privates videos for sale?!

[xander77]

It is not the first time that some members of mfc try to sell their privates shows with models.
some have sent me pms asking if i was interested in buying these videos and some of my friends who are on the same mfc happened.
That's bad for the model because he did shows and private members are enjoying what they have in the archives to earn more tokens ...

I've sent an email to mfc now let's see the reaction

 

[Mirra]

*shrug*

I reckon I cannot judge them too much. While I would never sell or otherwise share any of the privates I've done, I do have a copy of each of them saved to my computer just incase since MFC basically says "We cannot guarantee these will always be there." in one place or another.

 

[xander77]

yes.. you recorde videos screen...
now sell is other thing win money with private shows of models you see.. is very bad...

 

[NinjaMike42]

How do you know that the models didn't get the member's permission to sell said videos?

I mean, I know that wouldn't happen in all cases, but it certainly happens often enough.

 

[camiliasilf]

hell sell the vids and use some to get tokens to give to me... problem solved lol

 

[LadyLuna]

Anyone who reads my profile should be able to see (it might have gotten lost in one of the edits though)

"I don't mind if you record it for private use. I would appreciate a copy of any recording you have, as I want to see what I look like. If you decide to sell it, please use half the money to buy tokens and tip me. Then I'll get at least a quarter of what you got, and half of what you end up with "

 

[AmberCutie]

hell sell the vids and use some to get tokens to give to me... problem solved lol

Hah, no kidding!

 

[Jebbaz]

I have people offer me videos all the time, I just wont accept something I didn't pay for, feels like I'm cheating the model.

 

[nzhere]

MFC videos in the Private archives have a myfreecams.com watermark over them on playback

I've blanked out the models face


sample below

 

[nzhere]

How do you know that the models didn't get the member's permission to sell said videos?

I mean, I know that wouldn't happen in all cases, but it certainly happens often enough.

Models don't own their MFC video. MFC does

 

[placid_rob]

MFC videos in the Private archives have a myfreecams.com watermark over them on playback

I hate to break it to you mate but almost all 'streaming video rippers' will take it right from the source.. the watermark on MFC archive is absolutely useless.

Thing is, the technology exists and it's fairly simple to render these 'rippers' useless yet MFC have failed to implement any security! Pretty shameful considering how much money they must be raking in.

I did a bit of research for a model friend of mine in to these pirated webcam forums/blogs (mostly MFC models) and found quite a few results under her name. The people that run these websites are scum if you as me, the way they refer to models makes me sick.

If any models are worried about their private sessions out there for these scum to share and want the links I found just PM me, I'm not gonna post them here for obvious reasons.

 

[AmberCutie]

Thing is, the technology exists and it's fairly simple to render these 'rippers' useless yet MFC have failed to implement any security! Pretty shameful considering how much money they must be raking in.

Maybe since they are raking it in so well, they don't feel it's worth their time or effort to implement it. Everyone says that they're in it for the money and don't care about the models (even though by paying me such a high percentage I feel cared about) so it's the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" motto, maybe.

 

[EveCates]

I have found quite a few of my shows on those stupid tube sites and it pisses me off to no end. If you send them a message saying it was uploaded without permission they will usually remove it asap. I even found one person recording me in free chat and trying to sell webcam shows of previous videos of me.

 

[placid_rob]

Amber I agree with you, however you have to understand some models may not want their videos distrubuted worldwide. I know its part and parcel of the profession, and there's nothing wrong with camming. But webcam models grow up, have children, who could potentially get bullied etc. Or change their mind for any reason, people make mistakes.

Surely models should have the right to have the shows to be secure as possible and hard to pirate (I know you will never stop it completely). It's so simple, just a few lines of code to make it so most of these streaming media rippers don't work. MFC wouldn't have to change any video, infact I'd be willing to point them in the right direction if they wanted, which they probably don't cos it's all publicity right?

By the way models i'm sure you already know this but if you see a video of you on another site not affiliated with MFC or its partners you can request for it to be taken down with a 'DMCA Notice'. However once the video is out there it will most likely reappear somewhere else.

 

[NinjaMike42]

How do you know that the models didn't get the member's permission to sell said videos?

I mean, I know that wouldn't happen in all cases, but it certainly happens often enough.

Models don't own their MFC video. MFC does

*Facepalm* I mis-read the original post. Thought he was talking models selling videos of privates they did.

 

[AmberCutie]

Amber I agree with you, however you have to understand some models may not want their videos distrubuted worldwide. I know its part and parcel of the profession, and there's nothing wrong with camming. But webcam models grow up, have children, who could potentially get bullied etc. Or change their mind for any reason, people make mistakes.

Surely models should have the right to have the shows to be secure as possible and hard to pirate (I know you will never stop it completely). It's so simple, just a few lines of code to make it so most of these streaming media rippers don't work. MFC wouldn't have to change any video, infact I'd be willing to point them in the right direction if they wanted, which they probably don't cos it's all publicity right?

By the way models i'm sure you already know this but if you see a video of you on another site not affiliated with MFC or its partners you can request for it to be taken down with a 'DMCA Notice'. However once the video is out there it will most likely reappear somewhere else.

I certainly wasn't arguing that, rob. I was just saying that MFC probably doesn't really care all that much in the first place. But that's just a guess, who knows how they feel about it.

Regarding DMCA notices, we've briefly discussed that on other threads here, but here's a snippet from one:

As a side note: any and all content broadcasted over MFC is owned by MFC and not us, the models. The contract clearly states that any and all content may or may not be used anywhere MFC deems fit, including, and not limited to, MFC selling the content to other sites without reimbursing or notifying the model. That being said, legally, sites do not have to obey a DMCA request from models (or their members) as the models are not the copyright holder of the content in question and you could possibly get in trouble for impersonating the copyright holder. For all we know, MFC could have given the site in question explicit permission to use any of MFC's content as they see fit. It's good to keep this in mind if/when you find a site with images/videos of yourself and try to take action to get it removed.

Asking nicely might work, though.

And an enlightening post that discusses the reality of being a cam girl: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1123&hilit=face

Those are both very slightly off topic, but figured I'd reply anyway.

 

[nzhere]

I'm not sure if things were changed but it use to be that MFC video streams were not secure. Using certain software a member could join a groupshow or PVT then exit and the software would continue recording until the group or PVT (spy) had completed without using any tokens. Ending up with a full recording of the group or pvt.

I hope no model just had a heart attack reading that!


Not really surprising that so much content from MFC appears on sites.

There is "Screen capping" using some software to record an area of the screen. Not a lot can be done to stop this other than putting a logo or other identifying mark over top. This will not stop it but makes it easier to identify and have removed when posted on other sites.

Then there is "Stream ripping" where the direct video stream on MFC video server is connected to in some way using certain software. Creating a perfect video file of the models content. I would hope that MFC has fixed this "issue" by now.

 

[FifthElephant]

Thing is, the technology exists and it's fairly simple to render these 'rippers' useless yet MFC have failed to implement any security! Pretty shameful considering how much money they must be raking in.

Maybe since they are raking it in so well, they don't feel it's worth their time or effort to implement it. Everyone says that they're in it for the money and don't care about the models (even though by paying me such a high percentage I feel cared about) so it's the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" motto, maybe.

There is a cost.
Tighter control of 'rights' means that some people can't watch the site anymore.
For example, going to flash 10 only would break one of the platforms I occasionally watch MFC on, as there is no flash 10, only 9.
Or going to silverlight would mean I couldn't use it on any computer I own.

Also.
Does it matter?

Unless you feel what goes on in a private was truly private, and you would never consider repeating that 'show' for others, does your video appearing on random sites affect you?

Neglecting the people that put logos on their video - which slightly changes the case - you're not - personally likely to lose or gain any money by someone watching a pirate video.

The choice isn't between them watching your private on pirateMFCtube or spying on your private on MFC.
It's between watching your video on pirateMFCtube, watching some other girl on that site, or wandering round the internet looking for free porn.

Only people that visit MFC can potentially click on your room, so in some ways any pirated content anywhere that mentions myfreecams from any model lets people find you.

Then there is the other issue of value-added by breaking the terms and conditions of MFC.

Others in this thread have raised the issue that MFC basically says 'We might keep archives of your videos that you can access later, if we feel like it'. I'm somewhat more likely to go private or group, if I know that it actually is being recorded locally, and if MFC dies the video doesn't go away.

(I have so far spent 10 tokens in private or group, so this isn't really a big issue )

 

[Mirra]

yes.. you recorde videos screen...
now sell is other thing win money with private shows of models you see.. is very bad...

I actually didn't record any of my privates. I pulled the video from my browser's temp internet files, renamed it, and now I have a .flv for all but one or two of the privates I've ever done.

MFC videos in the Private archives have a myfreecams.com watermark over them on playback

I've blanked out the models face


sample below

I have looked through all the private videos I'd saved from the archive and noticed there was no MFC logo on them. I just went and loaded up one of my recent privates that I had not saved yet and again pulled the video from my temp folder, renamed it from .tmp to .flv and there's no logo. I am pretty certain the logo is part of the archive player and not the actual video.

For anyone who cares, I save these files by letting them load completely using Firefox then I use a utility known as hobocopy that utilizes Windows' Volume Shadow Copy service to copy the .tmp file from c:\Users\MyUserName\AppData\Local\Temp (Vista/Seven) while it's in use to an MFC folder I have.

I've attached a screenshot as proof just because. I have the archive and my flv paused at 13 seconds (before any of the fun starts). Hopefully this is ok with MissWhooty as the featured model but if not, I'll remove the image.

P.S. Yes I do talk to myself to test emoticons.

 

[LadyLuna]

The choice isn't between them watching your private on pirateMFCtube or spying on your private on MFC.
It's between watching your video on pirateMFCtube, watching some other girl on that site, or wandering round the internet looking for free porn.

Well said, and very true, for the most part.

 

[AmberCutie]

The choice isn't between them watching your private on pirateMFCtube or spying on your private on MFC.
It's between watching your video on pirateMFCtube, watching some other girl on that site, or wandering round the internet looking for free porn.

Well said, and very true, for the most part.

Yep.

Only people that visit MFC can potentially click on your room, so in some ways any pirated content anywhere that mentions myfreecams from any model lets people find you.

And that too.

When it comes down to it, these pirated videos are found around the web by people who are already unlikely to spend money watching you in a live private show. If they are searching the free porn/video sites, they aren't your target demographic anyway.

Aside from models thinking it's taking $ away from them, the other concern they always have is being found. Models may block their state/region on MFC so people they know IRL can't see them on MFC... but if their content is on other parts of the web they can't "protect" themselves. This is a more reasonable argument, but then of course I'd send them to the "Reality Check" thread to remind them of some basics of the Internet.

 

[Jebbaz]

Well said Amber, well said.