide, just like Facebook, X, Instagram etc. If we want to use the platform we have to comply to their rules. We don't know what kind of pressure CB is getting from pay processors and certain recently victorious parts of American society. They are doing what they feel is necessary to protect their business...and the business of 100.000s of broadcasters on their platform.

 

[MaLiNka__]

I got it both on my age verified account and on my secondary account.

Looks like I was right when I said that age verification was being rolled out to all participants a few weeks ago. But I was assured that it was only for some states or something like that.

I suspect that in the future, even if you don't open your camera as a model or as a user (c2c), you will be required to pass age verification. But before that happens, so that it works properly, many users will be blocked due to some sections not matching. (In one department the changes were added, the other department did not have time to adjust it correctly).

According to some open sources, the company's employees mostly work remotely, which further complicates communications between them.

So you will have a situation where one department gives you instructions and another department blocks you from following them and tells you that you have broken the rules and blocks your account.

A clear example is the recent story of a girl who added another person's paxum payment method, it turned out to be blocked for chaturbate. She was given instructions to change her payment details, but the links did not work. And she couldn't do it on her own. After which she was blocked and told that she was a malicious violator because she gave access to her account to another person, but in fact she followed the instructions that Chaturbate gave her.
As a result, Chaturbate confiscated her funds and she was ignored.
It seems like these were different people who did not read each other's messages.

 

[MaLiNka__]

On a second attempt it did not appear, but when I tried on another device it reappeared


We can discuss rules and conduct of Chaturbate all we want; how strict they are, how vague they are, how faulty and arbitrary AI can be in identifying rule breaking.

Bottomline is that Chaturbate is a private company that sets the rules for using the platform they provide, just like Facebook, X, Instagram etc. If we want to use the platform we have to comply to their rules. We don't know what kind of pressure CB is getting from pay processors and certain recently victorious parts of American society. They are doing what they feel is necessary to protect their business...and the business of 100.000s of broadcasters on their platform.

I have nothing against Chaturbate writing rules according to the laws, it's normal or I would even say that it should be so!
But I always say that it should be clear so that you don't break the rules. So that general rules are not interpreted differently in each case.
Protecting your business is fine, but it takes a long time to comply with the same laws. Because if the difference between "strict rules" and a "unilateral agreement" that gives the company everything and you get no rights, If Chaturbate decides that you looked at the camera in some way, they will take everything from you, without any explanation. Does this sound like strict rules? I don't think so.

So if there is a need to add verification for everyone, let them do it. I also don't think kids should have access to this, although chaturbate isn't the only site, so...
But when the responsibility of the company is shifted onto your shoulders, like you have to be a psychic and know that the person who came into your room is actually a child, And you must let us know about it so that we can block it. Well, excuse me here... I have no idea who is really sitting on the other side of the monitor.

Or when a user who visited you was caught cheating (either real or false), you get a notification about it, but not for the purpose of you being able to beware of it. And as for the meaning, it's bad, and if we find any evidence that you are in any way connected to this, we will block you... Damn it, I'm not a psychic! And I don't care what this person does when he's not in my room.
I also do not intend to make any false reports against people. And if people actually got on the site while under 18, is that my problem? Or has Chaturbate not done enough to stop that from happening?

 

[calculablespace]

I am not against the federal law, Artificial Intelligence (after all, it was designed to simplify work), but apparently it still needs the right settings.

In order to prevent personal animosity from taking over, there must be clear rules (and instructions) that are applied in case of disputes. If there is a violation, such as broadcasting on the street, sanctions must be applied, which are clearly spelled out. That is, if I consciously or unconsciously commit this violation, I must open the contract and understand what awaits me, a warning or a complete block.

But I have the impression that Chaturbate does not check many situations, but blindly trusts artificial intelligence.
WHICH HAPPENED IN MY CASE!
I'm not the only one, by the way.

What the author was talking about is that there were no instructions on age verification before c2c. And in general there is no need for this.
P USERS SHOULD NOT BE LEFT TO GUESS whether this is logical or not. If there is a need to upload documents (age verification) before c2c, say so before starting it!
N The only condition was to buy tokens!

The last part is exactly what I was trying to say. When click on c2c, they can just say you need to upload ur doc to verify ur age before using this feature. Why banned my account and tell me to do it after?

 

[MaLiNka__]

The last part is exactly what I was trying to say. When click on c2c, they can just say you need to upload ur doc to verify ur age before using this feature. Why banned my account and tell me to do it after?

I'm saying the same thing! For example, if you are a model, you cannot open the broadcast until you upload the document and they check it (this is a common practice).
Why if users suddenly had this need for c2c, they didn't make a popup like "if you want to continue, you need to confirm your age". Below are the instructions and a button to upload or take a photo of the document.
Moreover, there was no need for this before. And no one lays out Tarot cards to know what's going on in the mind of the Chaturbate support service.

 

[cexmental]

I have a couple of older grey accounts that have both transmitted and have uploaded content. Back then you did not need to buy tokens or be age verified. When the c2c feature appeared, I remember a message stating you needed to be age verified to receive tokens. Then later, that messaged added you needed to be age verified to broadcast. More recently, the longer message that was posted a few replies up. From as much as I am aware, that warning message has appeared in one form or another since the c2c feature was implemented.

I can not find anything specific in the CB TOS that states you *must* be age verified to c2c. However, many of the other streaming rules could be referenced for this situation. Keep in mind that all users of the site are governed by the TOS. More importantly, item 8 of the c2c agreement clearly states that "You agree that only age verified broadcasters associated with this room may broadcast in this room." As you are the one actively clicking the c2c button, that makes you the required age verifed broadcaster who is broadcasting from your room.

Cheers,
Cexmental

 

[punker barbie]

Things may have changed because I just got banned for doing c2c

I thought so too but they banned me and said something like zero tolerance towards underage !? and i'm clearly not. Now they asked me to upload my photo ID for age verification. This is so **** up because i like c2c (have only done it 2 days) but I don't wanna upload my ID. I don't have the intention to broadcast and earn tokens. I feel like they are deceiving users.

I have confirmed that the support team has responded to your inquiry. Ticket #20424185

 

[calculablespace]

I have a couple of older grey accounts that have both transmitted and have uploaded content. Back then you did not need to buy tokens or be age verified. When the c2c feature appeared, I remember a message stating you needed to be age verified to receive tokens. Then later, that messaged added you needed to be age verified to broadcast. More recently, the longer message that was posted a few replies up. From as much as I am aware, that warning message has appeared in one form or another since the c2c feature was implemented.

I can not find anything specific in the CB TOS that states you *must* be age verified to c2c. However, many of the other streaming rules could be referenced for this situation. Keep in mind that all users of the site are governed by the TOS. More importantly, item 8 of the c2c agreement clearly states that "You agree that only age verified broadcasters associated with this room may broadcast in this room." As you are the one actively clicking the c2c button, that makes you the required age verifed broadcaster who is broadcasting from your room.

Cheers,
Cexmental

I read point 8 now after you mention it. Funny that tiny little text. I still feel like its better for them to ask users to upload ID to verify age before using c2c. Realistically how many people (in their horny mood) will actually read all those tiny texts? It's not that hard to be transparent. For example, if you want to upload videos or social media on your profile, they say you need to be age-verified to do it. Do the same for all features that require age verification.

 

[MaLiNka__]

I have a couple of older grey accounts that have both transmitted and have uploaded content. Back then you did not need to buy tokens or be age verified. When the c2c feature appeared, I remember a message stating you needed to be age verified to receive tokens. Then later, that messaged added you needed to be age verified to broadcast. More recently, the longer message that was posted a few replies up. From as much as I am aware, that warning message has appeared in one form or another since the c2c feature was implemented.

I can not find anything specific in the CB TOS that states you *must* be age verified to c2c. However, many of the other streaming rules could be referenced for this situation. Keep in mind that all users of the site are governed by the TOS. More importantly, item 8 of the c2c agreement clearly states that "You agree that only age verified broadcasters associated with this room may broadcast in this room." As you are the one actively clicking the c2c button, that makes you the required age verifed broadcaster who is broadcasting from your room.

Cheers,
Cexmental

That's the thing, the broadcaster and the user have different meanings. I would look for the exact names in TOS, but I'm too lazy. Also c2c is not exactly what models do.
It's just that if you click the "Broadcast" button, you won't be able to do it until you pass the identity check. But in case of c2c you can do it. The question is not whether everyone should be screened or not, but rather to require it before you start broadcasting, like you would if you were a model.

 

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[EmilEmil]

There may not be employees who can inspect of these. So maybe they have to use "artificial intelligence" and that's why artificial intelligence can detect some words and report them automatically.

 

[cbhours]

But I have the impression that Chaturbate does not check many situations, but blindly trusts artificial intelligence.

There's no way they have the resources to follow up on every AI report manually either not within a reasonable time frame. There are a bunch of laws and penalties in place for various events and they often have time limits. For example that other thread involving NCMEC, you think CB wants to waste their time? Of course not but they are going to do what they can to prevent that million dollar penalty (I might be off a little on the amount but it's something insane like that).

I don't know how CB does their follow ups but I highly doubt every auto ban is followed up with automatically without a support request being put in. Think about how much time that would waste. All these trolls triggering the auto ban with their clear violations I certainly wouldn't waste resources investigating a gray account that the AI flagged.

I assume with the c2c feature the ability to do so is active for everyone that buys tokens (never tried it myself) and if AI detects you as too young then you have to submit ID. That seems fine to me and very reasonable, why would you want to require ID from everyone when you can only require from some?

 

[MaLiNka__]

There's no way they have the resources to follow up on every AI report manually either not within a reasonable time frame. There are a bunch of laws and penalties in place for various events and they often have time limits. For example that other thread involving NCMEC, you think CB wants to waste their time? Of course not but they are going to do what they can to prevent that million dollar penalty (I might be off a little on the amount but it's something insane like that).

I don't know how CB does their follow ups but I highly doubt every auto ban is followed up with automatically without a support request being put in. Think about how much time that would waste. All these trolls triggering the auto ban with their clear violations I certainly wouldn't waste resources investigating a gray account that the AI flagged.

I assume with the c2c feature the ability to do so is active for everyone that buys tokens (never tried it myself) and if AI detects you as too young then you have to submit ID. That seems fine to me and very reasonable, why would you want to require ID from everyone when you can only require from some?

I will repeat once again that I am not against the use of artificial intelligence or anything like that! And that is fine, it was created to simplify the task for people, but

If you get blocked and your funds CONFISCATED, it should be verified and not blindly trusted by AI! What I'm talking about is that they don't double check when you say it's a mistake!!! They say our program determined this and we believe it, but we don’t believe you, you’re lying! This is what I mean when I talk about manual checking.

As for c2c, the thing is that I wasn't offered to pass an age verification, as far as I understand, the account was immediately blocked...
(Author, correct me if I'm wrong)

 

[MaLiNka__]

There may not be employees who can inspect of these. So maybe they have to use "artificial intelligence" and that's why artificial intelligence can detect some words and report them automatically.

It's already happening, but you don't know which words exactly you can't use. It is set up in such a way that there is no text analysis. (Content, meaning).
For example, I almost always use a translator for longer sentences, and it selects the words it considers more correct. I'm often unaware that one of these words has a double meaning or something like that.

But the problem is not in using the program (AI), and that the employees blindly trust her, although she often makes mistakes. It seems to me that they updated or added something quite recently (maybe before it worked well, and it was ok to rely on it because the test mode was completed a long time ago), And they continue to work according to the same scheme, why bother?
But at the same time, when something goes wrong, Chaturbate pretends that everything works fine for them, instead of calling out the error and fixing it. But later, they don't know how to apologize.

I guess it's in the rules. I mean, if we made a mistake you can claim more than $250 in compensation, (find the exact text, it's at the end of the tos

 

[EmilEmil]

It's already happening, but you don't know which words exactly you can't use. It is set up in such a way that there is no text analysis. (Content, meaning).
For example, I almost always use a translator for longer sentences, and it selects the words it considers more correct. I'm often unaware that one of these words has a double meaning or something like that.

But the problem is not in using the program (AI), and that the employees blindly trust her, although she often makes mistakes. It seems to me that they updated or added something quite recently (maybe before it worked well, and it was ok to rely on it because the test mode was completed a long time ago), And they continue to work according to the same scheme, why bother?
But at the same time, when something goes wrong, Chaturbate pretends that everything works fine for them, instead of calling out the error and fixing it. But later, they don't know how to apologize.

I guess it's in the rules. I mean, if we made a mistake you can claim more than $250 in compensation, (find the exact text, it's at the end of the tos

I don't know exactly, but one of my friends said that chaturbate login is automatically directed to a login panel like facial recognition age verification. According to USA TEXAS laws, there is an age restriction and verification is required. CB main office is written as California. Perhaps such laws may exist in California. If they're trying new somethings, we will all know soon.